That famed Lancet study which claimed that 650,000 Iraqis had been killed as a result of the liberation? Partially funded by anti-war, anti-Bush fanatic George Soros:
A STUDY that claimed 650,000 people were killed as a result of the invasion of Iraq was partly funded by the antiwar billionaire George Soros.
Soros, 77, provided almost half the £50,000 cost of the research, which appeared in The Lancet, the medical journal. Its claim was 10 times higher than consensus estimates of the number of war dead.
The study, published in 2006, was hailed by antiwar campaigners as evidence of the scale of the disaster caused by the invasion, but Downing Street and President George Bush challenged its methodology.
New research published by The New England Journal of Medicine estimates that 151,000 people – less than a quarter of The Lancet estimate – have died since the invasion in 2003.
“The authors should have disclosed the [Soros] donation and for many people that would have been a disqualifying factor in terms of publishing the research,” said Michael Spagat, economics professor at Royal Holloway, University of London.
The Lancet study was commissioned by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and led by Les Roberts, an associate professor and epidemiologist at Columbia University. He reportedly opposed the war from the outset.
The lies being perpetrated by the anti-war forces grow more astounding all the time – its gotten so bad that we must, henceforward, work on the assumption that any really bad report about the War on Terrorism in general, or the liberation of Iraq in particular, is – at best – incorrect and – at worst – an outright fabrication. In a way, this is entirely unsurprising – the anti-war movement’s foundation stone, as it were, is ANSWER – Act Now to Stop War and End Racism. ANSWER was formed on September 14, 2001 – a mere three days after the 9/11 attacks and its purpose, from the start, was to undermine any American effort to respond to the attacks. ANSWER’s primary founders came from the Workers World Party – a hard-core, communist party dedicated to the destruction of the United States as we know it. So hardcore is the Workers World Party that they actually have kind things to say about North Korea, and they applauded the massacre of the democrats by the Chinese government in Tienamen Square. Of course, the anti-war movement has gained adherents from all sorts of different organizations since September 14th, 2001 – but by taking their cue from ANSWER, the anti-war movement has been shot through with lies from the get-go.
I was warning leftwingers early on that they should keep their distance from any movement even remotely connected to ANSWER – it all fell on deaf ears; so eager are lefties to believe the worst about the United States that they easily swallowed whatever ANSWER peddled. Lie down with dogs, come up with fleas – and the anti-war left needs about a dozen flea collars just to get rid of the ANSWER bugs planted in their midst.
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more proof that Mark Noonan NEVER tries to demonize those he disagrees with huh…
Sigh. So are you saying that anytime someone sponsors a study it means that results are biased? care to come up with any counter study? No – you don’t believe in actual data do you..
liberalT,
Errr…well, not to try and make you look too foolish, but there has been a well-reported counter-study which called into questions the methodology and results of the Lancet study alleging 650,000 Iraqi deaths…and the point of this report is that the older, now debunked, study was run by an ardent anti-war person and funded by an anti-Bush, anti-war fanatic. Given that we know the older report was flawed added to the fact that people of the anti-war cause were deeply involved in creating the flawed study, the conclusion is easily drawn that they were cooking up a bit of defeatist propaganda.
What I’m doing is tying this back to the anti-war origins…which date from just three days after 9/11, and originate with a communist, avowedly anti-American group. Aren’t you the slightest bit curious about this? I mean, the origins of the current anti-war movement are a group which defends the North Korean government and founded the current anti-war movement while we were still searching for bodies in the rubble of WTC…doesn’t that strike you as something to be concerned about? Strike you as an indicator of a horrendous anti-American bias which, hey, just might creep into anti-war reporting?
Posts like these really show that it’s not truth that you are after – you merely wish to be an agent of partisan spin.
Contrast this study with the many studies you’ve put up which seek to debunk global warming. In most cases, you’ve known the authors or funders of those studies to be acting in either a partisan or economic self-interest. In those cases however, you warn your audience up front that any comments which try to discredit the report on the basis of the source’s motivations will be deleted. Yet here, you do precisely that.
Accordingly, I’ll say you can rightly challenge the methodology used to estimate the civilian dead, but you certainly have no basis (or at least have made no case) that the study is made up of “lies”.
If I were to accept the logic of this post (and I don’t), I could only conclude that any right-wing connected reports on global warming are “at best – incorrect and – at worst – an outright fabrication”.
You can’t have it both ways.
As an aside, you throw the accusation of “lies” around quite freely when you speak of the left. I wonder, is that because you believe that conservatism is the side of God and that liberalism is the side of Satan and therefore anything a liberal like George Soros says must be a lie? I can’t think of any other rationalization for the blanket accusations of lying that pepper your posts.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
These folks estimate less than 100k.
Ive figured on this being closer to reality than anything liberals have posted in the last 4 years. They actually maintain a database accessible on the web by anyone, it adds to credibility.
In typical lib fashion, the libs attack the messenger and not the message.
“more proof that Mark Noonan NEVER tries to demonize those he disagrees with huh…
Sigh. So are you saying that anytime someone sponsors a study it means that results are biased? care to come up with any counter study? No – you don’t believe in actual data do you..”
Again, your foolishness explodes…….uh, apply your twisted logic to that of the “global warmind” dissenters……you know, the ones you always claim ” are funded by big oil and are not credible.”.
Useful idiots indeed.
The left has touted the study in the Lancet as evidence “bacause it was in a noted PEER REVIEWED JOURNAL”
If the agenda of the epidemiologist that commissioned the study and the involvement of Soros in funding the study had been revealed, the study would never been published in Lancet as research
““The authors should have disclosed the [Soros] donation and for many people that would have been a disqualifying factor in terms of publishing the research,” said Michael Spagat, economics professor at Royal Holloway, University of London.”
It wa more than likely rejected by the New England Journal, because of this. NEJ has the most rigid standards for research and is the most difficult medical journal in which to get an article published.
The leftist posts above are typical of rejecting out of hand anything that does not correspond to their leftist view of the world. The socialist religion is intolerant of other ideas.
“There is no truth but leftist truth and Soros is its prophet”
“There is not truth but leftist truth and Algore is its prophet”
It was 650,000. It is now 2.1m with another 2m who fled the country due to the uncontrollable sectarian violence.
The Bushies are lying. The surge is not working. A walk through the local morgue shows the official death statistics and the bodies don’t match.
That’s right Christian, you racist fear mongerer. The New England Journal is aligned with Bush and they’re both lying, right?
You know the truth, having never been there and only knowing what your left wing masters feed you. And don’t let objectivity get in the way of your agenda. You’re a dutiful servant.
Oh, I don’t know about that ‘surge is not working’ business. Why doesn’t the New York Times talk about Iraq much anymore?
Because it’s working.
Despite their featuring jihadi Bin Laden sympathizing bloggers and toting water for their terrorist heroes.
The editor for the Lancet, Richard Horton, replaces science with lies.
Huh. Just like the IPCC Panel.
In addition, Horton has appeared on stage spewing his hatred with the notorious “Gorgeous” George Galloway.
And of course they spout the communist anti-war mumbo jumbo-Galloway was at one time a member of the Soviet Revolutionary Communist party – or some such equivalent.
Someone needs to grab Soros and take his traitor ass right to the Canadian or Mexican border, push him over and tell him to stay out.
Does any of you guys know where I can find some Anti-McCain material. He is not right for Michigan. Mitt or Huckabee gotta win in Michigan.
Eric T,
Romney, Romney, Romney. Vote Mitt!
As far as McCain; McCain/Feingold CFR or McCain/Kennedy Immigration bill should suffice, no?
Plus, McCain doesn’t know jack about navigating the economic waters that will be so important in 2008, nor does Huckabee.
People forget about those 5,000 to 6,000 Iraqi children which the U.N. estimated were dying each month as a result of the U.N. sanctions to keep Saddam in check.
At that rate, between 1,425,000 and 1,710,000 — roughly 1.5 MILLION — children would have died under the U.N. sanctions if Saddam had remained in power. How many more years would those sanctions and deaths have continued if President Bush and Tony Blair had not stopped them?
And people forget too…
” …history may judge that the stronger case was the one that needed no inspectors to confirm: that Saddam Hussein, in his 23 years in power, plunged this country into a bloodbath of medieval proportions, and exported some of that terror to his neighbors.”
“…Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam’s needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam’s reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam’s 8,000-odd days in power”
“…suggested that the number of those who have “disappeared” into the hands of the secret police, never to be heard from again, could be 200,000.”
“Kurdish groups estimate Anfal’s victims were … up to 180,000 … Human Rights Watch concluded that ‘the Iraqi regime committed the crime of genocide.’ Anfal’s intense phase lasted three months in the spring of 1988. If we estimate its victims at 100,000, the regime was killing Kurds alone at a rate of around 30,000 each month, or a thousand a day.
“The number of Kurds who died in 1991–killed by Saddam’s forces or fleeing them–is estimated at 50,000 to 80,000. This range would have been much higher, except that the Gulf War Allies intervened in Iraq’s north in response to the massive flow of desperate Kurdish refugees escaping the regime’s onslaught.”
“Saddam Hussein’s government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad residents, a number significantly higher than previously believed…”
“…occupation authority in Iraq has said that at least 300,000 people are buried in mass graves in Iraq. Human rights officials put the number closer to 500,000, and some Iraqi political parties estimate more than 1 million were executed.”
“Another 60,000 people are believed to have been killed when Saddam violently suppressed rebellions by Shiite Muslims in the south and Kurds in the north at the close of the 1991 Gulf War.”
And let’s not forget all of that REAL TORTURE Saddam conducted in his torture chambers each and every day!!!
The terrorists will be defeated… the internal violence will end… the associated deaths will stop… and Iraq will become a stable, self-governing nation — WITHOUT Saddam Hussein, his barbaric sons, and his murderous regime!
Fortunately, President Bush had the will and determination to end Saddam’s regime, and Saddam’s killing and torture which would otherwise have continued INDEFINITELY under Saddam and his even more barbaric!!!
AAR
Mitt is from Michigan he is doing OK in the polls but McCain is supported by the media and local news paper. I hear you on Mitt being for good economy. his plans are polished and well thought. I like Huck because he has the 2nd Amendment right and he has the moral fiber to lead and resist the temptation of scandals, greed, self-interest. Those two have the good qualities that remind me of G.W. Bush. And are the best choices to fill his shoes or Cheney’s. If we get Obama and Hillary we will all be casturated, the immigrants will flood the country and be on affirmative action and our taxes will go up 60-75% to pay for it.
McCain may have some good points on foreign policy but wrong on everything else. If you come across any Anti- Mccain stuff post it.
Mark-
I am surprised you haven’t had a post about the debaathification law being passed. It is a clear victory for the Bush surge. Now Bush is saying troop reductions may not proceed as planned. Interesting stuff. Yet you post about Soros and a two year old study with dubious results. Have you read about the WHO study released that says the number is closer too 350,000 killed? Go Colts!!!
Soros is the mastermind of cut and run. He turned the democrats into a bunch of sissies. Now look at where we are. Al Qaida in Iraq completely destroyed, no more civil war, violence WAY down. The dems need Soros for finance and media control. His assets should be seized for his treason.
err Mark – you are not making me look foolish. I am well aware of the other studies. My point is that you clearly didn’t read either of the studies or attempt to understand which one is closer to the real number. At any rate – even the “counter” study even comes up with a number which is around 100K. A number which – although obviously lower – is still incredibly and ridiculously high to be throwing around. You simply like the fact that
(a) its a lower number
(b) you believe it supports your position more.
Note that never in any of your posts did you discuss any of the actual reasoning discussed in the study. You just found out that it was funded by someone you disagree with politically and start ranting and shouting to the wind.
whatever the real number is – it horribly high. You seem to think that if it were “only 100K” then everything would be Ok. How many people live in your town? Can you imagine if 100K of them were dead tomorrow?
What if they wanted to die for you, LiberalT?
What if 100K wanted to die tomorrow for you, or next month, or next year, and the year after, and the year after, LiberalT?
Would you care? Nope, you sure wouldn’t, you would rather see all of us dead.
~ Jeremiah
uh? so now you are saying that that the Iraqi’s who died *wanted* to die for us? Thats a whole new level of insane denial Jerry. Nice going.
tr
Oh, ok, mistake noted. My bad, this is about ‘civilian deaths’.
I was referring to U.S. Troops.
Anyways, the number of Iraqi deaths is proof that you don’t mess with the U.S.
Iran should take heed, ya know, or they’ll get the same thing. Of course, I know they won’t heed the advice. Too bad for them.
~ Jeremiah
Liberal T-
The liberal extremist Soros’cut and run’ media created a situation by enraging the Islamic militias when they published worldwide, the Abu Graib scandal for their political purposes. Hence created a anti-American enviroment for the Al Qaida to bring chaos to the region.
I hope whoever brought the story to the news. And the people that did’not use good judgement and broadcast it to the world are also tried for treason with George Soros.
So out of your 100,000 deaths how many are the media responsible for?
Saddam had what 19 santions he did not comply with. Let’s say your hero Obama is now running the show and Pakistan violates some sanctions and Obama calls for military action. ?
Here is a New England study of the mortality in Iraq, I thought it might be helpful. See what you can come up with in it.
Iraqi Mortality
~ Jeremiah
LiberalT,
The point still remains – the earlier study claiming 650,000 deaths was touted to the skies by you on the left; that study has now been demonstrated to be wrong; that study was funded by an anti-war fanatic, and controlled by an ardently anti-war person.
If there were a study done saying that, oh, 10,000 Iraqis had died and a further study showed that study to be grossly flawed and you then found out the study was conducted by Dick Cheney’s brother in law and funded by Haliburton, what would you say of the motivations of those who conducted and funded the study?
Get over yourself, liberalT – I know your parents and teachers told you were very smart and just a wonderful person…but you really don’t a tenth of what you think you know.
Listen. Learn.
Here are some more interesting facts on ANSWER since no one from the left has even addressed that part of Mark’s post:
– Anti-war front group for the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party
– Run by Ramsey Clark’s International Action Center, which is staffed by members of the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party (WWP). This is obviously the same Ramsey Clark who was Carter’s Attorney General & later defended Saddam during his trial.
– ANSWER held its initial mass demonstrations on September 29, 2001 in Washington, DC and San Francisco. These rallies drew 25,000 and 15,000 participants, respectively, to protest the Bush administration’s impending invasion of Afghanistan, whose Taliban regime had aided and abetted the al Qaeda terrorist network responsible for 9/11.
– Opposes embargo against Communist Cuba
– Supports convicted cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
On a side note, I actually went to their web site. It was funny to see that their online store sold anti-war items along with Che Guevera t-shirts and other items. I guess they are anti-war unless the war is designed to spread murder and Marxism throughout the world.