Seems that a liberal can’t crawl enough before it:
ROME, FEB. 27, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Senator Barack Obama’s claim that it was a “mistake” to vote in favor of an attempt to save the life of Florida woman Terri Schiavo is a statement that “dismisses life,” said her brother.
Bobby Schindler, the executive director of the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation, told ZENIT today that the senator’s comment “dismisses life in favor of death.” Schindler is in Rome to participate in the Pontifical Academy for Life’s congress titled “Close By the Incurable Sick Person and the Dying: Scientific and Ethical Aspects.”
Schindler also received an award today on behalf of his parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, from the Italian Movement For Life and Science and the association Life Rome for the couple’s efforts to fight on behalf of their daughter’s life, whose death was induced by the court-ordered removal of her feeding tube in 2005…
…During a presidential debate in Cleveland, Ohio, on Tuesday with Senator Hillary Clinton, Obama said of his vote in favor of the attempt to save Schiavo’s life: “It was not something I was comfortable with, but it was not something that I stood on the floor and stopped.
“And I think that was a mistake, and I think the American people understood that that was a mistake. As a constitutional law professor I knew better. I think that’s an example of inaction, and sometimes that can be as costly as action.”
Given the number of times Obama has votes “present” or failed to vote at all, I can’t see where he think that “inaction” is a bad thing. For all of Obama’s rhetoric about hope all I can see in him now is the spindly, decayed finger of despair – a hideous malformation of hope, which has twisted itself into being the advocate of hopelessness – thus the utter degradation of modern liberalism.
Contrast this nauseating sell-out of basic human decency to John McCain’s views:
There is no greater nobility than to sacrifice for a great cause and no cause greater than protection of human dignity. Decency, human compassion, self-sacrifice and the defense of innocent life are at the core of John McCain’s value system and will be the guiding principles of a McCain Presidency.
If you are pro-life, there is only one person to vote for in November.
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John McCain’s defense of life is so refreshing! This issue was the reason I couldn’t wholeheartedly support Guiliani as president. With John McCain, I know that he is pro-life and will act to protect and preserve the life of every America, even unborn Americans.
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Mark – the fact of the matter is that Terry Shivo was brain dead. Indeed this was diagnosed and not contested by any legitimate medical professional. A terrible tragedy happened to her – but she was completely gone. Further it was only the fact that she did not have a signed legal document indicating her desires which she told her husband and friends that if she was ever left in a vegetative state that she wished to not be kept alive by artificial methods that the issue ever came up.
Somehow though you so horribly misconstrue the situation that you turn into liberals being ‘pro-death’. Nobody is pro-death. Your really really sick you know Mark.
The TX bill was for terminally ill patients.
Terry S. was not in the same class. Her heart beat, she was aware of her surroundings, all she needed was someone to make sure she was fed.
He husband and his doctors fed her through a tube into her stomach. They refused to try to get her to eat, and refused tests that would indicate if she could.
The courts rejected medical doctors reports that Terry S. could have benefited from care and therapy that her husband had denied her since 1991.
Terry was not brain dead. She responded to voice and visual and touch. Her eyes opened and she looked around. Thats a long way from terminally ill.
That was a petty shallow move CW.
‘Somehow though you so horribly misconstrue the situation that you turn into liberals being ‘pro-death’. Nobody is pro-death.”
I guess you dont consider abortion to be death.
If you want to ague on some religious basis that we should never let anyone die under any circumstances – even if it was their express wish – then that is one thing. Thats a separate debate. But the case is quite clear in medical terms and js is just simply making things up
Look – if you actually bother to read any of the case history (which is not difficult to do) you find that time after time she was examined by neurologists, psychologists, and other medical professionals who consistently ruled that she was in a permanent vegetative state.
Further her brain weighed 50% of a normal woman’s brain and 70% of the cortical cells were dead.
In sum – the diagnosis is clear . she was not aware of her surroundings. she did not respond to anyone . And certainly it was not just that “she needed someone to help feed her” as js would have us believe.
Look its clear that you simply want to avoid all the demonstrated facts of the case. For some reason your religious beliefs are overriding any sense of logical conclusion.
the special, saturday session by congress was unacceptable federal interference into a states’ rights issue!
this shameful kowtowing to single issue constituents w/in the gop, turned-off many true conservatives I personally know & caused me to re-register as an indie.
remember “true” conservatives (?) – balance the damn budget, respect states’ rights, REDUCE the size of govt, etc
I’ll say again – “social conservatives” are just another variation of intrusive, big govt supporters & have driven the party into the minority on the fed & state levels.
“i guess you don’t consider abortion to be death”
Two things
(1) you cannot die if you never lived. Insisting that life begins at conception is something I cannot understand on any scientific basis. I guess if you are deeply religious perhaps. But arguing that a few celled blastocyte is the same is a baby is just not scientifically sound
(2) a typical lie from the right is that the left is “pro-abortion”. It flows of your tongue as if we think its entertaining or enjoyable. Nobody is “pro-abortion” in that sense. People are for women having the right to terminate – or abort . Saying that we are “pro-abortion” is like saying people who are for the death penalty are “pro-death”
Clearly just stupid
js | February 29th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Thank you for that “fact” filled medical diagnosis Dr.js.
I was just witnessed a similar situation with friends of my spouse’s in-laws. The husband and kids agonized for days. After seeing how these decisions are made first hand my message to js and Mark is butt out of these people’s lives. Quit playing doctor, spiritual counselor, judge and jury; no one on this earth is so pure.
oh yea, don’t tell me Roe is crappy federal law & turn around & support this schiavo nonsense!
oh yea, one other thing there 4 all the single issue social “conservatives” (not)…
where’s ur damn outrage at all those fertility clinics destroying embyros AT THE DIRECTION OF THE OWNERS…that is, the parents.
it is settled law that fertility clinic embyros ARE PROPERTY.
deal w it.
It was also settled law at one point that slaves were property. Point is, the law is wrong sometimes.
so where’s the outrage over fertility clinics CeCe…
the demonstrations, blogging, rush, hannity, etc?
nowhere.
‘cept 4 Roe huh?
hypocrytical social “conservatives” runied the gop.
buckley (RIP) would’ve been horrifed by the single issue socials ABSOLUTELY DRIVING THIS GOP INTO PERMENANT BACKBENCHERS, FED & STATE.
Noonan,
“If you are pro-life, there is only one person to vote for in November.”
Wrong. The vast majority of American voters would concur that in this day and age, to make abortion (or any other social issue) the central issue of the election is pure stupidity.
Many people who consider themselves pro-life will probably vote for a Democrat, because they can’t stand the killing that’s happening in Iraq every day. Maybe they’ll vote for a Democrat because even though they are conservative socially, they are compassionate and sensible enough to realize that the government, especially federal, has no business mandating who can marry whom and who must deliver their unborn child. What is this, the Soviet Union?
Partisanship is a terrible thing. Look what it’s done to people on this site!
We find it a curiosity that the sole event that is certain to take place in the course of human existence causes such rancor amongst persons with divergent political ideologies.
Kipling is correct in his display of the medical facts that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state and that the major mass of her brain had indeed liquefied rendering her personality irretrievable under the current and likely near future capability of Terran medicine.
This matter is made a more religious one because of the implications it has for a religion that is struggling to maintain its status along with a race of persons who are not breeding at a rate to remain in a majority to the end of the current century. The irrational comments of js in #8 and #9 bear this out with clear desperation despite the facts of the case having been offered.
For those with blind faith, the version which We, Ourselves, know is purely destructive for it does not allow one to see alternatives to a decided course, no tonnage of facts will ever outweigh the grain of sand that their world is made of no matter how professionally presented or damningly obvious.
We understand the font from which such minds spring but We do not pity them their fantasies for while they live it is not Our duty to judge them. The Law however is clear as is the direction that some in America would love to take the country. Fortune has smiled on the greatest on Terra that those who would wrap themselves in theocratic nonsense have little to no chance in gaining any greater power to govern than they most recently had in the Congress.
Most consumers, and Americans are great consumers, are more concerned with matter corporeal as they relate to government than the gossamer matters that Noonan gleans from his Catholic talking points news sources.
We do delight in seeing him fight the “good fight” however!
Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!
Ohio, there is condemnation of the practices of fertility clinics among those who are pro-life. I have read many pro-life blogs on this subject. As for hannity, et al, I really don’t listen to much of them. They would have to speak for themselves.
Roe is horrible federal law because it bestows on some human beings a private license to kill other human beings. Is this really a legitimate right? One that should be federally protected?
We so called permanent backbenchers won how many presidencies for the GOP? I could be wrong, Ohio, but I am pretty sure that Buckley was pro-life.
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“…they are compassionate and sensible enough to realize that the government, especially federal, has no business mandating who can marry whom and who must deliver their unborn child. What is this, the Soviet Union?” – Brian G.
Exactly! This is what really amazes me about this site. Self proclamined ‘conservatives’ here will fight tooth and nail against abortion and same sex marriage yet in the next thread argue that socialism is the devil and government needs to be limited. The hypocrisy from thread to thread is truly astounding.
kipling,
By its fruit shall the tree be known – you can say you’re not for death all you want, but the position of the so-called “pro-choice” movement seems to result in a very high number of corpses…at least those in favor of the death penalty (which ranks do not include myself) clearly state what they are in favor of – death for criminals. You in the culture of death are too cowardly for such clear speaking – you’re for “choice” as if the making of a choice is more important than what is chosen.
Sorry if I drip with contempt for your position, but it is a contemptible view to hold.
I do not see how this issue of abortion should be a qualifier when determining who should be President. Yet we hear it here, “If you are Anti-choice, vote for McCain,”
The last time I checked, the United States was not a Theocracy, and Abortion is very legal.
With the republican economy about to implode, with the Nation in a Recession, With the nation in a useless, pointless, war, republicans are asked to determine the next president, upon the question if they are Pro choice or Anti Choice, ignore the true problems of the nation they say.
I will vote for the person who will pull us out of the war. I will vote for the person who will seal up the disastrous tax cuts to the upper 5% of the rich, I will vote for the person who protects our economy from cheap imports and cheep labor.
I will not use Abortion to determine who is President.
And I consider pulling our troops out of Iraq the most important reason to vote for a candidate. The next important factor is the Economy and ending the Disastrous Tax cuts to the wealthy, Then ending the “Every child left behind” act and enacting true educational reforms. These are the reasons I will vote for the candidate of my choice.
Abortion is not on my list as a qualifier. its not important. Ending the military occupation and the disastrous war in Iraq, the Economy and Education are my big three qualifiers and are most Important.
SAR,
You might want to figure out what, exactly, hypocrisy entails – conservatism is all about adhering to truth…the truth is, we must not abort; we must not have same sex marriage; we must not steal the property of one and give it to another; we must defend ourselves against attack…you live in a very strange world if you think that because someone is in favor of low taxes he must therefor be in favor of murdering unborn children…