Ok, boys and girls, here’s you big chance to just have at it…lefties, you want to endlessly rehash the reasons we went to war? Here’s you thread. RIghties, been burning for the 1,000th opportunity to make lefties look like fools over their views on the war? Here’s the place.
Alternately, you can discuss the continuing Obama saga; why Hillary is suddenly so quiet. Why recent polling shows McCain doing better and better against either part of HillBama. Why President Bush seems in such a fine mood these days. Why commodity prices took a dump the other day and why some have opined that oil prices will start to slide later this year.
Have at it.
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More on the Church of Christ and Clinton pardons.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12909
Open thread……..
McCain not knowing the difference between Sunni and Shia. I know, I know… you all are going to quote the VP and say… “So?” You’ll say it was just a gaffe.
Once is a gaffe. FOUR TIMES is something else.
Is he senile? (Ya know that happens in old age)
Is he lying? (Then you can call him McSame)
Does he really not know the difference? (If so, why is his foreign policy experience so good?
Once is a gaffe. Twice is an error. Three times is on purpose or stupidity. What id FOUR times?
This is an interesting look back at recent history:
Yup, sounds like Presidential material to me — NOT!
Joe,
McCain’s success is a reflection of the MSM picking the GOP candidate, not the conscious decision of mainstream Republicans that he’s the best candidate. That said, I’ll take senile over dishonest any day of the week.
Spook,
I do notice you left off this piece of the article you posted:
Having said that… Hillary is not my choice for Prez. If it comes down to her or McCain, you might as well flip a coin. I think they would be very similar. Other than McCain staying in Iraq for 100 yrs and Clinton trying to get troops out quickly. All else is pretty similar.
Another reason Hillary is not my first choice is because of articles like that one you link.
There is just so much anti-everything-Clinton. Right or wrong, the Clinton name is insanely polarizing. That is not what we need in this country after the last 7 yrs. McCain is too closely allied with Bush and continuing his policies. Also something we do not need at this time.
McCain is not higher in the polls because of how people feel about him. It’s just that the public is tired of the back-and-forth bickering between Obama and Clinton, and he’s been wise to stay out of the fray. Once a clear democratic winner is decided, McCain is toast. The supporters of the two Dems, which is split now, will combine to make the old man irrelevant.
Plus he’ll be tired out by then, and taking much longer naps to remain coherent.
Team Clinton doesn’t need to say anything about the Wright affair, and, wisely, shouldn’t. Obama is digging his own political grave over this issue, and doesn’t need any help. Not that I support Hillary, but, it would shift focus to her from the Obamessiah if they commented on the story.
This is exactly the type of issue that Clinton was hoping for, and, while still probably an outside shot, if it continues, it could lead the superdelegates to say “forget Obama, he is a liability.”
All else is pretty similar.
Joe, do you know something about McCain’s spouse that I don’t. I’m not aware that she’s a pathological lying, criminal sexual deviate pervert.
Other than that, there are several differences I can think of off the top of my head:
1. The type of SC Justices each would nominate.
2. Their views on making the Bush tax cuts permanent.
3. Their views on abortion (this is not a big issue for me personally, but the difference between Clinton and McCain is 180 degrees)
4. Somehow I doubt whether McCain would facilitate the export of missile technology to countries like China in exchange for campaign contributions, while I’d be shocked if Mr. Clinton didn’t follow in her husbands footsteps in that regard.
That’s all I have time to list right now, but I’m sure others can add to the list.
There are two possible explanations for Senator McCain’s multiple instances of claiming that Sunni al-Qaeda members are being trained in Shiite Iran. One, is that he is too lazy to know or care to make an absolutely critical distinction that is something that would be taught on Day One of Middle East 101. The other is that he deliberately conflates the two because he wants to continue to blame the continuing violence in Iraq on Iran rather than on the 42% of Iraqis who think that attacks on U.S. forces are acceptable. Given his musically-expressed enthusiasm for attacking Iran, the latter seems far more likely. However, in yet another example of how the conservative myth of the liberal press gets it wrong, Senator McCain will continue to get a pass on his “gaffes” because, after all, he’s a really nice guy who cooks barbecue for the press corps or as Ana Marie Cox of Time more fully describes it, “Delicious dry-rub barbecued ribs, actually, baby back ribs.” Yes, the Republican-hating relentless political press corps rolls over to have its tummy rubbed.
Cindy McCain is an admitted former opiate painkiller addict who stole drugs from her former not-for-profit employer and who was prosecuted successfully for that crime. This has what to do with whether her husband should be elected president?
Diana: “Delicious dry-rub barbecued ribs, actually, baby back ribs.” Yes, the Republican-hating relentless political press corps rolls over to have its tummy rubbed.
I hope it wasn’t a dry rub. If so, the press corps better be careful they’re not rubbed any higher up on their torso than their tummy.
do you know something about McCain’s spouse that I don’t. I’m not aware that she’s a pathological lying, criminal sexual deviate pervert.
I didn’t know we were voting for spouses here. If I knew that, I’d have voted for Fred Thomsson.
Spook, a statement like that is exactly what I mean about anti-everything-Clinton. That statement says… You won’t vote for her because her husband got a blow job in the Oval Office (I know you hate other things about her), but come on… that isn’t much of an argument.
The type of SC Justices each would nominate.
If you think that either are going to nominate anything other than a VERY centrist Judge, you are dreaming. One may be slightly more conservative than liberal or the other way around, but either way, you ain’t getting another Scalia on the court with McCain nominating.
Their views on making the Bush tax cuts permanent.
Umm… are you sure McCain isn’t going to flip flop on this again? He already voted against them once. Now that he wants the GOP vote, he says he is for them. It would still have to get past a Dem Congress that very well could gain more seats than they currently have.
Their views on abortion (this is not a big issue for me personally, but the difference between Clinton and McCain is 180 degrees)
See my views on #2 above. Also… I never understand why people use this as an issue. If you think ANYTHING is getting done about abortions one way or the other, you are kidding yourself. It doesn’t benefit either party politically to do anything about this. Roe v Wade will not get overturned. No laws will be passed regarding this one way or the other. There are, I don’t know…. 50 other things in this country that need to be taken care of before this. If you vote because of this, then go for it. I won’t be changing your mind.
Somehow I doubt whether McCain would facilitate the export of missile technology to countries like China in exchange for campaign contributions, while I’d be shocked if Mr. Clinton didn’t follow in her husbands footsteps in that regard.
Yep. Them Clinton’s are criminals…. psst… I also heard her husband got a blow job in the Oval Office!
McCain not knowing the difference between Sunni and Shia.
And he’s a guy who claims he’s ready to jump right in and continue fighting the war without missing a beat. In an unintended way, he’s right: Statements like that show he’s ready to continue the clueless way the Bush administration has pursued this war.
The other is that he deliberately conflates the two because he wants to continue to blame the continuing violence in Iraq on Iran rather than on the 42% of Iraqis who think that attacks on U.S. forces are acceptable.
It’s that, but it’s also that wingers have a tendency to conflate all these disparate groups into one uber-group. Hamas is Al Qaeda is Fatah is the Mahdi Army is the Taliban is Hezbollah etc. If you put them all together, they all seem much scarier: A huge conglomeration of Scary Middle-Eastern Types who are just a hair’s width away from coming here and going on a head-lopping rampage. The truth–that these are often wildly divergent groups each with their own goals and that some of them are quite hostile to each other–is much stickier and doesn’t work as well in sound-bite politics.
I know you libs love your polls. Please chew on this one. P.S. Joe, no one cares that McCain reversed the name on accident, everyon is too busy talking about how Obama is a racist. Seems to be reflected in the poll below. Woohoo now that story has some LEGS!
RASMUSSEN POLL: McCain Now Leads By Double Digits:
McCain 51% Clinton 41%
McCain 49% Obama 42%
Thanks Rich. That “Obama is a racist” post was a few days ago.
Thanks for deflecting though. Good job.
I guarantee that I can find 4 polls that put Clinton AND Obama both ahead of McCain if you want to play that game.
“McCain is not higher in the polls because of how people feel about him. It?s just that the public is tired of the back-and-forth bickering between Obama and Clinton, and he?s been wise to stay out of the fray. Once a clear democratic winner is decided, McCain is toast. The supporters of the two Dems, which is split now, will combine to make the old man irrelevant.”
Keep whistling past the graveyard. If McCain is gaining because of the bickering, won’t that mean he has several months left of gains? Also, do you really think Clinton’s supporters would vote for Obama? We already know that Obama’s people won’t support Clinton. I love the smell of a democratic civil war in the morning.
Rich: Also, do you really think Clinton?s supporters would vote for Obama? We already know that Obama?s people won?t support Clinton.
THe answer to your question is… ABSOLUTELY.
My question to you is… please prove how you KNOW that Obama supporters wouldn’t vote for Clinton.
“I guarantee that I can find 4 polls that put Clinton AND Obama both ahead of McCain if you want to play that game.”
Please do. Make sure the polls are after the Wright scandal broke. Talk about defelction, almost 50 percent of voters have said the Wright incident has made them less likely to vote for Obama because of the Wright incident. Words matter remember? Care to explain why he claimed he never heard his pastor make those remarks, then stated in his speech that he was present for some? Thats what we tend to call a lie, which people seems to care alot about. Thats why the Golden Boy is in a huge tailspin. Sorry this is’nt going anywhere and you know it. He’ll probably still get the nomination, but he just toally lost any of the close states he might possible pick up. The Obamacins will become rare indeed.
Yep. Them Clinton’s are criminals…
Well, I’m glad we at least agree on that part, Joe. Why anyone would want that pair back in the White House is beyond me.
You made a lot more of my comment than was my intention, particular about BJ Bill. I was merely responding to your statement that Hillary and McCain are similar except for their position
on Iraq. They are about as similar as black and white. That said, this country has survived lots of bad presidents in the past. We’ll undoubtedly survive whichever one of the 3 remaining candidates is elected this time around too. The only action either of the Dems could take that would adversely impact me would be to eliminate my military pension, and I doubt that either one would contemplate such an action.
Diana, nice shot at moral relativism. You Lefties have refined that to an artform.
“My question to you is… please prove how you KNOW that Obama supporters wouldn’t vote for Clinton.”
Wow thanks for the softball. Obama is now getting 90% of the black vote. The only way for Clinton to win is to steal the election at the convention. Do you believe black voters will come out for Clinton if that happens? Do you really think they would support somone that sabatoged their first attempt at having a black President? Kinda like somone stealing your car and then offering you a ride in it, would you accept the ride? Also check out dailykos, they have purged the Clintonites froom the cite through harrassment and bullying. Pretty bad blood amongst the nutroots.
Rich,
Senator McCain didn’t just “reverse[] the name on accident” (sic). What he has said, at least four different times, with Senator Lieberman publicly correcting him in front of the press in Jordan was variations on this, which even Fox News couldn’t ignore:
Even Fox News knows that Sunni and Shi’a have been “feuding for centuries”.
Sorry for the typos, bad case of the flu here.
“Moral relativism”? That was random.
Rich, so you know Obama’s supporters won’t support Clinton? How far up did you have to reach to pull out that piece of crap? Supporters of each Dem are bitterly divided now, but will unite in opposition to the Warlord McPain once he/she has been determined. But I’m sure you’ll pull out some irrelevent poll from your constipated horde of BS to prove otherwise.
McCain is MOLDY toast in November.
Sorry… here are 3 polls that I found. I’ll have to look for the 4th I promised…
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
CBS News – 3/15-3/18 — Obama 48-43
CNN 3/14-3/16 — Obama 47-46
USA Today 3/14-3/15 — Obama 49-47
Anyway… you still haven’t proven how you KNOW that one group wouldn’t support the other.
Your example in #19 is assuming someone “steals” or “sabatoged” the nomination. If that happens for anyone, wouldn’t anyone be pissed.
Now… if she wins (which is what we are talking about), then that is another story.
You also claim that Clinton backers would never vote for Obama. Since he is the clear leader going into the convention, what is your reasoning that her backers wouldn’t vote for him? Why? Because he gets black vote and she gets white? That is some pretty lame proof. But you seem to KNOW all these things as fact.