Budget Deal in the Works

From the AP:

Officials say the White House and Republican leaders in Congress are making significant progress toward a last-minute agreement to avoid a default threatened for next week.

These officials say the two sides are discussing a plan to raise the debt limit by about $2.4 trillion and enact spending cuts of a slightly larger amount in two stages.

The deal under discussion would also require Congress to vote on a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, but not require its approval.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the discussions.

Ed Morrissey over at Hot Air surmises that, finally, Obama is actually willing to state what he wants – what he will sign.  In other words, we’re finally getting a White House plan for the debt.  All this time we’ve been pretty much working in a void because Obama never indicated what was actually acceptable to him…and it seems that Reid had actually  signed on to the GOP plan, at Obama’s behest, only to be told at the last minute by Obama that he wouldn’t sign it.

My feeling is that Obama was hoping that the looming crisis (which is entirely fake, by the way) would force the GOP to cave and they’d go ahead and either give him a “clean” debt ceiling increase through 2013 or, at least, go along with some tax hikes.  As it became clear that GOP would give him neither of these things – and as Obama’s approval rating has cratered through this mess – I think that someone finally got Obama to realize that he had to defuse this manufactured crisis…make it go away before the worst of all things happened:  Tuesday arrived and the world didn’t end.

For our side, we’ve done well – we’ve laid down the marker for future budget negotiations and demonstrated conclusively that the GOP – at least in its TEA Party element – will not back down from a fight.

“Never let a crisis go to waste” was Obama’s watchword from day one…even if he had to make up a crisis.  But now Obama has learned that dishonesty can only carry you so far.

61 thoughts on “Budget Deal in the Works

  1. james July 31, 2011 / 1:36 am

    obama is the worst president in american history.

  2. Diane Valencen, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H [Journ.], ArF J., M.F. July 31, 2011 / 7:17 am

    One of the biggest problems that American Progressives and American conservatives have is a lack of communication. Nowhere is that more apparent than in the past few years with the Heath care bill and now with the debt ceiling crisis. I don’t know what conservatives want and this is a big part of the problem. Over the course of the rest of the day, I will be posting this question on 100 conservative blogs as well as at media outlets in comments:

    “It is 2013, you have a supermajority in both the House and the Senate and a true conservative GOP president. What are the top ten things that you would want to see come out of government in the two years you would have certainty that a conservative agenda will be carried out?”

    Your options are open. You can respond at the post for this question at our blog or if you’re not comfortable going to a liberal blog you can post your answers inline here and they’ll be retrieved by a member of my crack staff.

    [q c p n!]

    • Green Mountain Boy July 31, 2011 / 8:40 am

      A member of your “crack staff” ? Have to chuckle at that one. Thanks for the laugh.

      • Dvindice July 31, 2011 / 11:31 pm

        Sounds more like staff on crack…

    • Cluster July 31, 2011 / 8:44 am

      1. Repeal Obamacare
      2. Pass a balance budget amendment
      3. Simplify tax code and eliminate loop holes
      4. Across the board regulation reform
      5, Eliminate GSE’s
      6. Scrutinize every federal agency and evaluate cuts that can be made, or determine the necessity of the department
      7. Means testing for SS/Medicaid/Medicare
      8. Lift energy exploration moratorium
      9. Drill ANWR
      10. Tap into oil fields in WY, MT and the Dakotas

      • Retired Spook July 31, 2011 / 9:10 am

        In addition to Cluster’s excellent list, I would add, stop the government war on whistleblowers. The Obama administration has prosecuted more whistleblowers than any other administration in history — INCLUDING NIXON. I’m not sure which one of Cluster’s actions I’d eliminate to make room for this, as all of his are good.

        Second, I’d be more specific on Cluster’s #3, either advocating a true flat tax that could be filed on a post card or the Fair Tax.

        Third, WRT Cluster’s #4, all focus of regulation reform should be to make the United States an attractive place to invest capital, coupled with an intolerance for lawbreaking.

        Fourth, WRT Cluster’s #6, I would do what Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels recently did.

        July 20, 2011

        Good news from the state capital.

        No, not the Illinois capital. But close.

        Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels will award bonuses to 90 percent of his state’s 28,000 employees. Each worker’s “efficiency dividend” will be $500, $750 or $1,000, depending on his or her performance. The money will come from a nearly $1.2 billion state surplus — yes, surplus — that Daniels credits in part to state employees helping find ways to save money.

        Lastly, I would dig a huge trench across an uninhabited area of the western plains, line up all the Progressives in the country, shoot them, bulldoze their bodies into the ditch and cover it over.

        OK, just kidding on the last one.

      • Cluster July 31, 2011 / 9:33 am

        Performance incentives to government workers is an excellent idea. Kudos to Daniels.

    • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 10:30 am


      he is not even a legitimate “pRESIDENT” he is a usurper who duped 52% of the NON tax paying useful idiots.

      duane valedictoriam MF
      “*CRACK”* head staff is more like it….

  3. tiredoflibbs July 31, 2011 / 8:43 am

    Of course, obAMATEUR will spin this as he rode in on his horse and saved the day. All the while the debate has been going on, obAMATEUR has passed the buck to Congress and the Senate and attacking only one side of the aisle.

    In the end, the drones will eat it up as I said. The reality is that there has been NO LEADERSHIP from the White House. The pResident has been mostly absent and barely making enough press conferences to keep up his attacks and criticisms. The Democrats when they had control of Congress with a Democrat pResident did nothing – no budgets, no plans nothing.

    BTW, if this plan goes through, obAMATEUR will have raised the debt ceiling FOUR TIMES IN LESS THAN THREE YEARS for a total of $6.2 trillion. Since liberals love to point out that Bush raised the debt limit, he raised the debt limit seven times for a little over $6 trillion. obAMATEUR has outpaced him.


    • Retired Spook July 31, 2011 / 12:23 pm

      The Democrats when they had control of Congress with a Democrat pResident did nothing – no budgets, no plans nothing.

      Tired, I realize this blog is a tiny microcosm of political thought, but it strikes me as curious that none of our resident Lefties has, to the best of my knowledge, either criticized or defended the Democrats failure to pass a budget for nearly 2-1/2 years. It’s as though it’s an odd piece that doesn’t fit into their ideological puzzle, so they simply ignore it. At least when the GOP or an individual Republican does something illegal, unethical or stupid, most of us Conservatives are among the first to point it out.

    • watsonredux July 31, 2011 / 12:55 pm

      So tired, I just don’t understand why it is that in Bush’s two terms we had to raise the debt ceiling at all! I mean, Republicans controlled all branches of government. It was their golden moment to show us what they truly stood for. And as with every Republican administration of the last 30 years, they stood for record deficits.

      And why is it that in my entire adult lifetime, every single Republican administration managed to run up record deficits? Why should I believe that Republicans are the least bit sincere about reigning in deficits, when their history over the last 30 years is exactly the opposite? Why should I give them any credibility on this issue when it’s a matter of historical fact that they in fact can’t be trusted to manage a budget?

      Perhaps the problem is as Spook said in this thread when speaking of Republicans, “that human beings are, after all, human, and power is like an aphrodisiac, particularly to a politician.”

      • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 1:31 pm


        So tired, I just don’t understand why

        and you NEVER will drone.

      • watsonredux July 31, 2011 / 2:04 pm

        Clown, it was a rhetorical statement, because of course, we all understand–well, all but you–why the Republicans created record deficits during the Bush administration, and why they repeatedly raised the debt limit. It’s called hypocrisy. That’s a complex subject for your feeble mind.

      • tiredoflibbs July 31, 2011 / 2:34 pm

        “So tired, I just don’t understand why it is that in Bush’s two terms we had to raise the debt ceiling at all! I mean, Republicans controlled all branches of government.”

        It is simple watty. They spent like liberal Democrats. What is so hard to understand.

        “every single Republican administration managed to run up record deficits?”

        Wrong. Congress controls the purse strings. In both Reagan’s and Bush Sr. administrations, Democrats PROMISED spending cuts that the Republican Presidents wanted. If you remember Reagan’s and Bush’s tax increases, Democrat Congresses in both cases promised spending cuts through the deals they had made.

        They never, NEVER cut spending to the levels they promised.

        Besides, this pathetic little point you are trying to make is moot. obAMATEUR has outspent and run up more debt than all previous administrations. If you want a continuation of liberal Democrats history (Clinton was held in check by Republican Congress, his first budgets were deficits as well), then that would be foolish. As we have seen with this pResident it is par for the course.

        The Americans have spoken in the last election. Many candidates who ran on fiscal responsibility and limited spending won elections in areas that were solidly Democrat. They are fighting the fight with this budget deal that they were elected to do so.

      • tiredoflibbs July 31, 2011 / 7:09 pm

        wow, Monty(jeffy) still can’t stand that FACTS presented to prove is ideology and ilk wrong.

        I stated FACTS you again whine with personal attacks and nothing to refute them.

        A troll is a troll and you will never be anything else.

      • MontyBurns August 1, 2011 / 11:09 am

        Great whine, tired–it’s all the Democrats’ fault that Republican policies are repeated failures and Republicans are hypocrites. But what else can one expect from somebody so cowardly and dumb as you?

      • tiredoflibbs August 1, 2011 / 12:04 pm

        Again, jeffy refutes nothing and resorts to personal attacks.

        Little jeffy doesn’t want to stick his neck out on anything. When he has in the past, it blew up in his face and revealed him to be the imbecile that we all know him for.

        poor baby…..

  4. Retired Spook July 31, 2011 / 9:38 am

    Excellent debt ceiling chart at Kurt Brouwer’s MarketWatch blog which puts where we’re headed in historical perspective.

    • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 10:34 am

      I like this guys perspective…….

      anyone notice our resident trolls are missing on the weekend or after 5 M-F?
      hmmmm paid agent provocateurs?

    • watsonredux July 31, 2011 / 2:15 pm

      Spook, I agree that it is an interesting chart. Interesting in that it shows that the debt ceiling was almost tripled during the Reagan administration, quadrupled between Reagan and the elder Bush, and very nearly doubled again during GWB’s reign. Further, the end result of GWB’s eight years was an economy in shambles that reduced government revenues even further, resulting in even more debt. His much vaunted tax cuts resulted in more record deficits–a legacy that has been carried over to the Obama administration–anemic growth during Bush’s two terms, and the collapse of the economy into deep recession before he left office. That’s what this chart shows.

      Why should I trust anybody with an (R) behind their name?

      • tiredoflibbs July 31, 2011 / 2:38 pm

        I especially like the way you point out the increases by Republicans but ignore the DEMOCRAT who has outspent at a record pace in just almost 3 years.

        It puts it into perspective.

        But you are still mindlessly regurgitating “it is Bush’s fault” for this inexperienced AMATEUR in the White House. His policies have failed. He increased baseline budget spending by 25%. 25%! But you continue with this “legacy” crap.


      • Retired Spook July 31, 2011 / 3:43 pm

        Why should I trust anybody with an (R) behind their name?

        YOU probably shouldn’t, but most Conservatives I know are willing to give the GOP one more chance, after which the formation of a viable third party is virtually inevitable.

      • watsonredux July 31, 2011 / 4:48 pm

        Spook, where you and I differ, I suppose, is that I feel like I was burned one too many times by the Republicans. I became an adult about the time the Reagan came to office. He was the first president I voted for. I recall the Clinton-Bush-Perot campaign, and feeling that neither Bush nor Clinton got it. I wound up voting for Perot, who in hindsight would have been a poor choice. It was a vote simply out of frustration at the two major parties.

        Anyway, to make a long story short, after another eight years of GWB, along with six years of a Republican-controlled Congress, I simply have no trust for Republicans. They are the ones that famously stated, “deficits don’t matter.” That’s when I dropped my lifelong Republican party affiliation and re-registered as a small-I independent, or “no party affiliation.”

        I certainly have no love for Democrats, and have never been one. But I find that the Tea Party is simply not credible. To maintain a stance of absolutely no tax increases of any kind–even when we are taxed at the lowest rate in 50 years, and even when the Bush tax cuts are responsible for a large portion of the current deficit run-up–is simply irresponsible and ideologically motivated in the extreme. I have no patience for ideology anymore.

      • watsonredux July 31, 2011 / 4:51 pm

        tired says, “I especially like the way you point out the increases by Republicans but ignore the DEMOCRAT who has outspent at a record pace in just almost 3 years.”

        Uh, tired, it’s because YOU and Mark ignore that there could be some fault of Republicans for the current mess. When you stop being so hypocritical, I’ll stop pointing it out.

      • Retired Spook July 31, 2011 / 6:57 pm

        Spook, where you and I differ, I suppose, is that I feel like I was burned one too many times by the Republicans.


        By the time you voted for Reagan, I had already voted in 7 general elections including 3 presidential elections. After serving in the military under both Johnson and Carter, there was little chance I would ever vote for a Democrat again, particularly as the Democrat Party has continued to swerve to the left. Johnson was one of the most dishonest presidents we’ve ever had and Carter one of the most incompetent and clueless. I had always been an admirer of Reagan from the time he gave his famous speech at the 1964 GOP convention, so voting for him was a no-brainer, and the military was a completely different place under his leadership. I too became disillusioned with Bush 41 and voted for Perot in ’92. I was going to vote for Clinton in 1992 until I ran into some friends from Arkansas at a convention in Las Vegas in July, ’92. We got to talking about Clinton, and I will never forget what they said: “they don’t call him Slick Willy for nothing.”

        That said, I made a lot of money during Clinton’s 2 terms, but much of it was made after the GOP took back Congress in ’94. Virtually all of Clinton’s successes were as a result of divided government. I firmly believe that, had he had the Democrat Majorities during his 8 years that Obama had during his first 2 years, we would have ended the 90’s in a deep hole instead of with a small surplus.

        I had mixed feelings about Bush 43, and we’ll never know if Gore or Kerry would have been better or worse. It became pretty obvious about a year or so into Bush’s 2nd term that he was just Progressive lite. His tax cuts did, by most economists account, lessen the impact of the recession he inherited from Clinton, and he kept us safe from another terrorist attack for the last 7-1/2 years of his presidency. Beyond that, I don’t think he did a lot for which history will ever praise him.

        My wife and I also re-registered as independents, but I’d have to say the the big difference between you and me is that I’m still basically a mainstream Conservative, albeit with Libertarian leanings. I’m not sure exactly what you are.

      • tiredoflibbs July 31, 2011 / 7:12 pm

        No watty, you have it backwards. You are the hypocritical one. We on this blog have criticized Bush and the Republicans spending.

        You bend over backwards to defend obAMATEUR and the Democrats no matter what.

        Facts are stupid things that you can’t deal with when they prove you wrong.

        Try again, drone.

      • watsonredux August 1, 2011 / 1:06 am

        Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Spook. I guess the problem I have with conservatism as it is now practiced is that it is essentially dishonest; it doesn’t actually attempt to make America as a whole better. Instead–and especially since New Gingrich took a hold of the house in the nineties–the main purpose of Republican conservativism is simply to gain power.

        Meanwhile, there are real problems to be solved. It’s juvenile, in my view, to simply dismiss Obamacare when how we handle health care in this nation is one of biggest problems we face. You’re obviously older than I, but I don’t want to condemn my mother to a lack of health care in her old age. It’s one of the problems we need to solve, and I don’t find that the Republicans want to solve it.

        I don’t know that I’ve become more conservative as I’ve aged so much as conservatives have become more conservative–and not in an attractive way.

      • tiredoflibbs August 1, 2011 / 6:01 am

        watty, again your ignorance shows.

        Your ASSumptions about conservatives is laughable and juvenille. Who do you think held Clinton’s feet to the fire on the budget that enabled him to realize the “surplus”?

        Remember the entitlement reform of the 90s? Who did that? Clinton was told point blank by his own staff that if he wanted to be reelected, welfare reform was necessary.

        Republicans and conservatives have plans for heathcare reform. You are ignorant of those proposals and of course none were successful since Nancy and Harry had a lock on any proposals or amendments. Allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines and encourage competition was one option. There are many more, but why spoil a learning opportunity for you.

        You are sick of ideology? But defend obAMATEUR’s and the Democrats’ “wash rinse repeat” style of government. Nothing new, tax and spend, spend and spend. Government spending under obAMATEUR vs GDP has gone up. The Bush tax cuts were not responsible for the deficits. As shown here dozens of times (and ignored dozens of times by you drones), it was spending that caused the deficits.

        You are a drone, nothing more. I cannot expect anything more from you.

  5. Retired Spook July 31, 2011 / 10:33 am

    Another area that has to be a top priority to change under a GOP controlled government is the EPA. While there is definitely a place for a government agency that catches and prosecutes polluters, the EPA has gotten completely out of control in recent years, and should be scaled back both in terms of budget and mission.

    • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 10:37 am


      and the ATF, OSHA, IRS and most other unconstitutional government agencies that act like the SS against American citizens
      also BUILD the FENCE!!!

      • Retired Spook July 31, 2011 / 10:40 am


        Just heard on the news this morning that illegal alien Mexicans are returning to Mexico in droves because…….drum roll, please…..Mexico’s economy is recovering with unemployment down to 5%. Too funny!

      • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 10:41 am

        Got a list of funny definitions today especially liked this one

        A doctrine, fostered by a delusional,illogical minority.

        tommygas, scummy, montypython?

      • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 10:43 am


        now if we could get some of our residents to sneak into Mexico, like 20-30 million……..OH wait that would be 2/3 of zeros “voters”

      • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 10:47 am


        I hadn’t thought about this – but where are Obama’s past girlfriends – surely he had at least one? No past girl friends popping up anywhere? Strange – strange to the point of being downright weird!

        OK, this is just plain old common sense, no political agendas for either side. Just common knowledge for citizens of a country, especially American citizens, who know every little tidbit about every other president (and their wives) that even know that Andrew Jackson’s wife smoked a corn cob pipe and was accused of adultery, or that Lincoln never went to school or Kennedy wore a back brace or Truman played the piano.

        We are Americans! Our Media vets these things out! We are known for our humanitarian interests and caring for our ‘fellow man.’ We care, but none of us know one single humanizing fact about the history of our own president.

        Honestly, and this is a personal thing … but it’s bugged me for years that no one who ever dated him ever showed up. Taken his charisma, which caused the women to be drawn to him so obviously during his campaign, looks like some lady would not have missed the opportunity….

        We all know about JFK’s magnetism, McCain was no monk, Palin’s courtship and even her athletic prowess were probed. Biden’s aneurisms are no secret. Look at Cheney and Clinton-we all know about their heart problems. How could I have left out Wild Bill before or during the White House?

        Nope… not one lady has stepped up and said, “He was soooo shy,” or “What a great dancer!”

        Now look at the rest of what we know… no classmates, not even the recorder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him.

        Who was the best man at his wedding? Start there. Check for groomsmen. Then get the footage of the graduation ceremony.

        Has anyone talked to the professors? Isn’t it odd that no one is bragging that they knew him or taught him or lived with him.

        When did he meet Michele and how? Are there photos? Every president provides the public with all their photos, etc. for their library. What has he released? Nada – other than what was in this so-called biography! And experts who study writing styles, etc. claim it was not Obama’s own words or typical of his speech patterns, etc.

        Does this make any of you wonder?

        Ever wonder why no one ever came forward from Obama’s past, saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc. ? Not one person has ever come forward from his past. This should really be a cause for great concern. Did you see the movie titled, The Manchurian Candidate?

        Let’s face it. As insignificant as we all are… someone whom we went to school with remembers our name or face…someone remembers we were the clown or the dork or the brain or the quiet one or the bully or something about us.

        George Stephanopoulos, ABC News said the same thing during the 2008 campaign. Even George questions why no one has acknowledged that the president was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches on campus. Stephanopoulos was a classmate of Obama at Columbia-class of 1984.He says he never had a single class with him.
        Since he is such a great orator, why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s college class remember him? And, why won’t he allow Columbia to release his records?
        Do you like millions of others, simply assume all this is explainable – even though no one can?


        Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but not one remembers him. For example,Wayne Allyn Root was (like Obama) a political science major at Columbia, who graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a single classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia … EVER!

        Nobody recalls him.

        Root adds that he was, “Class of ’83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him.”

        At our 20th class reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, ‘the macha’ who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him.”

        Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook, and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia.

        How can this be?

        NOTE: Wayne Allyn Root can easily be verified. He graduated valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School, then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science major in the same ’83 class in which Barack Hussein Obama states he was.

        Some other interesting questions.

        Why was Obama’s law license inactivated in 2002?

        Why was Michelle’s law license inactivated by court order?

        According to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama – but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases.


        The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where he is never reported to have lived.

        No wonder all his records are sealed!

        Please continue sending this out to everyone. Somewhere, someone had to know him in school…before he “reorganized” Chicago and burst upon the scene at the 2004 Democratic Convention and made us swoon with his charm, poise, and speaking pizzazz.

        One of the biggest CONS this country has ever seen, and getting away with it. Go watch the movie The Manchurian Candidate, with Lawrence Harvey! Good movie!

      • watsonredux July 31, 2011 / 12:58 pm

        And by the way tired, nice job of moderating the comments to keep them on topic.

      • tiredoflibbs July 31, 2011 / 3:57 pm

        “And by the way tired, nice job of moderating the comments to keep them on topic.”

        Watty, I see you still read at a 1st grade level. I explained what threads I can moderate.

        If you took the time to notice, instead of trying for another pathetic little gotcha, this is Mark’s thread.

      • watsonredux July 31, 2011 / 4:55 pm

        Thanks for the correction, tired. I eagerly anticipate your keeping the comments of your next post on track.

        In the meantime, in your post of yesterday entitled “The Tea Parties, the Future of Liberty and Liberal Intentional Slander,” we have this comment from NeoClown: “sitck to the fork, your BULL SHIITE is stinking this site up. FUBO and YOU!!”

        We all know what he means. Why do you put up with it?

      • MontyBurns August 1, 2011 / 11:11 am

        You are very, very emotionally invested in the notion that Obama might be gay, neocon. That says an awful lot about you. Or rather, it confirms a suspicion about you.

  6. Retired Spook July 31, 2011 / 10:59 am

    Back to Diane’s question, because it’s one of, if not the most thought-provoking comments ever posted here by someone from the Pitchfork. The average response from most Conservatives, myself included, is to come up with all kinds of common sense policies to return this country to it’s Constitutional, limited federal government roots. The Republican revolution in 1994 proved,however, that human beings are, after all, human, and power is like an aphrodisiac, particularly to a politician. It only took that freshman class of 1995 about 6-8 years to lose most of it’s intellectually honest members and fall into the spending-more-is-better mentality. Therefore, if the GOP were to gain the WH and a Congressional super-majority, it also must be accompanied by term limits. Once the major problems are solved, I’d love to see divided government in perpetuity. Historically, financial markets and economic growth during periods of divided government dwarf those where one party holds all the cards.

    • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 11:02 am


      im 1000% with you on term limits.

      • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 11:06 am

        only in America

        CLEVELAND (AP) – Several shots rang out from a handgun during a large fight near an outdoor concert venue in Cleveland, leaving four people wounded after

        a “Unity in the Park” festival

        featuring funk music artist George Clinton, police said Sunday.


    • Cluster July 31, 2011 / 11:15 am

      I agree Spook. Now the question is – will Diane or other liberals contest those points, or give us there own top ten.

    • dbschmidt July 31, 2011 / 1:42 pm

      At this point I have to agree with most of what was presented; however I would add repeal of the 17th Amendment, correction of the 14th to legal citizens, and repeal of just about everything President Wilson and his progressives had their little fingers in including case law usurping the actual law. Throw in getting rid of the Federal Reserve and going back to the gold standard and that would make a pretty solid foundation.

      Basically, returning to a Constitution-based government would be an all encompassing answer.

  7. Green Mountain Boy July 31, 2011 / 11:19 am

    The top ten lib points? Thats an easy one.
    1. Tax more.
    2. Spend more.
    3. Tax more.
    4. Spend more.
    5. Tax more.
    6. Spend more.
    7. Regulate more.
    8. Tax more.
    9. Spend more.
    10. Regulate more.

    • Amazona July 31, 2011 / 11:54 am

      GMB, I will amend your list a little.

      1….Tax more
      2….Spend more
      3…Regulate more
      4….Expand government
      5….Tax more
      6….Spend more
      7….Tax more
      8…..Spend more
      9…..Regulate more
      10….Keep expanding the size, scope and power of the federal government

      • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 12:39 pm

        when all the above steps have been reached finally we have communism…Oh wait!

      • tiredoflibbs July 31, 2011 / 3:58 pm

        you need to squeeze in there:

        Blame non-liberals.

  8. Mark Noonan July 31, 2011 / 1:32 pm

    Ah, you guys aren’t taking this in the right spirit – Cavalor doesn’t actually want to know what we’d do, he wants re-affirmation in the lies he believes. So, let’s give it to him:

    1. Throw granny over the cliff.
    2. Throw junior over the cliff.
    3. Beat a puppy to death.
    4. Throw it over the cliff, too.
    5. Dump nuclear waste over the cliff.
    6. Use sand from pristine, Hawaiian beaches to cover it all.
    7. Pave it with the bones of ground up liberals.
    8. Build condos.
    9. Refuse to allow gay people to live there.
    10. Drill, baby, drill.

    • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 1:57 pm


      • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 3:28 pm

        Marco Rubio
        I would love nothing more than to leave this building tomorrow night having said the republic still works. I was able to stand shoulder to shoulder with people from states far from mine with views different from mine but who love their country so much that we were able to come together and save it when it faced this catastrophe.

        I would love nothing more than compromise. But I would say to you that compromise that’s not a solution is a waste of time.

        If my house was on fire, I can‘t compromise about which part of the house I’m going to save. You save the whole house or it will all burn down.

        We either save this country or we do not.

      • Retired Spook July 31, 2011 / 3:47 pm


        And, what I find most interesting about Rubio’s comments is that you never, and I mean NEVER, hear a liberal Democrat talk about saving the country.

      • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 3:51 pm


        you are 100% correct this is what you hear from these commie leftist bastards………

        Fareed Zakaria: Tea Party ‘Fundamentally Anti-Democratic,‘ Will ’Blow the Country Up’

        CNN host Fareed Zakaria railed against the Tea Party Friday night, hours after the Senate blocked the House Republican debt plan. Speaking on “Anderson Cooper 360,“ Zakaria accused the Tea Party of being ”fundamentally anti-democratic“ and guilty of ”an extraordinary act of hostage-taking.”

        “Instead of accepting some compromise that can get through the democratic process, what they‘re saying is we’ll blow up the country if you don’t listen to us,” Zakaria said. “We’ll hold hostage the credit of the United States, the good standing of the United States and we’ll blow it up….it’s an extraordinary act of hostage-taking.”

        Agreeing with Charles Krauthammer’s reference to the strategy as “counter-constitutional,” Zakaria took it a step further, charging the Tea Party doesn’t “understand the workings of democracy.”

        “They have not been elected dictators of the United States, they have been elected to one house of one branch of the American government,” Zakaria said.

        be armed and be ready they are projecting the coming violence….these flash mobs are practice.

      • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 4:04 pm


        and your tea bagger friends.

        bwany fwank, larry sinclair and al-hussein are not our friends but they ALL ate teabaggers…like you.

      • MontyBurns August 1, 2011 / 11:12 am

        So Zakaria noticed that you teabaggers have been screaming “no compromise.” Why does that make you so angry, neocon?

  9. thomasg July 31, 2011 / 3:59 pm


    you’re delusional. there won’t be any violence. If anything, the violence will be from the right wing fanatics such as yourself and your tea bagger friends.

    you’re the classical delusional fear monger who projects his fears onto society.


    • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 9:21 pm


      more Americans murdered in washington DC than killed in 2 wars during the same period……Oh and NOT by right wing fanatics or “teabaggers”
      but from GOOD donks.

  10. Cluster July 31, 2011 / 3:59 pm

    I actually caught Rubio’s speech last night on CSPAN and it was absolutely inspiring. Rubio would make a fantastic POTUS

    • neocon1 July 31, 2011 / 9:19 pm


      cooked duck could do better than barry soetoro 0

    • Retired Spook July 31, 2011 / 10:38 pm


      Best line from your video: “liberalism costs more than the benefits it promises.”

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