Saudis Give Us Excuse to Ditch Them

From Turki al-Faisal in the New York Times:

The United States must support the Palestinian bid for statehood at the United Nations this month or risk losing the little credibility it has in the Arab world. If it does not, American influence will decline further, Israeli security will be undermined and Iran will be empowered, increasing the chances of another war in the region.

Moreover, Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has…

Ok, deal – all we have to do is the right thing, and the Saudis will have to cut their ties with us.  Wonderful!  Best thing I’ve heard in months on the foreign policy scene.  No longer shackled to a corrupt, oppressive, Islamist monarchy which provides bags of money for the Islamo-fascist enemies of the United States.

The linked Op-Ed goes on to claim that bid for statehood by the Palestinians is just basic justice.  I can’t see it as such.  The people of so-called Palestine have indicated no willingness to engage the Israelis in a decent manner.  Whether this is because of a malevolent spirit on the part of the people, or because the leaders of the people are deliberately orchestrating the evil is impossible to know…but until there is a fundamental change in Palestinian actions, not much can be done.  The United States cannot – morally or strategically – mid-wife the creation of an entity determined to massacre the Israelis.  It would be good to see Israel go one full year without a single terrorist attack by Islamists.  No rocket attacks from Gaza or Lebanon; no attempted cross-border incursions; no attempt to run the Gaza blockade.  If that happens, then we could consider backing statehood.  Until then, nothing doing.

As for Saudi Arabia:  good riddance to bad rubbish, I say…unfortunately, watch as our foreign policy “realists” react with horror to the mere thought that the Saudi monarchy might be displeased with us.

25 thoughts on “Saudis Give Us Excuse to Ditch Them

  1. Cluster September 12, 2011 / 12:16 pm

    The United States must support the Palestinian bid for statehood at the United Nations this month or risk losing the little credibility it has in the Arab world.

    Who gives a F**K what credibility we have those barbarians. I wonder if they ever worry about what credibility they have with us? Which is zero.

    • Mark Edward Noonan September 12, 2011 / 12:29 pm


      Pretty much – we just passed a major anniversary of the “credibility” we have in the Arab world.

      • neocon1 September 12, 2011 / 1:17 pm

        let them eat SHIITE and die.
        the palis have a home state it is called Jordan

  2. RetiredSpook September 12, 2011 / 1:17 pm

    But, but, but, I thought Obama was going to get the Moslem world to love us. Oh, well, his intentions were good, I’m sure.

    Anyone else remember early in the Iraq War when our resident Lefties said we attacked the wrong country — that it should have been Saudi Arabia because that’s where the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from? It’ll be interesting to hear their current take on the situation.

    • thomasg0102 September 12, 2011 / 9:05 pm

      Israel is toast. they made their bed. They made peace treaties with tyrants in Egypt and now they have to wonder why the people of Egypt hate them. Oh and the fact that they killed Egyptian soldiers in air raids…IN EGYPT!

      Yes, that goes over well with any country.

  3. Sergei Andropov September 12, 2011 / 1:27 pm

    “watch as our foreign policy ‘realists’ react with horror to the mere thought that the Saudi monarchy might be displeased with us.”

    You called?

    From a realist perspective (and the Saudis, for one, are definitely realists), the key phrase is “Iran will be empowered”. Saudi Arabia is trying to get into a mini Cold War with Iran as they vie for supremacy over the Middle East. They’re not going to do anything to help Iran. It’s nice to think that they might put worthless de jure recognition for their Arab brothers ahead of their own plans to become a regional superpower, but let’s be serious. If the Saudis cared about Palestinians, they wouldn’t be denying them basic rights back at home.

    • neocon1 September 12, 2011 / 1:35 pm

      the scourge of the earth.

      • thomasg0102 September 12, 2011 / 9:06 pm


        you’re a deep thinker. better read that bible again grandpa, Israel is on its last legs as we know it today.

      • Green Mountain Boy September 12, 2011 / 9:24 pm

        You advising someone to read the bible? Now thats funny if not sad. Maybe you should skip to the last page. Israel survives. Too bad huh?

      • thomasg0102 September 12, 2011 / 11:23 pm

        it was a joke you dense mennonite. The bible is a fairy tale. get a life.

        when is the last time you saw a man walk on water? or heal a blind person?

        hint, jesus was just another guy, except he thought he was special and people were dumb enough to believe him.

        you’re welcome. no run along.

      • Green Mountain Boy September 13, 2011 / 8:58 am

        Haters are going to hate. You are a hater.

    • Cluster September 12, 2011 / 1:44 pm

      IF the greater Arab world gave two shits about the Palestinians, they would accommodate them, but it’s not really about the Palestinians, is it?

      • neocon1 September 12, 2011 / 1:48 pm


        dozens of nations with 800 million people a sixth of the worlds land mass and nowhere for the palis to go??
        it never was about the palis it has always been about the destruction of Israel.

      • thomasg0102 September 12, 2011 / 11:26 pm

        throw the jews into the ocean…and hope they can swim.

        or better yet, send them to my Germany, we would know what to do with them the second time around.

        and this time we won’t leave any survivors.

        /sarcasm off

        neoconehead, the issue is bigger than your peanut brains can handle, so please leave it alone and let the sane adults handle it.

      • neocon1 September 13, 2011 / 3:48 am


        /sarcasm off

        that was not “sarcasm” sasan, that was pure islamic – iranian hatred seething through your filthy murderous religion on a whole race of people.
        ESAD MF

    • RetiredSpook September 12, 2011 / 1:50 pm

      It’s nice to think that they might put worthless de jure recognition for their Arab brothers ahead of their own plans to become a regional superpower

      LOL! What are you smoking?

      • Sergei Andropov September 13, 2011 / 8:07 am

        It’s fairly well known that Saudi Arabia, even though it is neither the most populous nor the most powerful state in the Middle East (that would be Egypt on both counts) believes that, since it has Mecca, it has the right to lead the Arab world. This is why they keep taking the role of diplomatic mediator, and why they keep fretting so much about Iran and the Shiites. Why else would they have launched that quiet invasion of Bahrain? Because they were worried that it might inflame their own non-existent sectarian divides? Because Bahrain is such a major economic force? They did it to prop up a Sunni monarchy ruling over a Shiite, and thus potentially pro-Iran, population. Likewise, if you look at the areas where they threatened non-cooperation — Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq — they’re all areas where Iran has been inserting its tentacles as part of its own bid to forge a powerful Shiite bloc.

    • Mark Edward Noonan September 12, 2011 / 4:05 pm


      The last thing I want is for the United States to be shackled to Saudi Arabia for a decades-long Cold War with Iran. Better, in the end, if Iran did conquer Saudi Arabia…it would clarify matters; better, still, if the Saudi and Iranian governments destroy each other.

      • js September 13, 2011 / 7:36 am

        never happen…if the saudi’s were forced to make a choice…of war or submission…they would submit

      • Sergei Andropov September 13, 2011 / 8:13 am

        They’re not out for conquest, though if they started to get it it wouldn’t surprise me if it went to their heads. This is more about the border region between the Shiite and Sunni worlds, e.g. Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc.

        As for what the Saudis would do if they had to make that sort of choice, i.e. if Iran threatened to invade, they would almost certainly first whine to us, then call for a global jihad to defend Mecca from the Twelvers, and try to get other countries like Egypt involved. I don’t think they would just roll over and die, though a lot of the more portly princes would probably flee the country.

  4. js September 13, 2011 / 7:27 am

    dump the libtards…dump the saudi’s…and put down incentives for oil and shale production…

    fact is…the reason reagan was successful…was not because he spent money…it was because he created an environment to create jobs…he let the free market work…they created the jobs…they increased the number of workers spending money…reagans across-the-board tax cuts lowered the top income tax rate from 70 percent to 50 percent…and eventually to 28 percent…the tax relief unleashed a 20-year surge of entrepreneurship..and the U.S. economy tripled in size

    • js September 13, 2011 / 7:32 am

      those tax cuts created 2.8 million jobs…per year…for 2 decades…hmmm…wonder why the libtards never figured that out…

      in the two decades before the Reagan tax relief, the S&P 500 increased 120 percent…n the 20 years following Reagan’s tax cuts…the market jumped 575 percent…

      do ya figure those number mean ANYTHING?

  5. js September 13, 2011 / 7:35 am

    if they would give tax free or substantial reduced tax burden to job creators on corporations…you would find everyone would create jobs…hmmm…wonder why they cant figure that out…

    say, let them create 1000 jobs…cut thier tax rate…50%…5000..give them 70% off thier base rate of taxation…for 5 years….see what happens and see how to compete with china….

    but all you hear from the dumbocrats…is raise taxes…hogwash…cut spending…cut taxes…and figure out why reagan was successful…

  6. Mark September 28, 2011 / 12:37 pm

    Palestine is seeking recognition as a state. They are already recognized as a nation under international law; however, they do not have any land to call their own. Under Resolution 242, Israel has already withdrawn from more than 90% of the land they seized by winning in war. The Arab League, starting in 1967 continuing on today, refuses to allow any land for the Palestinians, refusal, not just in violation of Resolution 242, but in violation of decent human dignity and of the Palestinian people themselves.

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