So Much for “Frontrunners”: Cain Wins FL Straw Poll

From the Washington Times:

Former Godfather Pizza CEO Herman Cain won the Presidency 5 straw poll here Saturday, delivering a blow to Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s frontrunner status and a victory for a candidate who has struggled to transform his grassroots popularity into strong showings in national polls.

“Tonight’s winner is Herman Cain,” Florida Gov. Rick Scott announced. “It shows you something, the road to the White House come through Florida, and it pays to spend time here.”

He received 37 percent of the more than 2,600 votes cast…

Lots of people will say lots of things about this and some of them will be quite well-informed and illuminating.  I’ll say this:  victory in the GOP nomination will go to the guy (or gal) who gets the most votes…no one really knows how it will come out or who will win.  This may be a flash in the pan for Cain (though I think it reflects a reservoir of good will for him in the GOP electorate), but it clearly shows that for all the Perry/Romney/Bachmann talking headism of the MSM (and a lot of the New Media), the GOP electorate has not settled on a candidate.

Here’s a thought – why don’t we let this fine collection of men and women state their positions, hash things out in open debate, and then we voters go to the polls and decide who wins?  Once that has happened, we’ll have a nominee and everyone who isn’t an Obama zombie will then have the duty of enthusiastically supporting the nominee to ensure that Obama leaves office on January 20th, 2013.  That, at least, is how I think it should go.


28 thoughts on “So Much for “Frontrunners”: Cain Wins FL Straw Poll

  1. Cluster September 24, 2011 / 9:34 pm

    Good for Herman Cain and congratulations to fiscal conservatives. I think this clearly shows what will be the primary focus for conservatives this election year, and that is putting an end to the last eleven years of irresponsible spending.

    • Mark Edward Noonan September 24, 2011 / 9:38 pm


      We dream of a FY 2014 budget which actually spends less than FY 2013. It can happen…

  2. Amazona September 24, 2011 / 9:42 pm

    I hope this means Cain is building momentum. I like him a lot, and think we’ll be able to tell how much of a threat he is seen by the Left by how quickly and viciously they attack him. casper is already bleating about his apology to Muslims—perhaps a deep bow would have been more acceptable to casper.

  3. Green Mountain Boy September 24, 2011 / 10:03 pm

    Herman Cain won a GOP poll? A Black guy? There isn’t any way this could happen with all you racists in the GOP. 😛

    • dbschmidt September 24, 2011 / 10:41 pm


      Didn’t you mean TEA party filled with all of them fiscally conservative people which we all know is “code” for racist.

      • Green Mountain Boy September 24, 2011 / 10:46 pm

        It was a Republican straw poll. So I feel GOP is appropriate.

      • dbschmidt September 25, 2011 / 2:27 am

        My bad. When I pulled out my super secret double (“secret”) probation decoder ring and coded up ‘fiscal conservative’ it was a choice between GOP or the evil TEA party (which are now waiting aboard Cheney’s Death Star) because the response was racist and we all know (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) what that means.

        My apologies Sir. 😉

  4. casper September 24, 2011 / 10:20 pm

    I’m sure that people only voted for him because he is black. Same reason everybody voted for Obama. (sarcasm off)

    • Green Mountain Boy September 24, 2011 / 10:26 pm

      A little tidbit here for you Casper.

      The Florida Straw Poll touts its record of accurately signaling the GOP’s eventual nominee. In the three times it has been held, Ronald Reagan won in 1979, George H.W. Bush in 1987 and Bob Dole in 1995. Each was nominated for president the following year.

      Interesting no?

      • casper September 24, 2011 / 10:29 pm

        Just curious as to what happened in 1999 and 2007.

      • Green Mountain Boy September 24, 2011 / 10:32 pm

        You would have to ask them. I don’t know nor have I seen why mentioned in anything I have read. Ames doesn’t poll every four years either.

  5. js September 24, 2011 / 10:24 pm

    herman could steal the black vote right out from under the DNC and obieOne…

    its not so much about his race…but who trusts him

  6. casper September 24, 2011 / 10:50 pm

    BTW, I think it’s a good thing that Cain made his apology. He made a mistake and owned up to it. I respect him more because of it.

  7. dbschmidt September 24, 2011 / 11:16 pm

    I am pleasantly surprised and glad what the media describes as a second tier candidate won by such a large margin~maybe this will keep the media from trying to marginalize any candidates in the future. Just waiting now for Palin to announce and see the Cain/Palin or Palin/Cain ticket bring back some sense to this currently misguided country.

    • Green Mountain Boy September 24, 2011 / 11:22 pm

      Lets see if Cain can build on this. If he is able to, I see no problem with Sarah P. endorsing him. Aside from the apology issue, Mr. Cain has what it takes to start dismantling the progressive machine. I think he is someone Sarah P. could get behind.

  8. raging bull September 25, 2011 / 8:09 am

    yawn…cain is nothing more than a token black guy paid to be in the race by the koch brothers, so the GOP doesn’t look racist. (sarcasm off) actually, that’s not sarcasm, that’s from that elite liberal thinker…janeanne garofalo. but rest assured, she doesn’t have an original thought in her ugly head, so many on the left are thinking this.

    look for cain to build some momentum off of this, and libs to go into, uncle tom, sellout, house n**ger mode. cause any black person that doesn’t fall in lock step with the libs is absolutely one of these.

    all that being said, when i clicked on drudge this morning and saw that he won the poll, i got really excited. i’d love to see cain debate zerobama. a man with excellent business credentials versus a man who couldn’t run the bake sale to get the band new uniforms.

    cain/santorum would be a wonderful ticket in my book.

    • neocon1 September 25, 2011 / 9:43 am

      Could you IMAGINE if Cain chose Alan West from Fla as a running mate??
      they would steamroll anyone out there including the KKKlintoons( who by the way dont count out).

      I was soured against the “Hermanator” after the muzzy thing, but it appears he learned a valuable lesson from it and has moved on….so have I.

      • neocon1 September 25, 2011 / 9:54 am

        I think Bachmann really blew it by attacking Perry, then not backing off on the vaccination subject but kept ramming it home hoping to score a victory of some sort.
        She looked foolish and shrill IMHO and I really liked her, To me her strategy showed a lack of judgement, and bad handlers.

      • Amazona September 25, 2011 / 10:11 am

        I agree about Bachmann. If she had gone after Perry and his vaccination rule based on non-intervention by government, she might have had a point. But her shrill insistence that it was a pay-to-play corruption issue was a serious mistake—-and Sarah got herself into it, as well.

        I read, not too long ago, that Perry had explained that his concern was for the poor families who wanted this vaccine and could not afford it, as it costs about $350.00, and insurance companies would not pay for it. He said by making it mandatory, insurance companies had to pay for it, thereby allowing poor families access to it, but that he wrote in an easy opt-out clause so actually no one HAD to get it.

        I thought this made sense, and didn’t know why Perry didn’t talk about this in the debate—maybe not too excited about ticking off the insurance companies. But Bachmann’s attack on him was, I thought, petty and mean-spirited, and she lost a lot of my respect. She seems to have a hard time keeping her eye on the ball, and she definitely needs to fire her assistants. Singing happy birthday to a dead guy is creepy enough, even if you do manage to do it on his birthday and not the anniversary of his death.

        Her assistants remind me of the guys who dress Stevie Wonder—“Yeah, man, you look GREAT! The hair, the clothes, you’ll be the coolest dude out there!”

      • Amazona September 25, 2011 / 10:15 am

        BTW, neo, read Cain’s apology. “While I stand by my opposition to the interference of shariah law into the American legal system, I remain humble and contrite for any statements I have made that might have caused offense to Muslim Americans and their friends,” he said in the statement. “I am truly sorry for any comments that may have betrayed my commitment to the U.S. Constitution and the freedom of religion guaranteed by it.

        It’s not exactly caving in. That last statement cracked me up, and gave me even more respect for the guy. “I am truly sorry for any comments that may have betrayed my commitment to the U.S. Constitution and the freedom of religion guaranteed by it.”

        You tell ’em, Herman!

  9. Green Mountain Boy September 25, 2011 / 10:26 am

    About that opt out clause for Perrys gardasil issue, easy? Not according to these people. A little snippet here.

    To get the exemption form, parents must first submit a written form to State Health Department in Austin which forces the disclosure of the child’s full name, birthdate, and mailing address. The Health Department takes those written requests and creates yet another form on which they print the child’s same personal information that the parent had to send to health department, and the Health Department sometimes takes weeks to mail out these forms inevitably disrupting the child’s school attendance. The Health Department only sends the forms by U.S. mail, and once the parent receives the forms, they must be notarized within 90 days of submitting them and then repeatedly resubmitted every 2 years even though there is no expiration set in statute.

    The rest of the story

    I don’t fault Perry for forcing the vaccination on teenage girls. I fault him for being the kind of man that force them on teen age girls.

    • Amazona September 25, 2011 / 3:32 pm

      Well, I’ve heard interviews with parents who opted out and said it was no big deal.

      And I don’t fault Perry for trying to find a way to give freedom of choice to parents whose financial situation deprives them of that choice.

      Was it poorly thought out? Evidently so. Does it mean some kind of moral failure on the part of Perry? Only to those eager to find or invent one.

    • Amazona September 25, 2011 / 3:34 pm

      BTW, I don’t think Perry is the best candidate we have. I just think he can be evaluated on fact, without stretching to apply some claim of moral turpitude, which is what the phrase “..being the kind of man that force them on teen age girls…” sounds like.

      • Green Mountain Boy September 25, 2011 / 4:09 pm

        “Only to those eager to find or invent one.” Nice little pot shot there.
        “give freedom of choice” How is signing an eo forcing it a choice? The process of getting out of it is disputed as not being so easy to get out of it.

        You want someone who is going to decide what is best for childrens bodies by forcing it and then making them beg the government to get out of it go ahead.

        What else will Mr. Perry decide gets go into your childrens bodies without a choice on the parents part.

      • Amazona September 25, 2011 / 4:25 pm

        Yeah, to hell with the poorer parents who actually understand that their daughters might not CHOOSE to be sexually assaulted, or who may end up marrying men who have been sexually active. If they can’t afford a vaccine they really want, tough. Get another job.

        The actual FACT is that not one child was ever forced to get the vaccine. Every single child who got it got it because her parents either wanted her to have it or couldn’t be bothered to opt out.

        While you claim opting out was just too too complicated, others have said it was simple and easy.

        And even if it WAS too hard for lazy parents to deal with, a poor decision is hardly the same as a sinister decision. Rick Perry admitted that his decision had some Unintended Consequences and changed the executive order.

        Good luck finding that perfect candidate who has never ever made a mistake. I’ll be happy to find one who is man enough to admit he was wrong and tries to fix it, and then move on.

      • neocon1 September 25, 2011 / 5:40 pm

        My grandson HAD to have 6-7 shots, vaccinations, inoculations BEFORE he could set one foot inside of a kindergarten class.
        I do not see a big deal with what Perry proposed, the legislature wrote the law not the Governor.

        I think Cain cleared the air and once again has my attention.
        I think it would be pure karma if the Raaaaaacist TEA party led a Black man to the GOP nomination.
        I will be investing in duct tape if this happens as there will be millions of leftists heads exploding.

      • Amazona September 25, 2011 / 7:51 pm

        neo, I’d invest in some plywood, too—I have a feeling a lot of windows are going to be broken when sour Libs flip out at having The One We Have All Been Waiting For sent home to Chicago.

      • dbschmidt September 25, 2011 / 10:00 pm

        I would prefer the option to opt-in rather than opt-out for everything including items like vaccines; however, until we have a method of letting everyone know what is available, what it is, what it does, possible side-effects, etc. and as long as the opt-out process isn’t a jumping through hoops exercise in futility I would have to say it is better than nothing being done.

        What this country needs is to get the parents (actually all folks) engaged again rather than the slack-eyed response I encounter every day from people just churning through the motions for a buck or two. Growing up–politics, business, and the general state of our county, state and union were daily topics–and that was from my mother & grandmother. But then again we used to say the Pledge of Allegiance (with the under God part), community service including helping others less fortunate was a normal part of life and not mandated slave labor for high schoolers to graduate, and service in the military or some service larger than yourself was expected.

        My how the world has gone all Ayn Rand under the progressive controls. BTW, any liberal out there that just loves Socialism as the utopian answer–you do realize that Socialism is just a stepping stone and never an endpoint. What is your real vision? Communism, Marxism?

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