46 thoughts on “Mid-Week Open Thread

    • neocon1 February 16, 2012 / 6:59 am


      didnt you get the memo???
      the planet is now COOLING

      • neocon1 February 16, 2012 / 7:21 am

        To the blowzos of this world………

        Stop Global Cooling Now!
        Your Help Is Needed NOW!

        Last Winter glaciers grew in Alaska. Snow fell in Baghdad and Madrid and Buenos Aires and many places that haven’t seen snow in decades. Winters in the United States are getting longer, Summer’s shorter and yet no one seems to be doing anything about it!

        Now is your chance. You don’t have to sit huddled in your snuggie sitting around the pot bellied stove any longer. No. You can take ACTION!

        Through this site, we hope to provide many practical solutions that you can put in place to help warm up the planet. We expect you get involved too. By posting your thoughts and ideas together we can heat things up for the betterment of mankind!

        Thank you for caring about the warmth of future generations.


      • neocon1 February 16, 2012 / 7:39 am

        Allen West on Payroll Tax Cut:
        ‘We’re Going to Accumulate a List of Things $40 Does Not Get You’

        “I can’t fill up a tank of gas in my vehicle back home with $40 of gas.”

      • neocon1 February 16, 2012 / 7:43 am

        Rep. Maxine Waters Unhinged: Boehner and Cantor Are ‘Demons!’

        “Don’t ever let me see again in life those Republicans in our hall, on our screens, talking about anything.”

        aunt ester? is dat you?

        Be Vigilant the next year will be ugly, these marxist cretins have become 100% unhinged.

    • tiredoflibbs February 16, 2012 / 9:32 am

      “So it’s not cars and coal that are heating the planet….”

      It is a little know ball of gas called Sol or the Sun for you government school types.

      Creepy assclown, the “climate science” has already been proven to be highly skeptical at best – with the faulty models, assumptions, fraudulent “facts” and “peer reviews”, no debate when the claim has been “the debate is over”, the hockey stick graph, etc. etc. everything has been debunked – plus the fact that the earth is now cooling.

      • bozo February 16, 2012 / 10:24 am

        Yada yada. Forbes, busted as a hoax-promoting propaganda machine, now recants and almost, ALMOST gets it right.

        Seems like the last holdouts are right here. Hang in there. There may be a prize…

        Wacky thing is that I’ve got 3.4kw of solar panels on my roof that supply more than 100% of all my home energy needs, while taking up less than a quarter of my roof. A 10 grand investment nets me about a hundred bucks a month on saved bills. This is a 12% return on my investment, even if you are a denier, a no brainer. Anyone else getting that kind of return on their investments?

      • Amazona February 16, 2012 / 11:49 am

        Anyone denying electricity generated by solar power?



        Nah…didn’t think so. Evidently “denier” is one of the new RRL catchphrases, supposed to be a pejorative no matter how stupidly it is applied.

        Sounds to me like freakzo is denying the power of that massive ball of fire in the sky, related to its warming effect on the Earth when it is relatively nearby, and at the same time gloating over its ability to provide power to his home.

        Kinda stumbling all over yourself, there, aintcha freakzo?

        BTW, a few years ago there was a CONSENSUS of Japanese scientists that we were facing a new Little Ice Age, as the distance between Earth and Sun increases. Funniest thing, that never got much press, at least not in the Complicit Agenda Media.

        Warming=less fuel of any kind needed to provide heat (less pollution) more crops being grown, higher productivity overall, more ease of travel, fewer deaths due to climate.

        Cooling=more use of fuels to provide heat (increased pollution and depletion of natural resources) less food grown, problems in transportation, more deaths due to climate.

        But the hysteria was about this fleeting warming trend. Evidently that’s where the money is.

      • tiredoflibbs February 16, 2012 / 12:13 pm

        What denial, Creepy Assclown?

        You put solar panels on your roof. BFD. What is so wacky about that? I bet your solar panels are getting their energy and converting it from the SUN! The same sun that does more to influence the global climate than the “sky is falling” “climate” scientists deny (speaking of denials).

        I have asked this question before many times and NONE of you mindless drones can answer it. What is the NORMAL temperature of this Earth? Are we warming towards that NORMAL temperature or are we warming above it? A 100 year SNAPSHOT of global temperatures (most of which are inaccurate since the temperatures were taken by improperly set up stations and only reflect a very small percentage of the “global temperature) does not determine this. You have heard of ice ages haven’t you? What ended those long before the “industrial revolution”? (more questions you mindless drones can’t answer!).

        Your solar panel installation (among many others) does not change the fact that man-made global warming is a hoax. A scam for governments to promote legislation that would do nothing to reduce it, just confiscate more money from the private and commercial sectors in the name of “saving the planet”.

        As I said, you are a mindless drone regurgitating the leftist propaganda.

      • tiredoflibbs February 16, 2012 / 12:22 pm

        Interesting article there assclown.

        It seems Steve Zwick wants to do an HONEST debate and analysis of “climate change” – something liberals and the IPCC have always avoided.

        They have avoided the debate and ignored any scientist, climatologist, etc. who questioned and challenged their process.

        Let’s have the an honest analysis and the actual debate! The libs, progs, socialists are scared of the truth and actual science which led them to their subterfuge, misinformation and lies that the email leaks revealed.

    • RetiredSpook February 16, 2012 / 1:21 pm


      A drop in the bucket compared to the cash that’s being spent to promote climate alarmism.

    • neocon1 February 16, 2012 / 5:58 pm


      ONE case out of THOUSANDS…BFD

      cab you say? …….The Murder of Shannon Christian and Christopher Newsome


      • Robin Naismith Green February 17, 2012 / 12:04 pm

        One case out of thousands . . . there too.

        Have you looked at how many murder suicides there have been in the last few years? I wonder if many of those women and children would have been safer in a nice apartment in Harlem instead of in their suburban homes with their murderous husbands?

      • neocon1 February 17, 2012 / 5:37 pm


        mmmm mmmm mmmm


        Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders

        In 2005, homicide rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites.

        To view data, click on the chart.

        Homicide Victimization by Race[D]

        For more information about racial patterns in violent victimization
        see Key Facts at a Glance.

        In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites

        To view data, click on the chart.

        Homicide Offending by Race [D]
        The race distribution of homicide victims and offenders differs by type of homicide

        For the years 1976-2005 combined –

        Black victims are over represented in homicides involving drugs. Compared with the overall involvement of blacks as victims, blacks are less often the victims of sex-related homicides, workplace killings, and homicide by poison.

        Race patterns among offenders are similar to those among victims.

      • neocon1 February 17, 2012 / 5:40 pm

        sad so sad

        Crime Rates

        Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder,

        and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

        When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

        Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate,

        and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
        The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

      • neocon1 February 17, 2012 / 5:43 pm

        Ubomba hope n loose change

        Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

        Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

      • neocon1 February 17, 2012 / 5:48 pm

        Since 1965, through economic recessions and booms, the black family has unraveled in ways that have little parallel in human cultures.
        By 1980, black fatherlessness had doubled; 56 percent of black births were to single mothers.

        In inner-city neighborhoods, the number was closer to 66 percent. By the 1990s, even as the overall fertility of American women, including African Americans, was falling, the majority of black women who did bear children were unmarried.

        Today, 70 percent of black children are born to single mothers. In some neighborhoods, two-parent families have vanished. In parts of Newark and Philadelphia, for example, it is common to find children who are not only growing up without their fathers but don’t know anyone who is living with his or her biological father.

        And what has this meant for racial progress? Fifty years after Jim Crow, black U.S. households have the lowest median income of any racial or ethnic group. Close to a third of black children are poor, and their chances of moving out of poverty are considerably lower than those of their white peers. The fractured black family is not the sole explanation for these gaps, but it is central. While half of all black children born to single mothers are poor, that is the case for only 12 percent of those born to married parents. At least three simulation studies “marrying off” single mothers to either the fathers of their children or to potential husbands of similar demographic characteristics concluded that child poverty would be dramatically lower had marriage rates remained what they were in 1970. _WaPo

    • Amazona February 16, 2012 / 7:00 pm

      Bustamante is the child of teenage parents, a drug abuser whose mother and father left her to serve time in prison.

      Children who commit murder are more likely to come from homes where domestic abuse, physical violence, sexual abuse, the complete absence of parenting or poor parenting and over all instability were present.

      But to the Robins of the world, the REAL problem was that she went to church.

      • Robin Naismith Green February 17, 2012 / 12:05 pm

        The truth will set you free . . .

  1. Robin Naismith Green February 16, 2012 / 8:15 am

    Racism is not and never will be tolerated on this blog. As your posts are very racist you will find them removed. //Moderator

    • Amazona February 16, 2012 / 11:56 am

      Keep linking us to racist, anti-conservative rants like this one, Robbie, just so we can see the source of your strange hate-based positions.

      “…..the Republican version of “political correctness” has given us “welfare cheat” as a new term for African American…”

      Yep, you and your kind slurp up lies like this and regurgitate them with glee. Odd, how desperately you seek out this kind of dreck, and how deeply it resonates with what has to be an equally vile and hateful component of yourselves.

      However, this dependence on sussing out hidden meanings in random phrases just points out that this is all you’ve got. (Though clearly it is also all you need.) If you had anything of substance, I am sure you would share it. The fact that all you can do is cite some mouth-breathing bigot whose entire diatribe is based on an imaginary definition of a simple term is just proof that there IS nothing of substance there for you to latch on to.

      As well as that you don’t NEED anything of substance to fuel your insatiable need for spite and malice.

    • neocon1 February 16, 2012 / 6:00 pm


      Gee ya think?

      lets see
      white = 85% population
      black = 12% population

      NOW if you want to talk PROPORTIONATELY…YOU LOSE forker.

  2. Robin Naismith Green February 16, 2012 / 8:19 am

    Racism is not and never will be tolerated on this blog. As your posts are very racist you will find them removed. //Moderator

    • Cluster February 16, 2012 / 8:39 am

      The blatant racism aside, Robin definitely displays the simple mind of a liberal. You see dear, most conservatives really don’t care what color of skin someone has – that is solely the bastion of the left who constantly seek to divide people along racial and economic lines. Your confusion here Robin is that when you hear welfare, you immediately think of black people, because of your bigotry. Welfare is welfare regardless of who it is distributed to, and often times only serves to rob a person of their self esteem and drive. That being said, African Americans only comprise about 13% of the population, while Caucasians comprise a significantly higher percentage, so it would make sense right that the numbers are what they are.

      You might want to try and push past your bigotry and reconsider your worldview in terms of top down government run nations. Your liberal brethren in Greece are now living the failure you so ardently support.

      • hesindnile February 16, 2012 / 9:55 am

        Cluster, that may be true about you but it isn’t true about Neo. He hates those minorities who are just too lazy to get out and get a job and depend on his tax dollars to live the life of luxury.

      • Cluster February 16, 2012 / 12:56 pm

        I don’t believe it to be true about neocon either. Just because he isn’t politically correct and offends your delicate sensitivities doesn’t mean that he is a racist. In fact, neocon is a huge supporter of Allen West, who is also not very politically correct, and that is always refreshing.

        This sterile environment liberals always advocate is nauseating. Let people be people for crying out loud. Everyone has the right to be offended from time to time.

      • neocon1 February 16, 2012 / 6:05 pm


        He hates OPPOSES those minorities LOOTERS who are just too lazy to get out and get a job and depend on his tax dollars to live the life of luxury. SLOTH

        fixed assKlown

      • Amazona February 16, 2012 / 6:56 pm

        Cluster, remember, to those whose every “decision” is based on emotion, there is no other explanation for any stance other than something like ‘hate’.

        Trying to explain rational thought to these people is like trying to explain a taste or a scent–you’ve either experienced it and therefore understand it, or you simply can’t understand it.

    • Cluster February 16, 2012 / 9:06 am

      An excerpt from the racist article Robin linked to:

      …much more than the $3.9 billion advantage African Americans gain from their disproportionate share of welfare.

      “Disproportionate share”?? What a pathetic mind set. As if welfare is a right, and needs to be equally distributed – and along racial lines???

      Of course with this current president, welfare could become the new norm. I will say again that if we actually lived by Darwin’s theory, liberals would not survive. So I find it ironic that liberals only want to promote Darwin’s theory in the class room, but choose to appeal to the benevolence of Christianity in the real world when they ultimately realize that they can not compete.

      • tiredoflibbs February 16, 2012 / 9:34 am

        Cluster, Miss Green is a proggy or progressive. You know the name that was found to be more acceptable to the public than socialist.

      • neocon1 February 16, 2012 / 6:20 pm

        a FORKER LOON

      • Robin Naismith Green February 17, 2012 / 12:11 pm

        So it would okay if the government took back the $10 billion given to whites in Social Security each year? The best estimate I have is 65% of that number is money paid out beyond what these individuals have put in. If we went by Darwin’s rules there would be no Social Security and that would make Florida a very young and vibrant place with a very full cemetary population

    • neocon1 February 16, 2012 / 6:22 pm



      HISPANICS are counted as WHITE for these statistics, including welfare and crime.

    • Amazona February 16, 2012 / 6:44 pm

      Of course it stands out for YOU, Robbie—-it’s the kind of vicious slur you seek out and then wallow in.

      I found it vile, and despicable, but its attractiveness to a certain kind of mentality is obvious.

  3. Raging Bull February 16, 2012 / 9:07 am


    President Obama, faced with no recovery from the recession as he enters an election year, has come up with a handy political gimmick: Fake the statistics.

    The economic data that portend recovery are totally and completely inventions of Obama’s political operation. The reality is that no recovery is taking place!

    Economist James Fitzgibbon, of the Highlander Fund, explains how cooked the economic statistics on which the president bases his claims of recovery really are.

    • watsonredux February 16, 2012 / 12:18 pm

      I love the way this guy puts stock market “gains” in quotes, as though selling stock for more than you paid for it isn’t a profit at all. Funny, when I sold that lump of Apple stock for twice what I paid for it, I guess I didn’t make any money, only fake “money.”

      This is also the guy who predicted six months ago that “The real horror will be later in the year [2011] when the US Treasury Bond goes into a freefall. Then a depression is possible. Soaring interest rates. Collapsing asset values. Contracting economic activity. Surging unemployment. And business closures.”

      Okay, so he messed up a bit on his 2011 predictions. There’s always 2012. Or wait! Maybe it all happened and we just don’t know about it because all of the data is being faked. Yeah. That’s it.

      • tiredoflibbs February 16, 2012 / 2:01 pm

        watty, the buying and selling of stock, its VOLUME is way down. While, prices rise, the number of people buying is way down.

        Why is that? Perhaps you can ask yourself that question, and think of the BIG PICTURE – something liberals on which liberals are very short sighted.

        It’s like the unemployment figures, you libs rave over the few fractions of points it has gone down, without looking at the big picture. Fewer people, (over 1 million) have dropped from the unemployed rolls and are no longer looking because there are no jobs. You libs ignore them in the unemployment calculus.

        Then you start having parties about a recovery!

        Again, watty, big picture not little mindless talking points.

      • RetiredSpook February 16, 2012 / 2:12 pm

        You libs ignore them in the unemployment calculus.

        Tired, Watson has reminded us repeatedly that he’s not a Liberal. I’m not sure exactly what he is, but I definitely believe him when he claims not to be a Liberal.

      • neocon1 February 16, 2012 / 6:19 pm


        my vote for watty would be a Fn dummy…..

      • Amazona February 16, 2012 / 6:52 pm

        If the wattle is not a Liberal, what then IS he?

        Given that there are really only two political models vying for control in 21st Century America, and given that one—-the big-government, top-down, collectivist Leftist model is variously known as Liberalism, Socialism, Marxism, Communism, or Progressivism, depending on the degree of government control and current efforts to hide the ideology behind deceptive terminology—-seems to be the one defended and supported by the wattle, it’s hard to know what else to call him.

        His contempt and loathing for those who support the small-government, local-control, individualist model of the Right, of the 21ar Century American Conservative, leaves him no other choice, no matter how he may try to squirm out of any label.

        He may be addicted to Identity Politics, in which all decisions are based on personality, label, or other superficial characteristic, but that does not change the fact that when all the superficial identifiers are stripped away one is supporting one model or the other—-and by default, one who hates, attacks and tries to destroy one of those models is a supporter of the other.

      • watsonredux February 16, 2012 / 11:09 pm

        Amy, I have explained more than once that I belonged to the Republican party for many years and am now registered as “no party affiliation.” I don’t believe that either party represents me, and I don’t bother to label myself “liberal” or “conservative.” I think of myself as a moderate. I don’t really care what you call me. Ultimately, all you want to do is name-call, anyway. Here are several things I have advocated right here on B4V in recent days. You figure it out.

        Means Test Medicare Benefits. Over the next 10 years, medical benefits will account for a larger projected increase in the federal budget than any other kind of spending except interest payments on the federal debt. We’re talking about all of you retired B4V folks. Obviously, with the government in debt and all, we simply can’t afford to continue to subsidize your health care costs, so I propose that Medicare benefits be means tested. I would say that wealthy people like NeoClown immediately begin paying a $500 per month premium back to the government, or $6,000 a year. It would be more for people of higher means (if such people exist), less for people of lower means.

        Means Test Social Security Benefits. Beginning immediately, benefits would be means tested. For wealthy people like NeoClown, with substantial additional forms of income from multiple pensions, I’d say a 50% reduction in benefits would be in order. The amount of reduction would be based on other forms of income.

        Cut Federal Retirement Benefits. The government obviously can’t afford the pay retirement benefits at the current rate, so I propose an across the board 10% reduction in all federal retirement benefits. That includes military retirements, spook.

        Make the Alternative Minimum Tax work for rich people like it’s supposed to. The ATM was meant to impose a nearly flat tax rate on people with substantial income so that they can’t dodge federal income taxes. The tax rates are in the range of 26-28%, depending on your filing status, 25% for capital gains, and 20% for corporations. Some people get hit with this, but obviously, it doesn’t quite work entirely, or why else would someone like Mitt Romney, with more than $20 million in income in a single year, pay less than 15% in federal income taxes? So I would fix the ATM to take into account all of a person’s income, not just certain kinds, and force people like Mitt Romney to pay 28% of his income in federal income tax.

        I think an educated and skilled workforce is going to be hugely important to the United States going forward. We are competing with emerging nations that are becoming much more highly educated and skilled themselves. How are we going to do that?

        1. Revise our visa and immigration policy to attract the world’s best talent to to American universities businesses. I want them here, working for us, instead of another nation.

        2. When I was in school, the classes were set up so that the fast learners could go as fast as they could, rather than being held back by the rest of the group. This seems to no longer be the case, I guess because of the idea that we have to be fair to all. I think we’d be better off going back to something like that. Let’s not penalize the fastest and brightest or hold them back. We need them to go as far as they can in order to not only remain competitive on a global basis, but to be a leader.

        3. Provide more vocational training. I have a relative who runs a manufacturing business. He has a difficult time finding skilled workers. No workers eventually means no manufacturing business. We need to provide opportunities to train those workers. Not everyone needs a college education or should go to college. When I was in school, both my junior high and high schools had shop programs. Today, the local schools in my area do not. It makes it hard for young people to even be exposed to the possibility that there are trades and crafts that can provide them with a living.

        4. Revise the federal student loan program. It was well intended to help students without financial means obtain a college education, but it has saddled many students with enormous debt and little means to repay it. Further, the program has been distorted by lower quality educational institutions whose sole objective is to get their hands on government money. The program, in its present form, is doing more harm than good.

      • tiredoflibbs February 16, 2012 / 11:43 pm

        Awww, poor little watty is unhappy being made a fool of again.

        No watty you did not mention volume. That is the point. You readily chirp “stock prices are up, stock prices are up”, but ignore the BIG PICTURE DETAILS. I said volume is down, which reflects the fact that of all of those who invested before are not now, which indicates that they don’t have the income to continue to do so.

        BIG PICTURE watty. Even though you claim not to be a liberal your thinking process and mindless regurgitation are not far off.

      • Amazona February 19, 2012 / 12:57 am

        Peachy. Nice list of goals and dreams and wishes, some of which I agree with.

        And not a single word about the political system you believe is the best way to govern the nation.

  4. tiredoflibbs February 17, 2012 / 11:46 pm

    Moderator please delete the earlier post which was incomplete.

    Awwww, poor watty, you can’t stand simple and logical explanations can you?

    Many other aspects of the economy – leisure travel, home improvement, vacationing, luxury items purchasing and stock investing (outside 401K) – are all DOWN as is the disposable income of many Americans which will purchase/invest in those items.

    Too bad you are such a simple-minded drone to realize so simple of a concept.

    Simple-minded – DEFINITELY reminds me of you.

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