Putting the Trooper Story to Rest
by Mark Noonan on August 30th, 2008 at 01:29pm
Flopping Aces has the details. Short version:
A creep of a State Trooper got himself into trouble long before Palin even ran for governor - the creep of a State Trooper’s boss, a Palin appointee, was canned for various reasons and then came out with the story that he was fired because of pressure placed on him by Palin to fire the State Trooper. The story is being pushed by the person Palin beat in order to become governor.
Big non-story. Have at it, liberals…you’ll only look like fools when all is said and done.
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August 30th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
There is a $100,000 investigation that will get to the bottom of this. On the surface it appears her former brother in law is a bastard.
Where the article goes wrong is the thought this issue is the decider. Our complaint is the fact we believe John McCain panicked and used poor judgment in making a gimmick pick on one who is not qualified and lacks the judgment and foreign relations experience to be one heart beat away from the Presidency. We hope she goes away like Harriet Miers until she has more time on the national stage. Wouldn’t Hutchinson or Rice be a better pick if this is about getting women to like McCain?
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August 30th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Timestar: I think Obama is rethinking his choice as VP. Biden, the doof. Palin will wipe the floor with Biden’s tongue. Check out the video of your VP pick on hotair.com. Hilarious!
August 30th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
….making a gimmick pick on one who is not qualified and lacks the judgment and foreign relations experience to be one heart beat away from the Presidency.
Yet the Democrats have no problem with making a gimmick pick on one who is not qualified and lacks the judgement and foreign relation experience to be THE heartbeat of the Presidency.
How do you square that?
August 30th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Timestar,
If Palin is too inexperienced to be VP, then Obama is too inexperienced to be President. You liberals are burying yourself further each time you try to make out that Palin is an inappropriate choice. Learn from Hillary - she stated her disagreements but graciously complimented her and McCain.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
“She never directly asked me to fire him,” Monegan said.
But he said Todd Palin told him Wooten “shouldn’t be a trooper.”
OMG! What a travesty!
Look, Libs, Palin welcomes the investigation. Bring it on.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Of course, it’s not quite so simple. But by all means, pretend that it is.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
4. Mark Noonan | August 30th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
You don’t get it yet. What you are witnessing happens but once or twice in a lifetime. What is occurring is akin to Lincoln, Roosevelt or Kennedy. History showed each with little experience at the beginning of their rise, but each was gifted with sound judgement and the ability to communicate directly with the human spirit. Obama may be no Lincoln or Kennedy yet, but he is in their mold.
A crowd of 100+ in Germany and 70+ in Denver had to unnerve McCain to the point of making the Palin gimmicky pick. Although I disagree with about everything she stands for, she seems like a nice lady; but not in a million years could she command the attention Obama has received in such a short time. To even try to compare her strengths and weakness to Obama’s is juvenile. If it were not for McCain’s age a similar strength and weakness comparison with Obama would be just as juvenile.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
OMG factcheck, you are comparing an article written based actual interviews and documented facts to an article written based on 1 phone call and a biased opinion. Sorry but that is a little less than convincing and reeks of desperation on your part.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
WTF?????
>>>>panicked and used poor judgment in making a gimmick pick on one who is not qualified and lacks the judgment and foreign relations experience to be one heart beat away from the Presidency.>>>>
YOU MORONS are running a freeking community activist with 140 days in the US Senate, hillary only 2 years in the senate
BUT
McCains VICE presidential pick a SITTING govonor is not qualified?????
the IRONIE of IRONIES
BWWWWWWAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA
ROTFLMAO WAY WAY WAY to FUNNY
keep pushing that message PLEEEAAASE
August 30th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Mark
What i really love is if McCain wins, that will give a 99% probability of we Republicans being the first to have an elected female President.
Ill bet the wicked witches pant suit is on the floor in a heap.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Mark,
You have a problem on your hands.
You are in the awkward postion of claiming Palin has the necessary experience to lead while also claiming Obama lacks such experience.
This woman was, by her own admission, a hockey mom at the start of the Bush Administration. Her experience amount to two years as governor in a sparesly populated state.
Obama’s tenure in the Senate makes him more experienced with regard to national security issues. Furthermore, he was a prominent state senator in a a densely populated state with a diverse economy.
To say one is experienced while the other is not is a leap.
Your attempt to distinguish the fact Obama is running as President as oppose to Vice President is also problematic. The only real purpose of the Vice President is to take over as President. Therefore the person’s qualifications should reflect those you desire in a President. You and McCain have clearly indicated national security is a priority. Yet Palin has no experience in this field or shaping foriegn policy.
The distinction is all the more meaningless given McCain’s adavanced age. Assuming McCain goes for two terms, the likelihood of Palin taking his office is pretty good. Thus, the need to have a nominee well versed on national and foreign issues is all the more pressing.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Perhaps this will score better with you, Nevada Pundit? It’s even written by a conservative!
I’m guessing it won’t score better with you, though, because it’s not the messenger that bothers you, it’s the actual content. You don’t like this story, so you find comfort in careless dismissal rather than investigation. Such is the way of the pundit, I suppose.
The continuation of a GOP pattern is interesting, though: Employee fired for failing to be a reliable yes-man for the executive. Hmmm….
August 30th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Mark
“If Palin is too inexperienced to be VP, then Obama is too inexperienced to be President.”
Then the reverse is true. If you accept Palin as experienced enough, then you should also accept Obama as being experienced enough (and please don’t bring up the management thing, nineteen months of running a national presidential campaign is at least equal to twenty months running Alaska). From here on out, anytime you claim Obama isn’t experienced enough, you are being a hypocrite.
As for the topic of this thread, I’m sure the good people of Alaska will be thrilled to know you have saved them $100,000 to investigate this.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Casper,
Palin is the VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE…its ok for the Veep to have less experience than the President…kinda makes sense, doesn’t it? You’re problem is that Obama has LESS experience than both his VP and McCain’s VP…I know that the Donk talking point on this is to try and take Obama’s lack of experience off the table, but it won’t happen…Had Obama been the VP selection, you’d be in the clear…but you went and put this zero on the top of the ticket.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Timestar,
For certain you’ve got yourself a person with no experience and mere celebrity status…and that might, in the end, carry him to the White House…but on our side, we’re still going to go with solid military, legislative and executive experience. Obama is the Clown Prince of American politics…
August 30th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Mark,
“Palin is the VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE…its ok for the Veep to have less experience than the President…kinda makes sense, doesn’t it”
No it doesn’t. I don’t want a president or vice president who can’t handle the job. McCain or Obama could have a heart attack or a an accident two weeks after taking office and then we have four years of Palin or Biden. However, I guess if you want to be a hypocrite, keep pushing it.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Obama is the Clown Prince of American politics…. Mark Noonan | August 30th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Funny you should say that; pretty much what they said about Lincoln.
August 30th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Hey factcheck, did you actually read the article? Her is the very first line “This first appeared on Andrew Halcro’s blog. This is reprinted in its entirety with permission from Andrew Halcro.” You know him, he is the guy that LOST to Palin in the governors race. I’m sure a blog by him is bound to be unbaised and filled with all the facts. Hopefully you can come up with something better than this because this is truly pitiful.
August 30th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Hopefully you can come up with something better than this
I’m guessing it won’t score better with you, though, because it’s not the messenger that bothers you, it’s the actual content. You don’t like this story, so you find comfort in careless dismissal rather than investigation. Such is the way of the pundit, I suppose.
August 30th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Well, I suppose Palin does have executive experience… but if serving half a term as Governor of a small state is what it takes to be Vice President, then she is one of 50 governors. Is she the most qualified of those 50 to step up to the White House? Not hardly. Even if you limit yourself to the 22 Republican governors (1 of whom, Arnold Schwarzenegger, is ineligible to be President), is she the most qualified? Nope. She is not, as you rightwingers tacitly admit by changing the subject to Obama all the time. And let’s not forget that there are probably a couple of hundred ex-Governors McCain could have picked.
If all it takes is being a Mayor… there are over 50,000 sitting mayors and hundreds of thousands of ex-mayors, not to mention almost that many City Managers and the like… so, once again, let me pose the question: is she the most qualified of all those possibilities? LOL, no!! And let’s not forget the millions who have served in other city and county offices… including former county commissioner Joe Biden.
She reminds me of a certain Clarence Thomas… Yes, she does fit a certain demographic profile and she has a certain set of political views and she actually does meet the minimum qualifications for the job… but she just barely meets them. (Mentioning Clarence Thomas, I should mention that he actually GOT the job he was just barely qualified for and is in fact still sitting on the Supreme Court.)
August 30th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
ok factcheck, try this on for size. You seem to follow the belief that she fired the guy because of her sister and not because of a disagreement over the budget since he said that the budget was stretched to thin as it was. Did it occur to you at all that maybe she didn’t like the way he was managing the money? That maybe Palin or her advisors thought that more could have been done with what he did have? That he was a bad manager and would have been suited better somewhere else such as alcohol enforcement (which is where she did offer him a job).
Government is business. It has a budget, employees, an agenda and goals, and stock holders (the voters). Budget restraints happen all the time within companies for various reasons. It is up to the mangers to make it work or, and here is the big part, they get fired (or moved). Palin gave Monegan tasks, some of which were to raise recruitment efforts, clamp down on bootlegging, and to do it within the specified budget. He couldn’t do it so she fired him, the same as would have happened to anyone else in this kind of situation.
Now is this exactly what happened? Based on the facts I have read I think so but I don’t know for sure. You know what factcheck? You don’t know either. So what I am going to do is look at the facts and not someone’s opinion of them and do the best I can with that. If you want to have a solid argument I suggest you do the same because both articles you quoted were onesided biased opinions. Try the facts, these would include things such as police transcripts and phone logs, you know….facts.
Also, please don’t accuse me of doing something wrong when you are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of.
August 30th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
You may be right Timothy but then what makes Obama MORE qualified than Palin? Don’t shoot yourself in the foot here.
August 30th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
What makes Obama more qualified? 14 years in publicx office, best selling author, amazing speaker, editor of Harvard Law Review. It’s not really about qualifications… I am voting for Obama because he would be a better President than McCain. And Biden is infinitely more qualified than Palin. He even has about the same amount of experience as a local official as Palin does, having served on the county elevl back home in Delaware as a younger man.
The main problem with Palin for me is her views, more than her blatant mediocrity. I am not voting for her in 2008 and I would not vote for her in 2024 even if she served some more time as Governor, and then moved on to the Senate.
August 30th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
I won’t debate you on weither Biden is more qualifid that Palin, while I disagree with Biden on almost every issue he probably would be effective as would McCain.
Best selling author, amazing speaker, editor of Harvard Law Review means absolutley nothing to me as far as POTUS goes. Palin has 4 years in a legislative position and 5 years in an executive position so Obama is ahead of her to many years in terms of service, however, 5 yrs of Palin’s service is much more closely related to the job at hand. As party tickets go they are pretty even if combined.
You seem very well spoken and have obviously put a lot of thought into what you believe, which is more than a lot of people do. Though I believe differently I respect your right to believe as you do but please let’s stop blasting her on experience level when your team can’t come up with a better record. This is now, more than ever, an election of Policy……but that is a different story.
August 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Here in Fantasyland, anybody McCain picked would receive rave reviews as Palin is in this and other threads. In the rational world, people are beginning to research the question of whether or not she will be qualified to become President of the United States in less that 150 days. As bright and promising as she is, I don’t see how she clears that bar. And that is bad for McCain.
The first question it raises is about the quality of his judgment. How much is he willing to gamble and under what circumstances? The second question concerns the integrity of his campaign. After establishing experience as an imperative and savaging Obama as “not ready,” he selects a running mate that presidential historians are already calling the least experienced in modern history. While you measure the White House for drapes, the serious work of vetting this lady will go on.
August 30th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Nevada Pundit: You seem to follow the belief that she fired the guy because of her sister and not because of a disagreement over the budget since he said that the budget was stretched to thin as it was. Did it occur to you at all that maybe she didn’t like the way he was managing the money?
That’s a very good question. The problem is, IT IS A QUESTION. If the investigation finds Palin culpable, then McCain all but certainly handed the election to the Dems with this pick. Are you really comfortable with that? Doesn’t that strike you as a bit reckless? What’s his exit strategy?
Supposedly, the findings are supposed to be made public in the first couple of days before the election. If Palin is exonerated I wonder if it would have more than a neutral effect. However, if she’s found culpable there’s no time to compose a plan B. McCain has definitely gone all in on this bet — and with a pretty weak card. The Palin pick not only significantly weakens his “experience” argument, it also brings into question his judgment.
August 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
I find it appalling when the loyalists to this blog and the RNC put:
party loyalty before the safety and security of the country.
How dare you?
August 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
“There is a $100,000 investigation that will get to the bottom of this. On the surface it appears her former brother in law is a bastard.”
How can we expect you to support our troops when you don’t support our state troopers?
August 30th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Absolutely it is a gamble, however, even with the strides that McCain was making I still would have given the edge to Obama in an election. A gamble was called for. No other candidate out there would have charged the republican base as she has, plus she has aspects capabable of pulling in moderates and independents. The flip side of the coin is that she could fall flat on her face. Was it a gambele? Asbolutely. Did it need to be made? I’m thinking yes.
You are right, if she is exonerated it will only have a neutral effect because by the time the findings are released the vast majority of people will have already made up thier minds and the ones voting for McCain will have assumed her innocents.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
So tripleX and DanMann what you are saying is that no matter what a state trooper it is right by virtue of them being a state trooper and the law be damned? The guy stunned a kid, he threatened to make a person eat a bullet, he started bar room brawls and used his status as a trooper to harass people. In your book this is ok? The trooper was right and should have been defended for his actions because he was a trooper? This trooper represents what you believe to be the safety and security of the country? Please think about what you say before you say it.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Deleted - obscenity, commenter to be banned.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
But then, the ethics probe Embattled Palin is just one step away from the white house. We do not need someone who has not even been nothing more than a small time town mayor to be president. Serving as Governor for 1/2 term is even worse. At least Obama has been a Senator for a greater length of time. (I am still writing Hillarie’s name in on election day)
August 30th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Try the facts, these would include things such as police transcripts and phone logs, you know….facts.
“According to Trooper records, Sarah Palin said that in January and February of 2005, Wooten was drinking while driving. After investigating the complaint, the investigator found that Palin never actually saw what she reported.”
“In another complaint, Sarah’s father said that Wooten made threatening remarks. Again, the investigator found there was no probable way that it could have happened.”
“In all cases except one, the charges were ruled unfounded after an internal investigation. And the one charge that was valid, Wooten immediately admitted to.”
“But every time they filed a spurious complaint, the Troopers would bring in an Administrative Investigator who after seeing more than two dozen of these ridiculous and time consuming complaints stated that in all his years he had never seen such a shotgun pattern against one officer.”
“On April 23, 2008 in written testimony to the court, Palin denied ever making claims against Wooten, when in fact she had emailed a State Trooper Colonel in April of 2005 accusing Wooten of driving drunk.”
There’s a start for ya. Noticing a pattern here? Palin repeatedly lies in an effort to take down a trooper, and she repeatedly has her lies rebuked on the record–investigation reports, written court testimonies…you know…facts.
But again, you take comfort in casual dismissal. As partisan pundits do.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
ld,
That was totally uncalled for. You are the one who looks like an idiot now.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Since over half the people in the country had never heard of Palin, they are now being introduced her as someone who is going through an ethics investigation. After the last eight years, that’s not going to help. It doesn’t matter if she is guilty on not, a lot of people are going to turned off. That and the fact that politically she is somewhere between President Bush and Pat Buchnanan won’t help much outside of the base.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
hey factcheck, send me a link to those quotes. I would like to read them.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I would also like to add, its interesting that the republics have once again, got ethics problems on their hands. Maybe they should choose someone else for Vice President? Anyone would be better than someone under ethics investigation.
Then again, Obama maybe deported if the Lawsuit against him succeeds then maybe Hillary Clinton will run for President.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Id: If I am so “insufferably stupid”, how come I know the difference between ACCEPT and EXCEPT? Third grade grammar … I might add.
LOL! DOAH!
Thanks, Casper. :-)
August 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Serpentine: I am still writing Hillarie’s name in on election day
You might want to learn how to spell it between now and then.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Palin inspires hardcore neocons (21%)
Barak Obama inspires the American people.
Experienced or not Palin is more of the same neocon nonsense we’ve seen draggin this country down over the past 8 years.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
You know factcheck one thing both of us has done is drifted away from the real issue. Did Palin use her authority to fire Monagen because he didn’t fire Wooten. Some things to remember:
1. Monagen wasn’t in his position when the Wooten incidences occurred; in fact they occurred more than 2 years prior to the firing.
2. He was in his job for 18 months before being fired.
3. He had previously met with Palin over budget issues.
4. The firing came right after an audit.
5. He was in a position that did give Palin authority to fire him.
The reality is, unless the investigation can find a credible witness saying that Palin told them to put pressure on Monagen or face being fired, a paper is found stating the same, or she wrote it in her diary and happened to leave it somewhere the very best that the investigation can come up with is that the possibility may exist that he was fired over Wooten. Without actual physical proof to the contrary she won’t be found to be in the wrong because it is impossible to state with fact the intentions she had in her mind. As far as I have seen this proof hasn’t come to light.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Careful NIP, Obama hasn’t been about 50% in the polls which means at best he inspires a little under half the people.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
31. ld | August 30th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Mark - Please ban this “person”.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Nevada (as if we didn’t know this was Mark) Pundit-
Still he inspires more Americans than More Of The Same McCain and his beauty contestant side kick Palin.
Think Americans want a 10% chance for change? Looking at the polls I’d say not.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
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You have a problem on your hands.
You are in the awkward postion of claiming Palin has the necessary experience to lead while also claiming Obama lacks such experience.
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One would think you have a similar problem…
Claiming Palins lack of experiance for VP is an issue, while ignoring Obamas lack of experiance for Pres is interesting act of mental gymnastics.
August 30th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
LOL sorry nip it isn’t Mark though I have known him for 20 years and in such time have bounced numerous ideas off each other. As far as the 10% goes, you may want to look at your own candidates voting record…there really isn’t much there to indicate that he wants anything more than the same old democratic policies but if that is what you believe is the right path then more power to you.
August 30th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
45. LiberalNitemare | August 30th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Ok lets forget about experience for a sec and just look at what the american public predominately asking for.
McCain gives you a 10% chance for change being a supporter of Bush more than 90% of the time.
That’s less than 10% for a change.
Obama- Correct on the Iraq Invasion when it was politically unpopular, Correct on Afghanistan, A candidate who is NOT a conservative or neocon. I’d say thats REAL CHANGE.
August 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
NiP,
Nope, Nevada ain’t me - I’d go under Lord High Master of Nevada Pundit….
August 30th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
45. LiberalNitemare | August 30th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
“Claiming Palins lack of experiance for VP is an issue, while ignoring Obamas lack of experiance for Pres is interesting act of mental gymnastics.”
The problem, Nitemare, is that it was McCain that raised the experience issue and spent a lot of money doing it. I doubt that Obama will say much at all about her inexperience, although surrogates will say plenty. What Obama will rightly attack is the hypocrisy of saying that experience only counts for the other guy.
August 30th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Obama is #1 running on a platform of change, that he has never accomplished before, ever.
Palin is #2 running on a platform of reform, that she has accomplished before.
And Palin has executive experience. Obama does not.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Actually NIP your using some very skewed number, that is what happens when you let other people do your thinking for you. That 90% that you are using is based on all votes in the senate. Roughly 80% are routine votes that have a majority vote all the time. By using that same formula Obama has voted with the white house 81% of the time.
Here are some better numbers based on key issues where the candidate actually voted. McCain voted 74% of the time with the White House and Obama voted 27% of the time with the White House.
I’m not a huge Bush fan. I like many of his ideas, they are soundly conservative, but his implementation sucks. If McCain could change 26% of it I would be very happy with that as a conservative. As far as your comments on Iraq, I disagree. If McCain had his way and implemented the surge years prior while American support was still high and showed then the substantive gains that are only now starting to show up you might still feel the way you do but you would be in the minority.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Oh and for reference I used
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/
You have to do a little math to come up with the numbers but here it is if you want to double check me.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Despite the fact that she has executive experience and neither Obama or Biden do…let’s grant for a moment that she is not experienced to be President. If so, then neither is Obama.
The Presidency is no place for on the job training, but you libs want to elect the messiah because he has charisma, but no experience. Thanks but I’d rather have Palin in a VP spot learning the ropes and benefiting from her previous executive experience.
You may not like the pick but the choice of Palin has ignited the base. Watch the funds roll in to McCain. Everyone I have spoken to who was not excited about McCain is now super charged.
And you know that, be it 4 years from now or eight years from now, when McCain steps down, Palin will be the first female President of the USA.
Obama and Biden are toast. In November you will all be kicking yourselves for not nominating Hillary. I suppose some of you already are.
ROTFLMAO
August 30th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I agree neocon, the leadership she displayed during her tenure as Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, population 8471 was exceptional.
The 2 years as Govenor certainly gives her all the “executive experience” needed to deal with the likes of Putin and Medvedev if she is needed in a time of international crisis.
If that’s OK with you,
well, Hehehehe, you must believe that:
loyalty to the political party is more important than the safety and security of the U.S.A.
How pathetic.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Palin will be the first female President of the USA.
53. phnx | August 30th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
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And leader of the free world, phnx?
August 30th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
The Palin choice was an appeal to voters concerned with gender issues (Hillary’s supporters), those concerned about corruption (she has been a solid reformer in her state, fighting corruption on both sides of the isle), and those who are interested that the parties work TOGETHER for the good of the people (Palin drew from the ranks of Republicans, Independents and Democrats in her administration). Neither Biden not Obama have a good record dealing with these issues.
Leftists…don’t forget 27% of Hillary supporters say they will vote for McCain or stay home. That alone translates to an Obama loss.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
We have a couple of points of agreement Phnx. I think executive experience is overrated when it comes to the presidency (see Abraham Lincoln as an example), and I think Palin may well be president someday. There it ends.
Hillary would have been smoked if nominated and you guys know it. Her negatives approach 50% on day one, and the right wing smear machine has more than enough ammunition to destroy her. It is unfortunate for you that she was not nominated. Obama is a much tougher target, if for no other reason than his track record is not long.
What the presidency does require is a deep knowledge base on foreign and domestic issues, and the to ability communicate with and persuade people. Like it or not, Obama has given evidence that he has those qualities. Now it’s Palin’s turn, and I have seen no indication that hers is the sort of curiosity that would have her current on so many diverse issues.
Personally I now think this election will not be close and Palin will get to go home in a couple of months. She will then have years to work on her resume and may measure up some day, particularly if she gets elected to the senate and is exposed life beyond the very limited world of Alaska. I appreciate you and the base are energized and that is good for politics, but there are simply not enough of you.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
I appreciate you and the base are energized and that is good for politics, but there are simply not enough of you. - thrower
Despite the fact the the GOP has won 5 of the last seven POTUS elections and Clinton won in 92 with only 42% of the vote.
So your assertion is not exactly grounded in fact. Now I will also say that all the Democrats had to do this year was show up and breathe, and they still stand a good chance of blowing it.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Governor of Alaska can not be used as “Executive Experience” just as community organizer cant be used as evidence of “change”. Yes, its there, but you are kidding yourself if you think Alaska Governor comes close to US Senate experience. I would liken it to State senator of a popular and diverse state (ahem-IL).
And the issue isnt that shes too inexperienced and Obama isnt, its that McCain has said Obama is too inexperienced, and at best–AT BEST–shes even with him there.
You cant use an argument for 3 months then turn around because it suits you. That is pure hypocrisy and absurdity.
Now Im not making the argument that Obama is experienced enough, though I believe it personally. Thats not the issue. McCain using experience as a benchmark then picking palin of all people…..THATS the issue.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I agree with Catfish. Its true that Obama is inexperienced but McSame has hammered the experience title all over the place then lo and behold he chooses a inexperienced Governor with ethics problems. I call that two faced.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
deep knowledge base on foreign and domestic issues, and the to ability communicate with and persuade people.
Has he persuaded you yet that there are 58 states, not counting Alaska and Hawaii? Has he persuaded you yet the Iran is a tiny country that poses no threat?
Personally I now think this election will not be close and Palin will get to go home in a couple of months. She will then have years to work on her resume and may measure up some day, particularly if she gets elected to the senate and is exposed life beyond the very limited world of Alaska. I appreciate you and the base are energized and that is good for politics, but there are simply not enough of you.
I’m going to archive this paragraph and play it back on November 5th, thrower. If you are correct, I will eat a plate of well-deserved Crow. If not, I expect you to do the same.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Source: factcheck.org
* Obama actually said of Iran, Cuba and Venezuela: “These countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union” (emphasis ours).
* Likewise, he said those countries don’t pose a serious threat to the United States “the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us.”
* Obama has also said in speeches that Iran is Israel’s greatest threat, and a serious threat to the region, and he has discussed its sponsorship of terrorism.
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And if ur gonna talk about one time speech gaffes (a la 58 states), lets talk sunni/shia confusion (boy Im glad he has the experience to know the difference!!) and the iran training al qaeda comment which his boy Lieberman had to correct him on…………
August 31st, 2008 at 12:54 am
Speaking of lawsuits… How are those Biden Boys lawsuits coming along??? Oh, yeah… don’t think your hear the MSM report those cases.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:07 am
I’ll be here Spook and I’ll take it like a man if I’m wrong. I’m not archiving any of this drivel so I’ll count on your integrity and trust that you’ll post it in either case.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:43 am
Catfish,
Aren’t there numbers of both Suni AND Shia who hate us and want to kill us? You think it makes much difference what sect of Islam the guy sitting on the IED trigger is in?
But as to your factcheck post. OK, so the guy with the bazooka would kill us really dead. But the guy with pistol would only kill us dead? When speaking of nuclear weapons, you think 5000 is worse than 100? Well yah, theoretically. But not in practical terms.
Yet another militarily ignorant liberal. I’m sick of educating you. ONE nuclear weapon would kill more people than you have ever seen with your own eyes. How many people do you think you’ve ever seen? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? All dead. I can’t believe I have to say this, but they are real real bad.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:14 am
Catfish,
Say what you must about Earbama’s quotes about Iran, et.al. But let’s look at his integrity when dealing with a quote of McCain’s during the Saddleback meeting. You remember, the “5 million dollar” quote? It was clearly a joke, yet Earbama used it in his acceptance speech as if McCain were serious.
Your candidate is an idiot; however, that hasn’t disqualified many Donkaroaches from winning elections…
August 31st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Aren’t there numbers of both Suni AND Shia who hate us and want to kill us? You think it makes much difference what sect of Islam the guy sitting on the IED trigger is in?
So you’re proud of your own ignorance and the ignorance of your candidate, the alleged “foreign policy expert?”
Good to know. GOP ‘08: No Intelligence Required!
August 31st, 2008 at 9:41 pm
I didnt say anything about obama in my post. And yet everyone immediately attacks him. Dont tell me how terrible Obama is, just reconcile him making a big deal out of obamas inexperience, then picking Palin…….Dont even say the name obama in your response. Dont try to make the argument that she is the most qualified candidate because she clearly isnt, and youre insulting a lot of conservatives with long and storied track records and resumes.
Just tell me how you justify McCain picking someone with ZERO foreign policy experience, and a short resume after what he has said this election??
September 29th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
how to measure for drapes
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