The Palin Effect?
August 30th, 2008 at 01:51am Mark Noonan
Been seeing a lot of things like this over at NRO’s The Corner - we won’t know if its a general trend for a month or so, but its exactly what I expect from the Palin selection:
To: Kathryn Lopez
Subject: So Excited!K-Lo -
I am absolutely thrilled with McCain’s choice in Palin. Her conservative values, her reform efforts, the way she worked up from being in the PTA to a governor all show that she has what it takes. She is the commander of the Alaska National Guard. She is a mom, a member of the PTA, an athlete, has worked for a living in non-political jobs. She seems like one of us. She seems like one tough cookie, yet is still incredibly likable. That is something that Hillary could never pull off. I am so excited that I sent $500 to the McCain campaign today. I would send more, but I think that is all my budget can handle right now. I am happy he picked a woman. But, I am thrilled it is this woman!
GO McCAIN PALIN 2008!!!
I was visiting the Mother-in-Law on Saturday and while outside for a while another person just wandered up and offered a pro-McCain opinion…an elderly woman, delighted with McCain, delighted with Palin. Outside of Leftwing Kookdom, the selection of Palin is being greeted with enthusiasm…and all the leftwing slanders and smears being directed her way shows the fear she strikes in the hearts of Obamaniacs who see it all slipping away…the Obamessiah washed away by a flood of competance.
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, RNC08, Republicans
153 Comments
1. New Conservative | August 30th, 2008 at 1:56 am
Believe me people are thrilled with this pick. The more they get to know about her the happier they’ll be.
http://thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/
2. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 2:14 am
McCain camp raised $3 million TODAY.
3. thrower | August 30th, 2008 at 2:24 am
She makes a great first impression but she is going under a microscope in the next few weeks. She completely destroys the charge that Obama is unready, and you can expect the old attack ads on Obama’s inexperience to be thrown back at McCain.
Unless you are a 25 percenter on either side of the political spectrum who loves or hates Republicans no matter who they are, you are going to sit back over the next two months and imagine her as President of the United States. It is a job that has overmatched many bright, talented and experienced people.
She has to be able to stand on her own because if she is placed in that role, by definition McCain is not there to guide her. For rational thinking people who understand what a crushing responsibility that job entails, she will almost certainly fail that test. My guess is that this is a great career move for her as nobody ever lost anything being on the underside of a losing ticket. But is it a non-starter for McCain who is already too far on the wrong side of history to be saved even by this high risk-high reward gamble. And frankly Mark, I don’t think this move scares anybody other than people who bought the GOP mantra that experience was a must for the job.
4. Mark Noonan | August 30th, 2008 at 2:33 am
thrower,
And Obama makes a good impression as someone who people can trust to stand the strain of the White House? The absurdity of the left is well displayed in the concept that Palin’s inexperience relative to McCain means that Obama inexperience relative to Palin is set by the wayside…you guys try to fight it out on that issue and we GOPers will just laugh and laugh…just a we’re also chuckling at the prospect of Senator Barack Obama (D-Tony Rezko) and Senator Joseph Biden (D-MBNA) will be able to crack up the so-called Trooper scandal into something which will harm Palin and not backfire on the Democrats.
There is a stunning disconnect from reality here as we see you leftists attempt to denigrate an attractive, middle class mother of five who’s whole political persona is wrapped up in fighting the sort of corruption Obama and Biden are hip deep in…and far from taking the experience issue off the table, it actually puts it in stark relief as people start to compare the zero which is Obama with reality that is Palin…
5. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 3:06 am
There is absolutely no proof that Palin was involved in the firing. None. Do you actually believe McCain would choose her if there was any inkling of truth to the Soros smear? I don’t think so.
Me thinks the Alaskan native is a Soros plant.
6. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 3:10 am
Thrower: Please see my post #33 in Media Echoes thread. The “experience” talking point is null and void on your side as far as I am concerned. Sarah Palin’s experience/accomplishments far outweighThe One’s pathetic resume.
7. Faceplant | August 30th, 2008 at 3:13 am
“There is a stunning disconnect from reality here as we see you leftists attempt to denigrate an attractive, middle class mother of five who’s whole political persona is wrapped up in fighting the sort of corruption Obama and Biden are hip deep in…”
Isn’t it the Attorney General, and state legislature of Alaska who are attempting to “denigrate Palin”? Obama isn’t the one investigating her.
She denied that anyone in her office put pressure on Monegan to get Wooten fired, until she was forced to backtrack after one of her advisors was caught on tape trying to pressure monegan to get Wooten fired.
But, to you, that means nothing. You are such a hack. And not even a good one.
And by all means, bring up Rezko. It’s so weak it’s amazing you are even pushing it.
“and far from taking the experience issue off the table, it actually puts it in stark relief as people start to compare the zero which is Obama with reality that is Palin…”
You are horrible at spin Marky. Palin has AT THE MOST around the same amount of experience as Obama. Do you really think people are dumb enough to buy your spin?
8. Faceplant | August 30th, 2008 at 3:14 am
“Sarah Palin’s experience/accomplishments far outweighThe One’s pathetic resume”
Explain.
9. Faceplant | August 30th, 2008 at 3:16 am
“There is absolutely no proof that Palin was involved in the firing. None. Do you actually believe McCain would choose her if there was any inkling of truth to the Soros smear?”
So George Soros was involved in a grand conspiracy to implicate the unknown Governer of Alaska in an ethics scandal, on the off chance that she may be nominated for Vice President?
My GOD how unhinged can you people get!?
10. OpChaosUK | August 30th, 2008 at 3:23 am
She has to be able to stand on her own because if she is placed in that role, by definition McCain is not there to guide her.
News flash, dimwit–NO president has ever “stood on their own.” Earbama won’t, McCain won’t, nor would Plugs Biden or Palin, should they be forced to assume the office.
You can dream all you want about Earbama and his promise to unify this country; the only unity he’ll bring is the kooks he identifies with.
He’s another Jimmuh…
11. wallcrowe | August 30th, 2008 at 3:35 am
Is this seriously the best Republican pick out there? Is this seriously the person we want to be a literal heartbeat away from the most powerful position in the free world? What has happened to our party??? We’ve collapsed into the political garbage we’ve for so long been against. She may be nice. attractive. and conservative, but seriously??? The Vice president of the United States of America??? Where is Dan Quayle when you need him??? Sheesh. I am disgusted.
12. Dennis | August 30th, 2008 at 3:42 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
What kind of “moderation”, Mark? Explain the process by which you “moderate” comments, please. Inquiring minds want to know.
13. Faceplant | August 30th, 2008 at 4:09 am
“You can dream all you want about Earbama and his promise to unify this country; the only unity he’ll bring is the kooks he identifies with.”
Those “kooks” would be pretty much half of the country based on the last poll I looked at.
It’s pretty amazing how radicals like you can claim that you love this country when it’s quite clear that you despise at least half of the people in it.
14. OpChaosUK | August 30th, 2008 at 4:23 am
What has happened to our party???
Nothing has happened to your party, spoof.
What kind of “moderation”, Mark? Explain the process by which you “moderate” comments, please. Inquiring minds want to know.
Act like an adult, Dennie, and your comments won’t need moderation.
Those “kooks” would be pretty much half of the country based on the last poll I looked at.
No, chump, you kooks number about 13 percent or so. The rest are just ignorant.
It’s pretty amazing how radicals like you can claim that you love this country when it’s quite clear that you despise at least half of the people in it.
I served my country for 20 years so that kooks such as yourself could spew their hate-America drivel. I love my country; I just hate lib kooks. Bugger off if you can’t handle that, mate…
15. RealConservative | August 30th, 2008 at 4:39 am
Through this whole process I have not been crazy about the McCain ticket but was going to vote McCain as a vote against Obama.
I am doing the same and doing something I have told the RNC I would not do until something was done about illegal immigration. I am donating TODAY to the RNC.
People wanted change but that did not mean change to the same old leftist agenda. McCain is the man who is obviously ready to bring us the change we want and need at this time.
I won’t be voting McCain this year simply because he’s the only real choice. I will PROUDLY vote McCain because he is now the answer to this countries needs at this time.
16. vl fitzhugh | August 30th, 2008 at 4:56 am
hi i just want some infro on obama some truth. i cant get any thing from the news media that i just cant seem to trust. i would like to see some discustion on the plat forms of the demcoratic party . and no im not a dumdum. i hear one thing one day and and next day its no notwhat i said. i thought i might hear some thing besides hate hate hate. im so sick of that. guess im just to old . i want to know what obama ment when he said we americans must change our values. why what is wrong with our values? he said our flag opress some folks around the world. the only ones i can think of would be ones that want to destory this country. he wants to change our star spangled banner and quoted the lines about the boombs bursting and all that hesaid that he wanted to change that to i would like to buy the world a coke.now tonite he said that mccain said he would get ben laden if he had to follow him to hell but wouldent even go to the vave where he is living and get him. how did obama know that ben laden is living in a cave? has he heard from laden or some one clost to him?
im a diehard demcorate but this guy confuses me. and scares the hell out of me when he starts saying things like that. i quite the dmc when i found out that cliton was a comunist. im now independent but still a beliver in america first. well this is the way that goes god country mom and apple pie and in that order.thanks vl
17. OpChaosUK | August 30th, 2008 at 5:12 am
i would like to see some discustion on the plat forms of the demcoratic party.
If you would like to see some discussion on the platform of the Democrat(read: Donkaroach) Party, just Google any Donkaroach campaign since 1972.
Talk about more of the same…
18. bongoman | August 30th, 2008 at 5:12 am
You sure about that? Your post is basically incoherent.
19. OpChaosUK | August 30th, 2008 at 5:14 am
has he heard from laden or some one clost to him?
No, he’s the Messiah…he knows all.
Just call him Carnak the Magnificent…
20. vl fitzhugh | August 30th, 2008 at 5:15 am
i like vp palin i had never heard of her except now and then. never paid much attention but kinda filed it a way in my mind i think every one does that after i heard more about her and then heard he speach i though that she is just what we need. mccain said he didnt know to much about the buget. well he aced that with her because she might have been the mayor of a very small town but small towns have more trouble keeping their heads above water than bigger ones. she is a wife and mom of five kids. so u just got to know how to stay with in ur house hold allowance how small of big ur expenses might be. she is not only smart she is bright too. has a great sense of humur and she is charming and beautiful. if obamas dogs body jumps her. well she just might bite himin places he wont wont to talk about. i thing she would be more than ready to step into the oval office if the nee dever arose. and do a lot better job than obiden. thats dogs body. but idont thinkthat will happen except thru election. i want to thank u all for listing
.god bless u all and bod bless america and give us prof thur the nite that our flag is still there. vl
21. bongoman | August 30th, 2008 at 5:19 am
Yeah, Obama speaks on the satellite phone to Bin Laden in his cave every night. Idiot.
22. OpChaosUK | August 30th, 2008 at 5:19 am
Jeez, I’m sitting here in my barn conversion in North Yorkshire, replaying Friday’s Rush Limbaugh show, and I jjust heard a 14-year-old girl who clearly possesses twice the intelligence of any of our esteemed trolls.
There is hope for my beloved GOP after all…
23. kjstrouble | August 30th, 2008 at 6:38 am
I like what Palin stands for. I find that McCain/Palin is a really good ticket, because the chance of change has become even stronger. Anyone who would go after crooks in her own party is a strong person, and probably a maverick. I think being a maverick is a good thing, especially when real change is needed in government.
24. Timestar | August 30th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Making the decision to place someone next in line to a 72 year President with a village mayor noted for backing down the PTA , a Republican who had harsh words about yet another disgraced Republican Senator; what political courage and zero foreign policy experience at a time our economy is in the toilet and we are still looking for Bin Laden is proof positive we need to see the psychological records of John McCain.
Did I mention she fired an assault weapon?
25. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 8:49 am
I want to see Palin debate Obama, she’d kick his ass. You liberals have no idea what you’re up against. She’s a true reformer who has challenged the her own party, cut pork, and increased benefits to the average Alaskan.
While Obama picks a DC insider, McCain proves that he is the candidate that will bring change to Washington.
When McCain announces that Romney will run the treasury and Lieberman will be SecDef, this will be a landslide.
26. yekepyt | August 30th, 2008 at 9:21 am
I have found common ground with the Republicans: I too am elated that McCain picked Palin as his running mate!
Remember when Mark put in a whole blog entry about McCain taking the lead in the Gallup poll? That was on August 26. It was the first, and only, time that McCain led that poll, and he led by only one point.
Since that day, the poll has been taken two more times. On the 27th Obama was up by six, and on the 28th he was up by eight.
Of course, the poll is meaningless, unless it shows McCain leading by one point for one day, at which point it becomes worthy of a blog entry. Now it’s meaningless again, I’m sure.
Another measure of the country’s pulse: the sales rank on Amazon of Mark’s book “Caucus of Corruption” is 635,137. It’s available used for less than two dollars and fifty cents.
Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, book, which is exactly parallel to Mark’s (i.e., a political book written by a blogger) is called “Taking On the System: Rules for Radical Change in a Digital Era.” Its sales rank on Amazon: 12,970.
So, although Mark’s book has been out much longer, it’s 642,167 places lower in Amazon’s sales rank. 642,167 is a big number.
Another measure: Obama spoke to 84,000 people in Denver. More citizens wanted to get in, but the venue was sold out. Last I checked, tickets are still available for McCain’s rally at the Nutter Center, which holds around 12,000 people.
Yet another: on this very blog, McCain was despised until he became the presumptive Republican nominee, at which point Republicans begrudgingly accepted him and turned their efforts toward smearing Obama.
Real American people just don’t seem to embrace McCain’s message of “four more years of the same failed Republican policies.”
27. yekepyt | August 30th, 2008 at 9:29 am
And the smears (e.g., “Earbama”, “The One”, “Obamessiah”, the Muslim stuff, the Rezko stuff, the infanticide malarkey, the tax-and-spend lies, etc.) don’t seem to be working.
I think it’s because the smears all fall into the same two categories: “name-calling” and “lies and distortions.”
Neither of these categories resonates with the American people, which is why Obama’s lead is growing. McCain would be better served by trying to make some kind of cogent argument as to why his policies would make for a better America. I’m still waiting on that.
28. CanadianObserver | August 30th, 2008 at 9:42 am
17. OpChaosUK | August 30th, 2008 at 5:12 am
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Hey, keefer, have you quit your job as the resident officer devoted to policing & correcting the English language used by Blogs for Victory posters?
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16. vl fitzhugh | August 30th, 2008 at 4:56 am
20. vl fitzhugh | August 30th, 2008 at 5:15 am
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I would have thought there were enough errors in vl fitzhugh’s rants to give you a coronary.
Is the good life you’re living in the English countryside making you mellow?
What’s up?
29. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 9:46 am
yekepyt: Newsflash! Obama got a jump from his convention. It ALWAYS happens.
If you want to read some really nasty smears, go to DailyKos and other leftwing sites. The things they are saying about Palin are disgusting. And their posts are not falling on deaf ears either (ie Clinton supporters, feminists, moderate Dems).
“It will complete the alienation of the rest of the Hillary supporters from the Obama camp. How? That’s easy — the Obamabots will do it themselves. Go read the Washington Post blog or anywhere online where the Palin pick is being discussed, and you’ll see the trademark Obama misogyny already out in full force. She’s been on the ticket for two seconds and already the Obamabots are saying she “looks like a porn star,” they’re making rude remarks about her childbearing, they’re ridiculing her intelligence.
Keep it up, possums. Keep it up. Just when some Hillary supporters were trying to forget what misogynist freaks you all are, now you’re going to remind us all over again.”
“What’s fascinating is that the Obamabots really can’t help themselves. Their behavior is, I think, going to put paid to the notion that their anti-Hillary hate was just about Hillary and not about women.”
“They are already at it with the sexism, ageism and even disease-ism. McCain had skin cancer-he’s gonna die any day now! She has a family, she’s attractive-she has no brain! He’s old-old people are feeble! She was mayor of a small town-rural folks are so low info! They are gonna pick of the scabs again, and this time, the air isn’t gonna disinfect the pus-pus being the voters not onboard the O train in J.J.Jr’s analogy.”
30. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 9:56 am
And one of my favorite posts:
‘I often wonder if the Obama posters are just McCain plants because no one can really be that stupid. Then I turn on the tv and see Keith Olbermann, ugggggggh.”
31. yekepyt | August 30th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Kinberly,
Do you mean the Keith Olbermann with the skyrocketing ratings? I’ll add that as yet another measure of how America is saying “no thanks” to the “same old, same old” smear tactics of the Right.
And I can add “Obamabot” to the list of smears in the “childish name calling” category.
32. yekepyt | August 30th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Also, Kimberly, of course I know that Obama is going to get a bump (although nine points is a hell of a “bump”) from the convention.
Which is why I also included three other measures of how America feels, in addition to the poll results.
And with your help I’ve thought of a fourth (Olbermann’s ratings).
How about addressing any of these?
33. IndyFromCalifornia | August 30th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Reaction from Alaskans: http://tinyurl.com/5fbryj
“I, like all Alaskans, have been glued to the news media today, watching with amazement as Sarah Palin was tagged as McCain’s vice presidential running mate. Local radio talk shows are all a-buzz. The progressive station has a mixture of callers who are amused, horrified, and bewildered. The conservative station has a mixture of callers who are amused, enthusiastic, horrified and bewildered. No one is really sure how this happened, or what to make of it. Citing the fact that she was the mayor of Wasilla 2 years ago in her list of “executive experience” doesn’t even pass the giggle test in Alaska. Palin does have many supporters here in the state, but even many of them are doubting whether she can cut it in the Veep slot. A few callers have said they feel sorry for her, because they like her but she’s obviously being “used” and is way over her head. Local politicians are fiercely divided. Those who like her are generally appointees who are locally referred to as “Palin-bots” and have drawn comparisons to George Bush’s idealogical croneys. Many, Democrats and Republicans, are fierce opponents.”
34. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am
yekepyt,
Thank you for the good laugh. Sky rocketing ratings?
Olberman has been beaten like a rented mule for years and then enjoys a slight bump upwards (which is the only way he could’ve gone) during the Democrat convention and you claim victory.
LMAO. Reality is a good thing, you ought to embrace it sometime.
35. Timestar | August 30th, 2008 at 10:28 am
I love this. Many times I roll my eyes when I see the Democrats lose an election, as rightly they should, by placing politics before country. But every once in a while the Republicans throw me with a bone and they will put the Limbaugh, Dobbs, and Hannity wing of the Republican Party’s needs above the needs of the country ; Dan Quale, Rick Santorum, Harriet Miers, and now Palin.
Can you just imagine how much electricity is being wasted this weekend, with draft after draft, over at the Murdoch war room, as Fox prepares for their Monday Morning spin on this selection?
36. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 10:29 am
yekypt,
Where does Nanvy Pelosis book rank? Where does Jerome Coursy’s book rank?
Where does Dick Morris’s book rank? Do you really want to talk about book ratings?
37. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Lies and distortion? LOL. How about “I never heard any of those sermons.” “I worked with McCain on the ethics bill” when asked if he had ever worked across the isle. But he failed to add “but I voted against it because that’s how my party leaders told me to vote”. His speech was full of distortions. Most everything he claimed he was going to do didn’t MATCH his voting record. So that category is out the window.
Obamabot was used by a Democrat (along with very disrespectful names your fellow libs are calling Pallin). So your “name calling” category is out the window.
Olbermann’s ratings skyrocketing? LMAO. Not for long. Once the election is over, his rating jump will drop. Just watch.
38. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Timestar,
You have no idea what you’re up against. Palin could not only kick your ass, she will make Obama look like the brainless panderer that he is.
This is going to be easy. Of course defeating the likes of you is usually accomplished before breakfast.
39. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Hey Indy: That’s from the same blogger (a liberal). Find a blog from a Conservative bashing Palin, and maybe, you’d have a point. Otherwise, move on!
40. searp | August 30th, 2008 at 10:32 am
I love the Palin choice, but of course I am a Democrat.
Oh, I have no doubt that the Bush “base” loves Palin for all sorts of reasons, even if Karl thinks it is a loser.
Simple problem: the other 75% of the voters will think that choice is crazy. Of those, only another 20% will vote for McCain.
Better get ready for an extended stint as the “loyal opposition”. I am going to be very happy and excited all fall.
41. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 10:34 am
And I can add ?Obamabot? to the list of smears in the ?childish name calling? category. - yekypt
Does that mean you’ll add all the childish things said about Bush to the same category?
It’s that reality thing again. I know it can be elusive to you.
42. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 10:36 am
searp,
Think you for demonstrating what liberal men actually think of women, and for confirming the fact that you have no idea what a real woman is.
43. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Palin has just handed the Presidency to McCain. America will finally realize what a strong woman is and not the pandering, empty headed jumpsuits of Clinton and Pelosi.
44. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Neocon: Good one! Liberals just can’t stand a strong woman. Look what the Obamabots said about Clinton.
I think the libs are going to very surprised when they hear more from Palin. My cousin said she is an EXCELLENT campaigner and is very well-liked and respected.
45. IndyFromCalifornia | August 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Hey Kimberly, was that blog already cited? So sorry, but getting reaction from actual Alaskans is a good thing. Maybe this reaction will suit you: “Go, Sarah,” said Roy Wallis, owner of a Wasilla gun store. “We’re really, really excited. My kids went to school with her. Todd buys his guns here.”
That’s from the Alaskan Daily News. http://tinyurl.com/6kvfly Kind of makes you feel good all over doesn’t it?
As my handle suggests, I’m registered as no party affiliation. I’ve been leaning toward voting for Obama, and now McCain has removed all doubt.
46. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Timestar needs to go back to school. 75 + 20 = 90
And the other 5%, oh all and knowing?
LMAO.
47. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Kim,
She is not only a good campaigner, the woman is very bright, very articulate and resolute. She will punk Biden in the debates and it is then when America will realize what a great President she could be, and will be.
Palin/2012!
48. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Indy,
Thank you for demonstrating a liberals disconnect from 80% of the population that hunt and enjoy gun ownership.
And I encourage you to vote for Obama. I don’t want anyone of your limited intelligence and integrity to vote for McCain.
49. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Ooops. Sorry timestar. Misread your post.
Indy: Is Roy one of those bitter, gun-toting, church goers Obama dissed? I hate to break it to you, but not all Americans are elitists. :-) There are small towns with people just like Roy all over America and I don’t think they will take lightly what the O camp said about small towns or the people who live in them.
50. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Agreed, neocon. Liberals can’t understand why McCain would choose a woman from Alaska.
Here is an excellent post:
Palin had a problem at school one day so she went to a PTA meeting. She didn’t like the way things were going so she ran for the PTA and won. Then she ran for mayor of her hometown — where she played basketball and met her husband — and won. Then she got disgusted by Alaska politics and GOP corruption, and as a Republican ran against the corruption in her own party — and won.
And she never whined or complained. She’s happily married, she’s a tough lady married to a tougher man, and she got there through hard work and sheer determination.
She’s the conservative success story, and that is why men and women on the right just LOVE this pick. Not because she’s a woman. She played by the rules and beat corruption.
For Conservatives, Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens and his Bridge to Nowhere pork project are the absolute DEATH of conservative principles. These guys have ruined the Republican party. Sarah Palin went right at them and beat them senseless.
McCain is serious about corruption and reform. He has paid a heavy price in his own party for it — I was there, and I saw the resentment leveled against him. And I think he chose Palin because he plans to not only run against Obama, but against the 9% approval-rating Congress. She is the Real Deal in that regard.
Let the debates begin!!
51. IndyFromCalifornia | August 30th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Kimberly, the point is that I’m interested in getting some understanding of what Alaskans think, since like most of us, I had never heard of Sarah Palin until yesterday. You complained about the blog I cited, which you labeled as “liberal” (I actually didn’t even think about labeling it, you did). So go read the reactions at the Anchorage Daily News. http://tinyurl.com/6kvfly There are even some that you would like.
If you can cite any other reactions from Alaskans, I’d love to read them.
I don’t consider myself a liberal. I’ve actually been a registered Republican for most of my life. But I have to say, McCain worries me. A lot.
52. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Kim,
Excellent post. Palin is the real deal, FINALLY!
53. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Indy,
VOTE FOR OBAMA. We don’t want anyone of your moral uncertainty and limited integrity.
Got it?
54. Nietzsche-Is-Pietzsche | August 30th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Looks like Reichpublican love is short lived….
Palin Pick Leaves Bruised Feelings
By Anne E. Kornblut
DENVER — Though it was high in shock value, the Palin pick left bruised feelings among the short-list contenders who were not picked — and infuriated some Republican officials who privately said McCain had gone out on a limb, unnecessarily, without laying the groundwork for such an unknown. Two senior Republican officials close to Mitt Romney and Tim
Pawlenty said they had both been rudely strung along and now “feel manipulated.”
“They now know that they were used as decoys, well after McCain had decided not to pick them,” one Republican involved in the process said.”
It’s gonna be an interesting convention you guys are gonna have considering you’ll have a hurricane and hurt feelings from the also rans to deal with.
55. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 11:21 am
NIP,
I will see your one critical article of Palin with many about Biden:
The Associated Press’ analysis of Sen. Barack Obama’s pick of Joe Biden to be his VP: It shows a lack of confidence on Obama’s part:
The candidate of change went with the status quo. In picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate, Barack Obama sought to shore up his weakness — inexperience in office and on foreign policy — rather than underscore his strength as a new-generation candidate defying political conventions.
You’re just another empty head, aren’t you?
56. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 11:24 am
I have to tell you Indy, I was not impressed (I can’t say I was afraid) of McCain becoming the nominee. I’m an Arizona native and he’s been my Senator!
However, I decided to take a look at him from a different perspective - not as a Republican, but as an American. How can Congress get ANYTHING accomplished if they don’t work together? If the two sides are so divided and won’t budge, we will be paying their salaries for nothing! I don’t agree with some of the things he has done, but at least he (and Palin) has worked with the Democrats - more than I can say about Obama.
The one thing I really like about McCain, which Palin echoes, is his desire to stop the frivilous spending, earmarks, corruption. He has always stood up for that and I admire him for that.
Obama has BIG plans for America. The problem with his plans, no matter how good they sound on paper, is they are going to cost BIG bucks. How is he going to accomplish those hefty goals without taxing EVERY single American?
What scares me more about Obama is the fact that Democrats - no matter how much they claim it isn’t so - appease terrorists or look the other direction. Eight years of Clinton doing absolutely nothing. Did he go after those who bombed our embassies in Kenya? No. Did he go after those who bombed the USS Cole? No. And all the while, OBL planned the biggest attack on US soil.
During the convention, not much was said about the GWOT, terrorists, the Islamic fanatics. WTF? I know the economy is important, but the GWOT is just as important. Looking the other way or pretending there is no such thing is not going to make it go away.
57. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Olberman in fact wants to shut down someone else’s free speech rights for crticizing Obama.
So the liberal Olbermann was outraged that the AP’s Babington had written, in his analysis of the speech, just off the wire, that Obama had tried nothing new and that his speech was lacking in specifics. He read the first few paragraphs on the air, lamented that it would be printed in hundred of newspapers on Friday, and concluded, “It is analysis that strikes me as having borne no resemblance to the speech you and I just watched. None whatsoever. And for it to be distributed by the lone national news organization in terms of wire copy to newspapers around the country and web sites is a remarkable failure of that news organization.
“Charles Babington, find a new line of work.”
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003844063
58. Nietzsche-Is-Pietzsche | August 30th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Neokook-
Thats old news and it’s already in file 13 as far as the media is concerned. Funny that Romney and Pawlenty haven’t stepped up yet to say what a great pick she is. Hmmmmmmm
59. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Hate to burst your non-reality bubble, nippers, but both Romney and Pawlenty have both stepped up to say Palin is a great pick.
60. Nietzsche-Is-Pietzsche | August 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Kimmers-
Oh I’m sure that after some time they will begrudgingly endorse her, they’re tow the line Riechpublicans afterall, but as to this point i can find no post nomination endorsement of her by the two. I even took the time to look on your propaganda nutwork Faux News and if the endorsement is there they are certainly making it hard to find.
61. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Yeah, just like the Clintons begrudgingly endorsed Obama, right?
PS Just because Fox isn’t 100% liberal or bowing down to The One, doesn’t mean they are biased. They show both sides, have people from both sides on, etc. You just can’t stand that, can you?
62. Nietzsche-Is-Pietzsche | August 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Any word from Tom Ridge?? Come on Kimmers…. Where are they? They should be jumping over themselves to get on TV and print to say what a great decision this was.
63. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 11:56 am
“I got word of it, the actual choice, this morning,” said Pawlenty, facing a swarm of reporters and photographers after the show. “I did talk to Sen. McCain by phone early this morning. It was a wonderful conversation. I congratulated him on the pick and told him I’m very excited about the pick.”
64. Nietzsche-Is-Pietzsche | August 30th, 2008 at 11:57 am
61. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 11:53 am
LMAO!!!!!!!!! Freakin’ LIAR I knew you couldn’t find it. LOL!!
65. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 11:58 am
“Gov. Palin’s story is one that all Americans will find inspiring,” Romney said in a statement.
“She’s a Washington outsider with a commitment to the conservative principles that will make our nation stronger. I look forward to campaigning for Sen. McCain, Gov. Palin and Republicans all across the country,” Romney said.
66. Nietzsche-Is-Pietzsche | August 30th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Ok Kimmers where do we find that ? Also what did Romney say, I’m sure he was gracious but excited? I doubt that.
67. Nietzsche-Is-Pietzsche | August 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Did Pawlenty say if he enjoyed being punked by McCain?
68. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
NIP,
So are you desperately trying to paint the lack of immediate exuberance from Romney, etc. as a sign of discontent?
Are you that stupid? Or that desperate? I think it’s a combination of both which makes you the perfect Obama supporter. And then Kimberly exposes you for the idiot you are.
69. Mark Noonan | August 30th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
NiP,
You look more like a fool every day:
And the really surprising thing? Hillary Clinton is the Democrat showing real class:
Contrast that to the exceptional nastiness and small-minded bigotry you on the left are showing…
70. Nietzsche-Is-Pietzsche | August 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
neokook | August 30th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Where are these stories? Like said I’m sure they’re gonna nice things, they have to. But why aren’t they pushing harder to endorse this decision? Cause they both know they got punked. They were set up by McCain in the media and they in the ultimate head fake, McCain played them, and played it safe by bowing to the far Reich of his party. It won’t help at all with independent voters and I think that’ll become clear to you guys in the next two weeks.
71. Nietzsche-Is-Pietzsche | August 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Oh and BTW Gallup has Obama 49% McCain 41%
72. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
NIP,
You need to learn the first rule of holes. What will become clear in the months to come is how strong, articulate, resolute and intelligent this woman is, which liberals have yet to find amongst anyone within their ranks.
Please just stay on the Obama soul train. it’s where you and other mental midgets belong.
73. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
What’s becoming clear to Independent voters is the classless responses from those on the left about Palin, the constant bashing about Bush (who isn’t running), comparing Bush to McCain when McCain hasn’t voted 90% of the time with Bush, the distortions and lies in Obama’s speech - the ones that don’t come close to matching his voting record, the lack of experience from the top of your ticket, the celebrity status of The One, and the list goes on. Not only is your party alienating Independent voters, but members of your own party. Go PUMA! LOL!!
Do a cruise around the blog world and find that out for yourself. (You know, use those pesky things at the end of your hand!)
74. FmrMarine | August 30th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Neo
Im finally energized for McCain,
What I REALLY love is that in the next 8 years the Repubs will have put the first Woman in the WH…
AMF hillary, ya got your pantsuit kicked by a one page resume, mulatto-racist…..community organizer …..LOVE IT!!!!!
GO - McCain/Palin WOO HOO !
75. Retired Spook | August 30th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Looks like Reichpublican love is short lived….
Nippers, your repeated use of this language only reinforces our already low opinion of you. But I’m sure that approach will garner your side lots of votes in November. You ought to write the Obama campaign and suggest that they start comparing Republicans to Nazis.
76. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
fmr,
I think Palin will be the first woman President, and I can’t think of any better woman to assume that mantle.
77. Retired Spook | August 30th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Contrast that to the exceptional nastiness and small-minded bigotry you on the left are showing…
And the bottom line, Mark, is that that’s all they’ve got — well, that and “tax the rich”. Apparently no one on the Left has ever read “How to Win Friends and Influence People”. The kinds of mindless, mean-spirited, nasty and crude attacks we’re seeing from the Left are not going to be lost on the millions of undecideds, independents and moderate and conservative Democrats. Can you imagine being undecided and reading Nietzsche’s remarks, and then saying, “that does it, I’m voting for Obama”?
I’ve voted in every general election since 1966, and I’ve never, repeat NEVER seen the base this jazzed. Sarah Palin is the kind of citizen-public servant that the founders visualized. They never, in their wildest dreams imagined someone like Joe Biden, graduating from law school and spending the rest of his life in government.
78. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Palin IS grass roots, red blooded, walk the walk, talk the talk, God fearing, family oriented, independent American.
Thank God for her.
I haven’t been this excited for the GOP in a long time.
79. thrower | August 30th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
10. OpChaosUK | August 30th, 2008 at 3:23 am
“She has to be able to stand on her own because if she is placed in that role, by definition McCain is not there to guide her.”
“News flash, dimwit–NO president has ever “stood on their own.” Earbama won’t, McCain won’t, nor would Plugs Biden or Palin, should they be forced to assume the office.”
That is precisely the point Operation Brains-off. When you bring a thin resume to that job like Bush did, you rely on the advice and counsel of faceless people for whom nobody voted. To everyone but you guys, that has been a disaster and reflects poorly on the GOP “bench.” Pardon me for not wanting more of the same. Palin either stands on her own or she is a negative.
80. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Thrower,
So Bush, who had ran a multi million dollar private business before being a two term Governor of the one of our largest states had a thin resume??
Please regale us with your brilliant assesment then of Obamas resume? Can’t wait.
81. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
It is exciting, RS!! Palin is such an awesome example of a strong woman, an American, a Republican. One who climbed the ladder without the help of crooks or a man (sorry, had to add that :-) Makes me sooooo proud!! The base IS energized … McCain campaign received over $3M yesterday in donations and I am sure more today and over the weekend.
The Left is now trying to find uncompromising photos of Palin (searches on google for Palin in a swimsuit, Palin nude, etc.). It doesn’t matter that her accomplishments far outweigh The One’s. They are reaching for straws!
Yes, she is unknown to the Nation. Just like she was unknown to Alaska. That is … before she kicked the incumbent’s butt and then the Democrat’s butt to become the first female Gov of Alaska.
82. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Good one, neocon. Let’s compare President Bush’s resume to The One’s. That’s good for a dozen or more chuckles.
83. Mark Noonan | August 30th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
thrower,
Errr…if Bush’s resume’ was “thin”, then Obama’s is something less than zero…
84. Retired Spook | August 30th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Sorry, thrower, Nietzsche, and all you other Lefties, you can stand there and thrown sh*t at the wall all day long, hoping that some of it will stick, but all you’re going to get is icky fingers and a sore arm.
Until yesterday morning I had pretty much resigned myself to having a McCain-Romney ticket, a McCain-Pawlenty ticket, a McCain-Ridge ticket, or even, God forbid, a McCain-Lieberman ticket. The first 3 I could have voted for if I held my nose tight. The last one probably would have resulted in a blank at the top of my ballot. But now, I’ll have a smile on my face when I punch those buttons for McCain and Palin with enthusiasm. I’m just your average American — nothing special, worked hard all my life, served my country, married to the same woman for 42 years, don’t cheat on my taxes or my wife. There are 10’s of millions like me all across America just itching to get our Republican Party back to it’s limited government, personal responsibility roots. For me the choice of Sarah Palin in the first step in that process.
85. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Amen Spook.
86. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Now we know the kind of judgements McCain would make as President. Since he has called terrorism in the Middle East, the “transcendent issue” and said that his first criteria in selecting a VP would be ensuring that person would be ready to be Commander in Chief, does that mean that Ms. Palin is the MOST qualified for President? What does she bring in understanding the Middle East and terrorism? What can McCain learn from her on these issues?
Or did we just see why he graduated 5th from the BOTTOM of his class in the Naval Academy? After 8 years of having the “regular guy” with mediocre grades making poor decisions, do we need another term from a proud and stubborn underachiever?
87. Retired Spook | August 30th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
What does she bring in understanding the Middle East and terrorism?
I’ll bet she understands it’s not a “law enforcement issue, which is more than I can say for ANYONE on your side.
88. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
>>comparing Bush to McCain when McCain hasn’t voted 90% of the time with Bush, the distortions and lies in Obama’s speech - the ones that don’t come close to matching his voting record, the lack of experience from the top of your ticket, the celebrity status of The One<<
Ummm, according to the non-partisan Congressional Quarterly McCain HAS voted with Bush over 90% of the time.
If you believe that McCain’s policies would be substantially different than Bush’s, please tell me where he has differed with Bush on foreign policy or the economy? True, McCain TWICE voted against the Bush tax cuts (which, along with the War, are bankrupting this nation) but now he SUPPORTS making the tax cuts permanent! How is this ‘change’?
And Obama not only has experience, temperament, and judgement, he has the leadership skills necessary to bring this country together. Look at his campaign and how well it has been run. Look at his accomplishments in the Senate and in the IL state Senate. Look at his community organizing successes (he took the job paying $10,000 per year in order to help folks out of work and in poverty).
Look, I know McCain has nothing else except to mock Obama’s popularity. But that is due to his POPULISM! Maybe McCain is proud that fewer than 8,000 people want to see his VP. Maybe he believes the fewer people see him, the less of a ‘celebrity’ he is, the better. . . Maybe McCain would be THRILLED if the DNC ratings clobbered the RNC ratings next week, because to be ‘unpopular’ is a badge of honor. . . .
I don’t know, but many more people are watching Obama, donating to Obama, and supporting him because he has the policies to lead America. If you like the Bush era policies, vote McCain. But if you think we need to address the concerns of the middle class (not just the very wealthy), vote for Obama!
89. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
You know, I just can’t get over how much the Left is concentrating on Palin. They have enough problems keeping Biden’s feet out of his mouth. Check out the video on hotair.com on his recent campaign stop in Scranton. The guy is a total doof! Palin is going to wipe the floor with him! LOL!
90. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
>>I’ll bet she understands it’s not a “law enforcement issue, which is more than I can say for ANYONE on your side<<
What did she say about Iraq?
GREAT!
At least Obama understands that if 19 hijackers from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE attack America, that we shouldn’t invade an unrelated sovereign nation in retaliation. He, like Kerry, supported the war in Afghanistan against Al Qaeda - and the Pentagon itself admits that we pulled troops out of Afghanistan, we would likely have captured or killed Bin Laden.
But Bush-McCain wanted to take out Saddam, despite warnings from Obama, Kennedy, and Wellstone. They warned of a long, drawn-out, and costly war and stated that we should be pursuing Al Qaeda, not Saddam. Meanwhile, the Neocons said the War would be a cakewalk, that the Iraqi oil would pay for the war and reconstruction, that the war would cost NO MORE than 1 BILLION for American taxpayers. . .
Who was right, pal? Who was wrong?
BTW, what about McCain’s judgement? Is Palin REALLY the MOST QUALIFIED Commander-in-Chief? Better than Ridge, Pawlenty, Romney?!?!? Better than Lieberman? WTF?
And what does fellow GOP Thad Cochran say about McCain’s judgement and temperament?
Well, THAT’S re-assuring!
91. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
coulter,
Are you Howard Dean? I noticed you have offered nothing substantive to back your assertion, only opinion.
So, vote for, and rejoice in your boy wonder candidate while you can. Come November the electorate will discard him to the liberal ash heap of history along with Mondale, Dukakis and Kerry.
92. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Who was right, pal? Who was wrong? - coulter
“I don’t think the surge will scale back sectarian violence, in fact, I think it will make it worse” - Obama
You are so easily dismissed coulter.
93. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
>>“I don’t think the surge will scale back sectarian violence, in fact, I think it will make it worse” - Obama
You are so easily dismissed coulter.<<
Funny, but the ’surge’ isn’t over yet- we STILL have more troops in Iraq than pre-surge.
And if the ’surge’ was successful, why are we still there? Wasn’t the whole point to give the Iraqis some time to get their act together, to work out a revenue sharing deal, and to get their security forces together.
If the ’surge’ was successful, we should be out of there, shouldn’t we?
And why is it that McCain needs hundreds of troops, bulletproof jackets, and copters overhead when he strolls through a Baghdad market. . . but the Iraqis LOVE Ahmadinejad, he is welcomed at one of Saddam’s palaces and showered with affection.
Is this ‘Mission Accomplished’ like Bush-McCain famously declared back in 2003?
94. Retired Spook | August 30th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Kimberly,
The hotair.com video that everyone ought to watch is this one.
95. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
>>I noticed you have offered nothing substantive to back your assertion, only opinion.<<
You are capable of looking at the CQ ratings, aren’t you? That IS substantive- in fact, it’s the same thing you folks point to when you say that “Obama is the most liberal Senator”, since he voted with his party over 95% of the time.
But that would be a change, wouldn’t it? Whereas voting 95% of the time with Bush (this past year, as McCain did) would NOT be change. . .
96. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Palin IS change. That’s why all liberals currently have their panties in a wad.
Obama offer NOTHING, but promises and platitudes and only the mindless lap it up.
Once the curtain is drawn the lever is to be pulled, Americans will elect the experience of McCain and the promise of Palin.
97. Sadly, No! » With M&hellip | August 30th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
[...] Ah, Palin. Let the last word be from the folks who are still in our hearts called Blogs For Bush. ABOVE: Mark Noonan The Palin Effect? [...]
98. Dennis | August 30th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Neocon: “So Bush, who had ran a multi million dollar private business before being a two term Governor of the one of our largest states had a thin resume??”
The thinnest. You omitted the words “into the ground.” Bush ran his businesses into the ground, remember? In 1989, while George was a director, Harken Energy lost over $12 million against revenues of $1 billion. Then, as a member of their audit committee, possessing inside information about the company’s fiscal health, he bailed on his stock just before it crashed.
He used those bucks to pay off the loan for his partnership in the Texas Rangers, one of the least successful teams in major league baseball history. After the Rangers got their new stadium, financed by tax increases and land seizure by eminent domain, Bush managed to cash out of that deal with a hefty profit too, but his own involvement added no value whatsoever. He merely caught a ride on an up elevator.
So, yes - Bush had not only a very thin business resume, but ethically a very flakey one as well. And all the above are barely the Cliff notes on the Harken matter - the more details you learn, the worse Bush looks.
99. FmrMarine | August 30th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
cf
>>>Look at his accomplishments in the Senate and in the IL state Senate. Look at his community organizing successes >>>>
BWWWWWWAAAAAA HA HA HA HA,
PLEASE STOP you’re killing me, ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!
PS
please please keep on screeching about her LACK of experience…….It will just highten the spotlight on oBOMBa and his TOTAL lack of anything.
100. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
>>Palin IS change.<<
Maybe you misunderstand what Americans mean by wanting change. They DON’T mean a change of gender, they mean a change of policy.
Please tell me, what criticisms has Palin leveled at the Bush administration foreign, economic, and social policies? What would a McCain-Palin administration change in terms of our engagements in the ME, our relations with our allies, our economy. What about health care? MOST Americans want Universal Health Care (even most Republicans according to recent polls). . . is Palin ‘on board’ with our need for UHC? Most Americans want an end to War in Iraq and our troops brought home. . . does she disagree with McCain-Bush on that issue? What are her views on Chinese trade policies? Are they different views than the Bush-McCain policies? What about engagement in talks with Iran? Does she favor direct diplomacy, or more of the same Bush-McCain bluster and antagonism?
Other than genitalia, what sort of “change” is Palin?
101. cmorr | August 30th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
fundies get jazzed?
102. FmrMarine | August 30th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
dingdongdennis
>>>he bailed on his stock just before it crashed.>>>
>>>Bush managed to cash out of that deal with a hefty profit too>>>
>>>He merely caught a ride on an up elevator.>>>
Actually for such a “dummy” it sure looks like he did quite well.
And has an
BA Harvard
MBA Yale
Navy officer
Jet fighter pilot
Governor 2 times
POTUS 2 times
Not a bad resume Id say.
How about YOURS ding dong dennis tell us how YOU size up against W.
probably “would you like fries with that burger?”
103. FmrMarine | August 30th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
cf
only you kook tard lefties are screeching about “change”
then pick one of the slimiest insider good ole boy to run with change? maybe more hairplugs but nothing else.
104. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
FmrMarine:
I know being informed goes against Republicanism- after all, being educated is being “elitest”. That’s why McCain (5th from bottom of his class) and Bush (who’s proven to be an idiot) are the GOP’s brightest stars!
Funny, but if I were having brain surgery, I would want an ‘elite’ surgeon. If our troops were to carry out a risky mission, I would want the ‘Elite Forces’ to take the lead.
Here’s the deal: Obama passed the Ethics Reform Package (I know, Republicans are against ethics. . . which is why it was so difficult to pass), he also worked on legislation to secure loose nuclear material, he wrote and sponsored government transparency legislation, in IL he sponsored and passed legislation providing children health coverage. . . I could go on and on. . .
BTW, what has McCain done for all his years in Washington? I know he sponsored the McCain-Feingold bill (which the GOP hates) and the immigration bill (which they also hate, didn’t pass, and he flip-flopped on). . . but his resume is pretty damn thin. Obama has sponsored more legislation which makes a difference in peoples lives than McCain did in his entire career!
Oh yeah. . . I forgot . . . “I didn’t get a chance to pass legislation for 5 1/2 years when I was a POW! ”
What again has McCain accomplished other than being shot down, captured, and taken into prison?
105. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
>>Then pick one of the slimiest insider good ole boy to run with change?<<
By ’slimiest’ are you referring to Tom DeLay?
If you’re talking about Biden. . .he’s never been involved in a financial, sex, or any other scandal (unlike McCain, who’s had BOTH!) He’s never used his office to enrich himself (and his entire net worth is $150,000). . .
And, ummm, Biden’s policies would be pretty dramatically different than Bush-McCain. . . which would, in fact, be “change”!
106. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
BTW, everybody objective thinks that this Palin VP choice is out of desperation. Nobody really thinks that she was chosen for any other reason than she’s a young WOMAN with Wingnut credentials.
Really, if she were a man. . . would she have gotten the job? Is she REALLY the best person to be Commander in Chief if Pres. McCain were incapacitated? I’ve heard that Romney and Pawlenty are pissed, and I don’t blame them.
In contrast, Obama ran the best campaign, has built the biggest political organization, got the most primary votes, debated 20 times on the national stage, has released very detailed policy proposals, and has surrounded himself with the best economic and foreign policy advisors. He is even-tempered, exercises good judgement, is an excellent commuicator, and has never been rash or reckless.
This is a desperate, reckless, cynical, and purely political choice. You may love the choice, but I bet it’s for her Conservative social positions on gay marriage and abortion (or because you think it’s good political strategy) and NOT because you think she’s ready to lead the Free World!
107. CanadianObserver | August 30th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Outside of Leftwing Kookdom, the selection of Palin is being greeted with enthusiasm…
August 30th, 2008 at 01:51am Mark Noonan
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Come on Mark, surely to heaven there are some Conservatives out there capable of independent thought. Some Republican folks who use the little grey cells they were bestowed with to conclude that this was not the best choice for McCain’s VP.
108. FmrMarine | August 30th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
cf
uh huh
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmUwOTllNmMzZDNlMTljMGFmY2JkZTllYmQyOTY0ODY=
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian/browse_thread/thread/a47acf790cb10e77
http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/barack_obama_and_israel.html
Tell all about it….sure!
109. FmrMarine | August 30th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
frog
>>>Come on Mark, surely to heaven there are some Conservatives out there capable of independent thought.>>>
P!$$ off frog, NOBODY cares what some A$$ hat from Kanada thinks.
Im sick of your moronic drivel.
110. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
>>Come on Mark, surely to heaven there are some Conservatives out there capable of independent thought. <<
Some, but not many. Charles Krauthammer, Romney & Pawlenty (privately, of course), Ramesh Ponnuru, Andrew Sullivan (though he’s more of a Democrat than he used to be. . . Thank you, President Bush!), Joe Scarborough, and a few others.
But Republicans are not generally known for independent thought. Or competency. . . or good decision-making. . . or thoughtful analysis (which is ‘elitist’, after all)
111. coulterfan | August 30th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
FmrMarine,
OMG!!! He’s BLACK and knows some folks who are MUSLIM! And 15 years ago, a college professor who used to be in a terrorist group (but was never charged with any crime himself) donated to his campaign and hosted him at his house!
WOW!!!
I bet you were APPALLED when you found out that someone with ties to Al Qaeda was a BIG contributor to the GOP party:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/02/accused_terrori.html
Surely, this guilt-by-association stuff isn’t a big deal to you. . . if it were, you would shun McCain and his connections to the Keating Five!
112. Retired Spook | August 30th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Some Republican folks who use the little grey cells they were bestowed with to conclude that this was not the best choice for McCain’s VP.
CO, I know you’re not really qualified to answer this, being a Canadian (although that’s never stopped you from commenting on our affairs before), but, in your opinion, who was McCain’s best choice — and why?
113. Dennis | August 30th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Fmrdingdong: “Actually for such a ‘dummy’ it sure looks like he did quite well.”
Well, yes - if getting money is the only measure of doing well. By that standard I could rob a bank and end up doing very well.
And looking at the mortgage crisis it looks as if that’s pretty much how a lot of banking executives have “done well” - by applying Republican “ethics” to the entire mortgage industry.
But earning money by honest work is one thing George Bush never learned how to do.
114. CanadianObserver | August 30th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
in your opinion, who was McCain’s best choice — and why?
112. Retired Spook | August 30th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
———————————-
Well, Spook, I could be flippant and say Ron Paul. Why? To give the U.S. an abrupt face lift in the event of McCain’s demise.
But of course you are entirely correct in your assumption that being Canadian I am not qualified to answer your question.
115. kimberly4victory | August 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Interview with Palin from CNBC
116. Timestar | August 30th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
please please keep on screeching about her LACK of experience…….99. FmrMarine | August 30th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
So you are saying with a straight face Palin is top tier Republican VP material. If that is the case; Bush as leader of the Republican Party has decimated the Repug’s farm system. There can be no joy in Mudville.
117. CanadianObserver | August 30th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Im sick of your moronic drivel.
109. FmrMarine | August 30th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
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As opposed to your placable prose, eh, FrmMarine.
118. Faceplant | August 30th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
“I served my country for 20 years so that kooks such as yourself could spew their hate-America drivel.”
Typical con. If I deviate from conservatism I’m “kook lib”. Funny considering you don’t know a single one of my political views other than my choice for president. In reality you hate anyone who doesn’t think like you. Which, in case you didn’t notice, is now the majority of Americans.
“I love my country;”
Given that you support a party that stands against the founding principles of the nation (domestic spying, torture, unitary executive) you clearly don’t love your country. Or at least you don’t love the principles the country was founded.
Oh, and by the way it’s also MY country.
“I just hate lib kooks. Bugger off if you can’t handle that, mate…”
And the criteria for someone to be considered a “lib kook” is strangely consistent with what the majority of Americans think now. In case you didn’t notice it’s people like you who are in the minority.
You despise half of the population. All because they don’t agree with you. Whatever that is, it isn’t an American attitude.
119. Casper | August 30th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Spook,
“CO, I know you’re not really qualified to answer this, being a Canadian (although that’s never stopped you from commenting on our affairs before), but, in your opinion, who was McCain’s best choice — and why?”
I know you didn’t direct the comment at me, but I would like to answer it anyway. I would have picked Romney. He has the economic expertise that McCain lacks and the background that would allow him to take over if something happened to McCain. I voted for Romney in the primary and he is the one pick that would would have made me consider McCain at this point. Now my question for you. Do you really think Palin is a better pick than Romney?
120. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Face,
Why does Obama support domestic spying? And why would you support him because of that? He seems to not represent your values at all?
If you claim the conservatives are the minority, why did Obama run to the right after securing the nomination? Why does he now support drilling, faith based charities and the second amendment?
I mean I don;t know how you are even going to vote for him considering those positions.
Care to explain?
121. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Casper,
Please vote for Obama. I don’t want to be included with someone with your moral uncertainty and timidity. Obama is the perfect candidate for you, nothing but empty promises and platitudes. Very enlightening.
122. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
McCain and Palin will put Romney in charge of the treasury and Lieberman in charge of defense and this election will be a landslide with Obama/Biden being beaten like the mentally chllenged mules they are.
123. Casper | August 30th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
“McCain and Palin will put Romney in charge of the treasury and Lieberman in charge of defense”
Are you sure? His record on picking people isn’t so hot up to now.
“Please vote for Obama. I don’t want to be included with someone with your moral uncertainty and timidity. Obama is the perfect candidate for you, nothing but empty promises and platitudes. Very enlightening.”
And McCain is the perfect fit for you, old and out of touch. Do you know how many houses you have? I do>
124. Casper | August 30th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
I should have said I know how many houses I have. I don’t know how many you have, nor do I care.
125. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
I don’t care about you at all, so we’re in good shape.
btw the house comment reveals your lack intelligence and susceptibility to propaganda. Good job.
Tell me why would you support a candidate that endorses domestic spying? I just don’t get it.
126. 1moreyear | August 30th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Hmmm, let’s see, we just spent the last 7 years with a POTUS that we would “feel confortable having a beer with.” How’d that work out? Now you want to suggest that someone who you’d “be confortable having a potluck dinner with” would do a better job. Please! This is not to suggest that being a Washington elite is a valid requirement but I would respectfully suggest that the job of POTUS demands a great deal more of anyone than shooting moose or being the liason to oil companies in AK. When will we (Americans) learn that we need the best and brightest to deal with our problems. Because we have some serious ones here. It occurs to me that there was only one reason for picking Palin and that is that the Evangelicals don’t like McCain and there was a significant risk of them staying home this election and just in case anyone’s counting, without the Evangelicals, there is no Republican party. So in effect, this is nothing more than a cynical attempt to rally the real troops of the right. Just like Meirs, she believes in God therefore God will guide her in her decisions if needed. Now, this is just my assessment of the situation so don’t blast the hell out of me. I’m disgusted with them all left and right but the idea of a housewife running the country disturbs me. Yea, I know she’s more than a housewife…but not by much. So go ahead and get excited, I think this sinks the McCain ticket.
BTW, the population of Alaska is about that of Austin TX so before you start comparing her to Clinton (then gov of Arkansas) just realize that they don’t have anywhere near the problems associated with the rest of America.
127. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Face ,
Where re you bro?
Why do support a candidate that supports domestic spying, the second amendment, faith based charities, invading the sovereign country of Pakistan and illegalizing late term abortions?
It just doesn’t seem consistent with your views.
128. Casper | August 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
“I don’t care about you at all, so we’re in good shape.”
And yet you still answer me. I do care about you, because I want you around after the election to send some packages to our soldiers in Iraq.
“btw the house comment reveals your lack intelligence and susceptibility to propaganda. Good job.”
You mean the tape of him passing the question on to his staff wasn’t real? Oh the horror.
“Tell me why would you support a candidate that endorses domestic spying? I just don’t get it.”
Are you saying McCain doesn’t? Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve ever said that was an issue with me.
129. Faceplant | August 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Actually for such a “dummy” it sure looks like he did quite well.
And has an
BA Harvard
Uh, no he doesn’t. He recieved his MBA from Harvard Business school, and his BA in History from Yale. He somehow got into Harvard business school despite having a Yale GPA of 2.35. While average GPA’s are not publically available from Bush’s time at Harvard it’s worth noting that Harvard does not allow admission to anyone with a GPA below 2.6 today. He applied to Harvard Business school after he was rejected by the University of Texas Law School.
MBA Yale
Again, he recieved a BA from Yale, barely graduating with a 2.35 GPA. He was accepted into Yale despite an SAT score that was 200 points below Yales average freshman in 1970.
Navy officer
Jet fighter pilot
He became a fighter pilot after he passed the Officers Pilot Aptitude Test with the lowest possible passing score. Bush never met the minimum standard of 500 flight hours, meaning even if he did offer to be transfered to combat duty he would have not have been qualified to fly combat missions.
He then refused to take a mandatory physical, and drug test. He was suspended and grounded, and would never fly again.
Governor 2 times
POTUS 2 times
Some would say he only won the Presidency once, but I digress.
Bush’s record is pretty clear. It’s the record of a son of privilege, who barely squeeked by.
130. Faceplant | August 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
“It just doesn’t seem consistent with your views.”
Since you fancy yourself such an expert one my views, why don’t you tell me what my views are?
131. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
…without the Evangelicals, there is no Republican party. - 1morebraincell
proving once again what failure liberals are at math.
Just like Meirs, she believes in God therefore God will guide her in her decisions if needed - 1morebraincell
And so does Obama, in fact claiming that God was his source of strength and guidance when at Saddleback.
I’m disgusted with them all left and right but the idea of a housewife running the country disturbs me. - 1morebraincell
This statement reveals what liberals actually think about women and I have archived it to embarrass you at every opportunity.
Also the population of Alaska is pretty close to the popultion of Vermont and more than the population of Hope, Ar or Plains, GA. So great argument there 1braincell.
132. Faceplant | August 30th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
“Tell me why would you support a candidate that endorses domestic spying?”
The TSA has never come up for a vote before congress.
As far as the FISA bill that he voted in favor of, I was extremely angry at Obama. It was a stupid vote, made in an effort to insulate himself from right wing attacks that he’s weak on national security.
It was a stupid, and indefensible vote.
133. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Csper,
Good to know you support domestic spying. I guess I need to ask you to clarify it for me. What citizens do you think we should we spy on? nd how would you conduct the spying?
Face,
Also good to know that you support all of the items I listed, but those issues are not consistent with the liberal agenda. So considering yours, and Obamas support for those issues, how will bring the change we need? It sounds like more of the same.
And nice post on Bush. You certainly seem obssessed with the man. Do you think he’s hot?
134. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Stupid and indefensible vote, yet you think he’s ready for the POTUS.
Wow. No need to continue. I think Kucinich is more your speed.
135. 1moreyear | August 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
neo, the evangelical statement is a fact. Without them, there is no party.
What I was reffering to is the total acceptance of inexperiance as ok because God will step in and help.
Once again, your idea of the second highest office being held by a housewife is ok? Well shit then, anyone could do this job, how about you?
I agree about Vermont in population but not in issues facing the public.
Once again, be happy, McCain is toast. You’ll see by next week and I’ll be back to gloat.
136. Faceplant | August 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
“Why does Obama support domestic spying? And why would you support him because of that? He seems to not represent your values at all?”
He made a politcally calculated vote. He is after all a politician. It was a dumb vote, and I was not happy in the slightest.
And wow, look, we have another expert on my values. Since you know so much about me, why don’t you tell me wha they are?
“If you claim the conservatives are the minority, why did Obama run to the right after securing the nomination?”
Because democratic strategists are dumb, and have been using this exact same losing strategy for years.
This isn’t hard to figure out. Poll, after poll, after poll shows that the “kook left’s” views are right in with the mainstream American voters. Majorites of Americans support a womans right to choose, they are against descrimination against gays, they like the idea of unversal healthcare. They are against torture, they are against domestic spying, and they are against the Iraq war.
“Why does he now support drilling, faith based charities and the second amendment?”
Far be it from me to deviate from what you say my views are supposed to be, but offshore drilling isn’t much of a concern to, and I don’t have the slightest problem with faith based charities. Democrats are not against the second Amendment no matter what you gun whackos say.
137. Faceplant | August 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
“Stupid and indefensible vote, yet you think he’s ready for the POTUS.
Wow. No need to continue. I think Kucinich is more your speed.”
So you think you need to agree with EVERY SINGLE policy position that a candidate holds in order to vote for them?
Wow, I guess the McCain Feingold act pretty much garauntees that not a single conservative will EVER vote for John McCain.
Spare me.
138. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Fce,
You’ve just made a strong argument against voting for Obama. Thanks.
He does pander, and his votes are based on political expediency.
1morebraincell,
Strong evangelicals are maybe 8-10% of the party. A little second grade math here, is that a majority?
And denigrating the Governor of Alaska and calling her a housewife is an insult to ALL WOMEN. Great job. Another post I will archive and use to destroy you later.
Thanks for the material.
139. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Face,
WRONG. You stated that he caves to political pressures, which is not a good quality for President. Again, you should be voting for Kucinich.
140. 1moreyear | August 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
neo, she is a self proclaimed “hockleymom”. I didn’t make it up. Its not demeaning. It’s just not VP material. Sorry.
8 - 10% of the party ? I think not. 30% of the population and virtually all voted for Bush. I’ll even give you the 10% if you admit that without them, it’s over.
141. Casper | August 30th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
neocon,
I never said I supported Domestic spying, just that I have never said it was an issue with me. I’ve also never said cannibalism was an issue with me, but that doesn’t mean I am for it. Unlike some people on this blog (both right and left), I don’t feel that I have to defend every position the candidate I vote for has. I also feel it’s ok to vote for someone that I don’t agree with 100%. It’s called thinking for yourself. I realize there is no perfect candidate, so I vote for the one I think will do the best job. It gives me a lot more options. BTW, I don’t include you in that group, as you aren’t afraid to criticize those on your side you disagree with.
142. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
You clled her a housewife 1morebrincell, and not only denigrated women but all housewives as well and i will pull out that post to destroy you at every opportunity.
Those were your words, not hers. Nice try to wiggle out of that, but it’s too late. You have revealed your disdain for women.
Care to prove your evangelical numbers? And just to give you head strt, this country is nearly 90% Christian, but all are not evangelical.
143. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Casper,
But I though domestic spying was a core liberal issue that they were at odds with over Bush, yet Obama showed his support for the program.
So why would liberals compromise a core value for power?
144. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
So 3 liberals againt 1 conservative.
This is actually a fair fight, of course you could probably add one more liberal.
145. 1moreyear | August 30th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
beo, dude, yes I called her a housewife. I said yes shes more than that but not much. Yes I mean that. Is that demeaning to women? I don’t know. Are you demeaned? Again, nothing wrong with being a housewife, I wish I was a househusband. You just choose to twist as most of your “ilk” does so I’ll let it slide.
I’m quite tired of giving evidence to you regarding stated numbers. 30% IS the number plus or minus a few. BTW, you don’t have the capacity or opportunity to “destroy” me. I know it’s your right wing predilection but you just have no options here.
In terms of denigration, you’re an idiot. It has nothing to do with women. Everything to do with qualifications. I didn’t vote for Hillary in the primary for ONE reason. It wasn’t because of her qualifications. It was because I’m so tired of devision. We in this country are facing severe problems and we need to work together. This era of partisan hatred MUST end. I thought Obama had the best chance of changing that. That’s why he got my vote. That’s the only reason.
That’s all from me so say what you want. I still say this is the end for McCain.
146. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
If you want to end the division, vote for McCain and Palin. Both of them have confronted their own parties corruption head on, and McCain has reached across the aisle time and time again.
Obama has zero accomplishment of that, and Biden is one of the most partisan Senators there is.
Your choice should be obvious.
147. 1moreyear | August 30th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
I would have voted for McCain in 200 if Bush didn’t get the nod but now, I don’t think so. A little old for me. I had enough with the last days of Reagan to want someone that old in office. Just my personal call. You do as you see fit.
NONE of these folks has done ANYTHING when it comes to corruption. Corruption IS politics unfortunately. It’s foolish to think otherwise. Color me jaded but that’s how I see it.
Anyway, I thought I’d come back for a few posts but now I remember why I quit coming here as well as other blogs. No onewants to discuss or debate. It’s ALL PARTY ALL THE TIME. I’m actually a little suprised to see the SAME people here after all these years. Don’t you people have jobs or lives? Really! Do you work for the site? How else can you possibly justify many hours each day since 2003 saying the same old thing? I’ve done it for a couple the last two days and quite honsetly, you exhaust me. So I’ll give it a reast and see you in a couple of weeks/months. We’ll see who’s right and who’s wrong by then.
148. Retired Spook | August 30th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Now my question for you. Do you really think Palin is a better pick than Romney?
Sorry for the delay, Casper. My wife and I went out to dinner.
During the primaries Romney was my first choice (well, became my first choice after Thompson flamed out). I was not aware during the primaries just what a disaster Romney’s healthcare system had become in Massachusetts. Plus the DNC had a freight car load of ads ready to run on Romney’s flip-flop on abortion (not really an important issue for me but but a substantial argument against him to a lot of folks) and all the nasty comments he made about McCain during the primaries. And, lets’ face it, there are a lot of religious bigots in this country who wouldn’t vote for a McCain-Romney ticket simply because Romney is Mormon. I’m not one of them, but that’s reality.
At this point I agree with neocon — Romney would be better suited to a cabinet position like Treas. Secy.
So, to answer your question, Yes, I think the Palin choice was waaaaaaay better than Romney for VP. There were a half dozen or more possibilities who are all probably more qualified on paper than Palin, but she brings something to the table that I don’t believe anyone else could bring: likability without negativity.
I’ve spoken with over a dozen neighbors and friends since yesterday morning, mostly Republicans, but also a couple Dems and a couple Independents. The worst comment anyone made was “lack of experience”, while the most common comment was “what a neat lady. At least half the people I talked to said they hadn’t planned on voting for McCain or hadn’t made up their mind yet, but this pick was a game changer. From comments she’s made, it sounds like Kimberly has had the same experience. As I said earlier, Palin is the only pick that will allow me to vote for McCain without holding my nose. I’m just sorry so many people on this blog seemed to have passed judgment on her without even learning anything about her or hearing her speak beyond the brief comments she made in Dayton yesterday morning. I’ve been reading about her since this spring when her name first surfaced, but didn’t think she had a prayer of being McCain’s pick until about 2 hours before it was announced. I think, as people get to know her, she really is going to be a game changer.
149. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
I’ve been reading about her since this spring when her name first surfaced,
So have I Retired Spook and she is the salt of the earth. The real deal, and I couldn’t be more pleased.
Game changer is right.
150. Retired Spook | August 30th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Neocon, one additional though just came to mind, after rereading some of the earlier comments. If the nasty attacks on Palin continue, I think the Dems risk something happening that will really be a game changer. I suspect there are an awful lot of Hillary supporters who, under normal circumstances, wouldn’t dream of voting for a Republican, but they’ll going to look at the personal attacks on Palin and say, OMG, they’re doing the same thing to her that they did to Hillary. I think the Dems have to be very careful how they campaign against Palin, or it could backfire on them big time. Come to think of it, that’s another thing I like about her — she’s going to be very hard to campaign against because even though she’s a woman, she’s the antithesis of Hillary.
151. neocon | August 30th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Your assuming Hillary is a woman.
kidding, but I agree completely.
Palin will show America what a real woman is and not the pandering, empty headed jumpsuits of Clinton and Pelosi.
Palin will intimidate the hell out of Pelosi, and I simply can’t wait to watch her debate Biden.
152. Casper | August 30th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Spook,
Thanks for the answer. I have no doubt that Palin is a great person. I’ve known a lot of women like her (we have a lot here in WY). I remember sitting down with a couple of fellow students about twenty years ago and the conversation turned to the best gun to hunt elk with. The funny thing about it was it was the two women that were carrying the conversation.
I’m actually pretty happy about Palin’s nomination. It takes the qualification argument off the table. Personally, I go with the Constitution’s qualifications. All of the candidates are over 35 and all were born in the U.S. Maybe now we can talk about issues.
153. Retired Spook | August 31st, 2008 at 12:15 am
Maybe now we can talk about issues.
You know I love to rag on you, Casper. It’s mostly in good sport, although sometimes I get exasperated at your comments. In all fairness, I suspect some of mine have the same effect on you. One can only hope that we are now headed toward a campaign on the issues. Each team has a clear vision of where they want to take this country, and there is a stark contrast between the two. I don’t have a problem with either side pointing out when an opponent’s previous actions, associations or rhetoric don’t jive with what they are promising in the present, but let’s hope that personal attacks get left beside the road.
The unique and wonderful thing about our system of government is that, if we end up with a legislative or executive branch that veers off course, we are given a chance to change it every two or four years. As one of the Founders (Franklin, I think, but I’m too tired to look it up.) so aptly put it, “ours is the worst possible form of government, except for all the others.”