Islamists in Libya

Not a good sign – from Barry Rubin over at Pajamas Media:

Finally, we have evidence that Islamists and even al-Qaeda supporters will play a central role in Libya’s new regime. Up to now there has been reasonable speculation that the U.S. government and NATO might be installing an anti-Western, Islamist government in Libya. Now there’s proof that this is so.

The actual government remains in the hands of non-Islamists, technocrats, ex-regime officials, and moderates. But the armed rebels who actually made the revolution have voted and their idol is…an al-Qaeda guy. Political power, said Mao Zedong, grows out of the barrel of a gun and in Libya’s case this seems a very reasonable expectation.

According to Al Jazeera, the network recommended by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as fair and balanced, Abdul al-Hakim al-Hasadi, also known as Abdelhakim Belhaj, has been named commander of the Tripoli Military Council. He was formerly head of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, an al-Qaeda affiliate. Moderates are understandably nervous…

The guys with the guns do tend to call the shots – and there is just about zero chance that NATO or the United States will start bombing the al-Qaeda affiliated rebels to shore up the non-Islamists. We can still hope that the non-Islamists have enough military force to keep the Islamists in line, but there is one thing you can say about the Islamsits…they do have propaganda convincing to at least that segment of the Moslem population willing to take up arms.  The best bet to make in Libya is that those who fought the hardest are likely to be Islamists, or open to Islamist propaganda.

Another problem hamstringing the rise of decency in Libya is that a good portion of the population is still apparently tribal in outlook…this can work to the advantage of those wanting a free nation, but it can also work against them:  those who are divided up by tribes will be confronting people united across tribal lines in the name of extremist Islam.  In any revolutionary situation, the most determined and disciplined minority will take charge…it was such during our own revolution, and we just hit the jackpot in that the people running our side of the fight were Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Adams and the like.  I haven’t seen any Washington-like person rising in any of the Moslem revolutions of late.

Once again I have to go back to my first views on Libyan intervention – we should have done it much sooner and much harder.  Had we acted swiftly to destroy the Gaddafi regime then it would have been gotten rid of before large bodies of dedicated, revolutionary soldiers were built up.  Before, that is, a large body of Islamist troops were created.  There would have been in reality no rebel army…and thus the chance for decent people to be in charge.  In any military action, there must be celerity of movement and maximum force…if you don’t want to move quickly and with enough power to over-kill the opposition, then it is best not to move at all.  We may get the worst of both worlds…a half-baked military intervention to be followed by a regime overtly hostile to the United States (Gaddafi’s Libya was hostile, but also wasn’t bothering anyone for the past 10 years or so).

Pray that the good guys win…but be prepared for quite a mess in Libya.

UPDATE:  Islamists plot to take over Libya.

UPDATE II:  Libyan rebels round up  blacks as enemies.


21 thoughts on “Islamists in Libya

  1. RetiredSpook September 4, 2011 / 9:44 am

    So what’s driving our Libya policy; naivete’ and incompetence or something more sinister?

    • Green Mountain Boy September 4, 2011 / 9:58 am

      Since I am on the frnge already, I will just say this is exactly the way bams and co wanted it. A unfriendly regime in libya just soothes bams hatred for everything western.

  2. Rightlane September 4, 2011 / 9:51 am

    Spook, I’m hoping it’s the latter. At least we can fight that.

  3. neocon1 September 4, 2011 / 10:22 am

    Muslims hate Israel, Ochimpy is a muslim.

    • RetiredSpook September 4, 2011 / 10:24 am

      He may not be a practicing Muslim, but it’s getting harder and harder to deny that Islam is where his heart is.

      • neocon1 September 4, 2011 / 10:28 am

        Well while in wrights “church” they had close ties with faracan and hamas so there is no denying it on his part.
        Heck they even gave screwy louie a lifetime achievement award.

      • neocon1 September 4, 2011 / 10:35 am

        was then the Manchurian candidate, today is the Manchurian POS

        “I wonder if Barack Obama read his pastor Jeremiah Wright’s church bulletin on July 22, 2007, because islamic jihadist Mousa Abu Marzook of Hamas has an opinion piece reprinted in that church bulletin, so do you suppose Barack saw or heard about that article which trumpets the islamic agenda (at the expense of U.S. and Israeli interests) in the Middle East?”

      • Green Mountain Boy September 4, 2011 / 10:43 am

        Take a look at any picture taken of bams during ramadan. Wristwatch and other jewelry is not to be seen. Wearing of any jewelry during ramadan is forbidden. Not a practicing muslim? Maybe he is, maybe he is not.

  4. neocon1 September 4, 2011 / 11:53 am

    why would a real pic of obama in muslim wear be taken off?

    • Green Mountain Boy September 4, 2011 / 12:04 pm

      You have been fatwawed. No more pics of ugly muzzie goats.

      • neocon1 September 4, 2011 / 12:06 pm

        the shadow must be having a slow day today.
        she also took down a post with Palins pic.

        “SHE?” //Moderator

      • neocon1 September 4, 2011 / 12:09 pm

        Obummer is an ugly muzzie goat?
        silly me 🙂

  5. Green Mountain Boy(You have an ugly goat) September 4, 2011 / 12:14 pm

    Pictures of grrlz in bikinis are also a no no. Anothe fatwa on you !!

    • neocon1 September 4, 2011 / 12:17 pm

      i guess
      someone has no sense of humidor.

      • Green Mountain Boy(You have an ugly goat) September 4, 2011 / 12:21 pm

        Don’t let it get to ya. Maybe the moderator had a bad experience at church today. It would be nice if the rules would be let known.

      • neocon1 September 4, 2011 / 1:04 pm

        the middle east is burning, war with Israel is coming closer every day, and the marxist muslim regine is doing this.

        Feds Raid Guitar Maker…Looking for Illegal Wood

        Federal Agents of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service raided factories and offices of Gibson Guitar in Memphis and Nashville on Wednesday, seizing wood pallets, electronic files and guitars.

        Federal authorities are apparently investigating Gibson for the alleged importation and use of illegal wood.

      • Green Mountain Boy(You have an ugly goat) September 4, 2011 / 1:43 pm

        Ya know that pic of Sarah P in the bikini? I found another just like it except for one small problem. It has the head of helen thomas on it. I wonder if I can link to it? Just to gross Neo out 😛

      • neocon1 September 4, 2011 / 1:46 pm

        If you do that to me you will be retaliated against, bwany fwank and the fat chick just for openers…. 🙂

      • Dvindice September 4, 2011 / 2:25 pm

        Neo, really??? before you post of pic of Janet Napolitano in a sombrero give a guy some warning will ya.

  6. Green Mountain Boy(You have an ugly goat) September 4, 2011 / 1:52 pm

    Oh no you don’t!! I have already seen those. bwany and the fat chick? New mtv reality show?

    • neocon1 September 4, 2011 / 2:03 pm


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