There Is No GOP Savior

Back in 2008, I saw many fellow conservative bloggers jump on the Fred Thompson bandwagon. It was a phenomenon I could never understand. It seemed like out of nowhere Fred Thompson was elevated to the position of GOP Savior. Many thought he was the only true Reagan-esque candidate that could enter the field. Hogwash, I thought. The day he formally entered the race I said his best days of the campaign were behind him.

I was right.

Here we are, four years later, and once again the GOP finds itself looking for a messiah. The current candidate-du-jour is Chris Christie, who was being talked up as a potential candidate practically seconds after his gubernatorial victory in New Jersey was confirmed.

Again, I say hogwash.

If Christie jumped in the race today, within a week 75% of Republican voters would write him off as a RINO. I’ve seen every candidate so far in the race attacked for not being conservative enough. That is just sad.

Republicans, I hate to say, are stuck on Reagan, constantly looking for someone who they believe emulates him perfectly. Reagan may be a conservative icon, but if we looked at his record as a whole, there are plenty of things there that wouldn’t fit in the conservative label.

Reagan’s legacy has strangely survived in perfect condition in a way that other Republican presidents’ haven’t. Perhaps it’s understandable. Before Reagan there was Carter. Need I say more? George H.W. Bush was fairly popular president until he broke his promise about not raising taxes. That more than anything defines his legacy.

Today, many Republicans have disowned President George W. Bush. “He wasn’t a real conservative,” they say, and so on. They say this despite the fact that he won reelection in 2004, which an incredible amount of positive support. Yet, many naysayers point to things done in his first term as examples of his lack of conservative bonafides: No Child Left Behind, The Patriot Act, even the Iraq War.

Another great example of conservative canonization that fizzled out is Senator Scott Brown. Anyone who actually knew his record as a state senator knew he was not a pure conservative, but the Tea Party organized for him, and helped mobilize a tremendous victory for him. Now, the Tea Party acts betrayed because of a few votes that didn’t meet their standards.

Seriously, let’s stop pretending the GOP has a savior.

Let’s look at Obama now. You don’t get more extreme than him when it comes to a left-winger. But, you cannot ignore the fact that the left is not entirely pleased with him because he hasn’t managed to completely redistribute the country’s wealth, or allow for the creation of drive-thru abortion clinics or whatever nonsense the left champions any given day.

In the end, politicians have records and realities to answer to. Voters often see the former without considering the latter. Even the most conservative of politicians has to work with the opposition to get things done. If we treat every compromise as a black mark on a candidate’s record than we might as well let Obama run the country for another four years.

It’s time for Republican voters to remember that we are all on the same team here. If we can’t put aside petty policy differences in favor of an overall ideological shift back to the right in 2012 then we deserve to lose.

64 thoughts on “There Is No GOP Savior

  1. Green Mountain Boy October 1, 2011 / 10:33 am

    “Even the most conservative of politicians has to work with the opposition to get things done. If we treat every compromise as a black mark on a candidate’s record than we might as well let Obama run the country for another four years.”

    The next time I see the repubs force the donkys to cross the lines and work with us to get things done, to get just one little bit of progressivism rolled back, I will rejoin the republican party. That will be the first time in a long time.

    When we have the leadership that won’t buckle under and actually defund something as trifling as NPR or PBS, you will see people like me flock back to te GOP. Until then GOP will have to keep wandering around looking forall that lost support and wonder about it.

    Until then, it will not matter who is in the Oval Office because progressivism will still be winning.

    • Matt Margolis October 1, 2011 / 11:40 am

      I think the problem here is perception. Republicans only see Republicans compromising, when in fact it is both sides who often do.

  2. RetiredSpook October 1, 2011 / 10:55 am

    I was one of those that was excited about Fred Thompson in 2007. As I look back, I’d have to say that Thompson was somewhat of an anomaly because of his long acting career, as the tough old DA on Law and Order as well as numerous movie parts. All that faded pretty quickly when he got on the stump and proved to be a mediocre communicator without a TV or movie script.

    Prior to 1980 I was what I’ve come to describe as an unexamined Republican. Reagan changed that, not so much because he was perfect (because, as you note, he wasn’t), but because he had the ability to create optimism during a time when malaise dominated the country. He made people feel good about the country and themselves. The policies put in place in the 80’s, at the very least, hastened the end of the Cold War and set the stage for 2 decades of almost uninterrupted economic growth. By the end of Reagan’s 2nd term, I was a hopelessly hooked political junkie.

    Christie talks tough, but, if you look at the people who are pushing him to run, he’s still just another establishment Republican, and the last thing the country needs right now is someone who will continue advance the Progressive agenda, even if it is at a slower pace.

    • dbschmidt October 1, 2011 / 2:57 pm

      I also liked Fred Thompson but thought he was killed off because his answers took longer than a sound-bite. The same can almost be said of Herman Cain today if it wasn’t for Florida. I am not looking for a Goldwater or a Reagan–anything is better than Obama (aka. Carter II) but I would like someone who hasn’t already corrupted themselves to the ways of Washington. Right now I am still hanging on to Cain, hope Palin jumps in, and would love to see anyone on the GOP side win and take some of the best ideas an implement them to the betterment of this country away from the progressive “utopia” towards our Constitutional foundation.

      This is just the beginning of another awakening that has happened before when Wilson pushed too hard, as did Roosevelt, Johnson and now Obama–I can only hope this causes a major correction in the direction of the country back towards Constitutionalism and not just a little adjustment. This is a critical time in our country as well as an important date in the progressive socialist history as I hijacked from;

      Today in History — October 1st

      1928 – The Soviet Union introduces its First Five-Year Plan. Millions died as Stalin and his central planners broke a few eggs to make the perfect omelet that was the Soviet Union.

      1949 – The People’s Republic of China is declared by Mao Zedong. When you see “People’s Republic” in a country’s name, you can be sure people are getting solidly screwed.

      1960 – Nigeria gains independence from the United Kingdom,. Freed from the control of the white interlopers, it goes on to become a beacon of fairness and freedom in Africa…

  3. Cory October 1, 2011 / 11:06 am

    “Let’s look at Obama now. You don’t get more extreme than him when it comes to a left-winger.”

    You are deluded. There are piles of congressmen in just this country that are more liberal than Obama without even going into European countries where the most conservative members of parliamentary bodies are sometimes barely more conservative than Obama.

    And really, drive-through abortion clinics? Do you really think you are adding to a reasoned debate when you say things like that? Why don’t you just go straight to calling people names and skip the clearly false pretense that you have any interest in critical thinking?

    • Matt Margolis October 1, 2011 / 11:42 am

      I’m not deluded. I pay attention.

      As for the drive thru abortion comment, I was using an extreme example to make a point.

      • cory October 1, 2011 / 11:55 am

        What point was that? That you could completely incorrectly represent the views of your political opponents so that you could demonize them based on beliefs that are not theirs? Again, do you think you are contributing to a reasoned debate when you say things like that?

      • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 2:04 pm


        trolls like corky love straw men.

  4. Green Mountain Boy October 1, 2011 / 1:18 pm

    Matt, please provide an example of a progressive program that has been defunded or even partially defunded, one example since Jan of 2001 where the donkys compromised to thier non benifit.

    • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 2:01 pm


      1. close the damn border
      2. FIX the ILLEGAL problem once and for all.
      3. BALANCE the budget.
      4. CUT spending.
      5. national sales tax ALL pay, ALL pay same rate.
      6. close 75% of all federal agencies let the states do it.
      8. END abortion let the states do as they wish.
      If they cant do all of these items they arent worth SHIITE!!

  5. mitchethekid October 1, 2011 / 1:59 pm

    I must say Matt, that in all the yrs I’ve been following this blog, that is the most reasonable and pragmatic statement of fact I have seen. Congratulations for embracing reality. As much of an icon that Reagan is, he would not be welcomed in (what passes for) today’s Republican party. Part of the problem is the extremism of the current crop of candidates. A religion masquerading as a political party, praying as a solution to human problems, the denial of science, the protection of the wealthy at the expense of everyone else and an absolute dirth of well thought out policies. Pandering to low information voters and capitalizing on their fears won’t win elections.Nor will not creating jobs for millions in an effort to make sure one guy looses his. If Jesus himself was to run he’d be accused of being a progressive lefty. Feed the hungry? Sounds like welfare. Take care of the sick? For free??? Socialism! Turn the other cheek? Captiulating to our enemies! Driving out the money changers? Anti-business.
    When people cheer for executions and yell “yes” about letting an uninsured person die, you know there are problems. Part of which, has been to drive out any sane, reasonable and centered Republican from the party. The analogy “ship of state” is appropriate here. Neither a ship nor an aircraft can be managed and navigated if the center of gravity is at one end of the other. They sink or crash and a refusal to accept this law of physics is just plain stupid. If people are so entrenched in an allegence to an ideology or a mythology about the past and they then refuse to comprimise or exhibit any flexablity at all, then they deserve to loose. And right now, unfortunately, the most qualified people have no interest in running because sometimes it becomes impossible to deal with the recalcitrant.
    Even Christie is “flawed”. He has no problem with same sex marriage, he supported the Ground Zero Mosque, he has many progressive ideas and is the govenor of a progressive state. Funny thing about progress. It keeps happening and it can’t be stopped.

    • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 2:02 pm


      what a crock of crap

    • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 2:06 pm


      sodomy, theft, murder, socialism (communism) are not progress, they are a SHIITE sandwich no matter how much dressing you apply.

  6. Cluster October 1, 2011 / 2:18 pm

    Mitch and Cory are good examples of today’s non thinking liberal. Instead of discussing problems and solution, they prefer instead to label their opponents as “extreme: (think: Chuck Shumer), and incite fear amongst the unexamined electorate in a hope to win another election. Those who control the language usually control the debate and liberals have gone out of their way to put emotion behind their rhetoric, hoping to fire up their base and others dumb enough to buy into it.

    Social security is a great example – liberals will have you believe that conservatives want to end the program when in fact Ryan’s plan actually strengthens it, and in fact Obama has proposed pay roll tax cuts that will help defund it – but you’ll never hear that FACT from a liberal.

    • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 2:41 pm

      Bill Clinton wants more credit

      Oooooh boy here we go,
      the return of the lying, cheating, purjuring, disbarred, impeached, fined, sociopath, rapist, coward, protestor-drug head.

    • Bodie October 1, 2011 / 8:21 pm

      “Instead of discussing problems and solution, they prefer instead to label their opponents as ‘extreme'”

      “Let’s look at Obama now. You don’t get more extreme than him when it comes to a left-winger.”

      Are you calling Matt a left-winger, cluster?

      Also, funny how you neglected to address any of the actual points mitch raised. No, wait, not funny…predictable.

    • Cory October 2, 2011 / 9:57 am

      I think Bodie pretty much got it for me. You should at least take the time to make sure the blog poster isn’t doing EXACTLY what you are accusing me of before posting. And that somewhere along the line, I actually have done it.

      I mean, it’s like you guys have canned responses for liberals who would have the audacity to post to your little conservative blog, and when somebody comes in and doesn’t fit your preordained narrative of what a liberal is, you go ahead and argue against points they didn’t make or accuse them of using rhetorical tactics that they have not used, because you don’t know how to go off script.

  7. mitchethekid October 1, 2011 / 3:19 pm

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens when Ali’s company assumes ownership. Yes he is a conservative and a proud teapartier, but he also has a black cultural experience and a middle eastern name. Perhaps he agrees with Matt in his over all tone and with what he was trying to say in the above post. Hopefully the reactionary, racist, and bigoted comments of Neo will no longer be tolerated. That would be a welcome and long over due change. It’s “conservatives” like Neo who give the entire movement a bad name. No wonder the teapartiers have a lower approval rating than muslims.

    • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 3:43 pm

      Ahhh the first TROLL calling for censorship.

      Hopefully the reactionary, racist, and bigoted comments of Neo will no longer be tolerated.

      Nor the LIES of deviant TROLLS such as your self.

      • Dvindice October 1, 2011 / 11:50 pm

        I don’t know what progressive liberal nerve you struck Neo but keep up the good work and hammer away.

    • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 3:46 pm


      “No wonder the teapartiers have a lower approval rating than muslims.”

      with who?
      the marxist, muslim, sodomite loving left like your self?
      BFD you are the enemy of the constitution, the US and me.

      • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 3:48 pm


    • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 4:19 pm


      “As long as I am an American citizen and American blood runs in these veins I shall hold myself at liberty to speak, to write, and to publish whatever I please on any subject.” – Elijah Parish Lovejoy (1802-1837)

      hear hear

    • Green Mountain Boy October 1, 2011 / 4:47 pm

      Coming from a proven liar, your words carry no weight at all there bomber mitch

      • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 4:59 pm


        seared in his mind…….just like JFnK

      • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 5:02 pm


  8. DC October 1, 2011 / 3:53 pm

    I didn’t know who Ali was so I did some investigating and found that he is conservative, motivated to work (busines man) and he loves Jesus. That’s enough for me and I welcome him!

    • neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 4:04 pm


      Me to

  9. neocon1 October 1, 2011 / 5:25 pm


    YOU LIE,

    It would be very refreshing if this website evolved into something much more progressive

    abortion = murder
    marxism = murder
    islam = murder
    redistribution of wealth = theft
    sodomy = pathology, disease
    SIN = all the above

  10. Cluster October 1, 2011 / 7:24 pm

    Until the Republicans find a candidate that can appeal to the vast majority of voters and make a sincere effort to find commonality,the only support they will find is from the angry, scared and uninformed fringe. – mitch

    Is that why most of them are tied, or beating Obama in the polls? Why do you suppose Obama is getting less than 50% in the polls. Is that because he appeals to the majority? LOL

    • mitchethekid October 1, 2011 / 8:10 pm

      Laugh all you want. You were convinced that McCain would win also. I might remind you that irrespective of polls, Obama has done more in furtherance of killing terrorists than his predecessor. Under his watch Bin Laden met his fate as did al Alwlaki yesterday. He also called the shots during the pirate hijacking a few yrs ago. He has been the president when scores of mid and high level operatives have met their demise as well.So much for “paling around with terrorists”.
      I know the next election will be about the economy but I also think that the revelation that the Republicans are weak on national security, as a result of their getting entangled in their ideology, will not be a positive to pragmatic voters.
      If the election were to be held today, Obama would win. Perhaps by a narrow margin, but win just the same. Wm. Buckley, a man whom I admire said it best. Choose the best conservative who can win an election. Not the best in terms of purity. Raw sugar is good. Pure sugar rots one’s teeth.

    • Cluster October 2, 2011 / 9:55 am

      I will give Obama credit for allowing the military to continue the fight, but that brings up another very interesting question for liberals. How can you mitch support a President that leaves Gitmo open? Isn’t he encouraging more terrorism by doing that? How about the fact that he strengthened the Patriot Act? Or killed an American citizen overseas without as much as a warrant? It seems to me that these actions are in conflict with liberal values. Please explain.

  11. mitchethekid October 1, 2011 / 7:52 pm

    Again, what have I personally lied about? If you don’t know the definition of the word, find a dictionary.
    The word Progressive means to move forward. The conjugative form also applies to favoring political and social reform. Something it seems that conservatives who want to “take the country back” are in favor of. Reform. Re form. To do over. To make again.
    Abortion is legal and until it isn’t, it is a personal choice. Roe v Wade is rooted in the right to privacy. From a moral standpoint the argument is made that it is “murder”. (Again clarify the definition of murder.) So to extend the perspective that it is murderous,then so is capitol punishment,casualties from wars and to some degree animal slaughter houses. (Although I am a carnivore.)
    Marx was a political and economics philosopher who; in simplistic terms, advocated class struggle. His ideas were bastardized by Lenin whom you conveniently omit who was, yes a mass murderer. However it is doubious that he was into same sex copulation as a result of his imperialism.
    Islam is the largest religion in the word and yes, there are some who are radicalized who do commit murder; often on a mass scale, but lets not leave out the radicalized “Christians” who murder abortion Drs and plan the murder of law enforcement officials, most recently in Minnesota and Alaska.
    Redistribution of wealth. A euphemism for taxes.
    Sodomy is abhorent behavior. I agree but time and time again you conflate this with social and political viewpoints. I am confident that lesbian couples are incapable of this behavior and I will venture to say that this act; or lack thereof, applies to some same sex male couples as well.
    Sin? Take it up with a religious leader. Since civilization began, this concept has been the subject of inquiry and argument and I doubt that you are an authority. You certainly are not someone whom I would take seriously as a knowledgeable person, given your crude and unsophisticated stances on these issues.

  12. Green Mountain Boy October 1, 2011 / 8:12 pm

    “Consider euthanasia” ? You mean commit suicide? This sums up what the libbies like bomber mitch here have in store for any who opposes thier agenda.


    Get used to it. They are getting ready to try.

    • mitchethekid October 1, 2011 / 10:17 pm

      I have no agenda and my sarcastic suggestion has nothing to do with my political and social perspectives. Sadly Neo is allowed to post here and I merely point out that if he is representative of the intellectual capacity of today’s conservative, then the movement would be better off as a viable alternative without people who possess ideas that he expresses. He is not a conservative by any definition. He is at best an uniformed racist who cannot articulate a single cogent response to defend why he holds the ideas he does. All one has to do is to examine what he says. You too, seem to be challenged by the meaning of words. I am a “proven” liar? What have I lied about and just whom “proved” that my statements are false? Perhaps you should venture forth, out of the mountains and end your isolation. There is no nobility in ignorance.Having a difference of opinion, contrasting backgrounds and points of view is healthy. Being a defensive, low information reactionary is self limiting. You have no concept of what liberalism in social constructs and political dynamics has afforded you. And yet, like a trained reflexive automaton, you claim that if someone holds more liberal views, they are ipso facto an economic marxist who likes it in the rear and encourages teenage girls to get an abortion.

      • Green Mountain Boy October 1, 2011 / 10:52 pm

        And you are assuming, just like 99.9% of liberal/socialist/marxist/lenninist/communist/progressives, that you are smarter than eveyone you come into contact with.

        What have you lied about? How about being in Vietnam in 1973 and calling in artillery fire on your own troops.

        You have zero credibility. And yes I do know what “You have no concept of what liberalism in social constructs and political dynamics has afforded you” this has afforded me in modern terms nothing.

        I could give you a list what modern liberalism has given us but it isnt worth my time anymore. Let come what will come.

        So do this mitch provide the tail number of that OS-2 you were flying. Can you do that?

  13. DC October 1, 2011 / 9:09 pm


  14. dennis October 1, 2011 / 9:19 pm

    “Let’s look at Obama now. You don’t get more extreme than him when it comes to a left-winger.”

    Matt, are you being dramatic, disingenuous or just dumb? There aren’t many Democrats who aren’t to the left of Obama now. A few are really far to the left, like Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who even describes himself as a socialist. Bernie, God bless him, is also a faithful champion of the middle class and underprivileged, which together constitute the majority of Americans today.

    There’s Dennis Kucinich, Keith Ellison, Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Sherrod Brown, Henry Waxman, Elizabeth Warren, former rep Cynthia McKinney, the late Paul Wellstone, Ted Kennedy and the list goes on. All significantly to the left of Obama. And there are current and former governors like Jerry Brown, Jennifer Granholm, Bill Richardson, Howard Dean, Kathleen Sebelius, etc. To say you don’t get more extreme left than Obama is ludicrous on the face of it.

    In fact Obama’s centrism is a problem for many Democrats who wanted him to be more aggressive in winding down the Iraq war, stopping torture and extrajudicial killing in the war on terror, closing Guantanamo and bringing Bush’s tax cuts to their planned end. Those would have been considered politically moderate goals in another era – having nothing to do with “complete wealth redistribution, abortion or whatever nonsense” the right accuses Democrats of on any given day.

    But since influential Republicans have made a mockery of the interests of their country and instead taken up a campaign to bring down the president, Obama has labored under a double handicap – in addition to the normal duties of the presidency. The sheer numbers against him now have forced him to compromise more often and be less visionary than his base expected him to be. Funny thing, he never was that far left except in the extreme right’s imagination, and now he hardly can be called a liberal. Forget about his name and unconventional upbringing – he’s the most conservative Democrat to occupy the White House since Truman. It’s just that his opponents are the most radically right bunch any Dem president has had to contend with, and you’re trying to define him by the lights of your own extremism.

    Matt’s right on one thing – there’s no GOP savior. Compounding Republicans’ problems is that they’re the ones with the actual loonies on their ticket and taking over their party. Their moderates are likely to be eliminated in the early primaries. When even Reagan would be regarded a RINO by the GOP base now it’s no wonder Mark is bailing from political blogging. Threads are often dominated by extreme claptrap, name-calling and vitriol instead of reasonable discussion. If it weren’t for people like Bardolf, Count and a few others here B4V would be a complete toxic wasteland. Lotsa luck to the new guy.

  15. Green Mountain Boy October 1, 2011 / 9:51 pm

    “he’s the most conservative Democrat to occupy the White House since Truman.” Yes truth has never been stated more clearly. He was so condervative that he spent 4.5 trillion dollars more over two and half years than his government took in. Yeah for bams and his conservatism!!

  16. dennis October 2, 2011 / 1:44 am

    Green, there are loonies everywhere and on both sides of the spectrum. One nut job surely doesn’t make a whole movement that way. But when loonies rise to the top of a movement and become its standard-bearers and top choices for leadership, that’s when you know you’ve got a problem.

    As for Obama spending more than the govt took in, there are any number of responses to that. It sure as heck didn’t start with him, nor has he outspent his predecessor. Let’s review how the Reagan years fixed the idea that deficit spending was a good thing (see and the Bush years elevated it to doctrine. How did George W pay for the Iraq war – a $3 trillion boondoggle waged on false assertions? The answer – he didn’t. He he put it on credit, didn’t even have the balls to include it in the federal budget but got it covered by emergency appropriations. Smooth move, huh?

    I don’t see Obama doing anything like that. Most of his spending has been on the stimulus and two wars initiated by the Bush admin. Study this for comprehension: You omit mentioning that Obama and most Americans would like to see the govt taking in more revenue because it’s the responsible thing to do. We could start by ending the Bush tax cuts that had sunset provisions when they were passed, but the loonies on the right just won’t have it.

    Oh, and incidentally Roseanne didn’t say “behead them all.” Just the ones who aren’t willing to eke by on a wage of $100 million. (Presumably that would let you off the hook.) You also know, of course, that Jesus said it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. So maybe that’s just Roseanne’s crude comedic way of saying being filthy stinkin’ rich isn’t the best way to attain eternal happiness.

  17. mitchethekid October 2, 2011 / 3:33 am

    Your request for the N number would make an excellent case study in the psychology of interaction on blogs. You start from the premise that I make things up. Therefore in your mind, everything I say is untruthful and yet you ask for verification. As if you are an authority on the details of Vietnam era military aircraft. You truly are a person of low character, no class and poor breeding. I shared a very personal and intimate detail of my life with a stranger as part of elaborating on a question she had; and others were witness too this as well and now, in your feeble attempt to establish some sort of imagined superiority over me, you question my honesty and my integrity. All because my social and political stances conflict with yours. You are a very small person to have these thoughts but it is to be expected. Seeing how narrow minded and cynical you are. I’ll tell you this. The number began with a 2 and ended in a 9. And as my old friend Tuan Nguyen used to say, di du minh va me cua ban.

    • Green Mountain Boy October 2, 2011 / 8:09 am

      Want to know how long it takes to come with some Vietnamese on the net, about 2 seconds. You were never there.

      History is clear on this prticular matter. Do what the progressive want or be killed. There’s only about 100 million examples.

      • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 12:59 pm


        Bmitch is a true libtard.
        pretends to be something he never was, then turns to snarling name calling, ageism, filled with anti Christian rhetoric and wishes the death of someone who calls him out on his lies.
        They can pretend to be civil but their seething hatred and evil black souls come oozing out a little at a time to reveal who and what they really are.

    • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 11:32 am

      Bmichh fake fraud extraordinaire.

      All because my social and political stances conflict with yours. You are a very small person to have these thoughts but it is to be expected. Seeing how narrow minded and cynical you are.

      NO Bmitch, YOU cant BS combat VETS like GMB and my self,
      We caught you in a MAJOR LIE a total fabrication and called you on it.
      You are a LYING FAKE POS like your daddy JFnK.
      typical of the left, dont like it here fake? stay at the huff po or some other looney left site where they will believe your BS.
      REAL men dont and we called you out on it.

    • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 11:39 am

      me cua ban.

      he was CUBAN?

    • Green Mountain Boy October 2, 2011 / 5:48 pm

      When did the military ever use an N to start off tail numbers? A tail number is not a registration number. Keep trying.

      You reveal yourself more every passing time.

  18. Green Mountain Boy October 2, 2011 / 8:17 am

    Dennis, where does it end? It doesnt. This is just the start. Today 100 million, tommorrow 50 million, and sooner or later its the farmer with a little bit more food than everyone else.

    Nice try thought, as I stated above, history is clear on this matter and its not on your side.

    • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 11:27 am


      camon Bmitch was there calling in artillary AFTER the American forces left………IE he is a PROVEN LIAR, FAKE VET, POS.

      dingdond dennis?
      a wolf in sheeps clothing, IE a liar also spreading lies under the guise of being a believer.

    • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 11:36 am


      as I stated above, history is clear on this matter and its not on your side.

      but but but

      By R.J. Rummel

  19. tiredoflibbs October 2, 2011 / 9:56 am

    “You omit mentioning that Obama and most Americans would like to see the govt taking in more revenue because it’s the responsible thing to do.”

    Denny, denny, denny, regurgitating talking points again I see.

    You omit that spending over $4 trillion is an irresponsible thing to do as obAMATEUR criticized Bush. You also forget the FACT that obAMATEUR spent over $4 trillion is LESS THAN HALF THE TIME Bush did.

    That fact alone debunks your mindless talking point “nor has he outspent his predecessor.”

    Where do you hear such lies and drivel? It is a fact that obAMATEUR has been caught in many lies and those have been pointed out at I notice you did not comment on those threads.

    If you are going to be a hack at least try to show a little honesty.

    • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 11:41 am


      If you are going to be a hack at least try to show a little honesty.

      he IS and he WONT

      • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 12:06 pm

        Bwaaaaaa ha ha ha

        The “OFC” sign — which we can only assume stands for “Obama Fried Chicken” — looks suspiciously like the KFC logo and depicts the president dressed as Colonel Sanders, complete with suspenders and bow tie. According to Shanghaiist, the Chinese slogan in the lower-right corner means, “We’re so cool, aren’t we?”

  20. dennis October 2, 2011 / 12:22 pm

    Green, for the record I’m against beheading. Anybody, for any reason, all the time. Even billionaires. However I do believe Jesus was right about rich people and the kingdom of heaven. In fact I believe he was right on everything, all the time.

    Tired, I posted the link that was the source of my information; the chart is based on data from the Congressional Budget Office. As the article says, “its significance is not partisan (who’s ‘to blame’ for the deficit) but intellectual. It demonstrates the incoherence of being very concerned about a structural federal deficit, but ruling out of consideration the policy [my emphasis] that was largest single contributor to that deficit, namely the Bush-era tax cuts.

    “An additional significance of the chart: it identifies policy changes, the things over which Congress and Administration have some control, as opposed to largely external shocks – like repercussions of the 9/11 attacks or the deep worldwide recession following the 2008 financial crisis…” See

    • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 12:31 pm


      are you against abortion and sodomy dennistooge?

      • dennis October 2, 2011 / 12:50 pm

        Yes I am against abortion, always have been.

        And sodomy too – although my definition may be different from yours. It’s not mainly about sex. “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me” Ezekiel 16:49, 50.

      • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 1:04 pm


        then how can you be a liberal/donk whose foundation is that of murder, sodomy, theft, hatred of Israel and commonality with the cult of islam?

        wolf in sheeps clothing comes to mind.

      • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 1:06 pm


        miss these ??

        Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 12 helpful votes

        If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

        Leviticus 18:22 ESV / 12 helpful votes

        You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

        1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV / 7 helpful votes

        Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

        Romans 1:26 ESV / 7 helpful votes

        For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;

        Jude 1:7 ESV / 6 helpful votes

        Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

        Romans 1:27 ESV / 6 helpful votes

        And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

        Romans 1:1-32 ESV / 6 helpful votes

        Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, …

        Genesis 19:1-38 ESV / 6 helpful votes

        The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth and said, “My lords, please turn aside to your servant’s house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way.” They said, “No; we will spend the night in the town square.” But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.” …

        Romans 1:26-27 ESV / 5 helpful votes

        For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

        1 Timothy 1:10 ESV / 4 helpful votes

        The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

    • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 12:34 pm


      single contributor to that deficit, namely the Bush-era tax cuts.

      it’s the SPENDING stupid.

      good grief CHECKBOOK 101
      out of money? how can that be?
      I still have checks left.

      • neocon1 October 2, 2011 / 12:49 pm


        THIS couldnt have any bearing on the deficit could it?

        Nearly half of American tax filers will pay no federal income taxes this year, according to data released by the Tax Policy Center.

        Some 76 million tax filers, or 46.4 percent of the total, will be exempt from federal income tax in 2011

        just the eeeeeeevil Boooooshhhhhhhhh and greedy GOP’ers

    • dbschmidt October 2, 2011 / 3:18 pm


      The one point most, if not all, liberals and progressives fail to realize is that “…but ruling out of consideration the policy [my emphasis] that was largest single contributor to that deficit, namely the Bush-era tax cuts. the money is not the governments to start with so extending the Bush era tax cuts have no effect on the deficit on way or the other.

      It is only those that believe that all of the money we earn is really the governments and we, the little people, should be pleased when the statist gods on high allow us to keep a little more of it.

      Re-think your position if you have put any thought into at this point. Everything in this country is designed to flow from the people to the government. The government gets it’s rights from those we allow it and we can and will rescind a great deal of those shortly. All of it’s money is ours as government has no money of its own.

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