The more we learn, the less we like:
Barack Obama had been a presidential candidate for more than a year before he outright repudiated his long-time pastor for racially charged, anti-U.S. sermons. But when talk show host Don Imus was in hot water 11 months ago for racially insensitive comments, Obama was the first candidate to call for his firing.
When asked about the different responses to his pastor and to Imus, Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor questioned the premise of the comparison and defended Obama’s response in each case.
“He spoke out both times, so it’s entirely consistent,” he told FOXNews.com Tuesday.
Obama’s people must think we’re all idiots – or, knowing that for now only the lefties matter (ie, for the nomination) they realise that idiocy will go over well with their core supporters, and they figure the rest of us will forget this stuff by September. “Spoke out both times” doesn’t cut it, Vietor…he called for Imus to be fired for a poorly crafted joke…Wright goes on endless, racist, anti-American rants and Obama de-facto says he’s just a bit out there from time to time…
hyp·o·crite – noun – 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Or, failing that, just a picture of Obama will do…
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ear bama’s got to dissavow every word he never heard! (nuck, nuck, nuck…)
ooo, I know – he slept thru all the sermons!
wait, can’t say that cause Hillary will say “not even I sleep thru all the sermons”.
Yesterday, McCain was asked about this Wright controversy and he defended Obama.
McCain said that just because someone supports you, it does not mean you support everything that supporter said.
For all his failings, McCain is a good man and a class act. You guys should learn from him.
Noone in thier right minds would elect a racist into the office of the POTUS. I doubt you would find McCain endorsing that idea.
Then again, McCain didnt tithe at the Trinity Church for two decades either, and didnt get married in a racist church. He probably doesnt send his children to learn about white power at that same church either.
I guess who Obama is, and not who supports him, is just far more important, eh?
This might upset you a little but I have no idea how you of all people can call Barack Obama a hypocrite. Let’s make this about religion and politics not personal, okay. I imagine you are a nice guy Noonan you probably bar b q a mean steak and can carry on a good convo, but let’s put that aside and see just how hypocritical the right wing can be.
Do I need to point to how many people in right wing or should I say white wing Baptist churches there are who abuse kids and try to cover it up? Should I go on to the number of moral failures that teach in Christian school and get away with abuse because the schools have “forgiven” the molester? How about the Universal Catholic Church or do we even need to go into the known half century of blaming victims for their own victimization?
But when a black preacher calls white America the American my blue eyed brown haired butt belonged to for 28 years in the whiter than white suburbs of Des Moines Iowa to task for their inherited injustices against blacks suddenly all that goes out of the window. And do you know why because the uttering of the slur that all of you want to call Barack Obama means he has ascended the moral high ground and means that you forfeit your right to civilized discourse.
How dare you accuse Barack Obama of hypocrisy when men like Donohue roam Terra with their 15th Century notions of religion trumping all things in society. Hell is paved with men like him and will be repaved with a billion more who sit in pews on Sunday or go to mass and then come out of that sacred building only to think and speak and act ill toward their fellow man.
The hypocrisy Noonan is being so vain as to think that somehow you and those who think and act like deserve salvation. As if because you utter some words and decide to find contempt in people because they don’t have sex in the way your religious leaders say they should then well they are damned and you are elect? What a cop out! I’ve even read where some Christians are so deluded that they think their own kin who have killed themselves are going to be saved! Talk about hypocrites because they have loved someone who has committed the ultimate sin does not absolve them. There is not one shred of evidence a Living Man can offer me that would allow for a reasonable debate about the matter because until you see what happens to the suicides here in Hell there can be no point of reference. But let me tell you one thing brother, Hell is very, very cruel to your kind and I’ll be saving a place for you.
This is just politics and there are far more serious matters than this but to call someone out as a hypocrite because you have nothing else you can do except make polarizing racial slurs well I think you’ve lost already because you and the sheeple haven’t the number to fight an agent of real change.
How about them apples!
WHy do you take so many words to say so little Diane?
Its pretty simple. If you just turn the Trinity Church around, and replace the word black, with white, the Church would be the subject of law suits for discrimination and hate speech. At the minimum, using white power as a religious platform would bring sufficient indignation against the church so as to distinctly identify its activities as such.
The truth is that black supremacy is not Christian, it is not found in the Bible, and it is not something that goes on for 20 years right under your nose, and you dont know about it. Its like being a full fledged member of the KKK and paying thier dues, and claiming that you have no idea that you belonged to a racist organization. How do you tell you children, after they have attended this Church for thier entire lives, that the message they teach there is wrong? Equality, not superiority, is what we find in Jesus.
Well said Diane.
The irony in all of this is that amidst the denigration and the criticism, Obama appears way more Christian than any of his attackers.
js, did you listen to what Obama said today? Actually listen to the content?
He didnt write it bongman.
He didnt erase his past either. He attended that church for over 20 years. Two Decades.
The truth is, you probably listened to the speech. You probably read the speech. You also heard only what they wanted you to hear.
I can guarantee you, it was not the whole truth.
take this for example
indians are discriminated in this nation far worse than blacks, when has this trinity church, or obama for that matter, show thier history defending indians?
wake up people, words without the truth are hollow, they dont have real meaning, and can be used to manipulate the minds of those who are weak, like obama does
Obama didn’t take Wright’s racist words on…he justified them…and compared Wright to his white grandmother, who would definitely be called a racist today.
Before you say that well, that was in the past and Obama was just making a comparison of the past to the present…Wright and his church are continuing to make these kinds of statements today…not 1950, 1960 or even 1970. It’s an established philosophy which Obama apparently cannot hear or comprehend, and has no problem of indoctrinating his children with these bitter and hateful words.
Sorry bongoman, his actions speak so loud I cannot hear the words he says. Why would you listen to a person tell you one thing when his actions blatantly tell you something else. Clearly this IS hypocrisy.
DT, discussing others shortcomings or failings does not make Obama a better person or right. Are you defending his actions and the teachings of his pastor? Says a lot about you.
Clearly Obama’s useful idiots are still useful.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/03/19/obamas_speech
hmmmm. I have yet to hear W disavow remarks from his pal Pat Robertson saying 9/11 was God’s revenge on the US.
Why is Pat Robertson even allowed on TV?
This blog is a friggin’ train wreck.
js: Every other sentence out of you on every post now is “he attended the church of 20 years”.
So what?
DM: “his actions speak so loud I can not hear his words”. Maybe try instead of closing your mind because there is a ‘D’ after his name.
so now you resort to making up lies joe?
thats why the train wrecked, because people like you just never grew up…..
i really have no use for you, or any of the other 3 stooges
It is almost hilarious to watch liberals bend over
backwards to defend a man who spent 20 years supporting racism and bigotry coming from the pulpit
and nodded his head in support when fact less conspiracies like the government infected the black
community with aids and we were responsible for 9/11.
Obama states that he was not present when comments like these were made and then admits in
his speech that he has been there during the “it’s all
whitey’s fault” words of wisdom from the messenger
of hope.
It is joke to try this moral equivalence between the
bigotry coming from Obama’s reverend and the Catholic/Baptist church’s.
No one sitting in the pews of the Catholic church knew or supported their priest and any crimes against children.The priests who helped them move
around were either prosecuted or run out.The church has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in restitution.
If a baptist or any other church hurled bigoted or anti-American remarks from the pulpit,the congregation can make the choice if they want to stay and support such idiocy.
Your candidate of “Hope”,and “Change” made his decision to stay and support such bigotry.
Please liberal,show me a church who’s leader gets
his inspiration from theology such as this:
In a set of “talking points” on the church’s Web site, Wright proclaims himself an exponent of “black liberation theology.” He cites James Cone, a distinguished professor at New York’s Union Theological Seminary, whom he credits for having “systematized” this strain of Christianity.
Here is a quote from Cone, explaining black liberation theology (hat tip: Spengler, a pseudonymous columnist for the Asia Times):
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
Could Obama really have been unaware for all these years that his spiritual mentor follows a racially adversarial theology, one that demands of God that he be “for us and against white people” and that he participate “in the destruction of the white enemy”? It doesn’t exactly sound like the sort of change we can believe in.
Wall St. Journal March 18,2008
James Toranto
Absolutely un-believable to watch liberals get all upset if someone says Merry Christmas or displays
Gasp!!
a manger scene in a park or school or the word God
on money or in the Pledge of Allegiance and then
defend racism right in front of their faces.
Liberals have no problem with War,Racism,and violence as long as it fits their ideology and advances
them politically.
js, Go easy on Joe. He would also stick up for McCain if McCain’s spiritual advisor and pastor had been David Duke for 20 years.
So what? ??????
10. js | March 19th, 2008 at 8:43 am
take this for example
indians are discriminated in this nation far worse than blacks, when has this trinity church, or obama for that matter, show thier history defending indians?
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As horrific and indefensible the treatment of Native Americans was, js, they, as human beings, were not considered to be property of their white masters who were brought to the U.S. in chains and forced into generations of slavery.
You are caught up in a frenzy of hatred that now seems to have enveloped those Americans who have conveniently forgotten their terrible legacy.
If you want to progress as a respected country, you need to put aside your predjudices and embrace a new future with the possibility of having an individual with great vision take over the reins from a failed and fallow administration.
I see it this way.
If anyone here tells the truth about catholic pederasty the comment gets deleted because Mark’s feelings are hurt. If you say that 9/11 and all the deaths and destruction were blowback for poor American foreign policy since Nixon you get deleted because 9/11 is such a weepy open sore on the American backside. If you say anything about the racism of white Americans that started with slavery and continues in places like Jena, LA you get deleted because it just gets on Leo’s nerves.
When will this ever end? Well I’ll tell ya it ends when a man like Barack Obama can go before a podium and speak his mind about an issue that makes black Americans angry and white Americans uncomfortable and that is the divide of race. There is a divide because for so long it was law that whites were superior and had to be treated as such by not only blacks but everyone else including white women like me. But having lost the status as Master of All they survey Obama tapped into the frustration that I hear in every one of SEW’s posts and those of js and those of Baxter Greene, Freedom 1 and Mark and Leo. It really kinda sucks to be white these days and in America because all you can do is eat that crap sandwich of just being a middle class white guy or gal and nothing more powerful than anyone else or go hungry and throw away the lifestyles you all love by speaking out about how you really feel your race is superior in intellect, culture and advancement.
But you know your ancestors threw away your right to do that when they saw Birth of Nation and joined the Klan and kept their women barefoot and pregnant in the early years of the 20th Century. You knew before you were born that this day would come when your brothers turned hoses and set angry dogs on black children marching for their parent’s inalienable civil rights in Birmingham. And when the second tower collapsed it was like living a nightmare you’d had at Antietam and at Vicksburg and at Gettysburg all over again. And after the Middle Passage cost 10 000 000 black Souls and the slaughter of the Native Americans and the brutal treatment of women of your own race and the servitude of children in your factories until it became intolerable in the 20th Century I find myself forced to ask the same question that Reverend Jeremiah Wright said, “And now you’re indignant?”
For the benefit of Baxter Greene, I’ll quote Dr Cornel West another strong black voice who advises Barack Obama on matters spiritual, from his well received book, Democracy Matters: Winning the Fight Against Imperialism, “When conservative Christians argue today for state sponsored religious schools, when they throw their tacit or more overt support behind antiabortion zealots or homophobic crusaders who preach hatred (a few have even killed in the name of their belief), they are being Constantinian Christians. [They] fail to appreciate their violation of Christian love and justice because Constantinian Christianity in America places such a strong emphasis on personal conversion, individual piety, and philanthropic service and has lost its fervor for the suspicion of worldly authorities and for doing justice in the service of the most vulnerable among us, which are central to the faith. These energies are rendered marginal to their Christian identity.”
HA HA HA… damn you are funny. “Stooges”. Whew. You are a funny one.
lies js? You brought up the 20 years comment in post #5 and post #9. And this thread is still young.
In the “chickens coming home to roost” thread, the fact that he has been a member of the church for 20 years was in the main post by Mark.
In that thread, you people brought it up in posts
#17
#25 (twice)
#37
#49
#60
#66
#69
#70 (twice)
#88
#95
#120
#139
#152
#162
So yes. You people are friggin’ obsessed with this issue.
I’ll type slow so you can understand…
Has Obama ever make any comment that you would consider racist? Is his pastor running for office? Go thru all his sermons and lets find out how many are racist and how many are not. But nope… you clowns are jacked up in one or two sermons that you’ve heard.
This should be about policies and not guilt by association.
It really is strange to me how people advocate that racism is dead. I mean Just LAST YEAR there was a huge protest. Does anyone remember the Gena 6? If not heres a link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/03/AR2007080302098.html
As a white woman Joe I know that it is the truth that if you tell fearful or ignorant white people a lie over and over again they’ll call it a new Gospel in a couple days.
Two items of note regarding Obama’s speech:
1) He doesn’t say s**t about HOW he will address solving our race issues. And the onus is on Whitey to provide more handouts. I call bulls**t on that.
2) Second, there is absolutely no mention at all of either “God Bless America” or “God Bless You” to end his speech. I guess that means Barack Hussein Obama also wants God to damn America. Yep, he’s still playing the Race Card.