NIE Writers and 18% of Americans Think Iran Has Stopped Nuke Program

Latest Rasmussen survey shows a bit of good, solid sense among the American people:

Just 18% of American voters believe that Iran has halted its nuclear weapons program. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 66% disagree and say Iran has not stopped its nuclear weapons program. Twenty-one percent (21%) of men believe Iran has stopped the weapons development along with 16% of women.

The 18% we can classify as the real hard core of the kook left, just to keep things clear. I mean, you’ve got to be rather obtuse to really think that Iran has stopped its nuke program – its one thing to be an intel guy saying, “I don’t have proof”, quite another to essentially take the word of the lunatics who run Iran. I feel very confident that the 66% who believe Iran is making nuclear weapons will be confirmed in their belief…I just hope the confirmation doesn’t come in the form of a nuclear test in Iran, or a nuke set off in Tel Aviv.

37 thoughts on “NIE Writers and 18% of Americans Think Iran Has Stopped Nuke Program

  1. liberalT's avatar liberalT December 7, 2007 / 8:06 pm

    wait Mark – but I thought polls didn’t matter. That they only reflected the ignorance of the populace or the bias of the media. Or that “we can’t run government by a popularity contest”.

    Oh – right those are only the polls that disagree with your position. When they agree then they are spectacular proof of your attitude.

    Do you even care how hypocritical that is?

  2. jayhay's avatar jayhay December 7, 2007 / 8:09 pm

    Could you give us a heads up before you act like you believe in polls, since usually you trash them? It’s confusing.

    Oh, and when are you going to adhere to TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 33 Sec. 713 of the U.S. Code that defines the prohibitions on use of the Presidential seal? Though I have heard it’s use is authorized if that usage is clearly perceived as satire, so I think you’re in the clear!

    (security code words: “Hack said”. As in, “Try not to laugh at what the hack said…”

  3. Faceplant's avatar Faceplant December 7, 2007 / 8:10 pm

    “I just hope the confirmation doesn’t come in the form of a nuclear test in Iran, or a nuke set off in Tel Aviv.”

    Kind like that Iraqi mushroom cloud? I mean, DOH!

  4. Casper's avatar Casper December 7, 2007 / 8:50 pm

    “The 18% we can classify as the real hard core of the kook left, just to keep things clear.”

    So does that mean that the 20% that strongly support Bush in the latest Rasmussen Poll can be classified as the real hard core of the kook right?

  5. Kahn's avatar Kahn December 7, 2007 / 8:59 pm

    See, I don’t get it. The 18% that think there are no nukes should SUPPORT Bush for getting rid of them. Right?

  6. Almiranta's avatar Almiranta December 7, 2007 / 9:08 pm

    It appears that Mark’s post has brought out the Lemming Left in all its tinfoil-hat glory.

    Let’s see: You Lemmings loved the “intelligence” reports about the dangers in Iraq when your own guys quoted them and postured tough. You hated the same reports when our guys used them to actually back up the tough talk your guys tossed around but never had the backbone to follow up on.

    When reports came out that the materials cited in the original reports had not been found, you jumped on that like a bunch of ducks on June bugs, AS IF failing to find anything is proof it is not, much less never was, there.

    Then you got all tangled up in your hate-based rhetoric, not quite keeping track of “Bush Lied” and “Bush Deceived by Faulty Intel” and various permutations of the two, managing to simply ignore the fact that your own guys used the same intel and came to the same conclusions. (Pesky facts—must ignore.)

    Now you are a little befuddled, yet again. Do you buy into the recent “intel” because it supports your BDS and anti-American agenda, even though that means adopting an attitude of respect for an agency you have loved to call incompetent? Do you stick with the “incompetent” think even though that might mean you can’t gloat over the content?

    Ah, to hell with it. Since when do facts, consistency, or even sanity have anything to do with it? As long as you can pretend something makes conservatives look bad, you are all over it, and when you need something else, or when this position is proved false, well you just act as if it never happened and look for your next factoid and your next attack strategy.

    BTW, you would do yourselves a favor if you could take some time off the BDS Patrol and learn to tame that Rogue Apostrophe. When you’ve got your 1st-grade grammar straight, you can pontificate about presidential seals and other items of great import.

    And Rasmussen is at least a moderately respectable poll, not one of your slanted push polls. Also, it is an opinion poll on a news item, not a popularity contest. When people are asked to say who they like or dislike, those feelings are usually based on an accumulation of media information or disinformation. But this is a simple question about whether or not people believe one simple report.

  7. Christian Wright's avatar Christian Wright December 7, 2007 / 9:19 pm

    At one time 100% of the people thought the world was flat.

    That does not mean it was, does it?

    Oh, sorry. You beleive in creationism, don’t you?
    You might be a flat-earther too.

  8. Rana Quijotesca's avatar Rana Quijotesca December 7, 2007 / 9:29 pm

    I love how you think that you know more than 16 Intelligence agencies… Not like they have access to more information than you do or anything…

  9. Kahn's avatar Kahn December 7, 2007 / 9:41 pm

    Christian, when was that exactly? Do you think Columbus was out to prove it wasn’t? Better read up on it.

    Rana – thanks for supporting the administration on this.

  10. Kahn's avatar Kahn December 7, 2007 / 9:42 pm

    Oh, FYI – the French, who actually do business with Iran don’t buy it either. Whats up with that?

  11. Casper's avatar Casper December 7, 2007 / 9:47 pm

    I hope everybody realizes that the Intelligence community has been reorganized since 9/11 and that the agencies are headed by Bush appointees.
    The NIE is a document sighed off on by all the agencies.

  12. William Teach's avatar William Teach December 7, 2007 / 10:14 pm

    It appears that Mark’s post has brought out the Lemming Left in all its tinfoil-hat glory.

    I believe the proper old English term is “quislings.”

    I gotta ask: why are all you lefties so quick to believe what the best of Iran?

  13. AgentFear's avatar AgentFear December 7, 2007 / 11:25 pm

    Let’s see, the deciderer in chieferer has had poor poor Ms. Perino out there doing damage control.

    “Honest! The Preznit is truthful!

    Yep, the whole world believes that one.

    CIA tapes? Honest, the Preznit doesn’t know ANYTHING bout those either.

    Yep, gotta whole lotta believers there too.

    You have to have some sympathy for Ms. Perino. Does she sleep at night? Does she have a conscience? Does she believe lying is a sin? Is SHE lying?

    I have to admit, she’s one cool cucumber. Could you imagine going through a rough divorce with her?

    I have no fear, I believe she will someday pay the piper. Yes, she will, someday.

  14. Kahn's avatar Kahn December 7, 2007 / 11:43 pm

    Agent, why do you think he’s down talking a major victory like this? I mean as I’ve said before, taken with the victories in North Korea and Libya he’s a national freakin’ hero. Should be anyways.

    But even you? You are mad at him for disarming Iran? And what? I don’t get it. He just says we still have concerns. Obviously, since they stopped development he knows what hes doing vis-a-vis Iran. Why not let him handle it?

    He’s already shown success there and elsewhere. Ya know – it used to be that nukes was all the left ever talked about. Back when Reagan was putting Pershings in Europe, you’d march and cry and ring your hands endlessly. Thats not good enough anymore?

  15. liberalT's avatar liberalT December 8, 2007 / 12:16 am

    Victory in North Korea – you mean that they had only a partial success in their nuclear weapons test. Bush has only increased the chances of countries developing nuclear weapons. give me a break

  16. Kahn's avatar Kahn December 8, 2007 / 1:07 am

    libT – Nope, a “partial success” is a failure. AND, they’re dismantling. Did you miss that in the news? Oh well, I guess KOS didn’t talk about it much.

    Though admittedly, it was a tough nut to crack. I mean after Clinton gave them Nuke technology and all.

    You are really in denial. In 50 years, this presidency will be viewed as a success. Recovered the economy after 9/11. Destroyed an evil influence in the mid-east. And stopped three hostile countries from getting atomic weapons.

    The rest is details and footnotes.

  17. liberalT's avatar liberalT December 8, 2007 / 1:16 am

    no – they were able to have a small nuclear explosion.
    funny – 25% of Americans think this president is the worst in history now. I doubt that will change. Bush didn’t do anything and there is no evidence that they have dismantled there nuclear program .

  18. Kahn's avatar Kahn December 8, 2007 / 1:44 am

    A successful bomb? OK – whatever. Some say they did and some say they didn’t. But I’ll go ahead and agree with you. That makes the accomplishment even greater!

    Bush didn’t do anything? OK – just flat out lying now. Thats what it comes to eh?

    So – I had you stymied with the Iran thing. So now you deny North Korea?

    North Korea Agrees to Disable Nuclear Complex by Year’s End

    audioRealAudioDownload videoStreaming Video

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/july-dec07/northkorea_10-03.html

    North Korea agrees to dismantle nuclear plant

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/03/wkorea203.xml

    N Korea agrees nuclear deadline

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7025930.stm

    North Korea agrees to dismantle N-weapons

    http://dawn.com/2007/07/04/int1.htm

    US North Korea envoy in Tokyo talks

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/koreas_nuclear

    North Korea agrees to dismantle nuclear plant

    http://www.nuclearno.com/text.asp?12210

  19. Kahn's avatar Kahn December 8, 2007 / 1:44 am

    Is it because it has links?

  20. William Teach's avatar William Teach December 8, 2007 / 8:32 am

    So let me get this all straight: when we went in to Iraq, the EU started having negotiations with Iran to give up their nuclear weapons program, and the left said Bush should get involved and take a lead role and “do something,” because Iran is dangerous. So, eventually Bush gets the US involved, then the lefties go ape because Bush got the US involved. And now they are feeling vindicated because Bush never should have gotten involved.

    It seems that the part where the EU, essentially France and England, along with the IEAE, were the original leaders in saying that Iran was looking to develop nuclear weapons has disappeared from any discussion. Liberals are apparently so invested in BDS that they prefer Iran to win over their own country.

  21. Hates Cows--Male's avatar Hates Cows--Male December 8, 2007 / 8:49 am

    So does that mean that the 20% that strongly support Bush in the latest Rasmussen Poll can be classified as the real hard core of the kook right?

    Well, Casspurr, we all know that you’re not included in that 20%, being that you’re no more than a waffling puss. Have you changed parties yet, kook?

    Bush didn’t do anything and there is no evidence that they have dismantled there nuclear program .

    Doesn’t mommy have a dictionary in her basement, libretardTHC? There, their, and they’re all sound the same, but they have different meanings and uses. Moron. And btw, Bush did more than you dickweeds give him credit for–the active war on terror has brought NK and Libya to their knees, and now Iran has allegedly covertly suspended its covert nuke weapons program, a program they had no internationl rights to conduct.

    I hope everybody realizes that the Intelligence community has been reorganized since 9/11 and that the agencies are headed by Bush appointees.
    The NIE is a document sighed off on by all the agencies.

    I hope everybody realizes that Casspurr is a teacher, and that he can’t write any better than his students. He must teach fifth grade, because he’s definitely not smarter than a fifth grader. Or maybe he’s not mistaken, and this particular NIE report was “sighed off on.”

    Btw, Casspur, the beaurocrats who wrote this particular NIE are NOT Bush appointees, as are not any of the career beaurocrats in many of these agencies, especially the State Dept and the CIA. But go on, teach, and keep feeding your crap to those poor youngsters. Just don’t let them read your posts, because then you’ll have no business grading their writing. Moron.

  22. AAR's avatar AAR December 8, 2007 / 9:17 am

    Christian Wright,

    At one time 100% of the people thought the world was flat.

    At one time 100% of the people would tell you that commercial airliners filled with passengers were not used as flying missiles to destroy buildings and kill people!

    AAR

  23. liberalT's avatar liberalT December 8, 2007 / 9:36 am

    its nice to see that we are back to correcting grammar and throwing random insults rather than arguing substantive points. Dare I say that its the only thing you can do? We never got an answer to our fundamental question. Every time someone posts a poll which disagrees with your position you tell us:
    (1) the people involved the polls are misinformed
    (2) the people involved are biased by the media
    (3) it doesn’t matter anyway because “we can’t run a country on polls”
    etc..
    However, when there is a poll which you like the results it is suddenly some deep and important result. Are any of you strong enough to address this or are you just going to hurdle random insults again

  24. AAR's avatar AAR December 8, 2007 / 9:40 am

    liberalT

    funny – 25% of Americans think this president is the worst in history now.

    Nov 20: “The president, whose approval stood at 32 percent in the latest Gallup Poll – in a survey of Americans taken Nov. 11-14 – stands only marginally higher than Congress in this regard. The public’s approval for Congress stood at just 20 percent in that survey.

    “…one target in Washington held in even lower regard. Congressional approval stands at 20 percent in the latest Gallup Poll.”

    But the we still have those polls which find that 11% approve of the DO NOTHING DEMOCRAT Congress — the worst in history!

    Sep 2007: “…a paltry 11 percent rated Congress positively, beating the previous low of 14 percent in July.”

    AAR

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