This clip of Paul on Fox – he says the following regarding Huckabee’s “Merry Christmas” ad:
…reminds me of what Sinclair Lewis said, “when fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross”. I don’t know if that if a fair assessment or not but you wonder about using a cross like he is the only Christian or implying that subtly.
This is the statement of a man who doesn’t want my vote. This is a blanket insult to all Christians – that we are, somehow, on a track to fascism because we want to say “Merry Christmas” and are unafraid to proclaim our faith in the public square. Its also a stupid statement – stupid from Lewis who originally made it, and stupid for Paul to repeat it: fascism is anethema to Christianity. The two are entirely incompatible. Fascism asserts that the State may claim all – Christianity says that while we must render to Ceasar what is his, we must only render to God what belongs to God.
If there are fascists in the making out there, they are amongst the people who want to silence others with hate crimes laws and speech codes; who demand equality of result rather than of opportunity; who insist that there is a wall of separation between Church and State (actually, lefties, it is the vibrant Church which is the strongest defense against the tyranny of the State). Paul proves himself ever more to be of the rather kook fringe – whatever his good ideas are (and he has some) they are drowned out by his more bizarre beliefs.
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Neocon:
Nobody knows who or what was “the creator” or even if that concept is definable in those terms. You have faith that there was. You believe. Period.
There are no emperical facts that can prove one way or another that a benevolent, transcendent entity exists.
When man talks to “god”, it is called praying. If “god” talks back, it is schizophrenia.
Google Julain Jaynes. You might find it enlightening.
mitche,
If you need empirical data to prove the existence of a Higher Power, than I truly feel sorry for you.
I will point out that there is no empirical data that unequivocally supports man made global warming either. But you do believe in that right?
I will pray for your soul.
mitche – how about you google “kiss my ass”?
David,
That was hysterical. Thanks for the laugh.
Good one David… Funny.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
I wonder if they carefully chose the word “their” rather than just to say “the” creator. To me, “the” implies that there is one only. But “their” implies that it depends on the person.
I didn’t say I needed any, I just pointed out that there isn’t any.
You can believe anything that you want, especially that which gives you comfort and meaning. you are like most religious people.
For me religion is a buracracy between man and what ever our minds are capable of concieving about a higher power. I don’t need some systemitized format to be spiritual or in touch with (what we call ) “the spirit”. For example Buddahisim makes much more sense to me as an explaination for the universe since it’s tenets are reflective of contemporary sub atomic particle physics. I don’t believe in original sin. I don’t believe in redemption after death. I have studied at great length the nature of language and the history of religion as a concept. The origin of religion comes from magic and superstition and an awareness of death. However it is pointless for me to engage a person such as yourself in these discussions because you clearly are not the least bit courious or skeptical and you pretty much believe what you were told. As most folks. This is not a put down, but rather an observation based on your writtings. This is why any exposure to doubt is the nemisis of religious dogma.
As far as emperical evidence of mans influence on climate change, nice try. I will say that there is more evidence that mankind impacts the enviroment than there is that a “man like” god exists.
SteaM,
Most likely because the Creator created THEM!
But thee is no empirical date re: global warming so, according to your need for data, you would have to be skeptical. But I doubt your are.
I also am amused by lefties who feel comfortable qualifying people of faith. I spent the better part of my youth questioning, reading and researching everything from political authority to religious doctrine. I was born into a religious family and actually felt uncomfortable with the teachings of the church for a period of time, until I later realized that the interpretation of the Word comes from man, and therefore, flawed.
I don’t subscribe to many of the hard belief sets of the evangelicals, but I do have a strong belief in God. So you’re assuming that I “do as told”, was quite amusing. As if you, being a liberal, have many independent thoughts that aren’t influenced by socialism and other liberal belief sets.
You do understand the term “projection” right?
Now, take that same sentence and change it to:
“Most likely because their Creator created THEM!”
Does THE and THEIR seem different in any way in that context?
I also just noticed your “man like” God reference. I should have noted that before my earlier post, because this phrase unequivocally reveals your religious ignorance.
Your point?
It is nonetheless a reference to a Higher power, no?
Yes, and no.
If I say:
Necon, Merry Christmas and may God bless you.
Is that different from:
Neocon, Merry Christmas and may your God bring you blessings.
Neocon:
There is emperical data to support human influence on climate change.
Words are metaphors. Ideas come forth from concepts and God is an idea of man.
Some concepts are beyond the discriptive ability of language and therefore are understandable only in a transcendently subjective manner without the involvement of ones ego.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Oh, and BTW. You are patently incorrect when you lable me a “lefty” or adhering to the tenets of socialism. It is sad that you think that just because one is intellectually courious that they are ipso facto a “liberal”.
And yet, I “am” liberal but I am not “a” liberal.
Don’t be so narrow minded. It is unbecoming: especially during Christmas time.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you as well.
One final thought, if man would quit looking outwardly for evidence of the Creator and begin to quiet their souls and look inward, they will discover the Truth.
God lives in all of us, it is our soul, and without that we are empty vessels.
Neocon:
You channel Joseph Campbell. Congradulations!
I fully agree.
mitche,
The person who claims to be absolutely correct – as you have – is not only usually wrong, but usually a fool, into the bargain.
Sunny,
Indeed, the Founders were very careful…and thus there is no wall of separation between Church and State (such is a mere figment of leftwing imagintion); among other things not in there:
Right to an abortion; gun control; right to health care; right to marry…whole buncha things liberals think are rights but, for people who have read early American history, are clearly not rights…
Mark said:
Mark,
Wrong. There is such thing as the Separation of Church and State. It it referred to as the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the 1st Amendment.
Furthermore, the beginning of the 1st Amendment states the following:
Although the statement does not appear in the Constitution, it’s political principle is implemented at the beginning of the 1st Amendment and it’s clauses.
But hey, don’t let 230 + years of American History stand in the way of talking out of your ass, Noonan.
Jonathan and Mitche are my heroes – also as far as the seperation of church and state thing – Diana has handed Mark and neocon their asses on a platter over the subject but it appears they have not had enough so… back to Ron Paul.
Mike Huckabee has explicitly stated that God endorses his run for President(http://www2.arkansasonline.com/blogs/bible-blog/2007/nov/05/claim-god-/) so it does not suprise me that he would use his faith to sell his candidacy. And Ron was exactly right for what he said which has been perfectly reflected upon by Sunny. For all of you Ron Paul haters I would say that you probably have a suprise awaiting you next year. Not only has Ron stole away Republicans and Democrats alike and attracted a large portion of the independent vote as well as the military – he also has the support of the largest body of potential voters in this country – THE PEOPLE WHO DON’T VOTE. It is those people who do not show up in “scientific polls” so to even begin to assure yourself of his loss is highly premature. Hopefully people can now admit that his supporters don’t consist of a handful of armchair jockeys with to much time on their hands. He has earned over $18 million this quarter more than any other Republican candidate. So look back at every poll you have seen him win (meaning the majority of all nonscientific polls) and you have an idea of what his numbers will look like in the official polls next year. If you fear the message then you better start trembling now.
mark
agree on your assessment of hilary, barack, edwards
none are nova’esque superstars
but considering today’s wsj poll
the repub are super close
they deem it as a “highly competitive race”
looks like neither party has a solid star
Uncommon,
Huckabee DID NOT explicitly state that he was endorsed by God. That was a local pastor who said that.
Lie 1.
In an earlier post I described Paul as a schizophrenic with only one oar in the water. So your support of him makes perfect sense.
Good luck.
Mark:
Where did I claim I was absolutely correct and in what context?
Human “rights” come from humans, not an unknowable transcendent entity which can be described as a creation of our imagination. (Or substitute the word “mind” for imagination because that is what our mind does.)
As far as the items you list, the constitution is a living document and has evolved as society and culture has over the past 230+ years.
If you don’t like it, build a time machine and go back to 1776 and then let us here on planet earth know for sure what they meant.
You have shown yourself; once again, to be an authoritarian. Run and hide from the scary idea of being liberal.
Much to your dismay, the United States is liberal democracy. And your BFF Cheney and GWB have tried to export our liberalism to Iraq. Or did you convieniently forget that part??
Merry Christmas.