Open Thread: Thursday Morning

Ok, boys and girls, here’s you big chance to just have at it…lefties, you want to endlessly rehash the reasons we went to war? Here’s you thread. RIghties, been burning for the 1,000th opportunity to make lefties look like fools over their views on the war? Here’s the place.

Alternately, you can discuss the continuing Obama saga; why Hillary is suddenly so quiet. Why recent polling shows McCain doing better and better against either part of HillBama. Why President Bush seems in such a fine mood these days. Why commodity prices took a dump the other day and why some have opined that oil prices will start to slide later this year.

Have at it.

122 thoughts on “Open Thread: Thursday Morning

  1. Thrower's avatar Thrower March 20, 2008 / 12:13 pm

    Voters who focus on spouses and ministers rather than what is happening to their wallets will get what they deserve.

  2. anarchist's avatar anarchist March 20, 2008 / 12:17 pm

    “Why commodity prices took a dump the other day”

    Becuase the futures markets expected a full point rate cut and there was only a .75 point cut. Less inflation = lower prices.

  3. Canadian Observer's avatar Canadian Observer March 20, 2008 / 12:23 pm

    This being the first day of Spring, perhaps we could have a moratorium on the devisive name calling and come together, if just for today, to celebrate of the end of this long, long winter.

    This morning I had a grey dove land on my window ledge and stare at me for a good minute or so before flying away in search of a mate.

    Better days are ahead, n’est-ce pas?

  4. Rich's avatar Rich March 20, 2008 / 12:26 pm

    Did you even look at these polls? From your cbs poll.

    “If the election were held today and Obama and McCain were the candidates, 48 percent of those surveyed say they would support Obama while 43 percent say they would support McCain. In February, Obama led McCain 50 percent to 38 percent.” Seven point swing to McCain in a couple weeks and youre pointing this out as good news? Also from the same article.

    “In a turnaround from last month, McCain now leads both Obama and Clinton among independent voters. Obama led McCain by 10 points among this group last month, but he now trails by 8 points. Clinton trails McCain by 11 points among independents.” Wow an 18 point swing in independent voters? Youre citing this poll as good news Joe really? I wonder what could have shifted the independents? Maybe the Wright effect. Also from same article-

    “If Obama wins more elected delegates but Clinton becomes the nominee because of the vote of the Democratic Party insiders known as superdelegates, 36 percent of Obama supporters say they would be angry. Fifty-six percent would be disappointed, and just 8 percent would be satisfied with the outcome.”

    Theres your proof. Thirty six percent would be angry. Lets see, thirty six percent would be just about the percentage of black voters. Do people vote for somone they’re really angry at?

  5. Rich's avatar Rich March 20, 2008 / 12:31 pm

    Joe, please research the polls please or you end up looking like an idiot. Do you know what a margin of error is? This one has a 3 point margin of error. That means it is a statistical tie.

    From your CNN poll.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/19/content_7817362.htm

    “WASHINGTON, March 18 (Xinhua) — Either Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton would face a neck-and-neck race with John McCain in the November national presidential elections, according to a poll released on Tuesday.

    “The poll by CNN and Opinion Research Corporation indicated that if Illinois Senator Obama were nominated as the Democratic presidential candidate, he would get 47 percent of the vote compared to 46 percent for Republican presumptive nominee McCain.”

  6. js's avatar js March 20, 2008 / 12:32 pm

    It doesnt take a genious to figure out that even between shia and sunni, a common enemy will make them allies.

    Its not so far fetched to understand how that could happen, or how AQ would exploit the issue.

    After all, Iran said they deported OBL’s son in 2002, then we found out in 2003 that he was AQ head dog in Iran.

    You folks need to really investigate things a lot more before you start puffing up false stories. Your ignorance shines brighter than the sun at noon. The Shia/Sunni divide can be exploited both ways to serve Islams purpose.

  7. Rich's avatar Rich March 20, 2008 / 12:36 pm

    Hey Joe, your USA today poll doesn’t cut it either. Margin of error plus or minus 4.

    http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/usa-todaygallup.html

    “Gallup surveyed 685 “likely” voters across the nation from Friday through Sunday. It says the margin of error on each result is +/- 4 percentage points. That means neither Clinton nor Obama’s lead in the new poll is “outside” that margin. Clinton’s support could be as low as 47% (because 51-4=47) and McCain’s could be as high as 50% (because 46+4=50).”

    Still waiting for 4 polls that show McCain losing after the Wright effect has settled in.

  8. Joe's avatar Joe March 20, 2008 / 12:40 pm

    guys… all I said is I would find polls putting Obama over McCain.

    I guess you can laugh at them all you want. We laugh at polls that are put up on this site all the time that say that 60% of Americans want troops out of Iraq within 1yr yet Mark and Matt twist that to say that to somehow say that 23% are for defeatism.

    Make whatever you want from the polls I put out there. I grabbed what I found with a quick search to show that Obama was STILL ahead of McCain even with you clowns blathering on about Wright.

    But let me use the true true line from Thrower in comment #25….

    Voters who focus on spouses and ministers rather than what is happening to their wallets will get what they deserve.

  9. Rich's avatar Rich March 20, 2008 / 12:48 pm

    As for Clinton voters supporting Obama-

    http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/03/03/pew/

    “Interesting result from a recent survey conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press: If their favored candidate is not the Democratic nominee, a quarter of Hillary Clinton’s primary supporters would defect and vote for John McCain in November”

    This poll is a month old, and I can only suspect this number is growing after the Wright effect.

  10. Ricorun's avatar Ricorun March 20, 2008 / 12:49 pm

    There’s probably a joke in here about rolling stones and moss and green stuff. But anyway, Boulder, CO represents the first community-wide effort to equip homes with smart power meters. The projected cost is $100M for 50K meters and it will cover about 100K residents. That’s $1000/resident, or $2000/meter. I’m not sure how they plan to amortize the expense, but let’s say it’s over 10 years. That’s $100/resident/year, or about $8.25/resident/month. Is it worth it? I think it’s a no-brainer. But read the article and see what you think.

  11. Rich's avatar Rich March 20, 2008 / 12:55 pm

    Magnum Serpentine- Is this the Rasmussen Report your’e talking about? Next.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/party_affiliation/partisan_trends

    “Rasmussen Reports was the nation’s most accurate polling firm during the Presidential election and the only one to project both Bush and Kerry’s vote total within half a percentage point of the actual outcome.”

    During Election 2004, RasmussenReports.com was also the top-ranked public opinion research site on the web. We had twice as many visitors as our nearest competitor and nearly as many as all competitors combined.”

  12. jackson's avatar jackson March 20, 2008 / 12:56 pm

    Until we have a nominee, POLLS ARE USELESS!!!

    There is bitter division now between the two battling camps. Once that’s over, you know Democrats will unite behind their nominee, just to stop “more of the same McCain”.

    You know it’s true, Rich.

  13. Magnum Serpentine's avatar Magnum Serpentine March 20, 2008 / 12:59 pm

    From the neutral Gallup Poll

    “John McCain may be benefiting in the short-term from the highly charged Democratic race. He holds a statistically significant lead over Obama, 47% to 43%, in registered voters’ preferences for the general presidential election. That is the first time any of the candidates has held a statistically significant lead since Gallup Poll Daily tracking began reporting on the general election race last week. McCain’s 48% to 45% advantage over Clinton is not statistically significant, but it is the first time he has had an edge over her in Gallup Poll Daily tracking. — Jeff Jones”

    From Gallup poll

    A lot closer than the republican poll has it.

  14. Some Assembly Required's avatar Some Assembly Required March 20, 2008 / 1:09 pm

    If the economy keeps tanking the way it is now, Race, Abortion, Sex scandals… or anything else of the sort will not matter in this election. It’s kind of meaningless talking about overturning ‘Roe’ or who hired a prostitute when people are concerned with losing their homes or where their next meal is coming from. A further continuation of bush’s policies will however and McCain will not stand a prayer. Keep grasping to polls though, anything that can get you through the night into the morning.

  15. Rich's avatar Rich March 20, 2008 / 1:13 pm

    I’m still asking one lib here, just one to answer this question I asked earlier that was ignored.

    Care to explain why Obama claimed he never heard his pastor make those remarks, then stated in his speech that he was present for some?

    What did he know and when did he know it? Seems he knew his pastor was racist, and knew it for a while.

  16. SteaM's avatar SteaM March 20, 2008 / 1:29 pm

    Rich,

    Your question is a personal question that should be directed at Senator Barack Obama.

    Care to talk about his policies or where he stands on the issues?

  17. js's avatar js March 20, 2008 / 1:36 pm

    If Obillery can not pull the confidence in public between the two of them, what makes anyone think they stand a chance with anyone else?

    Stranger things have happened, but the DNC’s failure to put a good candidate forward can actually force people to elect the more viable candidate, McCain.

    Outside of maybe a 20-25% hardcore liberal core, the middle sways alot more. Hillary and Billary are putz’s, and Obama is a sham-ma. They really dont have what it takes between the two of them to really take responsibility for this nations future.

  18. Rich's avatar Rich March 20, 2008 / 1:36 pm

    Wow neoclown. Was that Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks? That guy meant business.

  19. Rich's avatar Rich March 20, 2008 / 1:39 pm

    “Your question is a personal question that should be directed at Senator Barack Obama.”

    So I take it you have no answer about why Obama lied about knowing his pastor was racist? All you libs on here and nobody can answer that? As far as diricting my question to Obama, I’m not quite sure I can get a meeting with him.

  20. Ricorun's avatar Ricorun March 20, 2008 / 1:42 pm

    Rich: Care to explain why Obama claimed he never heard his pastor make those remarks, then stated in his speech that he was present for some?

    Where in his speech did Obama say that? Maybe I’m not looking hard enough, but I can’t find it.

  21. MorrisMajor's avatar MorrisMajor March 20, 2008 / 1:42 pm

    Ricorun,

    I don’t know what your point is exactly, but this is a pilot program so the meters et al are going to be a lot more expensive than full scale production versions. It sounds like a pretty darn good idea.

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