The Ultimate Motive of “Gunwalker”?

Interesting take over at Pajamas Media:

…Gunwalker purposefully increases social unrest (increased gun violence/destabilizing Mexico), with the possible result of overloading the U.S. public welfare system (more illegal aliens fleeing the violence in Mexico and Central America). Gunwalker’s perpetrators could then use that influx to create an insurmountable constituency of poor seeking handouts from the Democratic Party. The hope of the strategy is to force a system-wide collapse of the current system, and then to rebuild the government in a variant of the strongest socialist model they think the public will accept.

It sounds too devious. It appears to fit.

Take Operation Fast and Furious in Arizona, the two suspected operations in Texas, Operation Castaway in Tampa, and the newer allegations of “Gangwalker” in the Midwest — they make sense only in the larger context of a Cloward-Piven framework.

These operations could not possibly succeed at interdicting straw purchasers, smugglers, and cartel bosses. No one actually involved in law enforcement could possibly believe that such idiotic operations could work. But these operations are logical when viewed through the context of their implementation as tactical applications designed to support a Cloward-Piven strategy…

Which is an interesting idea – with Democrats viewing illegal immigrants as “undocumented Democrats” the fact of lower numbers of illegals is dismaying.  No one knows for sure, of course, but it does appear that as our economy has deteriorated, millions of illegals have self-deported.  Even out here in Las Vegas, we can see it – enrollment in the public schools is down, and you don’t see nearly as many Latinos around as you used to.  How do you get them to come back if there are no jobs?  Perhaps you aggravate violence back home and scare them in to coming here?

I know, rather Machiavellian, isn’t it?  But what other explanation can you come up with?  Only others equally Machiavellian.  Unless one wishes to think that the people running the law enforcement departments are utter idiots (which is a possibility) you are forced to come up with a nefarious, secret reason for things like “Gunwalker”.

There is no logic behind it if the intent is law enforcement.  Remember what it amounted to – the United States government legally purchased firearms in the United States and then illegally transferred the weapons to criminal gangs.  My view has been it was an effort to re-start gun control:  send the guns down there, wait until hundreds of Mexicans are killed by them, then instruct the MSM to issue breathless, heart-rending reports about how American gun dealers are fueling violence south of the border (none of us were ever supposed to find out about “Gunwalker”…we only did because after a Border Patrol agent was murdered with one of the guns, some whistle blowers stepped forward).

If it isn’t rank stupidity, then it is a wicked plan to get something that should not be had – whether its gun control, more Democrat voters or an attempt to overload the welfare system in a Cloward-Piven strategy is unknown…what we need to do is unravel the scheme and see where the evidence leads.

13 thoughts on “The Ultimate Motive of “Gunwalker”?

  1. Cluster September 18, 2011 / 8:59 am

    The Gunwalker scandal is more than just a nefarious plan – it’s a crime, which resulted in the death of a courageous American and should be investigated. I want to see some heads roll on this one – primarily Holder’s head.

    • Amazona September 18, 2011 / 10:29 am

      It’s when we factor in the Liberal “outrage” at demanding state-issued photo IDs to vote that we can see the Liberal efforts to use illegals to gain votes.

      We have DMV offices required to ask people getting driver’s licenses if they want to register, even after just going over work visas to prove the legality of issuing them licenses, and we have Liberals insistent that people just be allowed to stroll in, register and vote without any ID at all, and we can see the plan laid out.

      What Libs don’t like is that LEGAL Latinos, those who have done the work, made the sacrifices, and followed the laws, do not appreciate the efforts to push millions of scofflaws ahead of them and just hand out voting rights, etc. At some point the legal immigrants and properly naturalized citizens are going to realize how badly they have been screwed by the Libs. I would love to see a massive nationwide lawsuit against the government to recoup all costs associated with legal entry and legally entering the citizenship path, if the same benefits are handed out to illegals.

    • neocon1 September 18, 2011 / 10:30 am

      and Ochimpys

      but hey they are donks ….move along nothing here.
      marx/alinsky 101

  2. Amazona September 18, 2011 / 10:32 am

    Don’t forget another Lib tactic, as seen here, posted by one of the Lib trolls—that even thinking about Cloward and Pivens and their stated strategy is silly, because one of them is dead and the other one is old.

    Yep, nothing to see here folks—just move on.

    • neocon1 September 18, 2011 / 10:46 am


      so is alinsky and marx, yet their ideology lives on as does cloward piven.

  3. Cory September 18, 2011 / 11:47 am

    “Unless one wishes to think that the people running the law enforcement departments are utter idiots”

    Ding ding ding ding ding!

    I know, I know, it’s a lot more fun to talk about vast liberal conspiracies and all that, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Do you the think the ATF is somehow a liberal organ (including specifically Project Gunrunner, which became a national initiative back in 2006), or are you suggesting that liberals have somehow gained such solid control over the leadership of the ATF as to secretly usurp power from its leadership and then keep it under wraps despite all the whistleblowing going on over there with regard to failed operations?

    • neocon1 September 18, 2011 / 11:56 am

      they work for al-hussien and holder.

      liberalism IS a mental disorder.

    • Cluster September 18, 2011 / 12:40 pm


      That may be the most naive post you have ever made. And that says a lot.

    • Mark Edward Noonan September 18, 2011 / 2:25 pm


      But there is much more to it, now…and it is a fact that bureaucracies won’t move boldly unless elected or appointed officials lead the way…someone in the Obama Administration (and someone very high up) ordered this done…for what reason we can’t say other than the obvious: it clearly wasn’t done to improve law enforcement.

      • cory September 18, 2011 / 3:40 pm

        “ut there is much more to it, now…and it is a fact that bureaucracies won’t move boldly unless elected or appointed officials lead the way…someone in the Obama Administration (and someone very high up) ordered this done…”

        So your entire premise is that handing guns with GPS attached to criminals was too bold to be just the ATF’s screw up? What about say, Branch Davidian? Which politician do you think orchestrated that debacle, and what nefarious goal did they have? And you do know that the director of the ATF is an “appointed official” right? What you are saying doesn’t even make sense.

        “for what reason we can’t say”

        Then why are you trying to say?

      • dbschmidt September 18, 2011 / 3:47 pm

        Only 2 of the weapons had GPS tracking & the order, IIRC, was given by ***** Deleted //Moderator Janet Reno (Yes, I knew her).

      • dbschmidt September 18, 2011 / 10:41 pm

        Sorry moderator. Won’t happen again but that particular person raises my hackles

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