San Diego Blackout

Very strange – from NBC San Diego:

Communities across San Diego went dark Thursday afternoon as a power outage plagued parts of Southern California.

Southern parts of Orange County, Coachella Valley  and northern Mexico are experiencing outages as well.

Officials were unable to say when power would be restored…

…”Essentially we have two connections from the rest of the world: One of from the north and one is to the east. Both connections are severed,” said the SDG&E official, who also noted that the outage had prompted the San Onofre plant to be taken offline as well.

The FBI and SDG&E officials said the power outage was not related to a terror threat that officials notified the nation about at nearly the same time…

It is extraordinarily bizarre that both power lines went down at the same time – the odds against that happening are astronomical…if it wasn’t a terrorist attack, then just what was it?  However it happened, it makes you wonder about the security of our power grid.  Did some hacker break in and shut things down?

Very, very odd…


75 thoughts on “San Diego Blackout

  1. casper September 8, 2011 / 10:54 pm

    Sounds to me like this would be a good place to spend some money on infrastructure.

    • Mark Edward Noonan September 8, 2011 / 11:01 pm


      Sounds to me like a reason to ask why the first 800 billion or so in stimulus wasn’t used here…

      • Green Mountain Boy September 8, 2011 / 11:04 pm

        Sounds to me like a good time for the epa to scrap all those new regulations that are forcing power plants all over the country to shut down. Regulations that won’t mean anything in the end anyway except for more outages like this.

        Live it and love it. You voted for it. Enjoy it.

      • casper September 8, 2011 / 11:06 pm

        Since tax cuts were a big part of the stimulus, perhaps you could explain why they didn’t prevent this.

      • Mark Edward Noonan September 8, 2011 / 11:25 pm

        What I want to know is why the geniuses of government didn’t have at least one back up line to one of America’s largest cities and naval bases…that is something government is supposed to look after. Perhaps if we spent less time raiding Gibson because they are non-union we would have had some resources for the important stuff?

      • casper September 8, 2011 / 11:31 pm

        “What I want to know is why the geniuses of government didn’t have at least one back up line to one of America’s largest cities and naval bases…that is something government is supposed to look after. Perhaps if we spent less time raiding Gibson because they are non-union we would have had some resources for the important stuff?”

        Are you asking for more government? Sounds like it to me.

      • dbschmidt September 9, 2011 / 12:05 am


        Military, unlike civilian, are independent and able to function completely on internal means and supplies.

  2. dennis September 8, 2011 / 11:07 pm

    Took exactly 3 posts for it to be spun somehow as liberals’ fault.
    You guys are nothing if not predictable.

    • Green Mountain Boy September 8, 2011 / 11:12 pm

      Oh dennis what a joke you are. Take a look at the new regulations at the number of coal fired power plants that will have to shut down because of those regs. Then take a look of the percentage of national power that they provide.

      New plants are not coming online anywhere near the rate of what is going to be lost.

      bams people at the epa put these regulations in place. So yes it is the fault of you libbies.

      Enjoy it. Enjoy it most when it effects you.

      • MGM September 9, 2011 / 12:20 pm

        Algae bio fuels are going to save the planet. For all of you right wing nut-jobs who are uninformed, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CLEAN COAL.

      • tiredoflibbs September 9, 2011 / 1:12 pm

        Uh, MGM what are the waste products as a result of combustion of “algae biofuel”?

        Is it still CO2?

        You do know that algae releases methane, a much denser heat trapping gas than CO2. Also, in order to support the growth of said algae it must be fed CO2 in order for it to thrive and grow?


      • Amazona September 11, 2011 / 12:57 pm

        Algae are an amazing source of energy but it appears that MGM has an understanding of algae-based energy as superficial as that of most psuedo-Lefties of the system they support and enable.

        First, only some algae can be reasonable sources of energy. Second, the algae produce oil which can be processed into biodiesel. Algae alone are not sources of energy. Specific strains of algae have to be nurtured, dried, and pressed to obtain the oil which can then be used to make a fuel.

        As for needing to feed commercial algae with CO2, yes, this is true. But as we have sources of CO2 that have the Lefties peeing down their legs in distress, it is logical to set up a system of using that gas to feed the algae.

        Methane is also a gas which can be used to generate heat and energy. It does not have to be dumped into the atmosphere. I am not sure how much methane is produced by commercial algae, but the drying and pressing processes don’t produce methane. I’ll bet animals and decaying organic materials produce a lot more methane than algae. But if methane is produced, it ought to be considered yet another usable gas.

        Algae are very very cool as sources of oil for conversion into fuel, no doubt about it. And biodiesel is non-polluting and can and should be used to fire generators, etc., as well as to run vehicles. I am always spouting off about the benefits of diesel and biodiesel. But to say our energy problems can be solved by algae is ridiculous, and so is saying algae are not a reasonable source of energy because they consume CO2 and release methane.

    • bardolf September 8, 2011 / 11:16 pm


      This is a good example of too big to fail. When a mistake by a single corporate employee puts 2 million people in the dark it’s clearly the government to blame.

      A conspiracy lover would say the electric company just wants to remind everyone who really controls their lives and justify rate hikes in the future.

      • casper September 8, 2011 / 11:18 pm

        I guess it’s probably because the guy didn’t get enough of a tax break.

      • Green Mountain Boy September 8, 2011 / 11:20 pm

        Bardolf, Where are you getting this info? I can find no reference to what you are quoting. You are not drinking are you? 🙂

      • bardolf September 8, 2011 / 11:24 pm


        PHOENIX – At approximately 3:30 pm today, the North Gila – Hassayampa 500 kV transmission line near Yuma, Ariz., tripped off line resulting in a major power outage across southwest Arizona and into Southern California. Among APS customers, approximately 56,000 lost service throughout Yuma, Somerton, San Luis and Gadsden. APS is in the process of restoring service to customers in these communities.

        The outage appears to be related to a procedure an APS employee was carrying out in the North Gila substation, which is located northeast of Yuma. Operating and protection protocols typically would have isolated the resulting outage to the Yuma area. The reason that did not occur in this case will be the focal point of the investigation into the event, which already is under way.

      • Green Mountain Boy September 8, 2011 / 11:26 pm

        Casper, I doubt that it was one person that did this until I can find more info. However if it was just one person it was propably some eco wacko that just read prince chucks screed and felt he had to save the world.

      • Green Mountain Boy September 8, 2011 / 11:29 pm

        I don’t see any blame being put on the single person. I see the blame being focused on the procedure.

        “The outage appears to be related to a procedure an APS employee was carrying out in the North Gila substation”

        I will withhold my judjement until more info is available.

      • bardolf September 8, 2011 / 11:43 pm

        SAN DIEGO (AP) — An employee removing a piece of monitoring equipment that was causing problems likely caused a massive outage that left more than 2 million people without electricity across the Southwest and northern Mexico.

        Dan Froetscher (FRO-shur), a vice president at Arizona Public Service Co., says it wasn’t a deliberate act that knocked out power at a substation in North Gila northeast of Yuma, Arizona. He would not say whether it was mistake or how much experience the employee had.

      • dbschmidt September 9, 2011 / 12:16 am

        Sounds a lot like a scapegoat to me as any piece of “monitoring” equipment should be designed to be turned on and off at will as well as added or removed without affecting anything but the logging of the results.

        BTW, Casper–sorry, my comment about military bases should have been directed at Mark.

      • neocon1 September 9, 2011 / 8:22 am


        are you stoned boy?
        put down the bong, and drink the kool aid with dear leader barrrrack’s picture on it.

      • Amazona September 11, 2011 / 1:07 pm

        dolf and casper are just trying to outsmirk each other. casper seems to be in yet another snit about OP not paying enough in taxes, so he and his fellow Lefties can get their paws on more of OPM. Poor baby.

        And dolf is just dolfing, preening over being a relatively big fish in a very small academic pond and thinking this translates into being respected as a political pundit no matter how twee and fey he sounds as he makes his silly pronouncements.

        Yes, the explanation is that a guy goofed. We got it. But there are still questions, such as why a single guy doing a single dumb thing should shut down a whole system. But let’s not go there—-it distracts from the dolfing.

        When I ran a restaurant in Santa Fe, my best friend worked at a big hotel in town, which was managed by a moron. One night in the off season, when most of the rooms were empty, they were cleaned out by thieves who stole the TVs. It turned out that the manager had unplugged the alarm system that was supposed to alert to a TV being unplugged, because it was the most convenient place for him to plug in his coffee maker.

        The thing is, unplugging the alarm system did not steal the TVs—it only meant that there was no alarm raised when a TV was unplugged. Or when many TVs were unplugged. This was merely a minor oversight, that of having the alarm system so easily disarmed. Now, if the system was set up so that when it was unplugged every TV set in the hotel was immediately stolen, that would have indicated a far more serious defect in the system.

    • Mark Edward Noonan September 8, 2011 / 11:25 pm


      That is only because Casper got first comment…we’ll make certain we blame the liberals first, next time.

    • neocon1 September 9, 2011 / 7:59 am


      NO it took catspukes usual stupidity and BS to sink the post into the toilet.

  3. bardolf September 8, 2011 / 11:08 pm

    An employee at a power substation in southwest Arizona likely caused a massive outage that left more than 2 million people without electricity across the Southwest and northern Mexico. APS is Arizona’s largest and longest serving electric utility and serves more than 1.1 million customers in 11 of the state’s 15 counties. With headquarters in Phoenix, APS is the principal subsidiary of Pinnacle West Capital Corp. (NYSE: PNW)

    “It is extraordinarily bizarre that both power lines went down at the same time – the odds against that happening are astronomical.”-Mark

    The power lines were not INDEPENDENT so the odds are not astronomical. It does make one think about how fortunate we are to have electricity so common that any glitch is cause for concern.

    • Mark Edward Noonan September 8, 2011 / 11:26 pm


      Then I’m with DB – we have a power system with no redundancy in it?

      • bardolf September 8, 2011 / 11:33 pm


        SO you understand the intentions of the evil corporate overlords now. They could have redundancy but choose otherwise for bigger profits. They are evil and want you to beg for the energy they deliver.

        This is one of the areas where Amazona is ahead of the pack. She has a big interest in making lots of companies compete for your energy needs. Also the independent generators and seed banks will be useful soon.

        Indeed, the survivalist mentality here on B4V will really pay off in these end times. I hadn’t even thought to a nightcap before GMB put the idea in my head!

      • Green Mountain Boy September 8, 2011 / 11:36 pm

        Bardolf, you don’t need that drink. It will not help you survive anything, much less a power outage.

      • bardolf September 8, 2011 / 11:41 pm


        I don’t drink on school nights. If I did the basket weaving and pole sitting classes would get mixed up and I might start teaching basket sitting!

      • Green Mountain Boy September 8, 2011 / 11:45 pm

        Pole sitting and basket weaving? I thought you taught coed naked shakespearian litature. Oh well, as long as it’s not underwater basket weaving during a blackout, I guess you are ok. 😛

      • Green Mountain Boy September 8, 2011 / 11:56 pm

        I have got the seeds and a small generator. I do not look to be using it much after the collapse. You should use as little electricity as possible. My electric bill last month was under 40 dollars. Long term food and seed storage is possible without electricity. Simplify your life as much as you can and survival is all the more possible.

        Also get used to looking at the south end of a north bound horse and watch your step. 🙂

      • dbschmidt September 9, 2011 / 12:11 am


        The evil corporate overlords would have built redundancy into the system because they could not rake in their evil profit margins without a product to sell to the hapless elites of Cali.

        Maybe you have knocked back a few and confused redundancy (evil overloads) and dependency (liberal masses) ???

      • bardolf September 9, 2011 / 10:15 am


        You’re missing an essential part of the overlords view. While true that they lost a day or so of selling product (which they’ll take off as a loss on their taxes) they have instilled the idea that a valuable commodity is less plentiful than imagined.

      • Amazona September 11, 2011 / 1:13 pm

        So now I “have a big interest in making lots of companies compete for your energy needs” ? ?????

        And you know this…

        Not that it is a bad idea. As a matter of fact, it is a great idea and a foundational aspect of the free market system.

        But how odd for dolf to make such a statement. No, on the other hand it is just dolf, dolfing again. I suppose this sounded quite darling and clever when it bounced around in his mind, and just showed its utter stupidity when put into words.

        Just to get ahead of the dolf curve, I also have a “big interest” in making lots of companies compete for our educational needs, and our health care needs, and our housing needs, and our lending needs, and….but you get the idea.

      • Amazona September 11, 2011 / 1:46 pm

        Oh, dolf, not to let reality intrude on your little self-satisfied titter over your own (imagined) wit, but when there is plenty of competition in energy production, no one has to “beg” anyone for anything.

        That’s kind of the point……

  4. dbschmidt September 8, 2011 / 11:10 pm

    It was a couple of them there Rednecks, John & Joe Six-pack in their backhoes digging trenches and since them there Southern folks are all kinds of not-so-smart and liquored up all day & night–couldn’t reads nor writes them blue print thingees and well, excrement transpires.

    Put my money on them there “Elites” that mismanaged the power supply once one trunk was cut causing automatic shutdown in the other.

  5. dbschmidt September 8, 2011 / 11:13 pm

    “Power lines were not independent”- Bardolf.

    Another fine job but the elites with their powerful reasoning and thinking abilities. Hell, I have never been in a Data Center that did not have independent feeds…it is part of a magical word we call redundancy.

  6. Me September 8, 2011 / 11:51 pm

    Green mountain Boy.

    I am suffering from the outage, the area where i live was over 110 today. Still i got to hate ignorant souls like yourself.

    Bring back coal plants? why? so much pollution coming out of those coal plants are causing average temperature to raise… temperatures raise then i will have to use more my air conditioning… then another blackout due to lack of power outage.

    Shut up about regs, you must be like 60 or more, no green concience. we should force more green energy not go back. i can tell you that the one thing we have in souther cali is SUN and WIND. why not ask, no better yet, force investment to go for these energy source rather than pollute.

    • dbschmidt September 9, 2011 / 12:00 am

      Can you say “Solyndra” as in $500+ million taxpayer dollars and the now-bankrupt solar energy firm Solyndra appears to have a cozy financial relationship with the Obama administration, company representatives also made numerous visits to the White House to meet with administration officials,

      I follow “green” and have for 15+ years and as soon as it becomes affordable (as in returns more than I spend) I will purchase and employ it fully. But like many here that flap in to determine others fates–you would probably say that I should hire 10 workers at $100K each even if they only return $50K in ability each or in a favor socialist word — collectively.

    • Green Mountain Boy September 9, 2011 / 12:05 am

      “Force Investment” Okay you go ahead and do that. Let me know how that works out will ya. The sun and wind, by all means use that and you pay for it.

      Get used to the blackouts. They will be occuring more and more in the future. I hope you enjoy them. 🙂

    • You September 9, 2011 / 12:05 am

      no better yet, force investment to go for these energy source rather than pollute.

      Me and You are definitely on the same page. Green is definitely the way to go. We should just shut down all coal plants and concentrate on wind and solar, even in areas where the wind don’t blow and the sun don’t shine. Spain has got their unemployment all the way up to 20% by going green. And everyone knows that unemployment benefits stimulate the economy better than anything else — something like $1.60 for every dollar paid out. So we could increase GDP by 60% if we’d just go green and double unemployment.

    • neocon1 September 9, 2011 / 8:02 am


      stupidity seems to be your strong point

    • Amazona September 11, 2011 / 1:18 pm

      Me”, are you ready to fight fight fight for the building of new transmission lines to get that solar and wind generated electricity to the places that need it? If so, get ready to take on the pseudo-enviros.

      And while you are planning your strategy to fight those who say they want “clean energy” but do everything they can to block its transmission to urban areas, you can study up a little on the new coal technology. It might make you sound a tad bit less like a knee-jerk pseudo-enviro yourself, spouting outdated talking points.

      BTW, if the technology is feasible and the product can be transmitted to where it needs to be, there will be no need to FORCE investment. People will line up to invest in technology that has a chance of success.

  7. Green Mountain Boy September 9, 2011 / 12:15 am

    Ya know here. I bought a handy little item at a camping store a few years ago. Its a shower that uses the sun to heat the water. On a normal 75 degree day it takes about 6 hours for the water to heat to my preferred level. At that rate it would 36 and soon to be 48 hours for my whole family to have one shower. Not good in my opinion.

    Yes solar power is the way to go. If you want to be smelly and stinky. You go ahead “me” At least I will be able to smell you coming and act accordingly.

    • RetiredSpook September 9, 2011 / 12:27 am


      We had solar panels back in the 70’s before it was cool. We had a cape cod with a 10/12 roof, facing almost straight south — perfect for solar. We had one of the most unique installations around at that time. In the late spring, summer and early fall it heated our hot water, and in the winter it switched over and heated our closed loop geothermal system, adding about 5-6 degrees to the ground loop on a sunny day. In the summer it actually boiled the water in the solar tank on more than a few occasions, and I had to replace the pressure relief valve several times.

      • Green Mountain Boy September 9, 2011 / 12:31 am

        Do you still have this system Spook?

      • RetiredSpook September 9, 2011 / 12:49 am


        No, we sold that place when we built our present house back in 1997. The people who bought it thought the solar panels were ugly and ripped them off. I have no idea if they knew they were tied into the geothermal. They weren’t too bright.

        We do have geothermal in our present house, only open loop utilizing our well water and discharging into our pond — very efficient. The new house also has a fair steep roof (8/12) with a good portion facing south, but we’re in the woods, so solar was not really a viable option.

      • Green Mountain Boy September 9, 2011 / 1:10 am

        Spook, to each thier own. If you are happy with the way you have things set up by all means use it. Would you say this system was worth the money you invested in it. Would this system fit into a survivalist mentality?

        Always looking for any ideas that can work when the collapse comes.

    • Amazona September 11, 2011 / 1:32 pm

      GMB, I know the camping heater you are talking about. But the new stuff is really amazing.

      As for older stuff, check into the old Trombe Wall construction so common in the Southwest. It is easy and cheap and quite effective.

      Basically, if you have a south-facing wall, you paint it black or cover it with a heat sink material that is black. In the Southwest the houses using this were usually adobe, which, when heated, retained the heat. You can get the same effect or better by using concrete or cinder block or anything that can act as a heat sink. Pile rocks or other heat-sink material in front of the wall. The build a lean-to in front of the wall, deeper at the bottom and tapering up to meet the wall at the top, with solid side walls and a glass front.

      The air in this envelope will get to 150 degrees or hotter. You can vent directly into the rooms behind the Trom Wall, and let natural convection move the warmer air into the room and pull the cooler air out, or you can duct from the envelope and move the air wherever you want it.

      More modern versions have insulated coverings to cover the glass at night, keeping the air inside warm.

      I have designed a huge Trom Wall to run along the south wall of an indoor riding arena and barn complex, with duct work throughout the buildings, and attached to a wood-fired boiler to augment the heat when necessary, using the same duct work.

      A black-painted tank in the envelope would also heat water, for direct use or for a heat exchange system. Again, this is low-tech, passive, and relatively cheap.

      On my way back from CPAC year before last I came west on I-80 and at the Iowa border saw the new John Deere plant on the north side of the highway, and it looked like the entire south wall was a high-tech Trom Wall. I spent an hour or more trying to get close to it to check it out. Now two of my brothers are invited to a special tour of the factory, as JD is trying to get our business, and I have given them instructions to get as much info as possible, and pictures, of that installation.

      As for the wood-fired boiler, a friend has a big ranch in an extremely cold and windy valley in Colorado. He put in a wood-fired boiler. It cost him $13,000 for total installation and retrofitting of his house, offices, barns and shop, and it paid for itself the first year in savings over using propane. It heats the house and offices by a heat exchanger system and hot water baseboard heat, it heats the big buildings with thermostatically controlled fans blowing through big radiators, and it supplies all hot water needs for all buildings. He puts logs in the firebox twice a day, and the only cost other than the wood is the small electric bill for the pumps.

  8. Green Mountain Boy September 9, 2011 / 12:23 am

    “me”. Do you know anything about Tehachapi? Please go visit the wind farms there. I hear its quiet a sight.

  9. melody reed September 9, 2011 / 12:24 am

    I am my own power station. No government forced me to go solar, I did it by my own volition. I want to be able to look my grandchildren in their eyes and tell them I did everything I could to reduce my carbon footprint. In other words, I listened to my own inner moral authority, to protect God’s earth as best I could for future generations.

    • neocon1 September 9, 2011 / 8:07 am


      glad you fell for the BS of “carbon footprint”, the rest of us werent that stupid.

    • Amazona September 11, 2011 / 1:41 pm

      Awww, aren’t you special? Don’t you get a little dizzy, up there so high on the Higher Moral Ground?

      I’m a big proponent of solar power as well as biodiesel, and in my building will be extremely solar-oriented. But I do it because it’s smart, and it’s interesting to learn about and try new technology as well as to incorporate older knowledge. I don’t need to shore up my spiritual credit line by preening as being morally superior.

      But then, I am not a Liberal, either.

  10. dennis September 9, 2011 / 12:25 am

    Mark, I wondered why you were deviating from standard operating procedure – lol…

    Having one significant thing in common with Ama – living on a piece of land in a rural area – I’m convinced of the wisdom of having a generator and few days’ fuel supply. Last time power went out here for more than 24 hours was about 5 years ago, and not having a functional well pump was the worst. Doesn’t take a great big generator to power that, a refrigerator and some computer gear (and battery chargers). There are some ways in which a survivalist mentality are plain common sense. The next step is having photovoltaic panels on the roof and bigger batteries, but that will cost more.

    As for coal-fired power plants, anybody here seen mountaintop removal up close? I have, and to say it ain’t pretty doesn’t do it justice. It’s an insult to nature more ways than I can enumerate. Not to mention the other environmental damage, toxins and greenhouse gasses the coal industry generates at multiple steps in the energy production chain.

    It baffles me why small government and states’ rights advocates aren’t among the most enthusiastic for local energy production and energy self-sufficiency from region to region wherever possible. Of course it costs more than old-style coal-fired electrical power (duh…) Modern sanitation costs more than dumping raw sewage in the gutter, too – but is there any question about that? There really is very little difference when one looks at the larger picture. The long-term costs of environmental pollution are akin to the health costs of poor sanitation – only with a longer time line to play out.

    Everyone knows (do they really??) intelligent creatures don’t foul their nests. Sad it has taken the Clean Air and Water Acts and the EPA to get people to stop doing that, and now every GOP candidate (except maybe Huntsman?) wants to eliminate the EPA. But they all have indoor plumbing, and expect clean water when they turn on the tap. Astonishing, isn’t it?

    • neocon1 September 9, 2011 / 8:09 am


      say it ain’t pretty doesn’t do it justice. It’s an insult to nature more ways than I can enumerate. Not to mention the other environmental damage, toxins and greenhouse gasses the coal industry generates at multiple steps in the energy production chain.

      usual leftist nonsense, enjoy the coming crash stooge you morons worked hard for it.

    • Amazona September 11, 2011 / 12:47 pm

      And who really cares how much it costs? After all, that is only something that would concern the poor and the middle class, and we can always take OPM to make up for it.

      Coal mining has changed and reclamation requirements are more stringent and demanding. Yes, mountains are cut off to mine coal but when the area is reclaimed what you have are knolls and hills instead of mountains, covered with grass, etc.

      It is foolish to think we can have this without sacrificing a little of that. All of life involves some tradeoffs.

      What I notice is the either/or paradigm: If conservatives don’t absolutely embrace alternative energy sources as they exist now and at the same time absolutely reject existing energy sources, then they just don’t care. Nonsense. There is an ongoing exploration and experimentation process regarding every single known alternate source of energy. It’s just that none of them are quite ready to take over from goal and natural gas.

      The EPA whine is just that—a whine. It reflects a litany of Leftist beliefs, all intertwined and muddled up together but, when taken as a whole showing the innate distrust and even hatred of capitalism and those deemed to represent it, the conservatives, along with the smug claim of the Left to the Higher Moral Ground of virtue. It is based on the belief that no capitalist would ever, on his own, take any step to improve anything, what with being so preoccupied with raping the land and callously destroying the earth. It is tied in with the belief that only the Left is virtuous enough to CARE, and that only the government can be trusted to do anything. It’s a silly cartoonish vision of the world, in which the Other Side is portrayed as villainous and untrustworthy and in constant opposition to the side of good and virtue, which is of course the Left.

      It’s crap.

  11. eddie September 9, 2011 / 12:40 am

    Some one divided by zero

  12. Heavyblogrollingin September 9, 2011 / 1:46 am

    Wow I have been reading your blogs and you all have so many intelligent opinions. As a conspiracy theorist, I have speculation the whole outage was a huge distraction orchestrated by the government. Do any of you have any insights or thoughts on this matter?

    • Green Mountain Boy September 9, 2011 / 1:53 am

      It was those space aliens that nasa is worried about. They were testing a new mega-emp weapon out. They have to keep us from destroying our planet.

      • neocon1 September 9, 2011 / 8:10 am



  13. bagni September 9, 2011 / 8:02 am

    blame homer simpson…..

    • neocon1 September 9, 2011 / 8:10 am

      na nu na nu

      just your speed dork from ork.

  14. IDK my name September 9, 2011 / 3:21 pm

    Just wait for the confirmation that this act was deliberate, instead of talking about irrelevant topics on this post.

    No disrespect, but, find a blog where you can relate your posts to—
    don’t deter indirectly intellectual posts about this event by creating a fray of communications between eachother.

    Thank you.

    IDK, you are not a moderator. // Moderator

    • neocon1 September 9, 2011 / 3:56 pm

      What, you think I won’t notice? Remember the name—the shadow is watching. More of this and you will not be posting here any more. //Moderator

  15. MGM September 9, 2011 / 3:25 pm

    You are misinformed my friend if you think that Algae’s consumption of Co2 and production of oxygen is harmful to the environment. Two thirds of the air you breathe is produced by Algae. Algae can also be grown in arid water on un-farmable land. Coal is not sustainable, get over it. If we use Algae to make fuel we can use less water than say corn, which needs pure water and farmland, we can use less land, and at the same time help purify water that is tainted with nutrients used in farming.

    BTW… ever seen a corn stock tripple its biomass in a day?

    • IDK my name September 9, 2011 / 3:46 pm

      Again with the irrelevance…

      Please post onto this blog only the necessary input that would inform others about your perpective towards the prior event (which is the topic of this current blog).

      • neocon1 September 9, 2011 / 3:57 pm

        Last chance. //Moderator

    • tiredoflibbs September 9, 2011 / 10:49 pm

      “You are misinformed my friend if you think that Algae’s consumption of Co2 and production of oxygen is harmful to the environment.”

      Uh, no, you lack of reading comprehension has you making wrong conclusions of what I said.

      Thanks for playing.

    • Amazona September 11, 2011 / 1:35 pm

      Uh, MGM, you really need to get a grip, and learn something, before you post.

      Air is not produced by algae.

      Commercial algae are grown in enclosed tubes.

      There is no such thing as “arid water”. Get a dictionary, OK?

      The corn stalk comment is just plain dumb, not to mention misspelled. “tripple”?

      Remember, I am an algae fan, and have been promoting it here for years, and I still think you’re goofy.

  16. WHY AM I YELLING?!!! September 9, 2011 / 4:01 pm

    Deleted. //Moderator

    • neocon1 September 9, 2011 / 4:49 pm

      Blackout = union SABOTAGE???
      so Ochimpy’s “army” is on the march……

      Unionized Longshoreman Revolt: Guards Held Hostage, Reports of Strike

      Damaged railroad cars. Smashed windows. Dumped grain. Delayed trains. Guards held hostage. This was the scene at the center of a labor dispute in Washington state Thursday involving hundreds of Longshoremen and a company that is using labor from outside the union.

      Later in the morning, reports of a wildcat strike at the ports of Seattle and Tacoma were being investigated.

  17. Amazona September 11, 2011 / 12:26 pm

    After the rolling blackout that ran from Ohio to Ontario and back, a few years ago, several of us started to talk about the ease of shutting down the various grids, dumping demand from small unsecured plants onto larger ones and creating the domino effect we saw begin in Ohio. It is certainly not unreasonable to speculate—–as long as we remember that it is only speculation—that when two separate areas go down at the same time, there is at least the possibility that there is something there to examine.

    We have seen tests of airline security and response to in-flight oddities, as shown by the Praying Imam incident. What is so outrageous about wondering if this is another test of another system?

    Remember, the RRL has had hysterical fits for 10 years now over the failure—- FAILURE !!!!! I say !!!! — of the new Bush administration to see some sinister pattern in a series of vague and nonspecific comments about an attack on the U.S. using planes. Now they seem to be saying we should look the other way and whistle past the graveyard when we see things that are actually suspicious, after being attacked and learning more about the intent and range of planning of radical Islamists.

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