So… Ol’ Joltin’ Joe Biden gets taken out to the woodshed for just forcing poor, hapless, Barack Hussein Obama to come out of his closet for gay marriage–earlier than he had planned…
This announcement was so unplanned, in fact, that merely hours after the announcement was made, I get a fundraising email from the Obama campaign:
Which has a link, that takes you to this: 
Yep… that was no doubt a heartfelt, unplanned, sincere, off-the-cuff, “aw shucks, ya got me” courageous coming out of the closet moment for Barry, wasn’t it?
And “Rufus” is so beside himself-just so— :::sniff::: happy.. brings a tear to your eye, don’t it?
Criminy.
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Liberals are great at politics, but lousy at actual governance. The war on women is another great example of their insincerity and manufactured issues designed to deflect peoples attention away from their abysmal incompetence.
What we are also seeing this election cycle is the the democrats desire to set the clock back 50 years. They long for the union days when hard laborious jobs provided a decent living but stifled any upward mobility. They long for the days when women depended on their generosity and were incapable of providing for themselves, and they long for the days of civil rights abuses and organized marches, so they are doing everything they can to manufacture these issues, all the while hundreds of thousands of people leave the labor force every month and we continue to pay $4 a gallon for gas.
Like GMB said the other day – “good to see they have their priorities straight”
Rush
they had professional posters hanging in campaign hqdrs within hours of Ubomas gay announcement.
NOT planned ahead?
maybe left over from larry’s limo along with the Che posters.
a set up for suckers (donks)
Gay or Che — take your pick
Oh boy – hasn’t been a good week for The One We Have All Been Waiting For:
These are only a few of many reveals in Klein’s book, which makes the case that President Obama is not the political machine that people fear, but an amateur with a messianic complex who is completely out of his depth.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=51433
“They long for the union days when hard laborious jobs provided a decent living but stifled any upward mobility.”- cluelesssincethedayhewasborn
Go look at the kids of Chinese who work in their parents restaurants and tell me that hard laborious jobs stifle upward mobility. Go look at Mexican immigrants building houses who send their kids to UCLA in engineering and tell me about stifling upward mobility. Tell Amazona’s brothers that hard laborious jobs stifle upward mobility. Engineering colleges fight over the kids coming off the farms precisely because their experience doing hard laborious jobs makes them upwardly mobile.
There are literally millions of examples of children of union workers who wound up in the higher ranks of society. That is only a problem for the Mitt Romneys and Joe Bidens of the world. As the lovely Ann Coulter writes in her blistering critique of Joe Biden’s plagiarism of Neil Kinnock
*****The whole point of Kinnock’s speech was to denounce the English class structure, where his grandfather couldn’t get ahead, despite his talents. Thus, Kinnock concluded by saying his parents and grandparents couldn’t advance “because there was no platform upon which they could stand.”
That has never been true in this country. We have no class structure. People do get ahead by being smart and working hard.
The other side of the coin is that those born well are perfectly capable of falling from their perch of privilege, as expressed in the peculiarly American expression: “Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations.” Which is precisely what happened to the Biden family.
According to Vice Plagiarist Biden’s own autobiography, his father was to the manor born. Biden’s grandfather was an executive with the American Oil Co., and his father had all the advantages in life. “My dad,” Biden writes in “Promises to Keep,” “grew up well polished by gentlemanly pursuits. He would ride to the hounds, drive fast, fly airplanes. He knew good clothes, fine horses, the newest dance steps.”
But, in the blunt language of the Vanity Fair election blog, “he pissed away his fortune and Joe and his siblings grew up in a decidedly, and proudly, working-class Catholic home.”
So why was Biden concluding his Kinnock-“inspired” speech with clenched fist, claiming that his family “didn’t have a platform upon which to stand.” The executive offices at the American Oil Co. sound like a pretty good platform.
The problem wasn’t that Biden’s father didn’t have a platform, but that he fell off the platform. Far from sharing Kinnock’s life story, the Biden family would have benefited from a strict British class system that holds up talentless aristocrats while keeping down the talented low-born.
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Stool,
I again am not really sure what you’re saying here, and it might have helped had you shown an concrete example of how unions promote upward mobility amongst their ranks. I wasn’t speaking of the children of union members, I was speaking of the rank and file union members. The other point of my post is that democrats long for the days of manufacturing, when in this new global environment, that’s not really realistic. We have to think broader and look towards new technologies to drive our 21st century economy.
So thanks again for missing the point. You can now return to under educating your students.
I am not sure how many unionized chinese resturaunts there are in this country. I am not sure how many illeagal mexicans house builers are members of unions these days. Not sure how many unionized farmres/ranchers there are these days.
I would wager very few if any,
Other than that Bardolf could you please tell us what you are railing against.?
“That has never been true in this country. We have no class structure. People do get ahead by being smart and working hard.”
How very true, But again Barddolf, what are you rebelling against?
But again Barddolf, what are you rebelling against?
well he is married and has a daughter-woks in academia……..most likely against rebels against feminazis,while himself being a new castrodi……
somewhere buried within there is a real man that wants to swig beer, cuss like a sailor, work on construction sites, ride a Harley, be a former Marine.
sadly he will have to live his life vicariously through men like me….. 🙂
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Regarding class structure: While the rabidly radical Left is working overtime to create the illusion of class structure, to support their frantic need to create class warfare, I have come to the belief that the United States could well be headed toward a nearly feudal system within a generation or two.
From a nation in which all children could receive a good education, in a land of opportunity, we have slid into a death spiral of public education sending out graduates who cannot read, write or do basic math, who are fit for little but robotic chores like punching data into cash registers which hand them correct change. or performing other jobs which do not depend on intelligence and education and knowledge (and no, that is not redundant—education and knowledge are not the same).
This means that the upper tier of the work force will be limited to the few who manage to receive good educations, probably through home schooling and/or private schools, creating a small tier of concentrated skill and a large body of drone-like workers.
If this happens in a political climate of antipathy toward capitalism, including the stifling of small business creation by such means as “regulating” lending and “regulating” various aspects of business management and production, the chasm will not only be wider but harder to cross.
clueless
I’m done with classes for the semester thanks.
“democrats long for the days of manufacturing, when in this new global environment, that’s not really realistic”
Oh, that was your point. So make, mine, build is passed its prime, gotcha. I don’t know what you do all day, but not everyone can be a gas station attendant or professor or AC repairman. We can’t all be Mitt Romney, waiting for someone’s company to hit a rough patch and come in and tear it to pieces for the profitable organs.
@GMB
I was arguing that having a stable job may not get you into high society, but it is a step on a ladder. The notion that lots of people can jump from the bottom to the top of society in 1 generation is a pipe dream. One can move from poor to middle class with hard work alone, the upper echelons require a couple generations or winning the lottery.
Having a lower middle class union job with stability is much different than a minimum wage job plus government handouts. I don’t understand why people dislike the idea that a group of people have some job stability. I understand not liking people who aren’t working. I understand liking to pay as little as possible for consumer purchases. I understand the theory of why unions are bad. But there is an envy which goes beyond those things.
I just don’t understand why so many in the GOP believes the idea that people who work for an employer automatically forfeit any notion of job security while the employers themselves have security in the form of government assurances.
We can’t all be Mitt Romney, waiting for someone’s company to hit a rough patch and come in and tear it to pieces for the profitable organs.
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is that what doctors do with organ transplants dolf?
how does that work out?
baldork
One can move from poor to middle class with hard work alone, the upper echelons require a couple generations or winning the lottery.
I’ll tell that to FOUR of my self made millionaire friends, they will be pissed to hear that they were wrong.
The money must have fallen out of the sky and landed in their accounts while they were sleeping off a hangover.
Bardolf,
Its a known fact that social mobility in our nation is quite low when compared to other advanced countries.
The right wing nutjobs however don’t want to admit it, or even acknowledge it.
neo claims that he has millionaire friends….kind of similar to Amazona….interestingly enough, they both blog on this site non stop 7 days a week….and yet, they have millionaire friends…..
Neo, tell us, what do you do for a living that allows you to post non stop all day everyday…???
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jimmah
Own a construction company, semi retired, have a PC in my office, a laptop for job sites, my Droid 4G, Im never to far away to take a few minutes to B slap morons from iran.
neocon1 May 11, 2012 at 2:53 pm #
BFD, i came out of the closet to my family last night. I don’t care what they think!
cute, posting under some one elses nic.
so you are projecting your gayness on to me jimmah-sasan.
or was that the cross dressing closet you were projecting on to me?
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jimmah
you have been outed……
so you being from iran makes me a raaaacist?
HUH??
hey if the burka fits o wear it or was that the turban? (not wind)
“James” you are finally wandering a little closer to the truth. Yes, I do count some millionaires as friends. Not the billionaires (with a B) who were neighbors in Wyoming, but average garden variety millionaires. But you have it backwards. I have some friends who happen to be millionaires.
Which is not that big a deal. I happen to he involved in two businesses in which millionaires are pretty common so I associate professionally with people of means. Big deal. We’re friends. Big deal. I don’t judge them by their income and I doubt that they apply such superficial judgments to me. People of quality don’t use income to judge people.
As for why I can blog during the day, well, when you own your own businesses, and have an iPad, and need to check into email several times a day, it is no big deal to drop in on the blog. Some days I don’t stop by at all, some days I am at my desk all day and while waiting for phone calls to be returned or in between other business tasks I check out the blog.
BTW, I also own my own computers, so I can blog on weekends, quite unlike so many of the PL trolls here, who not only have to blog from work but who are, speaking as an employer, stealing from their employers by being paid for work not done while they are emoting online. I have blogged from several states, from my car and my truck, from airports, and from both of my houses. I have blogged while in my barn, waiting in a doctor’s office, and in general have enjoyed the freedom of the iPad when it comes to keeping in touch online.
“James” I was visiting with some friends last night and showed them your silly angry comment, and the question came up—how do you define “millionaire”?
Clearly your own financial status is so low that you see this category as rare, exotic, and unlikely. But as we talked, I realized that by some criteria a LOT of my friends are millionaires—-and so am I.
So—-how do YOU define the term? Income? Gross or net? Investments? Other assets?
I have friends who both worked for a few years, then she stayed home with the kids till they were in high school, then went back to work, and both work now. He made good money, nothing spectacular, and because she was on the Mommy Track she did not go for a long-term career and the money that would go with it. He is an insurance agent, who now owns his own small agency, and she is and has been a travel agent, who now works with a friend who is an event planner. Their combined incomes make them solidly middle to upper middle class. Again, that depends on who is doing the defining of terms.
When they got married they bought a nice house but one well within their income. They moved once, to a bigger house, and paid it off in 15 years. They lived, and live, well but frugally. They had a 30-year mortgage, for the lower interest rate, but made double and sometimes triple principle payments, and they put a minimum of 10 per cent of their net income into savings and investments. Their house is very nice, but not extravagant, and they have spent many weekends over the last twenty or so years fixing it up, doing the work themselves, so it is really lovely, with a wonderful yard and garden, koi pond, etc. Their work has probably doubled the value of the house.
They are millionaires. Even in this market, the house has significant value, and their 30 years of saving and investing has built up a nice portfolio. Their only debt is their only extravagance—what might be called a luxury car, and their trade-in brought the monthly payments down to a very affordable number.
If you factor in their assets, their real estate and their investments, they are millionaires. This is not unusual, for people who don’t spend every penny as soon as it comes in and rack up tons of debt.
I’ll bet neo is a millionaire, what with his business value, the vehicles and equipment he owns to tun it, the equity in his house, and his financial assets.
Your constant references to “millionaires” as if they are rare and move in exalted circles of society is simply a reflection of your own ignorance and lack of exposure to people who have created relative wealth.
I think someone wrote a book called “The Millionaire Next Door”. During the Bush years, the number of millionaires skyrocketed, and millions of other people moved upward from lower to middle class, economically.
If we did not insist on importing poor people, the poverty level would have been dramatically lower, back when there were jobs.
I see dolf is whingeing again—-and no, using this term does NOT mean I am pretending to be a British subject.
“I don’t understand why people dislike the idea that a group of people have some job stability.”
Well, you clearly also fail to understand that job security has to be EARNED, just like income is earned, by merit. Unions guarantee job security merely by existing, whereas in the real world it is gained by being productive and of value to the employer.
Is that really so hard to understand?
“I just don’t understand why so many in the GOP believes (sic) the idea that people who work for an employer automatically forfeit any notion of job security while the employers themselves have security in the form of government assurances.”
Maybe this is tied into the inability to understand something that does not exist. You can BELIEVE in it, obviously, but you can’t UNDERSTAND it, because it is a fantasy.
First, the GOP, and the political ideology of believing that the nation should be governed according to the Constitution, which are not one and the same thing by the way, have nothing to do with a belief that people “.. automatically forfeit any notion of job security..” What an odd and bizarre comment. Do you really believe this, or is it just another of your spontaneous brain farts that explode out of you, stink of the place, and then fade into oblivion?
I think the problem is that you got your syntax all fouled up. What you obviously meant to say, if you wanted your statement to make any sense at all, was “….. forfeit any notion of automatic and guaranteed job security regardless of skill, performance or merit…”
And yeah, a lot of people are in favor of eliminating what you so blithely dismiss as mere “job security”.
….while the employers themselves have security in the form of government assurances.”
Oh, dear, dolf, you are off the rails again. Your fantasy life is obviously quite elaborate, but unfortunately quite unrelated to reality.
Perhaps you might spend some time catching up on the reality of the fact that something like 70% of the economy is driven by small business, and that these “government assurances” that seem to fret you so are thin on the ground, reserved for political favors, and hardly of comfort to the millions of small businessmen and women who have seen their livelihoods destroyed and their businesses sucked under in the riptide of economic disaster that IS Leftist economic theory.
I have been in your little town on the staked plains of the Southwest, I have friends who live there, and I know that your disconnect with reality, and with reason, are not due to the cultural nature of your environment, which might be the case if you lived in San Francisco. I think you’re just plain goofy.
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neocon1 May 11, 2012 at 2:54 pm #
James,
Are you saying that the country that has created the highest standard of living for all of it’s citizens, and one that has created the greatest amount of wealth, has the lowest rate of upward mobility? Did you think that one through sport?
Barstool,
Without saying the obvious, but with you I guess I have to – were you aware that making, mining and building can be done non-unionized? Or did that fact enter into your thought process?
In 2011, the union membership rate–the percent of wage and salary workers who
were members of a union–was 11.8 percent,
-Black workers were more likely to be union members than were white,
Asian, or Hispanic workers
RUT RO……
HOLDER SUES SHERIFF JOE…
‘Clean your own house, before you come trying to clean mine’…
Sheriff Joe demands Obama draft registration…
time to resurrect tra von…….
Ubomas Utopia
Don’t cry for Auntie Zeituni
Howie Carr By Howie Carr
Friday, May 11, 2012 –
Auntie Zeitunibill ayers has written (another Uboma) a book. It’s called “Tears of Abuse,” on account of how tough she’s had it.Have I read it? Of course not. Have you read her nephew’s best-seller — Dreams from My Ghostwriter, I mean Father? No one has — it’s sold millions of copies, but until two weeks ago, not a single reader got far enough into it to learn that Obama was a dog-eater with “composite” girlfriends.
Anyway, I have the press release on “Tears of Abuse,” which describes Auntie Zeituni’s journey to the United States “where she faces the unthinkable; failing health and quarantined in a hospital while on vacation in a foreign country.”
Vacation? Surely she meant to say “welfare.”
“As her story unfolds she becomes a resident of (a) homeless shelter and a subject of deportation.”
How dare they! Just because she’s an illegal alien, they want to deport her.
Have they forgotten the immortal words of Marsha Coakley: “Technically it is not illegal to be illegal in Massachusetts.”
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20220511dont_cry_for_auntie_zeituni/srvc=home%26position=1
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why doesnt she move into the white hut with the Mooches grifter mother? on OPM.
I mean the whole tribe could live there.
for ONCE I agree with slic……..
Bill blockbuster: O’s an ‘amateur’
jimmah
@maybe you’re just an idiot on this blog.
I believe YOU hold that position in spades.
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http://moneyland.time.com/2012/01/05/the-loss-of-upward-mobility-in-the-u-s/
he trend, long a lament of the left, is now being noted on the right. Rick Santorum warned that movement “up into the middle income is actually greater, the mobility in Europe, than it is in America.” National Review wrote that “most Western European and English-speaking nations have higher rates of mobility.” Rep. Paul D. Ryan (R-Wisc.) recently wrote that “mobility from the very bottom up” is “where the United States lags behind.”
I can go on and on with articles and facts about the lack of social mobility. just because we have wealth in the hands of a few people, doesn’t mean we are socially mobile. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
liar liar
http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=21317291&source=GBTV
So a few a Time opinion article based on the assertion of a few politicians is now fact. And when you, of all people start quoting Santorum, and I had to check and see if hell froze over.
Let’s just say that the fact that a half black kid raised by a single mother in a below-middle class economic household grew up to become President, somewhat refutes those assertions.
Why are liberals always “glass half-empty” kind of people?
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Trayvon Martin Gun Range Targets Reportedly Sold Online
I’ll take 2 , 10 of al, and 100 of shabazzbebop.
je$$e? nah!
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Wow, after a rare moment of honesty, you go back to lying. Go ahead, check the blogsforvictory Gmail account. You will find incontrovertible proof that I am right and you are, of course, lying; I send it to you ever time you lie just to confirm your habitual dishonesty. Are you afraid of the truth?
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Does anyone have any doubt whatever that this whole charade was not a setup meant curry favor with the homosexual community? Come on folks get real here.
P.S. I am very sorry for going on topic here. It won’t happen again. ;P
Does anyone have any doubt whatever that this whole charade was not a setup meant curry favor with the homosexual community?
Homosexuals account for around 2% of the population but 1/6 of ObiOne’s campaign donations.
Two Million in one day, not bad at all. Just think of what a homeless shelter could do with two million. Naw, that would not help re-elect barky.
Also OT, but Carroll Shelby Rest in Peace.
Great job Peter Schweizer! This is a must read transcript and must see video. A great example of the annoying parasites at MSNBC, how a classy conservative responds, and why liberals will lose in November.
Doh!
http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/05/11/peter-schweizer-politely-kos-condescending-msnbc-contributors-krystal
This is priceless:
PIERS MORGAN, HOST: Finally, Rob, you’re obviously a movie man. George Clooney put on the event at his house last night. Whenever I see George Clooney, I always get a sneaking feeling that we may one day be considering him as a serious candidate for president. What do you think?
ROB REINER: Well, I don’t know what his thoughts about that are, but I knew, I do know that if he ever decides to run for elected office, he’d be terrific. I mean, he is obviously very articulate, knowledgeable. He is very passionate about issues and he does walk the walk. I mean, you saw what happened in his being arrested with his father in Washington.
Clooney has never held elected office, has never managed any complicated business, yet Morgan thinks that he would make a great President. Clooney is even less experienced than Obama. Evidently the democrats new standard for office is how good looking and how articulate the are. Maybe they should just have an American Idol type contest for their primaries.
“Maybe they should just have an American Idol type contest for their primaries.”
Instead of just limiting it to their election decisions?
Speaking of American Idol – all three of the kids left are extremely talented. Phillip Phillips could have an amazing career. He reminds me a little of both Sting and Dave Matthews.
This is great:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/05/11/our_lady_liberty_time_cover
Hysterical. That is precisely the way Conservatives need to use the Alinsky tactic of ridicule against Progressives, and Rush is a pro at it.
OT, but for those with too much time on their hands, here’s a really fascinating read
And then I got down to this part:
The Family of Obama and the CIA
And this:
That bolded part would certainly explain why there is no passport record of flights to or from Kenya in the summer of 1961.
Obama’s past life may not exactly be an open book. but, for anyone who wants to dig, it’s pretty clear that he’s not what many of his unquestioning supporters think he is. It’s also pretty clear that the ranks of “unquestioning supporters” is rapidly dwindling.
There is still a lot more of what we don’t know about Obama, then what we do know. I find it really strange that none of his “close friends” from his past have been identified. I mean who doesn’t have close friends from grade school or high school or even college that they still stay in regular contact with? Who doesn’t have past love interests that got away? Yet none of these people seem to exist with Obama – really strange.
, a nagging question remains: Is Barack Obama a real-life “Manchurian Candidate?”
YES——YES———YES!!!!!
I have blogged while in my barn, waiting in a doctor’s office, and in general have enjoyed the freedom of the iPad when it comes to keeping in touch online.- Amazona
I finally bought an iPad this last January and aren’t they great? Tremendous tool.
I take mine everywhere, and between it and the nav systems in my car and truck I save so much time—I pull over, look up a business or whatever I need, get the address, punch it in, and off I go. I have no down time, at the DMV or the doctor’s office or wherever. I have an HP notebook, but it is so much slower than the iPad I never use it any more.
I thought it would be a luxury, but it has, as you said, been a valuable tool. Just yesterday, meeting with an engineer to go over construction necessary for my new business, I used it to pull up photos of equipment I saw in Florida and how it is installed, and web sites for that equipment, to get specs, as well as to lay out the plan for drainage, etc.
Our people in the field are outfitted with iPads, and instead of writing down notes, etc. they enter them and they are sent to the office.
My PC has been acting up, and this time instead of waiting for one to die, I brought home a new Apple desktop, as the other business office has switched to Apple and I need to get in tune with it. I had one before and hated it, but I realize I need to make the change
So I was reading my Bible this morning and came across Deuteronomy 22, in which verses 13-21 describe the requirement that a bride be a virgin. Here are verses 20-21 (New International Version):
So maybe one of you Biblical scholars can interpret this for me. Are we to literally stone her to death, or is this meant metaphorically? Or maybe the woman’s virginity is metaphorical? I haven’t noticed many women being stoned to death lately–at least here in the United States–so either we have a lot of virgins (and you all should stop complaining about the preponderance of premarital sex) or the world has already gone to hell. Heck, one of my Bible thumping friends married not one, but two women who weren’t virgins! Sheesh! Jeremiah, if you can suspend fantasizing about Amazona long enough to compose a response, let us hear from you.
Reading your bible this morning? Ummmm right, whatever. Sure, if you are without guilt, go ahead and cast the stone. Thats in the bible too.
Keep reading.
Funny, isn’t it, how the anti-religious bigots always have to go back to pre-Christian scripture to find something to squeal about?
What do you think” Is this just a dishonest demagogic tactic, or are they really that bone-deep ignorant of even the most basic definition of Christianity?
Not that the two are mutually exclusive…….
And what is it about Jeremiah liking me that bugs you so? Does that shatter your own fantasies?
Okay, three replies so far, none of which address my question. You guys are nothing if not predictable. Keep trying.
And you are nothing if not ignorant on this subject. I could quote you the actual verse in the new testament that deals with this subject. I won’t. Read it yourself and you will find the answer.
Let he who is without guilt, cast the first stone.
What is so hard to understand about that?
Oh, wattle, your clumsy effort to generate a ‘gotcha’ are just so juvenile. You seem quite impressed with it, but give it a rest. You are proving nothing but that you have to scramble to try to find something upon which to base your blind and hateful bigotry.
Oh, and your stupidity. If Christians chose to follow the Old Testament, they wouldn’t be CHRISTIANS, would they? Christ being the dividing line between Old and New Testaments and all that.
Go find yourself someone who, first, rejects Christ but who believes in following the Old Testament, word for word, literally, and drag out your infantile effort at trickery on him.
And then figure out just which “question” you are squealing about—the literalness of the term “virgin” or whether non-virgins should be pelted with stones till they die or whether the stoning is just a metaphor for some other form of chastisement or if there are too many virgins or if the rule only applies to women preparing to get married or women still living with their fathers or women still living with their fathers getting ready to get married in Israel or women who lose their virginity in Israel or ??????????
It’s not our fault you don’t make sense, or that you have this weird snickery tittery way of pretending to be cute.
And my comment on your obsession with Jeremiah (or me, who knows?) had nothing at all to do with your incoherent silliness but was just a comment on how pathetic you are.
So maybe one of you Biblical scholars can interpret this for me – Watson
I think you ought to take your wife out and stone her to death Watson. That might be the answer your looking for.
Watson,
I believe you’ll have to address your question to someone who is Jewish, as most of us here only use the old testament for historical reference. I recall someone here mentioning that Matt is Jewish, although I don’t know that for a fact. If he is, perhaps he can answer your question.
The guy across the street from me was arrested last year for stoning his oldest daughter because she was raped. But the family is Muslim — does that count?
Nah, Muslims get a pass on everything.
It’s called “diversity” and it’s the Scripture of the Left.
I notice that the wattle isn’t up to even figuring out what his own question was supposed to be.
Okay, so the best answer so far is that the Old Testament is merely reference. Does that mean that the creation stories are nothing but reference? If so, why do certain Christians get hung up on determining the age of the Earth based on the creation stories?
What about the Ten Commandments? Merely reference? (That could explain a lot.)
Who decides which parts of the Bible are to be taken literally or as “reference”? Are God’s literal words, or merely reference? There seems to be diverging points of view among the various Christian denominations. Who is correct? How do you even know? Is it a matter of interpretation or what?
Oh, and more name-calling for Amazona. You’re so mature.
Spook had a really good answer for you Watson. What about that answer don’t you understand? Of course I thought my advice was sound too.
cluster, if you read my response–do you ever actually read before responding?–you would see that I agreed that Spook’s response was the best. But it merely leads to other questions, which I then asked.
If you are up to addressing the questions, please do. I haven’t ridiculed anyone’s reading of the Bible, and I won’t. I have asked legitimate questions, which have mostly been met with ridicule by and your pals. Perhaps you can do better, if you’re up to it.
And waiting for Matt to respond is silly because he never responds to anything. You know that as well as I do.
Watson, the Old Testament stands unless the the Tew Testament teachings have changed, and yes the New Testament has changed in teaching quiet a bit.
You could read the whole thing instead of just going with a talking point you heard somewhere else.
Not holding my breath.
Watson, i am not an overly religious person but know enough to know that you really don’t understand Faith. There are many parables in the Bible and Jesus’s influence and message: ie; the new testament is considered the “evolved” doctrine. Liberals understand “evolving” right? Think of it this way – before Obama was opposed to same sex marriage, but then evolved and now supports it. In the old testament, harsher actions were considered, but then Christians evolved and now no longer consider such actions. Surely you can understand that.
Here’s another analogy – liberals care very much for the poor so they decided to create a lot more of them – oh wait, that doesn’t work. Anyway, you really thought you had something here, but having been on this thread a long time, I have seen you bring up this juvenile issue on other occasions, so nice try, but you might try and evolve – isn’t that a fun word?
….you would see that I agreed that Spook’s response was the best. But it merely leads to other questions, which I then asked. – Watson
No it doesn’t. If you actually understood Faith, that answer was complete. Only in the hollow head of a liberal does that answer not resonate.
watson, you have still not answered MY question, which is, what is YOUR question?
You bring in an Old Testament quote, and ask if we can interpret it. But which part? It is about stoning a woman who is not a virgin, before her marriage, who has shamed her father’s house and Israel. Then you, yourself, introduce the possibility of metaphorical meaning to the quote you yourself cite: “Are we to literally stone her to death, or is this meant metaphorically? Or maybe the woman’s virginity is metaphorical?”
So your post is a muddle of questions, kinda-questions, and no direction about which question you are now fretting about with such emotion. And setting yourself up as someone of such importance that others are obligated to jump when you whistle, or you call them cowards for not doing so.
So, what is your question? Is it, as you yourself asked, that the reference to virginity is really a metaphorical reference to metaphorical virginity? (Whatever that might be—it’s YOUR comment.) Is it that the stoning of the possibly metaphorical virgin is also, in itself, a metaphor? Are you asking if a woman with a ruptured hymen should have been pelted with rocks till she died, or are you asking if some kind of discipline or punishment (metaphorical stoning) should have been administered to a woman who has somehow conveyed some lack of some desired purity or good behavior (metaphorical virginity)?
If the answer you so stridently demand, in what is rapidly becoming a LOOKATMELOOKATMELOOKATME temper tantrum, is not metaphorical at all, but you just threw that in to muddy the water, then are you asking if a woman should should have been pelted with stones for losing her virginity in Israel several thousand years ago?
Because this is nothing but a foolish, infantile game. You are bringing up a quote from a religion practiced by none here, a quote which you yourself seem to find confusing at best and possibly a complete metaphor, citing the religious law of a land not our own, and then pitching a hissy fit because no one is willing to play your childish game.
I only take the time to write this because in its own way it is such a perfect example of the inanity of the rabidly radical Pseudo Left, which is totally dependent on emotion, and which is so deficient in actual political knowledge that it has to depend on dragging in irrelevant quotes from religious not political sources, and then frantically trying to shift attention HERE and away from the true ideology that has led us to the true mess we are in.
The United States of America is not in the mess it’s in today because many thousands of years ago someone wrote something in (probably) Aramic, which was translated into another language which was translated into another language which was translated into another language which was translated into another language which represents a many-times revised account of what someone thought God said to people of another religion in another country, and now you can’t sleep because you don’t know what it means.
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If you want an archaic passage from the Old Testament interpreted, why are you pestering people on a political blog in the 21st Century?
You simply make no sense.
“Okay, so the best answer so far is that the Old Testament is merely reference. Does that mean that the creation stories are nothing but reference? If so, why do certain Christians get hung up on determining the age of the Earth based on the creation stories?
What about the Ten Commandments? Merely reference? (That could explain a lot.)
Who decides which parts of the Bible are to be taken literally or as “reference”? Are God’s literal words, or merely reference? There seems to be diverging points of view among the various Christian denominations. Who is correct? How do you even know? Is it a matter of interpretation or what?”
More to the point, why do you care? You are clearly not a Christian. you clearly despise and scorn those who are, and you clearly think you can somehow score some devastating hit upon those who are with questions that don’t even rise to the level of an average sixth grade Catholic catechism class.
Why does this obsess you? What difference does it make to YOU if someone believes in a literal meaning of both Old and New Testaments, or in their messages as metaphors, or whatever?
This blog is not about the faith-based belief system that is centered on a Supreme Being whose words and wishes are contained in a book called the Bible.
But it is, in part, about a faith-based belief system that is centered on a Supreme Being which is the State, whose dogma is contained in many writings and volumes including Das Kapital and Mein Kampf, so why don’t we talk about the faith-based belief system that is actually relevant to this blog and leave the Bible-based discussions to a more relevant forum?
When a belief in the age of the planet is affecting the way our nation is governed, or the application of the rule of Constitutional law, then maybe, MAYBE, we can get back to this here. But even then all that could be said would be “You believe this and I think that makes you stupid” so probably not even then.
Watson,
The laws concerning playing the whore, and rape, during ancient times, such as those in Israel brought with them strict penalties. This was so that criminal actions, such as murder, rape, incest, and the like would be a very uncommon things.
Sin in general, during ancient times, had to be atoned for through the sacrifice of animals, such as bulls and goats. This is before Christ came. People did not have firm direction during these times except for those whom were called, or chosen by the Lord God to lead His people – One good example being Moses, who was chosen by the Lord God to lead His people into the Promised land. The interesting thing, is that God tested Israel’s faith before He would finally allow them access into the Promised land, and they grumbled and complained while they were in the desert wilderness on their way to the Promised land, many of them began to doubt and worry because there was no food or water.
Moses became so angry at their grumblings and perversities that God told Moses, “speak ye unto the rock,” but Moses, instead of speaking to the rock, smote the rock, twice, with his staff…and water came pouring out of the rock. At night, the dew fell, and God caused the dew to turn into bread, or “manna” as the Bible says, God made manna fall from heaven.
Because Moses became angry with God, and smote the rock, He was not allowed into the Promised land, he was, however, allowed to go and see it from the mountain top.
Israel had to suffer a lot, because God would bless them, but then turn their back on Him. They rejected Christ, and they still reject Him today, because they think that atonement for sin can be brought through the old customs, or law-in a physical manner, through the work of their own hands.
When Christ came, a new day dawned on Israel, and the entire world. Way down the river Jordan, John the Baptist, a wild, beastly looking man, with his long hair and beard, and tattered clothes while baptizing, said “I baptize you with water for repentance but after me comes a man whose sandals I am unworthy to carry; he will baptize you with the Holy Ghost and fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire” Matthew 3:11-12 … and so along came Jesus, from Galilee and John introduced Him to the people Israel, the man Jesus, by saying “Behold! The Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world!”
Imagine that?!!? 400 years of darkness, and burst upon the scene was the Sun of righteousness. Jesus was and is that “Day Star”
Malachi 4:2 – But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Jesus fulfilled this prophecy with his first coming and His words became life giving Gospel that brought light and illumination to those under the oppression of the dark lord of this world.
watstooge
IF you were reading the OLD TESTAMENT you would realize that was the OLD Jewish law.
Christ FULFILLED the law so we are no longer living under it. we are living under the period of GRACE the NEW testament.
the OT is currently used for historical purpose only.
but hey makes good BS from some atheist AH
Psalm 109:8
Uh oh ……..
In a world weary of war and economic crises, and concerned about global climate change, the consensus is that Obama has not lived up to the lofty expectations that surrounded his 2008 election and Nobel Peace Prize a year later
What? You mean the seas haven’t receded and the planet hasn’t healed? Well look at this way, Michelle has been on some awesome vacations.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_WORLD_VIEW?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-05-12-02-30-29
Maybe next time they ought to wait till someone has actually DONE something before awarding this prize, instead of basing it on what they HOPE he might do.
That was one of the goofiest things I ever saw, and it permanently destroyed any respect I might ever have had for the Nobel Prize—though Krugman’s started some significant erosion.
What? You can’t tax your way out of this problem? C’mon – thankfully California is home to all those rich Hollywood liberals who will no doubt send in whatever money is needed to shore up the deficit. Lord knows how much they care.
I thought they were trying to spend their way out of the problem…..
I know the princess is…… 🙂
say it aint so ……….
Kenyan Muslim leaders blast gay marriage stance…
Ubomas daddy and tra vons grand father?
Dreams from an anti-colonialist father
It is difficult to understand what truly moves the president without understanding who his father was.Part One
The Fiction and Non Fiction of Obama | Glenn Beck In his book, “The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” Dinesh D’Souza described in painstaking detail,
an unsavory character who womanized, abused, drank excessively (killing a man in one drunk-driving incident, losing both of his legs in another, and later killing himself in yet another), abandoned his eight children at various points in their lives, married thrice without ever divorcing his previous wives, and advocated taxing income at a 100% rate. Unbelievably, the man described is not a work of fiction. He was President Barack Obama’s father.
Poor Barry—he is learning the pitfalls and Unintended Consequences of Identity Politics.
He needs votes so he appeals to black Americans to vote for him, playing upon their emotions, whether they simply be pride in having a black president or glee in anticipating their black president finally getting revenge on Whitey or whatever.
But then he gets into appealing to his rabidly anti-religious base, by going after Christianity and freedom of religion. He might think that if he doesn’t go after Baptists he won’t alienate his Christian black following, but the escalation into sneering at the Old Testament, clearly seen as a preliminary attack on Christianity itself, will take care of that.
He plays the Gay Card, which is silly, because he already has radical gay activists and other gay demographics on his side—but most voting black people are pretty socially conservative, and don’t approve of the gay lifestyle.
He’s gone after what is called “the Latino vote” by trying to get Latinos to identify non-Latinos (or at least Constitutionally-oriented non-Latinos) as “enemies” and then calling upon them to attack these enemies—but the cultural background of most Latinos is Catholic and not very open to homosexuality.
In other words, Obama is all about Identity Politics, which puts him in the position of identifying and isolating different groups of people according to identity and then trying to appeal to each group separately, in spite of the fact that what will appeal to one group will alienate another.
He is setting himself up for an election battle which will pit his Identity Politics against Ideology Politics, and there he has the distinct disadvantage of representing an ideology which, when explained, will turn off way too many Americans to let him get back into the White House.
The ‘bribe’ to silence Wright
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/the_bribe_to_silence_wright_io9jneobl3fUF0cb7LpcNM
Finally something I agree with……..
Newsweek Cover Declares Obama ‘The First Gay President’
WOW….Two agreements in one day
Explosive New Book: Bill Clinton Thought Obama an ‘Amateur,’ Urged Hillary to Quit and Run in 2012
Politics
“Doesn’t know how to be president” and is “incompetent.”
Mom of Murdered Obama Gay Lover Speaks Up
Donald Young
In late May, Wash. DC-based investigative journalist Wayne Madsen had a bombshell revelation about Obama’s membership in a Chicago gay club, Man’s Country. Madsen also reported on Obama’s sexual relationships with other men, including named D.C. politicians and Donald Young, the openly-gay choir-director of the church in Chicago of which Obama was a member for some 20 years — Jeremy Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ black liberation theology. Obama’s relationship with Young was confirmed by Larry Sinclair, who claims to have had two sex-cocaine trysts with Obama.