The Impending Implosion

The American Progressive movement is soon to collapse upon itself and we can
probably expect the self destruction to be loud and messy – there are signs of it already — everywhere.  The brain trust at MSNBC are getting more shrill by the day, as evidenced by Al Sharpton’s recent tirade; Elizabeth Warren appears poised to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory due to a convenient lie told to further her liberal cred and career; Obama is now known to have told a similar lie to further his standing in the progressive movement including his recent endorsement of same sex marriage; Obamacare is most likely to lose in the SC, as is their lawsuit against AZ; even some democrats are now opposing the incessant attacks on private equity; the “war on women” has gone no where; and now they find themselves the subject of 42 lawsuits on behalf of a very powerful institution in the name of the Catholic Church, and these are just some of the current troubles confronting this regime. Add to that the Euro crisis, the Egypt thing isn’t turning out well and oh yeah, there’s that economy thing, and we’ve got the makings of the perfect storm

Scott Walker winning in WI will hopefully be the beginning of the end for progressives, culminating in November, and most likely we can expect an all out assault on conservatives, decency and common sense by the media, the administration, and by their loyalists, ie; OWS, SEIU, AFL-CIO, etc, throughout the summer. I hope Romney stays focused and on message through what portends to be a very vicious campaign, and I hope conservatives will hold him to account to do the necessary things to get us back on track when he wins. This is an important election in not only rescuing the country, but in hopefully “fundamentally transforming” the Democratic Party of Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, into the party of people like Evan Bayh, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford and Joe Manchin, and digging back into the past, people like John Breaux and Sam Nunn. Maybe then we can start getting things done.

Thanks to Cluster for the content of this post.

UPDATE, by Mark Noonan:

Can you say “meltdown”, boys and girls?  From the LA Times:

Artur Davis, one of President Obama’s earliest supporters and a former co-chairman for his presidential campaign, announced Tuesday that he was leaving the Democratic party for good.

In a post published Tuesday on his website, Davis was vague about his future political endeavors, but declared: “If I were to run, it would be as a Republican. And I am in the process of changing my voter registration from Alabama to Virginia, a development which likely does represent a closing of one chapter and perhaps the opening of another.”

Davis, who represented Alabama’s seventh congressional district from 2003 to 2011, was notably the first member of Congress outside of Illinois to endorse then-Sen. Obama’s 2008 presidential bid. And it was Davis who seconded the official nomination of Obama at the 2008 Democratic National Convention…(emphasis added)

This is pretty huge – this is the draggled, rotting, tail-end of “hope and change”.

128 thoughts on “The Impending Implosion

  1. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J May 29, 2012 / 11:21 am

    “The American Progressive movement is soon to collapse upon itself and we can
    probably expect the self destruction to be loud and messy – there are signs of it already — everywhere.”–Cluster.

    If there is one thing I have learned about the dynamic interactions of humans especially in the politics of the United States of America it is this. “All events are portends to the next cycle of rule.”

    I have heard more than once here at this blog that “Liberalism is dying!” Or that the scourge of Progressivism is at an end. These things are always coming but never really do come. They are rallying cries for a group of people who truly do see the changes coming to America and fear them mightily. Health Care Reform can be struck down, Scott Wlaker can remain in the governor’s mansion in Wisconsin, Elizabeth Warren can lose her Senate race, Obama can be drummed out by a landslide and all we Progressives will have to do is wait just as we waited in 1972 and again in 1984 for the voting public to realize that those who espouse “morality” over civil rights to once again default to their normal behavior.

    • Diane Valencen, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H [Journ.], ArF J., M.F. May 29, 2012 / 11:22 am


      I could have made this easier on you by just replying to Cluster, “What ever!”

      • Deena Valzeena ASCID, ETA, BTW, FBO, BOGO, OEM, Ph, WOOF, IONTV (journ) May 29, 2012 / 11:40 am

        Whatever !!!

        Like, you know, like, WHATEVER!!!!

        Because like, you know, we are, like, you know, so cool and all, like demons and stuff, you know, like in HELL!!!!!

        Way cooler than people who, you know, THINK

    • J. R. Babcock May 29, 2012 / 11:43 am

      all we Progressives will have to do is wait just as we waited in 1972 and again in 1984 for the voting public to realize that those who espouse “morality” over civil rights to once again default to their normal behavior.

      I’ll grant you that ideological leftists are, if nothing else, patient, but I sense something different this time around. Throughout most of my life liberals have used an incremental approach to advancing their agenda, perfectly content to retreat when necessary. We have, as Cluster and Retired Spook note, the perfect storm approaching with 60’s radicals entrenched in positions of power, many within this administration, and a couple generations of their offspring engaged in the Occupy movement. Their patience is wearing thin, especially the 60’s group for whom this is the last hurrah. The defeats that they are increasingly likely to suffer this year are not likely to sit well. You could be right that they will just scurry back under their rocks and wait til the next opportunity to subvert our Constitution, but I doubt it.

      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 12:20 pm

        time to flush the liberal communist turd down the toilet of time.

      • GMB May 29, 2012 / 12:25 pm

        The proggies like the forkers are getting impatient. I do not believe they will be happy waiting much longer. They are demanding thier “fair share” of your labor and wealth. They can not allow a conservative victory to roll back anything they have gained.

        A Scott Walker win, a defeat in the Supreme Court over socialized medice, and the ultimate loss of the presidency , will more than likely bring riots in all the donkrat strongholds. How severe is anyones guess.

        Be prepared is the best advice that can be given.

      • Amazona May 29, 2012 / 3:09 pm

        Cav, I do not doubt that you have “time in abundance” as you sound like a high school or early college age person quite smitten with his newfound “knowledge” and eager to strut it in front of those he has determined are less enlightened.

    • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 12:23 pm

      your “brain” on drugs

      calvin emteenth exquiaite AMF, BFD, ARF

      that those who espouse “morality” over civil rights to once again default to their normal behavior.

      a SHIITE sandwich is just that, no matter how much time passes.

      • Amazona May 29, 2012 / 3:07 pm

        Cav, I believe Richard Nixon was always a Republican, and the term “neocon” was coined to describe former liberals who had become conservative.

        I also point out the fallacy in linking the IDENTITY of Republican with the PHILOSOPHY of Constitutional Conservatism, which is the only “conservative” definition that is relevant at this time.

    • Retired Spook May 29, 2012 / 12:24 pm

      They are rallying cries for a group of people who truly do see the changes coming to America and fear them mightily.

      Cav, I’m not sure exactly what kind of changes you’re referring to, but I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a Conservative who fears change that will make the majority of people’s lives better. It’s what the Founders were referring to with the phrase “promote the general welfare”.

      • GMB May 29, 2012 / 12:41 pm

        I have yet to meet a liberal that understands this “promote the general welfare”. Not only do they not under stand the difference between promote and provide, they do not understand that our founding fathers only intendended this clause to only pertain to the powers that were given to the federal government.

        Nothing else.

      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 12:57 pm


        they understand marx, che, mao, pol, hugo
        nothing else.
        (well except Satan who is the father of all those mentioned)

      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 1:00 pm


        the changes the left brings ALWAYS comes through mob rule, chaos, murder and mayhem in the streets followed by mass murder and loss of freedom.

      • GMB May 29, 2012 / 1:07 pm

        All hail king putt!!!

      • Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J May 29, 2012 / 2:19 pm

        And of course what would make the majority of Americans lives better can only be the path of conservatism?

      • Retired Spook May 29, 2012 / 2:32 pm

        And of course what would make the majority of Americans lives better can only be the path of conservatism?

        Well, Cav, let’s look at the Left’s two favorite big government programs that purportedly have made millions of people’s lives better: Social Security and Medicare. We can’t possibly know if, absent those programs, market-based programs would have taken their place, and also made people’s lives better. What we can know is that both programs have unfunded liabilities that far exceed our ability to pay for them as the programs are presently structured. Conservatives, for some time now, have been proposing restructuring options for both programs that would keep them solvent for future generations, and have not only been met with solid resistance from the Left, but no counter proposals. The Left is so used to having Social Security and Medicare as campaign issues, they seem to be oblivious to actually addressing the problems with both programs.

      • Amazona May 29, 2012 / 3:14 pm

        Cav, please explain to me why it is that you, and people like you, are so confused about the difference between federal and state government?

        Conservatives may hold various opinions on various social issues, may have quite strong opinions on things like ending human life for the convenience of another, but the only thing we “FIGHT” is the effort to use the federal government to further social issues.

        Why is this so hard for you people to understand?

        If your state wants to have a welfare program, then vote one in—AT THE STATE LEVEL—where doing so does not violate the Constitution of the United States. It’s not prohibited to the states, as it is at the federal level, so it is OK for the states to do it.

    • Amazona May 29, 2012 / 1:25 pm

      Cav, you mean “we Progressives” who can’t even explain the core ideology of your movement? THOSE “progressives”?

      Yes, you are one of the dupes who has been suckered in by the allure being able to brand yourself ‘progressive”—-no doubt bolstered by the false paradigm offered by your minders that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is the OPPOSITE of “progressive”.

      Such a handy little tool of emotional manipulation, that. Makes you feel quite smug, doesn’t it?

      And yes, the Left has always had a long-range plan to gradually erode small-government free-market liberty-based governments, using the camel’s nose under the tent type of strategy. But as Spook has pointed out, that was when true ideologues were in charge.

      Now we have a whole generation or two of Pseudo-Libs, ignorant of the core ideology of the movement and just dupes of their minders, who have infiltrated enough of government and academia and taken over the media to feel pretty powerful,and who are ready to finally take over the country.

      And it is these who are going to be bloodied, in a purely figurative sense, by the overwhelming rejection of all that they stand for. Oh, the superficial fluff of “all that they stand for” when limited to beauty-pageant level of wishful thinking (feed the children, heal the sick, save the oceans, etc.) will still be acceptable to some, but the harsh reality of the system and how miserably it fails when it is tried are going to slam the overreaching American Left to the mat.

      And all of those who got suckered in based on their own bigotry are going to claim this defeat is based on bigotry of the victors, projecting their own hyper-emotional allegiance to hyper-emotional causes onto others. Excuses will be made, accusations will be hurled, and based on what we have seen of the rise of old-Left-style thuggery violence will take place.

      Those of us TRAPPED IN HISTORY !!!!!!! have seen it play out over and over again, which is why we can see the patterns developing and see the inevitable outcome.

      • Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J May 29, 2012 / 2:31 pm

        Madam I am a Progressive. I believe in the social safety net. I believe in a woman’s right to choose when or when not she has children. I believe in the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion. I believe in a foreign policy grounded in diplomacy and backed by a strong and capable volunteer military. I believe in liberty for all peoples to determine their own path within the law. I believe in civil rights for all. If America joined me in these things they would never question their exceptionalism again.

      • Cluster May 29, 2012 / 2:55 pm

        I believe in a woman’s right to choose when or when not she has children – Cav

        What about the Father? Does he have any say in the matter?

      • Amazona May 29, 2012 / 3:36 pm

        Cav, you smugly state Madam I am a Progressive . And then you go on to list beliefs, none of which has any relationship at all to the ideology of the Progressive Movement.

        There is the ideology of the movement, which also goes by the names of Liberalism and Socialism and Fascism and lurks on the edge of Communism.

        And then there are issues, which do not define the movement but which are promoted by it, often to lure in people because these issues lend themselves to a sense of moral and intellectual superiority.

        A political ideology is the structure of the movement. It is the blueprint for governance. Abortion and so on are not ideology. They are ISSUES, part of identity but not ideology.

        You know what is so funny about your list? It could be written by any Constitutional Conservative, with only very minor asides.

        I believe in the social safety net.

        So do conservatives. We just believe that not only is this not the responsibility of the federal government, it prohibited to the federal government. This means that various other entities need to step up—state and local governments, private charities and foundations, and churches, as well as individual charity.

        I believe in a woman’s right to choose when or when not she has children.

        So do we. We just do not believe that once a child is conceived it can be killed off because it is inconvenient. We believe a woman has a right not become pregnant, by any means, including sterilization, but that once another life is created its own rights have to be taken into consideration.

        I believe in the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion.

        No quibble there. Believe what you want, including in nothing at all. However, I think you consider “freedom FROM religion” to be a nation in which religion plays no role at all. While no one should be forced into a religious belief, no one should be denied the freedom to express religious belief. Seeing a cross on a hillside or the Ten Commandments on a courthouse lawn is not being forced to believe in Christianity, for example.

        I believe in a foreign policy grounded in diplomacy and backed by a strong and capable volunteer military.

        Add in a conscripted military in case of war, and you’re right on track.

        I believe in liberty for all peoples to determine their own path within the law.

        And so do conservatives. We consider this to be the summation of the Constitution—-the right of self-determination. It is odd that a self-professed “Progressive” would have this philosophy, as Progressivism is a collectivist model, which makes individual liberties subject to the collective, and destroys the free market system (another example of the “… liberty for all peoples to determine their own path within the law..”) in favor of government controls over all aspects of economics and politics and social programs.

        I believe in civil rights for all.

        And so do conservatives. We simply consider all human beings in that belief, not eliminating some on the basis of age, gender, or race.

        See? We agree. We simply disagree on how best to make all these things happen. You apparently, as you call yourself a Progressive, believe that the federal government should be in charge of mandating, implementing and enforcing all these desires, and we know the federal government is prohibited from doing anything other than the enumerated duties assigned to it by the Constitution.

        (By the way, we also want clean air, clean water, and alternative energy options.)

      • Amazona May 29, 2012 / 3:54 pm

        The final decision to be made is to not get pregnant.

        Once pregnancy has occurred, there is no decision other than to murder an innocent human being because it is inconvenient, and to rationalize this based on the age of the human being in question. It is this callous, pathologically selfish, and culturally erosive rationale for one of the most heinous crimes known to man, not merely infanticide but infanticide committed by the mother, that is so deeply repugnant and reprehensible to decent human beings.

        The underlying message of the pro-death apologists is that sex is nothing more than a bump and tickle, just fun, with absolutely no responsibility attached to it. There should be no consideration of consequences, no consideration of anything beyond the immediate gratification of immediate lust.

        It is also demeaning to women, first lowering them to nothing more than creatures of mindless uncontrollable animal appetites, and then further demeaning them by informing them that they simply lack the courage and character to take responsibility for the outcome of their choices, and must be dependent on authority figures to “take care” of their problems for them.

      • Cluster May 29, 2012 / 5:05 pm

        To be sure the father has a say. But the final decision should lie with the one that is pregnant. – Cav

        Well that clears that up ????????

        Expound on this for me please. Example, what if the father wants to keep the baby? Should the mother be obligated provided there is no other health reason to abort?

      • Dvindice June 2, 2012 / 5:18 pm

        To be sure the father has a say. But the final decision should lie with the one that is pregnant. – Cav

        So, all are equal but some are more equal than others?

    • tiredoflibbs May 29, 2012 / 7:51 pm

      Cav, let us know when the echo-chamber known as the Pitchfork goes from practically no participation with comments that are few and far between to the mediocre blog it once was.

      Looking at your pathetic blog and extreme its lack of participation give credence to the subject of this thread.

    • Mark Edward Noonan May 29, 2012 / 8:41 pm


      But it is doomed all the same – even the last hope of the left, the Latino vote, will come cropper for them…at the end of the day, Faith and Family will trump absurd things like the DREAM Act in Latino calculations. Heck, in the post-Obama era (which starts on January 20th) even black Americans might start to drift away from the left…what, after all, does the left offer? Welfare and gay marriage?

      But more fundamentally than that is the fact that the left only lives because of government subsidy, direct or indirect. As the government is broke and will have to cut spending (it isn’t a matter of whether we’ll reduce spending but when: we’ll start it next January of Romney wins, but no later than 2015 if Obama wins because we simply will have no choice) – and the spending which is most likely to be cut (and the tax loopholes most likely to be closed) will be that which benefits the left…all those subsidies and tax breaks which allow liberals to fund their activities largely on the taxpayer’s dime (and public sector unions – about to get trounced in Wisconsin – are no more than taxpayer-funded, Democrat campaign organizations). The left came to power because FDR’s New Deal allowed them to enter government and ensure that leftist groups got a seat at the trough…that seat is about to be taken away and as support for the left runs no more than 20% of the population, they simply will not have the funding necessary to keep up their control of the bureaucracy, the courts, the foundations and education establishment.

      An alien, un-American force is about to be removed from power in the United States. Even if Obama wins, the death knell for the left has already been sounded…

      • Amazona May 29, 2012 / 8:51 pm

        Has anyone noticed that one of the cornerstones of the so-called “Dream Act” is earning citizenship by serving honorably in the military?

        What a good idea! Which is why we have been doing it for quite some time now.

        The key word is EARNING. Not falling into citizenship by being born here to parents whose nationality and loyalty are to another country, not by cheating and sneaking across the border, not merely by BEING here for a certain length of time, but by EARNING it, swearing allegiance to this nation and serving this nation and risking your life for this nation.

      • Amazona May 30, 2012 / 5:26 am

        Dave, it’s quite funny to see how quickly you abandon your temporary attempt to pose as a political pundit and expose your real self.

        Your irrational loathing of what you seem to consider “the right” is really quite comical. “Tax cuts for millionaires”!!!!!!! Ooooooh!!! Of course it’s also tax cuts for the middle class and eliminating taxes at all for many lower middle class and lower class wage earners, but it doesn’t fit into your raging class warfare meme to admit that.

        “Ignorance” ? Well, many more on “the right” can articulate a coherent political philosophy, quite unlike you PL dupes and particularly unlike you, who can’t even describe any of the myriad of different political models you claim exist.

        “Bigotry”? Ah, yes, the fallback position of claiming “bigotry”. This from someone seething with irrational rage and hatred for an Other he can’t define any more than he can define his own supposed political position.

        You can’t even tell us what you think the Left DOES offer, other than gay “marriage” and handouts of OPM.

        Poor poor Dave, so thoroughly outed as nothing more than noise and incoherent fury. Interesting to see you’re not even trying to maintain a facade of political commentary any more, and just going directly to your comfort zone of regurgitating tired old demagogic cliches.

        That didn’t take long……..

      • Mark Edward Noonan May 30, 2012 / 2:58 pm


        A tax cut – even if for millionaires – is still more worthwhile than welfare and gay marriage.

  2. Cluster May 29, 2012 / 1:11 pm

    A recent poll on the pro-life v pro-choice issue I think shows that the American people are coming back around to common sense conservatism and in support of what made America great, which spells trouble for the progressive movement.

    Setbacks in the supreme court on Obamacare, AZ 1070 and a Walker win will also clearly show that this current brand of liberal politics is not setting well with the electorate and as JR said, this will be a huge setback for those 60’s hippies that have been driving this movement for the last decade or two.

  3. Cluster May 29, 2012 / 1:20 pm

    I have heard more than once here at this blog that “Liberalism is dying!” Or that the scourge of Progressivism is at an end. These things are always coming but never really do come.- Cav

    I would say that it is coming to a spectacular and messy end in Greece.

    • Amazona May 29, 2012 / 1:31 pm

      But Liberalism, no matter what you call it, is impossible to completely kill off. Its combination of the warm fuzzy I’d-Like-To-Give-The-Word-A-Hug idealism, its promise of a problem-free Utopia where there is no unfairness, no inequality, and all share everything, is always going to attract the very young and the very brainless. The promise of power will always attract the cold-dyed manipulators who will see the starry-eyed idealists as sheep eager to be herded into flocks large enough to provide enough votes to put them in the seats of power—-where, as Ruling Elites, they can enjoy the perks and luxuries denied to those who fought so hard for collective mediocrity.

      It will rise, it will flourish, it will threaten freedom, and then its fatal flaws will sink it again. It’s a cycle.

      • Retired Spook May 29, 2012 / 1:48 pm

        It will rise, it will flourish, it will threaten freedom, and then its fatal flaws will sink it again. It’s a cycle.

        Amazona, it may be a cycle, but the Left is facing a couple demographics that are likely to weaken or lengthen the cycle. The vast majority of Homosexuals are Lefties who are simply not going to reproduce. The vast majority of abortions are, if not performed on Lefties, are at least performed on people who vote for Lefties. The Left is losing a war of attrition.

      • GMB May 29, 2012 / 1:54 pm

        “The Left is losing a war of attrition.”

        Then would not be in the best interests of the conservative cause to start taking the leftist indoctrination centers away from them. They may be loosing right now now but they are busy building new leftists in our public schools and colleges.

        When you promise people free OPM, the weak will listen.

      • James May 29, 2012 / 3:14 pm
      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 3:18 pm

        Posts by James are now deleted and so are responses to those posts. There is no reason to keep James alive on this blog by referring to him or what he has to say. Just be patient and one of the moderators will take care of it. //Moderator

      • Cluster May 29, 2012 / 3:20 pm

        Posts by James are now deleted and so are responses to those posts. There is no reason to keep James alive on this blog by referring to him or what he has to say. Just be patient and one of the moderators will take care of it. //Moderator

      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 3:37 pm

        why do you want some bunga bunga?

  4. Cluster May 29, 2012 / 2:54 pm

    And of course what would make the majority of Americans lives better can only be the path of conservatism? – Cav

    I think Eleanor Roosevelt said it pretty well –

    It is not fair to ask of others what you are not willing to do yourself.

    • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 3:12 pm

      And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.

      My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

      and that aint OPM at the point of a gun and communism…..

      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 3:14 pm

        calhoun emphisis

        murder the baby
        anal sex
        and OPM

        good platform there calvin.

      • James May 29, 2012 / 3:18 pm
      • GMB May 29, 2012 / 3:21 pm

        Posts by James are now deleted and so are responses to those posts. There is no reason to keep James alive on this blog by referring to him or what he has to say. Just be patient and one of the moderators will take care of it. //Moderator

      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 3:22 pm

        Posts by James are now deleted and so are responses to those posts. There is no reason to keep James alive on this blog by referring to him or what he has to say. Just be patient and one of the moderators will take care of it. //Moderator

      • Cluster May 29, 2012 / 3:23 pm

        I think the wall street donations to Romney are great. Wall street workers are Americans too and do great things for public union pensions and investors every where.

        Let’s talk next week after Walker wins in WI.

      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 3:23 pm

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      • Cluster May 29, 2012 / 3:24 pm

        Posts by James are now deleted and so are responses to those posts. There is no reason to keep James alive on this blog by referring to him or what he has to say. Just be patient and one of the moderators will take care of it. //Moderator

      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 3:26 pm



      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 3:31 pm

        Obama 2012 Campaign Receives More Wall Street Donations Than All GOP Candidates Combined

        As a result, Obama has brought in more money from employees of banks, hedge funds and other financial service companies than all of the GOP candidates combined, according to a Washington Post analysis of contribution data. The numbers show that Obama retains a persistent reservoir of support among Democratic financiers who have backed him since he was an underdog presidential candidate four years ago.

      • GMB May 29, 2012 / 3:33 pm

        I agree with Cluster. The vast majority of Wall Street types are good honest people. The vast majority make thier money legally. Now the mojority of them realize that the were duped into believing the empty suit in the White House.

        I will not even give barky o’chimpy a win in Illinois. The enthusiasm is just not there anymore.

      • neocon1 May 29, 2012 / 3:50 pm

        BuB ByaH jimmah 🙂

  5. Amazona May 29, 2012 / 4:39 pm

    Just curious, Cav—–you claim to be a Progressive, opining at great length on the politics of the United States, yet you appear (according to your own brief profile) to be a resident of both the United Kingdom and Hell.

    It’s hard enough to give even the slightest hint of credibility to someone so deeply invested in such a juvenile fantasy persona (“I am a demon journalist with the distinctive privilege of being the sixth Editor-in-Chief of The Dis Brimstone Daily Pitchfork the most widely circualting daily newspaper in Hell. I and my staff of writers are here to make you think about the First Lives you are living and the Afterlife that is certain to come.” ) but in addition to the fatuous and infantile nature of your chosen identity you appear to have no standing in American politics.

    Though, as a resident of Hell, you ought to have plenty of experience with the results of Leftist political systems…….

    Do you post as an expert in the fatal flaws of the Left? Because if you are not here to bear witness to the hellish miseries of the collectivist political model, you really have no place here.

    Moderator’s note: not to burst anyone’s bubble, but Cavalor and Diane’s posts originate from the same IP address in New Jersey. Hope that puts their posts in perspective.

    • J. R. Babcock May 29, 2012 / 4:48 pm

      LOL! Now we know why certain parts of New Jersey are described as Hell.

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 8:44 am



    • GMB May 29, 2012 / 4:48 pm

      “but in addition to the fatuous and infantile nature of your chosen identity you appear to have no standing in American politics.”

      Leftist, especially the rabid type as the forkers, do not claim citizenship of any particular country. They are “citizens” of the world, thus thier politics apply to all.

      Its not “workers of the world unite” because they have any love for thier own country. The more misery and death they can spread the better.

    • Amazona May 29, 2012 / 6:40 pm

      It’s not as if I ever had any belief in the pretense of these idiots (or this idiot) actually being from the UK. We’ve gone through this before, with the claims of being British supposedly supported by the inclusion of the letter “u” in some words (“honour” and “colour” for example) and a couple of other things lifted from PBS dramas.

      Like the “Canadian” observer and the bogus Norwegian, there are a few empty-headed poseurs who think that pretending to be from other countries gives them gravitas and credentials, but in fact only proves that they are silly twits whose lives are so empty they have to invent lives that sound more interesting.

      I always figured the UK address was as legitimate as the one in Hell, and as the list of random letters strung out after their invented names.

    • Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J May 30, 2012 / 12:29 pm

      I have experience with both those on the left and the right in Hell. Here there is quite a bit of both. As far bearing witness to anything hellish about Progressivism I have yet to see any. As many of you on the right like to do you conflate Social Democracy with Communism. This is like saying a man and an elephant are the same because they both breathe air.

      I am quite fond of the area of New Jersey near Pedricktown, great artichokes there!

    • bagni May 30, 2012 / 11:17 pm

      dear mr. moderator
      kinda weird you call out ip address origination for only two posters?
      will you please do the same for all who post here?
      it’s only fair…don’t you think?

      Moderator’s note: Sure, why not. Amazona’s IP address is in Colorado; GMB’s is in Illinois; Neocon’s is in Florida; Retired Spook’s is in Indiana; Cluster’s is in Arizona; and yours is in Colorado. We certainly don’t want to be perceived as playing unfair.

      • Count d'Haricots June 1, 2012 / 3:26 pm

        Mine’s California, which is the 7th circle of hell.

    • Amazona May 29, 2012 / 6:29 pm

      Evidently “took” to Liar Louie means “bought”.

      Nicholas Trist negotiated the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, explicitly redefining the border between Mexico and the United States, in early 1848 after President Polk had already attempted to recall him from Mexico as a failure. Although Mexico did not overtly cede any land under the treaty, the redefined border had the effect of transferring Alta California and Santa Fe de Nuevo Mexico to the control of the United States. Equally important, the new border also acknowledged Mexico’s loss of Texas, both the core eastern portion and the western claims, neither of which had been formally recognized by Mexico until that time.
      The U.S. Senate approved the treaty, rejecting amendments from Jefferson Davis to also annex most of northeastern Mexico and by Daniel Webster not to take even Alta California and Santa Fe de Nuevo Mexico. The United States also paid $15,000,000 ($298,310,309 in 2005 dollars) for the land, and agreed to assume $3.25 million in debts to US citizens. While technically the territory was purchased by the United States, the $15 million payment was simply credited against Mexico’s enormous debt towards the U.S. at that time.

      (Which is the same as handing the money over and then receiving it a a partial payment. I wonder if Liar Louie has ever mentioned the debt owed by Mexico.)

      And then…

      The Gadsden Purchase (known as Venta de La Mesilla, or Sale of La Mesilla, in Mexico is a 29,670-square-mile (76,800 km2) region of present-day southern Arizona and southwestern New Mexico that was purchased by the United States in a treaty signed by James Gadsden, the American ambassador to Mexico at the time, on December 30, 1853

      Lefty lies so seldom have any room in them for truth or fact, especially when used for race-baiting and hate-mongering.

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 8:38 am


        facts mean nothing to these cretin vomiters of hate.

    • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 8:43 am

      Beautiful vid………the workers paradise led by BARK Ubama

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 8:48 am

        The ROOKIE community agitator shows his azz again……



      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 8:57 am

        Presidential Medal of Freedom Awarded to Republican-Bashing Chavez Admirer Dolores Huerta

        “Our tema, our theme will be: Republicans hate Latinos, OK? Republicans hate Latinos.”

        Noooo we hate COMMUNIST and leftist agitators of all persuasions….

      • Amazona May 30, 2012 / 9:32 am

        Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski has written on his Twitter account that “the White House will apologize for the outrageous mistake. It’s a pity that ignorance and incompetence overshadowed such a momentous ceremony.”

    • Retired Spook May 30, 2012 / 8:58 am

      Cluster, that’s not a “good” video; that’s a great video. I hope it goes viral.

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 9:02 am


        copy the URL and e mail it to all your friends and family, if we all do the same it will go viral…..
        the same with the American Thinker article Cluster linked to,

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 9:09 am

        I just E mailed both links to 25+ people
        lets get this rolling

    • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 9:00 am


      summed up he is an empty suit, POS
      I have to agree.

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 9:13 am

        Allah Will ‘Bring Down’ America’s Skyscrapers:

        Horrific New Farrakhan Audio Praising Sharia Law and Threatening ‘Death’ Unless ‘America Submits’

        Hands & Heads ‘Chopped Off’ Under Sharia

    • Retired Spook May 30, 2012 / 9:37 am

      Cluster, I’ve read a lot of good posts at AT over the years, but this is one of the best. And the last few paragraphs really do dovetail perfectly with your post here.

      There is a bigger problem for Democrats than one election and a failed candidate. The strategy adopted long ago and responsible for most of their success over the last eighty years has played itself out, and they are left with nothing.

      Franklin Roosevelt, during the Great Depression, saw the value of buying votes by spreading benefits around. It was successful and a strategy refined by other Democrats over the years. It was based on identity politics that focused on certain segments of the population and won them over with “gifts.”

      It was a strategy of winning elections rather than a strategy of governance, and it was therefore very successful in winning elections, but not so in governing. The Democrat coalition is a motley collection of interest groups with nothing in common other than “we want more.” That makes it impossible to have a coherent governing strategy.

      Some are amazed that Democrats have not developed a budget for almost three years. It really is impossible to do so without offending their coalition. In a time of monetary constraint, they cannot afford to show who will benefit at the expense of others. That is just an example of how governance becomes impossible with an election strategy based on Santa Claus.

      Now the country is near its Thatcher point, where there is no more money to buy votes and goodies will eventually be taken away rather than increased. This condition has serious implications for both political parties, but especially for the Democrats. The Democratic Party now exists and survives for one simple reason — making dependency more attractive. It has become the party of plunder, taking from the productive and giving to the unproductive in an attempt to buy enough votes to remain relevant.

      • Cluster May 30, 2012 / 9:58 am

        I am growing more optimistic by the day that we can, and will, win this election and shed ourselves of this plague that is progressivism. The Democratic party has been hijacked by the far left and they, along with the media, have tried to impose themselves on America by demonizing everyone they disagree with, and by making promises they can never live up to, and I believe the vast majority of real Americans have awoken to that fact, and will see to it that they lose their grip this November.

        And the media will call it – “unexpected”

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 10:02 am

        The FIX is in

        Eric Holder and IRS Administrators Due to Advise Hundreds of African-American Pastors on How to Best Participate in 2012 Election

        “We want to let them know that there is a theological responsibility to participate in the political process”

      • Amazona May 30, 2012 / 10:22 am

        “We want to let them know that there is a theological responsibility to participate in the political process”

        This from the people who freak out and fly into frenzies of hysterical outrage at the prospect of a minute of silence in schools, where students MIGHT pray, or at the sight of a cross on a hill.

      • tiredoflibbs May 30, 2012 / 12:14 pm

        ““We want to let them know that there is a theological responsibility to participate in the political process””

        Ahhh, more “campaigning” from the pulpit by the Democrats. If a non-Democrat did that, their tax status would be reevaluated.

  6. Retired Spook May 30, 2012 / 10:24 am

    MarketWatch headlines this morning:

    A DOW Theory sell signal?

    U.S. Stock futures drop; Spain downgrade weighs

    In Spain, the worst is yet to come

    Emerging markets are faltering

    ECB opposes Spain’s banks plan

    World makes preparations for Euro-Zone breakup

    Housing data darken mood

    • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 10:41 am

      Trayvon Martin Day’ Indoctrination in D.C.
      FrontPage Magazine ^ | May 30, 2012 | Arnold Ahlert

      – FrontPage Magazine –

      ‘Trayvon Martin Day’ Indoctrination in D.C.

      In an event that illuminates the ongoing politicization of the nation’s public schools, Malcolm X Elementary school in Washington D.C. held an event called “Trayvon Martin Day” last Friday. “The children at Malcolm X know the name Trayvon Martin,” principal, J. Harrison Coleman told WJLA-TV. “They know the incident. They know it basically because of what’s in the news but because of what they experience every day.” The event was framed as part of an ongoing effort by the school called “Let’s Keep Our Children Safe.” But the slant of the agenda was clarified when Coleman announced that every adult who attended the seminar would receive an Arizona Iced Tea and each student would get a bag of Skittles, items Martin had purchased prior to his confrontation with George Zimmerman.

      Codine cough medicine down the hall wit styrofoam cups to mix da SLIM

    • Retired Spook May 30, 2012 / 1:05 pm

      More great financial sector headlines:

      Record-low yield for 10-year Treasury

      Street hit over Europe fears

      Pending home sales off in April

      Analysts glum on R.I.M.

      Facebook edges toward $28

      Euro zone’s business confidence slumps

      There is one piece of good news. Oil is trading under $88/barrel.

      • Cluster May 30, 2012 / 1:32 pm

        There is one piece of good news. Oil is trading under $88/barrel.

        Yet gas prices remain $3.65 on average. I think the last time the barrel was priced this low, gas prices were around $2.20

    • Retired Spook May 30, 2012 / 12:58 pm


      You don’t suppose the opening paragraph carries any insight into the validity of the poll, do you?

      For Democrats to win this fall they need to turn the focus of the national conversation from a straight referendum on the economy to a debate over which party is doing more to protect the middle class, according to a poll conducted in 58 swing congressional districts by Democratic pollster Geoff Garin.

      • consigliereciucava May 30, 2012 / 1:15 pm

        I can;t speak for Cavalor but I believe these polling results are just as accurate as those offered daily by Rasmussen.

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 1:33 pm

        you may mot speak for calvin, but you speak as stupid as he does.

    • Cluster May 30, 2012 / 1:28 pm


      Fortunately for conservatives, the American voter is much more informed this time around, and a simplistic statement like “does more for the middle class”, just wont work anymore. What does that mean anyway?

      The fact is that Obama;s policies are costing the middle class more money in higher gas prices, higher grocery prices, higher health care costs, and less work and lower wages. Americans have had enough, and the phrase “we are from the government and we are here to help” has a lot people running for the exits.

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 1:42 pm

        Oh yeah….the GREAT FRAUD !!!!

        A few examples of this “flexibility” are the following:

        He changed his name when he believed it served him to do so.

        He is not a religious man, but he joined a Black Liberation Church to sell his bona fides to the black community in his early days in Chicago.

        He said that preacher Jeremiah Wright was like his father yet threw him under the bus when it became convenient (necessary).

        He claimed to have been born in Kenya in order to enhance book sales as a younger man.

        He likely lied on his applications to college to gain foreign student status. At the time, that category provided more favorable admission and funding treatment than afforded domestic blacks.

        He claimed to be a constitutional professor when he was neither a professor nor particularly well-versed in the Constitution.

        Little was known about Obama when he entered the primary campaign. He became little more than a complex Rorschach blot with a sanitized past carefully scrubbed and scripted. His campaign avoided specifics; his speeches contained no substance. The imagination of observers defined him.

        His greatest asset was his “unknownness.” As a blank slate, voters imagined whatever they wanted in the next president. They were aided by a clever marketing campaign which emphasized his uniqueness:

        As a political “newbie” and the first serious African-American candidate, he played well.
        He was an outsider who would clean up Washington. For many, he was the great healer who would bring unity to Republicans and Democrats, blacks and whites and America and its enemies. His Kumbayah campaign was hailed by the media, and a large, naive segment of the electorate believed it.

        Read more:

    • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 1:48 pm

      class warfare, dumbed down plantation drones, cheating the donk ticket to “winning”

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 2:41 pm

        I LOOOOOVE this Man

        ‘Let’s Talk About The President Doing Blow’: Rep. West Pushes Back on Town Hall Question

        ‘If you guys want to go back and talk about what happened nine years ago to me, let’s talk about the president doing blow.”

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 2:53 pm

        Ubamas son?

        Naked Man Who Tried to Eat Homeless Man’s Face Identified —
        and are ‘Bath Salts’ to Blame?
        The cyclist who first spotted the grisly scene recalled: “The guy was, like, tearing him to pieces with his mouth, so I told him, ‘Get off!’…The guy just kept eating the other guy away, like, ripping his skin.”

        “When the officer approached him, told him to stop, pointed a gun at him, he turned around and growled like a wild animal and kept eating at the man’s face,”

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 3:09 pm

        Awwwwww Geeeeee

        Report: Hugo Chavez ‘Dire,‘ Cancer Has ’Entered the End Stage’

        let me be the first to say AMF

        say hi to karl. adolph. joe, mao, ted, che, john (murtha), saul, yassir, and the rest of the “boys” when you arrive in Hell, Save a seat for fidel and george (sosos) they will be along soon enough.

      • neocon1 May 30, 2012 / 3:26 pm

        here is your hope n change BARK

  7. GMB May 30, 2012 / 3:37 pm

    The enthuisam for barky is just not out there anymore. None of the phony outrages or wars on whatever are gaining any traction. barky and the choo choo are commiting gaffe after gaffe. Two weeks ago according to dws the Wisconsin recall was a big deal. Now it has no importance at all.

    What happened to that taunted billion dollar war chest of barky’s?

    Burnt toast. 🙂

  8. Cluster May 30, 2012 / 6:42 pm

    The Davis announcement is big – no doubt. And here is another example of the Impending Implosion:

    MoveOn, a giant in the progressive political world and an early endorser of Barack Obama in 2008, warns that it might have to “pull the plug” on key campaigns to help Obama and Senate Democrats if its five million members don’t pony up with at least $5.

    • J. R. Babcock May 30, 2012 / 7:27 pm

      A good portion of those 5 million members will have to sell some food stamps on the black market to come up with 5 bucks.

  9. bagni May 30, 2012 / 11:19 pm

    hey neo
    bush did blow too…..
    and there was that drinking problem
    but that’s ok……booze is legal

    • GMB May 31, 2012 / 2:42 am

      Promblems in the donkrat paarty? Nope, not at all, not when they have baggi dropping by to leave his poo for them.

      Did GWB thank his dealer in his high school yearbook too?

    • tiredoflibbs May 31, 2012 / 8:31 am

      baggi, you are too predictable.

      While Bush’s ALLEDGED drug use was a question to his ability to be President.

      With obAMATEUR’s self-admitted, “it was an event in his youth that made him a stronger person” and no where are the same people asking the same question as to affecting his ability to be pResident.

      You drones are too predictable, especially alien ones.

    • neocon1 May 31, 2012 / 8:53 am

      nanu nanu dork

      that is a proven lie…….

      Ochimpy did both blow and blew,,, your kind of “guy”

    • neocon1 May 31, 2012 / 9:00 am

      How much longer do have to listen to this LYING RACIST POS????
      where the HELL is the GOP? Where the HELL is Boehner?
      IMPEACH this piece of filth NOW!!!

      Holder to black leaders: ‘Sacred’ right to vote under attack

      5/30/12 11:28 AM EDT

      Attorney General Eric Holder told a council of African American church leaders Wednesday that the “sacred” right to vote is under assault nationwide, with federal lawsuits and at least a dozen state laws that could hinder – or block – minorities’ access to the ballot box this fall.

      • neocon1 May 31, 2012 / 9:22 am

        the commie left FEAR this man…I say West for VP

        ‘Why Are You Traveling With Stormtroopers’: Protestors and Supporters of Rep. Allen West Clash at Town Hall

      • neocon1 May 31, 2012 / 9:27 am

        Tell it Joe

        Rep. Joe Walsh Gets ‘Wound Up’ at Town Hall: Dems Want Hispanics ‘Dependent on Government’ Just Like African Americans

        “Jesse Jackson would be out of work if [African Americans] weren’t dependent on government.”

  10. Retired Spook May 31, 2012 / 10:43 am

    From the Daily Caller morning newsbriefs — just too humorous not to share:

    Indians give Warren back — Elizabeth Warren has not only been under fire for claiming to be Cherokee, but also for being unable to back the claim up. Now, some Cherokees are rejecting her, reports TheDC’s Alex Pappas:

    “More than 150 Cherokee Indians have joined a group online demanding more information from Massachusetts senate candidate Elizabeth Warren about her claims of Native American heritage. ‘You claim to be Cherokee. … We don’t claim you!’ the group ‘Cherokees Demand Truth from Elizabeth Warren’ declares on its website.”

    The saga continues — thankfully. In this world of vice and woe, it’s nice to have a story that’s so entertaining.

    • neocon1 May 31, 2012 / 11:46 am


      • neocon1 May 31, 2012 / 12:38 pm

        maybe ole liz is ward churchill’s daughter?
        Kowabunga again!!

      • neocon1 May 31, 2012 / 12:40 pm

        Chief Thunderthud (played by Bill LeCornec) of the mythical Ooragnak tribe (“Kangaroo” spelled backward) introduced the word “Kawabonga,” an expression of surprise and frustration, into the English language.

        Howdy doodie show

      • neocon1 May 31, 2012 / 12:42 pm

    • Cluster May 31, 2012 / 12:38 pm

      I saw that too Spook, and had to laugh. Typical liberal know it all – I have never liked Elizabeth Warren

      • neocon1 May 31, 2012 / 2:29 pm

        just when you thought the LOONEY left couldnt get nuttier……..

        Jackson Lee: Women to be dragged out ‘into the streets,’ return to ‘coat hangers’ on abortion act

      • neocon1 May 31, 2012 / 2:59 pm

        jackson lee……your brother??

  11. bardolf May 31, 2012 / 8:22 pm

    The problem with the predicted implosion is the GOP steps all over itself in a race to the bottom in just about every category. So fiscal conservativism is preached, but not for the voters who show up to the polls 70% of the time only those who show up 40% of the time. Despite Daily Kos beliefs, medicare and medicaid would thrive under Romney.

    Obama believes he has the power to order people killed — in total secrecy, without any due process, without transparency or oversight of any kind, something that should alarm any conservative but GOP governor McDonnell thinks drones are swell.

    Even Forbes said that drone sales are a way to slowly NATIONALIZE the police forces. That should concern conservatives who remember Waco and can now envision it happening on the local level.

    Of course Wall Street would be happy with any candidate who lets the Fed continue the cheap loans to big investors who can gamble with commodity prices. The difference between the candidates economic philosophies isn’t so great. Both are Keynesian at heart.

    Romney’s two selling points according to his biggest supporter, the lovely Ann Coulter are immigration and overturning Obamacare. If the SC throws out Obamacare (which would be the Constitutional thing to do and no big deal to Obama otherwise he would have a single payer provision) and the recent history of more illegals returning to Mexico than coming, continues, there are no selling points.

    I’m not a big fan of Newt but he is perfectly right about one thing. If you really are different, if you really have a much better message, if you are really convinced your policies will make the USA better, then you should be going for a crushing victory. You should try to destroy your opponent, not win by a small number of electoral points in only 3 or 4 swing states.

    • GMB June 1, 2012 / 5:24 am

      The Clintons. Just going through the motions of supporting barky. They certainly have not been enthusiastic about this campaign season at all.

      Worst party ever! LOL

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