Ah, nothing like the thesis of a liberal (PDF) for intersting items:
…My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my “Blackness” than ever before. I have found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong…
Stokely Carmichael and Charlie Hamilton’s (1967) developed definitions of separationism in their discussion of Black Power which guided me in the forumlation and use this concept in this study:
The concept of Black Power rests of this fundamental premise: Before a group can enter the open society, it must close ranks. By this we mean that group solidarity is necessary before a group can operate effectively from a bargaining position of strength in a pluralistic society.
Thus, Carmichael and Hamilton define separationism as a necessary stage for the development of the Black community before this group integrates into the “open society”.
All really good liberal mental gobblydegook – the sort of “thinking” which you get when you are just repeating back what a leftist told you. Trouble is, this lady might be the person who gets first and last crack at advising the President of the United States every day. I guess Michelle Obama doesn’t have as much pull in 2008 as Hillary had in 1992 in getting her thesis locked away. I wonder, however, what we might find in any thesis written by Barack? Would there be, for instance, anything like Michelle’s assertion that black (errr…I mean Black) politicians are to pretend to be working with Whites when they are actually advancing the Black community?
…They discuss the problems which face these Black officials who must persuade the White community that they are above issues of race and that they are representing all people and not just Black people…
Its going to be a very fun and interesting fall campaign…
Blogs For Victory 
could you possibly be any more ridiculous Mark
here is the quote
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The concept of Black Power rests of this fundamental premise: Before a group can enter the open society, it must close ranks. By this we mean that group solidarity is necessary before a group can operate effectively from a bargaining position of strength in a pluralistic society.
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the key bit is when she states that GROUP SOLIDARITY IS NECESSARY BEFORE A GROUP CAN OPERATE EFFECTIVELY
that is just saying that the black community has to work together not against itself..
But keep trying – your pathetic attempts are the death throws of the Bush doctrine.
liberalT,
It is a racist statement. Period. End of story.
“The concept of Black Power rests of this fundamental premise”
Really? It should read like this;
The concept that Black Power exists rests solely upon the conclusion tha White Power, Red Power and Brown Power exists as well.
The only fundamental premise that we should observe is the each power is equal in both class and stature, and none come before or behind any other, but can only survive as equals.
explain to me how it is racist? I seriously don’t understand
How Noonan is that statement racist? I don’t get it? DuBois said as much of the same a doctrine of understanding what it means to be black is necessary before any integration could begin into a society that is ill prepared to accept the black woman and the black man as anything but equals or betters in any given situation. What we are touching is the water’s edge of the greatest problem facing America today and that is racism. It is the poisoned well from which all other sufferings come.
But to all conservatives a united front against their ideas is always a scary proposition isn’t it?
What will it be next Noonan if Obama is the Democratic nominee, will you passing out pickaninny dolls at the GOP convention with Michelle Obama’s face on it? How far will the GOP go toward the racist reactionary fringe of its party to smear the other side? How long will it take for them to show their true colors?
Mark,
While I do not see what the issue is with her thesis..it is interesting you are trying to pass judgment on someone based on something they wrote 22yrs ago.
Would it be correct to judge you based on your actions and how you carried yourself say 10 yrs ago?
Are you the same man today as you were 10 yrs ago?
I’m not trying to be harsh, but you havent exactly led a stellar life. I’m pretty certain you would not appreciate being judged on what you did 10 yrs ago…yet you are quick to pass judgment based on a 22yr old thesis.
You are an interesting dichotomy.
Brett,
I, however, renounce and reject my errors of 22 years ago – my slavish devotion to error back then is anethema to me. Michelle is going to have to reject what she wrote, or explain to us why a racist should be allowed into the White House.
How do you know what she has and has not rejected?
FrmMarine
If a church is encouraging Black people to focus on:
1) God
2) Community
3) Family
4) Education
5) Excellence
6) Work ethic
7) Self-Discipline & Self-respect
etc…
Why are you so against that?
You have consistently mentioned my race over and over again (event though I mentioned I was black in only one thread)
Im suspect you have an issue with black people being proud of their race and wanting to do everything they can to get them out of welfare and out of a state of dependency.
Why do you have such an issue with that? You cant stand an uppity & proud nigger can ya?
It is just like I wrote in an email to Mark Noonan. No matter what accomplishments I ever make in life, people like you will always look at me as an uppity nigger. You will never look at the fact I have an education, that I am Marine, and that I have a wonderful family.
God forbid I happen to also be proud that I am black and that I want to help my race.
Im glad you are a former and not a current marine. There must be a reason for that.
“Before a group can enter the open society, it must close ranks.”
When the Irish first came to America, especially when the came in the 1840’s, they were rejected by American society. In fact, a Black man in the North would be hired before an Irishman. What the Irish did was close ranks and become politically active. They voted for each other in office. Before you knew it, nearly every cop, firefighter and local politician was of Irish descent, especially in places like Boston and Chicago.
I think the Pole and Italians did the same thing.
To understand the racist element in the premise of black power, just contrast it against Martin Luther’s Dream, that men (and women) would be judged by the content of the character not the color of their skin.
Seems to me that the premise argues the exact opposite position, that men (and women) be judged by their blackness first…respect me because I am black. This is the mentality of a street thug.
How, Noonan, is that statement racist?
Because he needs it to be racist in order for his attack on Barack Obama’s wife to function. (He’s attacking Obama’s wife, by the way, because so far, his attacks on Obama himself have been failures.) Remember: To Noonan, whatever he believes is absolute truth. So if he believes that the statement is racist, then it’s racist, even if it isn’t.
Brett,
It is up to her to so advise us – she can’t leave us guessing.
phnx,
But they don’t want any part of King’s dream – to the left, King is just window-dressing on a desire to have everyone judged by their skin color, their gender, their sexual activities…they are mindless on such things and don’t even understand the monstrousness of their beliefs.
She would have done better to go to a school that believed in Republican ideals of self determination and responsibility. Instead, she went to schools that see blacks (at best) in a paternalistic “they need to be cared for” manner. The discrimination of low expectations. Of course at worst, “liberalism” sees blacks as a group of unselfsustaining chumps whose votes can be bought with addictive government largess.
Again with the attacks on a candidate’s wife. It can’t be long before you go after his children and/or his pets. (“Barack’s dog licks his own butt! We can’t have that in the White House!”)
Put aside the fact that these kind of attacks make the attacker (you) look desperate and hysterical and actually gain sympathy for the attacked.
I just want to ask you again, why do you demand that Michelle Obama explain what she meant in her 20+ year old thesis? If she rejected it, would you vote for her? No. Would you even have the decency to acknowledge that she addressed it? No, you would say that her denial was not strong enough, a lie, and/ or evidence of flip-flopping. Time and time again, you’ve shown that you hate anyone with a ‘D’ after their name, why would they bother courting you?
In short, the overwhelming majority of the thinking, reasonable world doesn’t care what a candidate’s wife wrote in a 22 year old thesis. Why should the candidate or his wife bother to address the few crazies like you who do care?
My fellow Republicans in Texas should do McCain a favor march 4th…Vote for hillary in the primary. Make our friends job easier.
Fred,
Not so sure about that – I’ve just started on Michelle’s thesis as has the rest of the conservative blogosphere…and with Obama making boneheaded statements on foreign policy, it might turn out that Obama is just as beatable as Hillary…though, come what may, it is in our interest to keep the Democratic nomination up in the air for as long as possible.
steveGA,
Because if she doesn’t address the issue, it will start to work like acid on her husband’s campaign. Issues like these can’t be left hanging, as John Kerry discovered in 2004. She faces it squarely, now, or Obama will face it indirectly in October and November.
This isn’t about securing my support – this is about allaying the continuing doubts amongst swing voters who will actually decide the election. Obama says he wants to be President of all Americans…fine; but it seems that Mrs. Obama views a black politician as someone who’s supposed to PRETEND to work with white politicians, but who is actually engaged only in advancing the cause of the black community.
Mark: I’ve just started on Michelle’s thesis as has the rest of the conservative blogosphere…
Was that intended to be some kind of admission that you’re getting instructions from some kind of central command?
Mark,
If you think a 22 year old thesis, written by a candidate’s wife, is going to turn the election around, I have some land in Antarctica to sell you. Outside of the conservative blogosphere, I doubt that anyone really cares. Frankly, this is just silly.
Casper,
Not in and of itself – and you’ve been around me long enough to know that I didn’t mean that at all. But these things are like acid – and their effect is culmulative. By itself – no problem. Added to the other questions about Obama – deadly.
Ricorun,
No – just that it will be read by a large number of people and it will be very well-dissected over the next week or two…and if the first few pages are an indicator, the thesis will be a mother lode of foolish, lefty statements for us to take issue with.
Mark,
The problem with attacks like this is that they look petty. It has very little to do with Obama or his policies and all to do with trying to bring him down any way possible.
I felt the same way in 2000 when people on the other side were trying to link Bush’s grandfather to the Nazis. It was silly then and it’s silly now.