Game. Over.

So let me get this straight.. Translators of the CHRISTIAN Bible are now leaving out the terms “Father” and “Son of God” from new translations of the BIBLE because– now get this… it is offensive to– MUSLIMS.

A controversy is brewing over three reputable Christian organizations, which are based in North America, whose efforts have ousted the words “Father” and “Son” from new Bibles. Wycliffe Bible Translators, Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) and Frontiers are under fire for “producing Bibles that r…

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112 thoughts on “Game. Over.

  1. bardolf February 2, 2012 / 11:20 pm

    Romans 1:1. Paul a SLAVE of Jesus Christ ….

    You won’t find that in a translation, which is why interlinear translations are needed. The slave offends American sensibilities.

    My point is there are lots of good and poor translations. The NIV or King James e.g.

    I wouldn’t consider Thomas Jefferson’s bible which eliminates all miracles. It was not game over when it was published.

    • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 9:04 am


      The slave offends American sensibilities.

      we are all slaves to something.
      slaves have existed in EVERY culture from the beginning of recorded history and still exist today in the dark cult of islam.

      • bardolf February 3, 2012 / 12:09 pm

        Something about 600,000+ casualties to end slavery makes it a sensitive subject. Of course you are correct and that is why Paul used the term, nevertheless you won’t find it in translations.

      • neocon1 February 4, 2012 / 8:33 am


        it may have been a “sensitive” issue 150 years ago, today it is ancient history.
        I would bet 90% of todays 12 graders could NOT tell us 5 things about that war.

      • Amazona February 5, 2012 / 12:17 pm

        And according to the prof, the Civil War was just to end slavery. Forget that States’ Rights, Preserve the Union nonsense.

        And evidently, “sensibility” trumps everything, including history, accuracy and common sense.

        I suggest that most Americans are far less fluttery and hypersensitive than the translators who fold when they feel they are “under fire” for accurately translating.

      • bardolf February 5, 2012 / 12:29 pm


        The civil war was mostly about ending slavery. Brothers do not fight brothers for fear that 2 different flags might be flying over a land their forefathers settled less than a century before.

      • bardolf February 5, 2012 / 12:52 pm


        Your post answered a question I never understood. How could members of the GOP, the party of Lincoln stress that the civil war wasn’t only about slavery? The same party which claims the mantel of pro-life.

        If abortion is as ugly as espoused what are cowards to do when asked about it’s importance in elections. One has to maintain all the way back that the bravery of the fighters from the North the civil war was also for maintaining the union.

    • Amazona February 5, 2012 / 1:14 am

      And you know what? If you change the words in a book, it will mean something different.

      • bardolf February 5, 2012 / 12:33 pm

        It does. The translation of servant instead of slave (which has an ugly connotation in US history) gives the impression you can show up for the Lord when it suits you.

        Are you an every Sunday gal or a I haven’t been in a while kind of gal?

      • Cluster February 5, 2012 / 4:02 pm

        In my opinion, going to Sunday service has nothing to do with Faith. Some of the most hypocritical people I know are regulars on Sunday. Taking time during your day, and every day, to thank God for what you have and asking Jesus to be a part of your life is more rewarding than any sermon delivered on Sunday can bring.

      • bardolf February 5, 2012 / 4:38 pm

        “asking Jesus to be a part of your life is more rewarding than any sermon delivered on Sunday can bring” – Cluster

        Exhibit number 1 for what is wrong with America. A vague bow to a vague Jesus (theoretical, feel good self-esteem enhancement) is better than hearing ACTUAL NEWS (Gospel means NEWS, not new age pandering about a sense of appreciation). The bride of Christ (the church) is passé, replaceable by an appropriately tweaked self-help version in your local bookstore.

        It also saves time(=money) and saves you from the embarrassment that Christ died for your sorry hypocritical soul just like that loser in the next pew. You can say thank you Jesus for dying for me (whatever that means) and say you are still better than others all in the same breath. A humble boast in oneself.

        Let’s not even talk about Lent or temperance in today’s good ole USA where consumption is key.

  2. Jeremiah February 3, 2012 / 5:36 am

    The Bible says, “Thou shall not tempt the Lord they God.”

    The Bible also says, “God will not be mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

    So, these people who are taking the Son of God out of the Book of books are adding to themselves a very pain-filled eternity.

    Ya see, all this persecution, and loss of religious liberty for Christians is leading up to, is the fulfillment of prophecy … Jesus said, “When ye see these things happening, hold up high, for your redemption draws nigh.” And we’re living in that age right now where that could be anytime now … but I believe it’s gonna get a whole lot worse before that happens … we’re going to see things here in America like people seen during the rule of Hitler, and such like-minded, dictatorial people.

    • Jeremiah February 3, 2012 / 5:38 am

      Correction: “hold your head up high, for your redemption draws nigh.”

      • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 8:36 am


        New International Version (©1984)

        They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

      • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 8:37 am

        Romans 1:25…..for above ^

      • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 8:54 am

        New International Version (©1984)

        2 Timothy 4:3

        For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

        2 Timothy 3:2

        People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,

        (2 Tim. 3:1–5, NASB)

        “But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
        For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents,

        ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power…” .

      • Jeremiah February 3, 2012 / 9:00 am


        Yes, it explains it in pretty stark terms in verse 20 of that same chapter in Romans – which says – “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

        The key words here being–“So that people are without excuse.”
        Man is without excuse as to who to believe, and put their faith in.

        The complaint is often that we fundamentalist Christians are too “dogmatic” in our approach to our religion. Well, let me be the first to say, that that is the only way to be, we must be dogmatic in our approach to the way we take our religion, because fooling with God is serious business. If He were to take His finger off of our lives for one second we would be on the flat of our backs and no one else to turn to, except and only to Him who has brought us thus far.

        So, it is time that this politically correctness that is being used to silence, belittle, and shackle those who are born-again, it is time that it was thrown in the garbage where it belongs.

        Rest assured that there will be a wake-up call come when America has to pay for her disobedience!

      • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 9:11 am

        Reason for Persecution: the Cross separates us from the world

        John 15:18-21

        “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you… If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you… because they do not know Him who sent Me.”

        John 16:1-4

        “These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. They will put you out of the synagogues [today it might be from churches]; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.”

        John 17:14-18

        “I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.”

        Galatians 5:11

        “And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.”

  3. Cluster February 3, 2012 / 8:36 am

    Food for thought:

    According to, federal spending to alleviate poverty has soared in the last 50 years, from $445 per person in 1960 to $7,741 per person in 2010 through a dozen federal programs. “Yet despite the increase in spending,” the site points out, “the poverty level has remained fairly constant at between 12-15 percent of the population. While we have spent more and more money we have not lessened the number of people in poverty. Why? The reason is because our system is poorly designed. It doesn’t have “conditions” attached to it, it “doesn’t make work pay” and it lessens responsibility of participants.”

    I wonder if dishonest liberals like oh say ….. the entire MSNBC organization, would ever take a moment of pause in their incessant pandering and demonizing to reflect on this study and just for a moment rethink their failed policies. Liberals, and Obama’s desire to turn the federal government into a daycare just isn’t working folks. Let’s try a new approach.

    • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 8:44 am


      think of a ladder and the “poor” on on the bottom rung. We confiscate others wealth and give it to them, they now have more money but this causes inflation, prices rise so in spending power they are no better off than before. STILL on the bottom rung of the ladder.
      repeat this ad nausium expecting a different result, yet ending up at the same place at the end of the day on the bottom rung.

      socialism at work for us at the barrel of a gun.

    • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 9:18 am

      I wonder if dishonest liberals like oh say ….. the entire MSNBC organization, would ever take a moment of pause in their incessant pandering and demonizing to reflect on this study and just for a moment rethink their failed policies. Liberals, and Obama’s desire to turn the federal government into a daycare just isn’t working folks. Let’s try a new approach.

      Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago…

    • James February 3, 2012 / 9:29 am

      nice source there cluster….some random guy with a grudge makes a web page and posts misleading data.

      if you take into account that little thing called inflation from 1950 to today…you’d have a different view of things.

      but obviously, honesty and reason aren’t a strong point for conservatives. they like to pray things away.

      try again, next time, better luck.

      • Cluster February 3, 2012 / 10:40 am

        James, maybe you can share with us which data is misleading? Some more food for thought (not that thinking is your strong suit) – did you know that since 1968, we have spent $16 trillion on the “war on poverty” and it’s estimated that in the next ten years, we will spend another $10 trillion. That’s one trillion a year, and as Spook just posted, we are losing ground.

        Now as a businessman, would you look at that data and determine that we are on the right track?

      • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 12:54 pm


        “they like to pray things away”.

        IF that were true you, Ochimpy, hitlery, bwany, JFnK, hell the whole commie donkrat party would have been vaporized years ago.

      • Amazona February 5, 2012 / 12:28 pm

        Nice post there James. Some random guy with a grudge bleats the lie that “conservatives” just like “to pray things away”.

        Obviously, honesty and reason aren’t strong points for rabidly radical Lefties, so this is what we can expect from this particular random guy with a grudge.

        BTW, James, you might keep that foot out of your mouth a little better if you would just take the time to learn what a 21st Century American conservative really IS. Then you might not make the stupid mistake of trying to conflate a political philosophy based on belief in a specific, Constitutional, model for governance with a religious belief.

        The two are compatible but hardly the same. Many with the same religious belief are also Lefties, albeit usually because of emotion and not because of any actual understanding of the ideology. And many who hold the conservative political point of view are not particularly religious.

        You guys seem pretty shameless about strutting your political ignorance here, on a political blog. Why is that? Do you just find political fact too intrusive on your real agenda of just sniping at people because of your strange and distorted perception of their political identity? Does the anonymity of the Internet make you feel shielded from the scorn you would experience if you were to make such utterly stupid comments in a face to face conversation? Are you just a blog vandal here to dump mental excrement to create a speed bump, uncaring about the veracity of anything you say as long as it is hostile and hopefully distracting?

    • RetiredSpook February 3, 2012 / 10:08 am

      the poverty level has remained fairly constant at between 12-15 percent of the population.

      Well, until ObiOne got into office. The poor’s percentage of the population went up from 14.3 to 15.1 in Obama’s first year alone and is now at a record high. Hope and Change and spreading the wealth around — ya gotta love it.

      • steelhead February 4, 2012 / 1:48 am

        i know you are better than that. Seriously you don’t believe that what happened in Obama’s first year had a lot to do with what he was doing. He took over a plane in a full dive. Momentum my friend. Even you don’t believe what you are saying. And please, by what mechanism has Obama spread any wealth around. Taxes have remained at historical lows. Sure, there are a number of policies he would like to institute but it has not happened.

      • Jack in Chicago February 5, 2012 / 3:03 am

        Sorry, Spook. Twelve months of growth doesn’t lie. Obama steered us out of a recession and into a recovery. A slow recovery, yes. But it would have been a lot quicker if not for a-wipes like Boehner doing everything he could to stop Obama’s agenda.

        For further proof, Google the words “bikini graph” to see why exactly Romney will lose in November. Obama fixed what George broke.

        End of story.

      • tiredoflibbs February 5, 2012 / 7:18 am

        Sorry Jackie, but obAMATEUR’s own economists have said the economy is where it would be if he had done nothing! His policies and gimmicks failed!

        And the CBO has confirmed it – plus they say his policies has made the “recovery” far slower and will continue to put a drag on the economy. You however regurgitate spin and dumbed down talking points – a true obamabot drone.

      • RetiredSpook February 5, 2012 / 9:10 am

        i know you are better than that.

        And, as an infrequent commenter on this blog, you know this, how?

        Seriously you don’t believe that what happened in Obama’s first year had a lot to do with what he was doing.

        If that’s true then one would have expected poverty rates to at least level off, not proceed to new records by the end of Obama’s third year. I’m reminded of Obama’s public statement in 2009 that the Recovery Act would help bring 2 million Americans out of poverty. Instead, census data suggests more than 6 million Americans joined the ranks of the poor since 2009. I’m sorry if you can’t admit that his policies haven’t made things better. If it weren’t for the change in the way unemployment is calculated, he’d be looking at close to 11% unemployment, and no president since FDR has been re-elected with unemployment over 7.2%.

        Momentum my friend.

        First of all, I’m not your friend. Second, only in RRL Land would 36 straight months of 8%+ unemployment be considered momentum. He’s never even gotten back to where it was when he was inaugurated – in spite of spending $4 trillion that we didn’t have.

        Even you don’t believe what you are saying.

        Of course I do. I wouldn’t have said it if I didn’t believe it. I do find your capacity to know what I’m thinking more than a little intriguing, though.

        And please, by what mechanism has Obama spread any wealth around.

        OK, that one was kind of a trap. What I was referring to was the tens of billions Obama has transferred from ordinary taxpayers to his union and green energy buddies. I don’t know how you could have missed it; it’s been all over the news.

        Taxes have remained at historical lows.

        Now you’re just displaying your ignorance.

        Sure, there are a number of policies he would like to institute but it has not happened.

        Name one, and explain why you support it.

      • RetiredSpook February 5, 2012 / 11:45 am

        Sorry, Spook. Twelve months of growth doesn’t lie.

        Maybe not, but I wouldn’t be bragging about the GDP growth in 2011 of 1.8%, and I certainly wouldn’t want to run for re-election on those numbers.

      • Amazona February 5, 2012 / 12:45 pm

        “He took over a plane in a full dive.”

        This must be the substitute for the worn-out “running the car into the ditch” silliness of the prior chapter of Blame Everyone Else Especially Bush.

        But if steelhead likes this analogy, then let’s look at who shot the pilot in the head and disabled the guidance system. That would be the Left, and their social engineering experiments gone awry. That would be the wholly predictable (to those who understand markets and the economy) but possibly Unintended Consequences of using the federal government to implement “social justice” agendas.

        And when the plane started its reckless descent, it was the Left who rammed the throttle to full speed, with additional government intrusion into the lending markets and failure to force the SEC to do its job of overseeing securities.

        Corrections could have, and should have, been made before it was too late. For a while, when the fatal flaws in the RRL’s stampede to implement their pie-in-the-sky, wouldn’t-it-be-so-great schemes to somehow make it possible for everyone to own a home, regardless of income or work history or lending history, were explained, the Left’s Blame Bush Brigade responded with “Well, it WAS Bush’s fault—he didn’t do enough to fix what we broke!” They finally figured out how stupid this sounded—-while they had one finger pointed at Bush, the other three pointed back at them—so they just dropped that line of excuse-making. But it was true.

        Bush, et al, DIDN’T do enough to check the problem when it was still correctable. All they did was shift responsibility for overseeing the sale of mortgages onto the SEC, and then they walked away with nary a backward glance to see if the SEC was doing its job. (Hint: It wasn’t.)

        They should have gone back into Carter-era legislation and worked forward, dismantling the Community Reinvestment Act and every single piece of misbegotten legislation that followed in its wake. They should have repealed every half-assed bandaid slapped on every defect that popped up, and scraped the whole mess down to the original lending practice of reviewing financial responsibility and ability to take on debt as criteria for lending money, and let the market proceed as it had for so long.

        They should have repeated the 10th Amendment so often it became seared—SEARED !! I tell you !!—-into the brains of Americans, and pointed out that states had the right to enter into charitable schemes to aid the poor in obtaining housing if they wanted to, but this was not only the job of the federal government, it was forbidden to it.

        But even this level of Blame Bush depends on the existence of the bad legislation that started it all, and this rests firmly on the Left.

  4. J. R. Babcock February 3, 2012 / 10:39 am

    Forget the “Food Stamp President”. Obama’s legacy will be as the “Entitlementarian President”.

    Even corporate welfare has skyrocketed under the doofus as subsidies to the energy sector have quadrupled, much of is going down rat holes like Solyndra, and ending up in the pockets of wealthy Obama donors.

  5. RetiredSpook February 3, 2012 / 11:19 am

    I have a suggestion: why don’t the Conservatives on this blog get together and launch a campaign called Caucasian Americans for (fill in the blank – Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Paul). Wouldn’t that be great?

    • Cluster February 3, 2012 / 11:20 am

      We are waiting confirmation from the White Congressional Caucus.

      • Amazona February 5, 2012 / 12:24 am

        I understand their discussions will be broadcast on the Caucasian News Channel.

    • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 1:10 pm


      we could elect David Duke, as POTUS, and like obama pretend he is a very religious guy who sat under a crazy uncle for 20 years and the KKK was just some guys in the neighborhood.And Hitler ? met him a couple of times at his wollfslair……….

      After all it worked once didnt it?

  6. Cluster February 3, 2012 / 11:43 am

    MSNBC did quite a segment on Mormonism today which is appropriate considering the extensive segment they did on Black Liberation Theology when vetting Obama.

    Oh wait.

    • bardolf February 3, 2012 / 12:11 pm

      Neoconehead is still bringing up Rev. Wright. It was all over the news for weeks on end.

      • Cluster February 3, 2012 / 12:30 pm

        Not on MSNBC stool, and very little of it elsewhere except for Hannity. But MSNBC gushed over yesterdays attendance at the national prayer breakfast by Obama – which incidentally was his first attendance at said breakfast since he has been president – and in an election year. Convenient isn’t it?

      • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 12:46 pm

        Annnnnnnnd he mentions islam as a great religion at a Christian “prayer” breakfast while misquoting Jesus.
        ya gotta love the weasel…..NOT

        Obama In Turkey “We Do Not Consider Ourselves A Christian Nation”

        REALLY ? YOU LIE you FOOL!!

      • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 12:49 pm

        ENOUGH of this Fn Cretin already,,,

      • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 12:58 pm


        wright defines who the cretin is and what his beliefs are, the two cant be separated.
        It is an insult for this POS to address a Christian prayer breakfast mention islam and misquote Jesus for political game.
        This piece of garbage has no shame….did you say Golf, Vacation and partaaaay.

        Jesus would be spinning in his grave if he was still in one.

      • Amazona February 5, 2012 / 12:22 am

        dolf, please explain.

        Do you think it insignificant to have a president who chose a church based upon its racist teachings?

        Do you think that any significance this might have had should be diluted by the passage of time or the number of references to it?

        What possible difference can it make about something being talked about for “weeks on end” if the ‘something’ is as important as hatred of the predominant race of the nation you are elected to lead?

        Or, back to # 1, do you just find it insignificant to have the president of the United States so strongly attracted to and connected with an admittedly anti-white organization and its leader?

        In a connected but not direct line of questioning:

        Do you find it significant or disturbing to have a president whose history has been, for at least two decades, one of attraction to and participation in a strongly anti-white church, who then puts the nation’s legal system under the control of a man who has instructed his employees to evaluate crimes based on the race of the victim and the race of the alleged perpetrator before making decisions about prosecution? In this case, a man who has instructed his underlings that they should not prosecute black-on-white crimes?

        If you feel that the accounts of these instructions are accurate, do you find this a disturbing direction for the legal system in this country?

        Would you feel there is a connection between the admitted attraction to and participation in a strongly anti-white church and the appointment of a man who has stated his intention to not prosecute crimes committed by black people against white people?

        Is there a reason to stop finding these events and connections relevant and significant? Does the passage of time and/or the number of times they are discussed have any relevance to their importance?

      • bardolf February 5, 2012 / 4:48 pm

        “Do you think it insignificant to have a president who chose a church based upon its racist teachings?” – Amy

        I think you are being harsh on Romney here.

        1. It is true that the Mormon church historically considered black Americans as cursed.

        And [God] had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.” (2 Nephi 5:21)

        2. It is also true that many Mormons fought to change the interpretation of their scriptures and in 1978 the policy against blacks being barred from higher office in the LDS.

        Of course Romney was apolitical in those days so what are we supposed to infer?

        Obama chose the church which would most advance his political career and at the same time be pleasing to his wife. That’s also why Newt is a Catholic. At least Michelle wasn’t pretending to be a good Catholic while seducing a married man.

        If you think political people pick up some of their philosophy in churches just read Clueless above.

  7. James February 3, 2012 / 12:59 pm

    no mention about the jobs report? anyone?

    Spook, since you are the first to jump on the unemployment numbers and participation rate…care to inform us about this month’s numbers?

    Cluster? since you have so much invested in this economy as per your own words, how do you feel about the fact that employers added 243k jobs? unemployment rate down to 8.3%, that’s good right?

    I get it, you only like to talk about religion and the “liberal media” so you can ignore the real issues that are going to get this President 4 more years easy…..

    mark it down now, by November, unemployment will be below 8%.

    • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 1:12 pm


      no mention about the jobs report? anyone?

      is NOT the topic you Moron.

      • neocon1 February 3, 2012 / 1:16 pm

        now get this… it is offensive to– MUSLIMS.

        F em and the camel they rode in on.

    • tiredoflibbs February 3, 2012 / 1:39 pm

      wow, tommy-boy, are you that easily fooled by a conjured up number – can you be anymore of a mindless drone?

      1.2 million people LEFT the job participation rate. They have stopped looking. Therefore, they are no longer calculated into the unemployment rate.

      1.2 million more people who can’t find employment and YOU ARE HAPPY ABOUT THAT? Even with your 243K jobs added, it still is a negative impact. But why quibble about details????

      oh yeah, it makes your incompetent pResident obAMATEUR look better.

    • Cluster February 3, 2012 / 1:53 pm


      Again, thinking is not your strong suit. There were 2.5 million more people working in December, than working in January, and yet liberals like you glow about a manufactured number.

      Please just let the adults handle these issues, ok?

    • tiredoflibbs February 3, 2012 / 2:03 pm

      I see a drone is eager to tout the 8.3% “unemployment” rate, without looking at the meaning of the number.

      “Hey! Unemployment is at 8.3%!!! woohooo!!!! What? 1.2 million more people are out of work and have stopped looking for a job? Who cares! They are no longer counted. If we did count them, then the numbers would not be so good.”

      I love the way these drones regurgitate the useless and inaccurate jobless numbers without any knowledge of how they are calculated. If obAMATEUR can get another million out of the job market since they stopped looking his numbers would be even better. Because that is much easier than actually introducing legislature favorable to the economy and the real job creators.

      • js03 February 3, 2012 / 2:13 pm

        the irony of doublespeak…while we deduct another 1.2 million people who abandoned the work force and live in poverty…all we are told is that the country is better off because that reduced the number of unemployed…

        which is an illusion

    • dbschmidt February 3, 2012 / 7:29 pm

      Unemployment Rate – U6
      Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
      2008 9.2 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.7 10.1 10.5 10.8 11.1 11.8 12.7 13.5
      2009 14.2 15.1 15.7 15.8 16.4 16.5 16.5 16.7 16.8 17.2 17.1 17.1
      2010 16.7 16.9 16.9 17.0 16.6 16.5 16.5 16.6 16.9 16.8 16.9 16.6
      2011 16.1 15.9 15.7 15.9 15.8 16.2 16.1 16.2 16.4 16.0 15.6 15.2
      2012 15.1

      Haven’t figured out how to get the tables to post properly but I am sure it would be easier if the numbers were smaller; nevertheless, the numbers are looking better unless of course you are one of the 15.1% out of work. Not that something like 2.1 million unemployed Americans matter versus if the goal is to get Obi-Won re-elected.

      • dbschmidt February 3, 2012 / 8:02 pm

        Follow-up experiment but accurate…
        Moderator: IF this fails spectacular — please delete immediately.

        Unemployment Rate – U6







    • Amazona February 5, 2012 / 12:29 am

      James, as this thread is about a decision regarding religion, your whine about the jobs numbers is pretty silly.

      Why not snivel about the lack of attention on this thread paid to the overwhelming success of the Chevy Volt? (Motto: If you want to go more than 40 miles you’re a racist.)

      Or the simply scrumpdillitious scones served at the last White House brunch? Why do we insist on ignoring these things in a thread on religion-oriented PC appeasement?

      You keep an eye on things, James, and let us know what you think we ought to talk about and when.

    • RetiredSpook February 5, 2012 / 11:38 am

      mark it down now, by November, unemployment will be below 8%.

      The recent CBO report predicted 8.5% by election time and 9.2% by next January. It’ll be interesting to see which one of you is right.

      Oh, and the interesting thing about the unemployed who are no longer counted — they still get to vote.

  8. js03 February 3, 2012 / 2:11 pm

    The story of Manna teaches us about the mechanics of earning a livelihood. Although we must put forth an effort to obtain an income, our livelihood is ultimately a gift from above – like the Manna. This being the case, a person should recognize that putting forth more effort than required will not yield more money.

    To this extent we read in the Torah that those Jews who gathered more Manna than their family needed found their extra Manna spoiled in the morning.

    It seems to me that the reason that G-d commanded Moses to place a portion of Manna in a flask that would remain in the ark forever, was that G-d desired that the Manna serve as an eternal sign that it is ultimately G-d who provides

    Jewish teaching

  9. Cluster February 3, 2012 / 2:24 pm

    Just imagine how good the unemployment numbers would be if more people would just give up as many have already done.

    Looks like the Occupy movement may hurt democrats chances this fall.

    • js03 February 3, 2012 / 2:45 pm

      go figure…

      the income of a single family in 1913 was generated by a sole provider…most women didnt participate in the workforce

      today…2 earner families are common…the income of a single family is generated by 2 incomes…

      wanna guess which member of the family is dropping out of the workforce?

  10. bloodypenquinstump February 3, 2012 / 4:00 pm
    • bardolf February 3, 2012 / 5:01 pm

      Harry Potter will barely be mentioned in 2 decades.

      In 200 years there will still be people who drug young males for undesired behavior and claim they are doing good for society because the boys have a ‘disease’. That enjoying something is ‘an addiction” a mental “disease” and people are under a drugs “influence”. That the great Satan are the drug dealers.

      The cloistered monks and nuns of psychiatric-dom control modern society like Torquemada could only dream about.

      • Green Mountain Boy February 3, 2012 / 5:06 pm

        Don’t forget Bardolf, in addition more young girls are being labeled as having adhd and other such nonsense too. This so called hyperactivity disorder is starting to cut accross gender lines. It is still more prevalent amoung young boys but soon will be about equal.

      • Amazona February 5, 2012 / 12:49 pm

        But a reasonable suggestion that we start to give children something to do with all that energy—something which will also have the benefit of teaching them about work—is demagogued as an effort to “repeal child labor laws”.

      • bardolf February 5, 2012 / 4:52 pm


        Unfortunately the reasonable suggestion was put forth by Newt. A man who thinks it well to place the American worker in direct competition with slave labor in China (GATT) or cheap labor in Mexico (NAFTA). A man who doesn’t look like he has done an ounce of physical labor in his life and has made his mark through porky politics.

  11. watsonredux February 3, 2012 / 4:44 pm

    tired said, “wow, tommy-boy, are you that easily fooled by a conjured up number – can you be anymore of a mindless drone?”

    Typical. When it suits her, tired and her fellow conservatives go on and on about how Obama said unemployment would get below 8% and it isn’t, just as John Boehner did this morning. Other times, she just dismisses the numbers as made up and meaningless. So which is it, tired?

    • Cluster February 3, 2012 / 5:15 pm


      Rather than look at the unemployment percentage (which liberals always discounted when Bush was in office), let’s look at hard numbers – there are 2.5 million people who were working in December and of whom are not working now, and there are less people active in the work force today than at any other time, for any other president.

      That is what it is.

    • tiredoflibbs February 3, 2012 / 5:19 pm

      Hey watty, what is this “her” stuff???

      Face facts, the jobless numbers are “better” because over a million are no longer calculated as being “unemployed” – just like children and retired persons. The number is meaningless when they purposefully do not count millions of Americans in the calculation.

      The CBO even says that the 8.3% number is bogus. It is bogus. Either way, obAMATEUR’s numbers are a lie.

      I know you can’t face facts when it makes your savior look bad. You too are a mindless drone who regurgitates the dumbed down propaganda.

      • watsonredux February 3, 2012 / 5:34 pm

        ##### who knows whether you are a he or a she or other. If you want to state your gender, go ahead and I’ll respect that in the future.

        As for numbers, if they’re bogus then just be consistent. If you don’t ever rely on them to make your points–because you said they are bogus–then I have no issue. But if you do, I’ll be happy to remind you that you are being hypocritical.

      • tiredoflibbs February 3, 2012 / 5:50 pm

        Hypocritical? How?

        The numbers are bogus. I make my points by the fact that they are ignoring Americans who are out of work and are no longer working because they can’t find a job and have given up. They are not counted in the calculation. So to say that his policies are bringing unemployment down is a lie.

        I have been consistent on those facts. You are consistent in touting lower numbers that are a lie. ObAMATEUR is consistent in that he is lying again.

        You have an issue because you don’t like the facts.

      • tiredoflibbs February 3, 2012 / 5:51 pm

        Also watty, why would a woman pick the avatar that is displayed?

        I know logic and reasoning are not your strong points but sheesh.

      • watsonredux February 3, 2012 / 10:47 pm

        ##### said, “I have been consistent on those facts. You are consistent in touting lower numbers that are a lie. ObAMATEUR is consistent in that he is lying again.”

        No, you have been consistent in that you don’t read. Y are so convinced that already know what everyone else said that you don’t actually pay any attention to what they say. I didn’t tout any numbers. I just pointed out that you and your pals tout the numbers when they suit them and dismiss them as bogus when it suits them. If you haven’t done so, my apologies.

      • tiredoflibbs February 4, 2012 / 12:13 am

        Wow Watty for someone who says that I don’t read what you say, you don’t pay attention to what you write.

        Please provide proof of your claims that I am inconsistent in my facts presented and where I am hypocritical.

        If obAMATEUR makes the claim that his policies are lowering unemployment, the facts don’t support his lie and touting that fact does not make us hypocritical.

      • watsonredux February 4, 2012 / 10:21 pm

        #### you still aren’t reading. I already said that if you do not bandy about the unemployment rate when it suits you, then my apologies. Geez, even when someone offers an apology, you ignore it and go on attacking as though nothing happened. You simply can’t get out of attack mode, can you.

    • tiredoflibbs February 3, 2012 / 5:47 pm

      Since watty desperately needs a pat on obAMATEUR’s back where employment numbers are concerned here it is.

      Under his administration, a RECORD number of people have left the work force – not through retirement.

      Also under his administration, a RECORD number of people are now on food stamps.

      His policies and economy are pathetic and he has no one to blame but himself and his fellow looters.

      • neocon1 February 4, 2012 / 8:46 am


        remember this is the same “man” who states terrorist friends are just people in the neighborhood, gangsters are just next door neighbors, maniac cult leaders are just misunderstood, racist bigots cults are just a “church” and black nationalist hateful fools also misunderstood.
        NOTHING from his lips, life, faith, background is the truth.

      • Amazona February 5, 2012 / 11:05 am

        Do you think the wattle really does not understand that the unemployment figures are based, not on the number of people out of work, but the number of people receiving unemployment benefits?

        Or do you think he understands this and just chooses to try to push a lie?

        When someone has been unemployed for so long he is no longer eligible for benefits, he doesn’t suddenly have a job. But, as he is no longer receiving benefits, he is no longer counted in the “unemployment” data.

        As far as the administration, and the bootlicking Obamabots, are concerned, they evidently no longer exist. When it fact it is their old JOBS that no longer exist.

      • tiredoflibbs February 6, 2012 / 1:23 pm

        Here are some MORE inconvenient facts about our unemployment situation.

        First .. .did you realize that up until the obAMATEUR administration the Labor Department largely depended on state governments for each state’s specific employment statistics? The obAMATEUR decided that this function should be removed from the states and centralized under his administrative guidance. Now here’s a guy who went from “jobs created” to “jobs created or saved” as he tried to convince the American people that his stimulus plan was working … and now he finds it necessary to put the responsibility of developing unemployment figures in the White House? So watty, there is no comparison to the Bush administration and their policies since a) they did not control the labor statistics as obAMATEUR administration does and b) the employment figures and participation rate were on a positive climb unlike the negative one that the obAMATEUR administration is inducing onto the economy.

        Second, in January, 1.2 million people DROPPED OUT of the labor force in one month! This is the largest absolute jump in ‘Persons Not In Labor Force’ on record…and biggest percentage jump in 30 years. (Zero Hedge). If these people, or a significant portion of them, were in the workforce without jobs the unemployment figure would be higher than 8.3%. So now you’re left with having to figure out whether or not you believe this many people actually said “the hell with it” in one month. Many experts are quite skeptical about this figure.

        Third, the report Friday said 12.8 million people remained unemployed – 43% of them for more than six months – and that another 8.2 million part-time workers couldn’t find full-time employment. (LA Times)

        With the latest job gains, total payrolls in the nation stand about 5.6 million less than at the start of the recession in late 2007. (LA Times) Our population is growing month by month … yet we now have 5.6 million fewer jobs? Does this sound like a successful presidency? Nope, but to the drones who depend upon dear leader for their information? They will regurgitate this bucket of lies ad nauseum.

        If the size of the U.S. labor force as a share of the total population – people with jobs and people trying to find jobs — was the same as it was when Barack Obama took office—65.7 percent then vs. 63.7 percent today—the U-3 unemployment rate would be 11.0 percent . (James Pethokoukis). Just to put that in perspective, this means that since Obama too office, approximately 4.7 million people are no longer being counted towards the unemployment rate.

        But let’s not go all the way back to January 2009. In January 2011, the unemployment rate was 9.1 percent with a participation rate of 64.2 percent. If that were the participation rate today, the unemployment rate would be 8.9 percent, instead of 8.3 percent. As an analysis from Hamilton Place Strategies concludes, “Most of the shift of the past year is due not to the improvement in the labor market, but the continued drop in participation in the labor force.” (James Pethokoukis)

        Fourth, then there’s the broader, U-6 measure of unemployment which includes the discouraged plus part-timers who wish they had full time work. That unemployment rate is still a sky-high 15.1 percent. (James Pethokoukis)

        So if you add up the number of people who are actually unemployed in the ObamaEconomy (12.7 million), the 4.7 million who have given up and dropped out of the labor force and then those who are underemployed, can’t find full-time work (10.5 million) …this means that there are about 28 million working age adults who can’t find work in the ObamaEconomy.

        Like I said, don’t depend on the ObamaMedia to report these facts. But the fact is that Obama’s “success” is built upon the struggles of Americans who have given up or frustrated in the current economy. There are 28 million “Forgotten Americans***) in this country because of obAMATEUR’s failed policies and their willingness to ignore them in lieu of “positive” (made up) numbers.

      • tiredoflibbs February 6, 2012 / 1:32 pm

        *** for Forgotten Americans see my latest thread on the artist who depicts the obAMATEUR trampling the Constitution.

  12. Green Mountain Boy February 3, 2012 / 5:34 pm

    Come on now folks. Has it not been decided that numbers only mean what the leftys say they mean?

    Think about it. When was the last time we heard about the number of homeless out there. What happened to the daily body count from Astan? Can’t wait for Jan of 2013. Those numbers at least will start showing up again.

    • neocon1 February 4, 2012 / 9:35 am


      only when it fits the marxist template/agenda.

  13. Gman February 3, 2012 / 6:26 pm

    You guys know name calling makes you look immature right? I think you can make your point without using a childish name-insult combination every fifth word.

    • Caveat Emptor February 3, 2012 / 7:52 pm

      Every FIFTH Word?

      You exaggerate things about a million times worse than they really are.

    • neocon1 February 4, 2012 / 8:49 am


      then dont come here, fools and liars are treated …..well like fools and liars.

  14. Rightlane February 4, 2012 / 12:59 am

    Not the one I choose to read…, so for me, I have hope of redemption, because of the Father’s love, through my faith in His Son’s sacrifice and by my confession to and repentance from sin to Christ. How awesome is God? How does one measure the infinite? I don’t know, but I do know Jesus is Lord!

    • neocon1 February 4, 2012 / 8:49 am

      Amen !!

    • Jeremiah February 4, 2012 / 5:38 pm

      How does one measure the infinite? I don’t know, but I do know Jesus is Lord!


      I say Praise the Lord! to that! 🙂

      As to “how does one measure the Almighty?” the Bible says He is immeasurable. He is greater than height, He is greater than depth, He is greater than width, and His love also, is immeasurable. He holds the vast weight, height, depth and width of the universe all in His mighty hand!

  15. Rdm February 4, 2012 / 2:14 pm

    So when do I get to edit out everything I find offensive in the Koran?

    • neocon1 February 4, 2012 / 2:54 pm


      The Koran editing happened in Fla.
      they burned it. 🙂

  16. neocon1 February 4, 2012 / 4:10 pm

    U.S. Army Silences Catholic Chaplains From Speaking out Against Obama Admin Ruling

    “it seemed to encourage civil disobedience and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief…”

    • neocon1 February 4, 2012 / 4:11 pm

      See Christian Students Slamming Vanderbilt’s Religious Crackdown: ‘They’re…Asking Us to Deny Our Faith’

      “…where no other university has gone before.”

      • neocon1 February 4, 2012 / 4:15 pm

        Santorum on Obama‘s ’Jesus’ Tax Talk: ‘I’ve Read the Bible & I Must Have Missed That Passage’

      • neocon1 February 4, 2012 / 4:19 pm

        Vandal Tears Up Bible, Desecrates Communion Bread & Steals $10,000 During Vicious TX Church Attack

        “The guy who [got] into the church, he did a lot of disgraceful things.”

  17. bloodypenquinstump February 4, 2012 / 5:31 pm
  18. Jeremiah February 4, 2012 / 5:31 pm

    Islam is a cancer and needs to be wiped from the face of the earth.

    • bardolf February 4, 2012 / 8:50 pm

      That sounds more like Islamic thinking than Christian thinking.

      “My kingdom is not of this world.” John 18:36

      • Green Mountain Boy February 4, 2012 / 9:07 pm

        So you should just surrender to the islamics then? Are you ready to submit? To pay your jizya? To become less than second class? Let us know your descion.

      • Jeremiah February 4, 2012 / 9:14 pm

        I know, bardolf … maybe it does. Although it is not “right” thinking for me to suggest such an action … aside from that, as far as right and wrong are concerned, Islam is in the wrong, and will always be in the wrong, and it will be eradicated from the earth when Jesus Christ returns to gather His flock to Him.

        The Bible says, “let the tares and wheat grow together until the Savior’s return.”

      • bardolf February 5, 2012 / 1:27 am


        The flesh, the Devil and the world are working against you. Tell me the last time you were tempted to submit to Islam. Islam is there in the open. It is far far far down on my list of things which will cause me grief.

        Send your kids to public schools. They learn 40 million abortions were about freedom. You are a random accident of nature. Sex is a power struggle or a game. Your identity is your clothing or tattoos or some letters on a piece of paper. The aim of life is to work hard enough so eventually you don’t have to work or care at all. Those with less than you are contemptible, not worthy of your attention.


        Just remember, the same that sows is the same that gathers. Be the good soil. You can’t do much about the rocky soil far away.

      • Green Mountain Boy February 5, 2012 / 8:07 am

        Just wondering what your plans were. No need to get testy. 🙂

      • Amazona February 5, 2012 / 11:28 am

        dolf, are you really claiming that students in public schools are really being taught “ work hard enough so eventually you don’t have to work ..” ?


        And are they really being taught that “Those with less than you are contemptible, not worthy of your attention.”


        As for the first claim, the Leftist academic meme seems to be to teach that it is the job of the government to take care of you, cradle to grave. Sure, SOMEBODY’S going to have to work, to pay for it all, but with the emphasis on “studies” degrees and their ‘diversity’ cousins, it’s hard to see where the “work hard” thing comes in. It looks to me like students are being taught that a few venal and greedy heartless predators are going to go out and make a lot of money, probably unethically, and it is only “fair” to take a lot of it, if not most of it, away to give to those who find virtue in NOT working very hard.

        As for the second, it is all ABOUT “..those with less than you…” who are now the primary focus of all politics. How much money to give them, how to take care of their health needs, how they should eat, how they should be given mortgages they can’t afford to live in houses they can’t afford to keep up even if the mortgage is paid, how they should be given cars so they can drive to those nonexistent jobs, etc.

        No, it is the productive who are scorned, and ambition is now recast as “greed”, making it a pejorative and something to be avoided.

      • bardolf February 5, 2012 / 5:07 pm


        Yes, the top high school students are told that one of the goals in life is to retire early. That is the incentive to work hard in the USA nowadays.

        Yes, public high schools separate out a crop of ‘honor students’ and encourage them not to mix with the low life. The words aren’t those but the students get the message.

        The biggest waste of resources in the world is for so-called “gifted” students. The main purpose of the monies for “gifted” students is to give them their own guidance counselors who tell them how special they are for being smart.

        As for your “entrepreneurs” are under attack in academia shtick, it is just tired and part of the modern FOX mythology.

        Every economics class will tell you that if you personally fail it is because you are a talent less loser and the economy is misallocating resources by helping you out. OTOH if a bank or business fails it is because of burdensome regulation or some other BS and hence the government needs to subsidize the bank for the public good.

      • Jeremiah February 5, 2012 / 8:48 pm


        You don’t need to tell me to “be the good soil” as it were.
        I’ve been a born-again believer all my life, been washed-in-the-blood of Jesus.

        Christ commands me to take the Good News to the lost, as that is who the Good News was meant for, afterall. They are the soil the Bible talks about.

  19. Amazona February 4, 2012 / 9:57 pm

    I think that a fair-minded atheist or agnostic would still be able to see the insanity of leaving out the very words that define such an essential aspect of Christianity, the Trinity, to avoid “offending” people who don’t believe in Christianity.

    This is not just about people of faith. This is about fundamentally changing the way we are allowed to think, write and believe, just to appease people who have no qualms about being as offensive as possible toward us.

    Christianity itself, by virtue of not being Islam, is in and of itself offensive to Muslims. Their own bible tells them to kill all who do not believe in Islam. So what’s next? Christians are supposed to change their beliefs to accommodate people who are profoundly intolerant, themselves? Once a core belief is purged from the Bible, what else will fall to the intolerance of Islam and the cowardice of the politically correct?

    The entire history of Christianity is full of stories of people who have given their very LIVES to defend their faith, and now Wycliffe Bible Translators, Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) and Frontiers are caving in because they are “under fire” regarding the language of the Bible?

    I suggest that Wycliffe Bible Translators, Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) and Frontiers all be replaced by translators with spines, who will translate the Bible as it is written and not edit it to appease nonbelievers.

  20. Amazona February 4, 2012 / 10:05 pm

    SIL has issued a public response ………………which is similar to Wycliffe’s, (which) claims “word-for-word translation of these titles would communicate an incorrect meaning (i.e. that God had physical, sexual relationships with Mary) [sic],” thus justifying substituting “Father” and “Son” in new translations.

    Yet in the same statement, SIL claims ………. “all personnel subscribe to a statement of faith which affirms the Trinity, Christ’s deity, and the inspiration of Scripture.”

    Now wouldn’t you think that a group which has been translating the Bible for so long, which has a staff so firm in its belief in “..the Trinity, Christ’s deity, and the inspiration of Scripture” might know that the belief in Jesus being the Son of God has nothing whatsoever to do with “..physical, sexual relationships..”?

    Wouldn’t you?

    And what does that weasel-word effort to excuse their cowardice have to with replacing “God” with “Allah”?

  21. Jeremiah February 4, 2012 / 11:18 pm

    This can’t be watched enough … Bridgette in vivid detail the plans of Muslims for America and how they are using every thing at their disposal to bring about their plan of Islamic conquest of America….including, of all places, or schools…watch…

    • neocon1 February 5, 2012 / 12:46 pm

      Woman Reads the Bible to Her Attacker — After He Slashed Her Throat With a Knife

      “She even invited him to her church.”

      A police report describes the attacker as a light-skinned, biracial man in his late teens or 20s

      could it be???
      Oh wait, he he in his 40’s

      • neocon1 February 5, 2012 / 12:47 pm

        he he = he be

  22. Bigfoot February 5, 2012 / 2:43 pm

    Muslims believe that Jesus was not actually crucified, so the crucifixtion story might be another thing likely to offend them. How soon before that gets changed?

  23. dennis February 5, 2012 / 4:56 pm

    Amazona says, “This is about fundamentally changing the way we are allowed to think, write and believe, just to appease people who have no qualms about being as offensive as possible toward us.”

    That’s absurd. Nobody is disallowing you to think, write or believe whatever you choose. It’s doubtful you would even be able to buy one of those Bibles in a book store. The market for Bibles in America is driven by evangelicals who want authorized versions, not by translators targeting other cultures.

    “Now wouldn’t you think that a group which has been translating the Bible for so long… might know that the belief in Jesus being the Son of God has nothing whatsoever to do with ‘physical, sexual relationships’?” Of course <em<they know this. Does it escape you that they aren’t choosing words for their own convenience, but to help another cultural group with fundamentally different perceptions, reference points and standards of sexual behavior come to a correct understanding of the Incarnation?

    Tangential, but might help open your mind a little – here’s a website where you can study some of the parallels between Islam and biblical Christian teachings. This is the result of decades of work by Christian missionaries dedicated to making Christianity understandable to devout Muslims:

    Neocon: “Reason for Persecution: the Cross separates us from the world.”

    Who’s “us”, Neocon? You don’t sound persecuted much. Nor do you sound like a person bearing a very heavy cross. We hear about your money, your lavish spending habits and your resentment of others. You openly revile the people you despise.

    Jesus said, “By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” He wasn’t just talking about your friends – he said “Love your enemies and do good to those who hate you.” Whose disciple are you? Both the Old and New Testaments command you to feed your enemies if they’re hungry and give them drink if they’re thirsty. And remember, one of the main sins of Sodom was that they did nothing to help the poor and needy. That’s in Ezekiel 16:49, any translation you want.

    How sacred is the Word of God to you, when you haul it out mainly for cursing the president with Psalm 109:8? The apostle Paul told early Christians: “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.” They were suffering under the likes of King Herod and emperor Caligula, and you think you’re being clever here to trash talk Obama?

    In light of the attitudes commonly expressed on this blog, protest over a Bible translation appears motivated not by reverence for what the Scriptures actually teach, but by bigotry and resentment of others. If you’re a Christian Jesus will be your character model. He selflessly came from being Lord of the Universe to the working poor of a fallen race on a morally polluted planet. He didn’t wipe out people he didn’t like, Jeremiah – he died for them. But while he was alive he socialized with tax collectors, rabble-rousers and other disreputable people. Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright might have been his friends. The last person he showed kindness to before dying was a convicted thief. He got treated worse than you do, but didn’t take offense nearly as easily. What’s your excuse?

    Remember in the end it won’t matter what others did. Others won’t stand in your place in the judgement, you’ll have to answer for yourself.

    • Jeremiah February 5, 2012 / 8:55 pm


      Actually, I was turning the tables on the Muslims…like Iran advocates for the destruction of Israel, what was it the leader of Iran said about the Jews?

      I say the same about the Islamic teaching and propaganda…it needs wiped from the face of the earth.

      But the whole point, that of which you dismissed quite conveniently, is that Muslims are in the wrong to behead and mistreat people of other faiths.

    • neocon1 February 6, 2012 / 5:24 pm


      absolute ROT!!

      . But while he was alive he socialized with tax collectors, rabble-rousers and other disreputable people. Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright might have been his friends

      he didnt socialize with criminals, racists, terrorists, he PREACHED the gospel and redemption to them,

      you do your job as a wolf in sheeps clothing well denny boy.

  24. Jeremiah February 5, 2012 / 9:07 pm

    And I seriously doubt if Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers were to be friends with Jesus, they would be like the young rich man who went away sad after Jesus asked him to go and sell everything he had, and come follow him. In the same light, Ayers and Wright want the control, the power and seat of which Jesus King of kings holds.

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