Open Thread

Have at it folks, There is a lot going on, so I want to know what’s on your mind:

– your thoughts on Obama’ s immigration decree

– your thoughts on MSNBC editing another tape to make Romney look bad having learned nothing from the Trayvon Martin shameful incident

– your thoughts on calls for Holder’s resignation

– your thoughts on Romney’s campaign so far – is his message resonating

And so many other issues of interest, so have at it and keep it civil

 

 

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37 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 20, 2012 / 11:59 am

    On the Obama immigration announcement it was the right thing to do.

    The MSNBC selective editing of Mitt Romney’s Wawa comments was an abysmal miscarriage of journalism and who ever decided they can take artistic license to make a political point should be fired and if Andrea Mitchell had a hand in it she should be fired too.

    I’ve been back and forth with Cavalor about the Fast and Furious thing. One thing The Boss and I agree on is that Holder is out in a second Obama administration but the errors of judgment in this case including the loss of over 200 firearms some of which have been involved in violent crimes since mean that the oversight of this program was flawed and the buck stops with the AG. Holder should resign and the Deputy AG should turn over any documents the House Committee needs. Obama’s invocation of executive privilege in this case is a waste of ink and a terrible political blunder.

    • dbschmidt June 20, 2012 / 12:17 pm

      By invocation of Executive Privilege–President Obama has just admitted that he had direct knowledge about Operation Fast & Furious and could very well be “up to his eyes” in this mess as well. Resignation is too kind for anyone involved–about 30 to life at hard labor sounds like a good start.

    • neocon1 June 20, 2012 / 3:52 pm

      Ochimpy should FIRE the bro….oh wait he is “One of HIS people”
      hell maybe a nobel peace prize?

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 20, 2012 / 4:03 pm

        Neocon no matter who replaces Holder I am sure you will find some reason to make inane comments about them because they are in an Obama administration. Fast & Furious was an oversight failure that lead to death but the actions of Alberto Gonzalez’s Department of Justice attempting to politicize the offices of US Attorneys across America was also a crime and a far deeper political scandal. To this point Obama has used executive privilege once while the last president did six times. Here’s a question for you Cluster since this an open thread. If Romney wins how long will it take for him to get American unemployment down below 5%? One year? Two years? One term? Two terms?

      • Count d'Haricots June 20, 2012 / 6:30 pm

        Ferrdy is either an ignoramus of the first order or … no, he’s an ignoramus.

        Alberto Gonzalez fired seven US Attorneys after their reviews demonstrated their sub-par performance. (By contrast Clinton ordered the dismissal of ALL US Attorneys without any review, formal or otherwise).

        Since the US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President, firing the poor performers isn’t a “.crime” it is performing the duties of the AG’s job.

        It makes perfect sense that liberals and other marginal workers and non-producers would think asking an employee to actually perform their job, and then firing them for not doing so would be “politicizing.”

        As to Executive Privilege, Obama declared the same privilege in September 2011 over the NSS emails as well as Executive Order 13489 on January 21, 2009 citing Executive Privilege and extending that to the Vice President.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 20, 2012 / 6:58 pm

        Count, According to the Boston Herald LA Times and all the news sources I can gather this is the first time President Obama has invoked executive privilege.

    • neocon1 June 21, 2012 / 5:54 am

      then he is in the middle of the illegal fast n furious.

  2. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 20, 2012 / 12:10 pm

    On Romney’s campaign so far I think he did well considering he’s not a conservative by any current definition but this election isn’t about conservatives getting their candidate which couldn’t win in the general but fielding a candidate that can beat Obama in Novmeber. I still think if the election were held today Romney would squeak out a win by taking North Carolina and Virginia and Pennsylvania while losing Florida and Ohio. By the time Romney’s VP choice is known I think it will be a closer race in all of those states and likely too close to call if the US economy stays the same. Ifg conservatives hold their nose and vote in the masses that young people and minority voters did for Obama in 2008 it’ll be a long night for the Democrats all the way down the ballot.

    • Cluster June 20, 2012 / 2:04 pm

      I think it will be a close election, but disagree with you on Florida. I think Romney wins that fairly easily.

      Obama invoked executive privilege today on Fast & Furious – if this is just a “witch hunt” and the administration didn’t know much, then why the executive privilege?

      • neocon1 June 20, 2012 / 3:50 pm

        , then why the executive privilege?

        think the blew dress and a smoking gun, Ubama is in deep doo doo

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 20, 2012 / 3:58 pm

        The solution to this matter is to release the documents and have Holder resign. Holder has been a pinata for the Right to swing at since his appointment and while he’s been a good AG it appears that politics are more important then competence in this case. If Obama wants a second term he has to let Holder go and come clean on this non-scandal or he’ll become the Democratic party Nixon.

      • Cluster June 20, 2012 / 5:56 pm

        I am not so sure that this is a “non scandal”. Keep in mind, a border agent lost his life because of their reckless policy, and furthermore, I really think that the motivation behind this program was yet another liberal attempt at gun control, as they try and chip away at the second amendment.

        I think this is a huge issue that is being under reported.

      • dbschmidt June 20, 2012 / 6:28 pm

        My sticking point on this and many other cases with public officials is, as Fredrick stated “The solution to this matter is to release the documents and have Holder resign.“Just resign and all is well no matter how offensive the crime was.In holder’s case I believe it is two border agents (US Federal employees) and anywhere from 300 to 30,000 plus Mexican citizens.

        It is time to treat them harder than the general public because of their special trust as a public official and I mean from police, judges, department officials–everyone who is paid for with public tax dollars the penalties automatically double and goes up from there.

        And I would not have any problem with reviewing all non-violent offenders sentencing in order to make room for the gaggle of offenders we have at every level of government.

      • Count d'Haricots June 20, 2012 / 6:41 pm

        db,

        US citizens are guaranteed equal protection under the law. Our form of jurisprudence insures that one class of citizen isn’t prosecuted differently because of employment status. A short hop from “public officials” receiving twice the punishment is “republicans” being held without trial, and “married middle-aged white men” subject to public stoning for not paying their fair share in taxes.

        Receiving tax money as remuneration would include all public sector employees as in budget analysts and the guy who rings the register at the Capital Gift shop, as well as private businesses that do business with government entities, like the liquor store owner that delivers Malt Liquor and Kools to the Whitehouse.

        Careful what you wish for son.

      • dbschmidt June 20, 2012 / 7:02 pm

        Tell that to a Senator who is exempt from prosecution for everything and anything they say or do “as a part of their official duties” or insider trading as two very basic examples. I have seen them shut down entire police departments here in NC and as long as you resigned–no harm ~ no foul and you just join another one. Same with these folks.

        I am careful with what I wish for (as I learned in the Marines) but there comes a time where extremes are needed to be the normal for a little while. Let’s implement Roman rule then or was it the Greeks where public service was a nobel venture; however, at the first scent of corruption (real proof not required)–you were executed and a special election held.

      • dbschmidt June 20, 2012 / 7:09 pm

        Maybe I should have clarified my point better to when a public official (voted for or appointed) abuses their role and/or power in an act that is corrupt and illegal for the average citizen. It could be easily designed to effect only those that abuse public trust and double is as simple as considering it a type of “hate crime” which is an oxymoron of sorts.

      • Count d'Haricots June 20, 2012 / 7:16 pm

        I feel your pain.

        Soiling the Robe; an archaic term for betraying the public trust.

        Our Constitution refers to it as a “High Crime”, or a crime committed by a person in a “high position”.

        But, I don’t know a single person that would accept state funds for some low-level public sector job if they were subject to summary execution for the appearance of indecorum. Yikes!

  3. dbschmidt June 20, 2012 / 7:04 pm

    Since this is an open thread ~ here is part of an old email going around…

    Does anybody remember the reason given for the establishment of the DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY during the Carter administration?

    Bottom line is, we’ve spent several hundred billion dollars in support of an agency, the reason for which very few people who read this can remember!

    It was very simple… and at the time, everybody thought it very appropriate.

    The Department of Energy was instituted on 8/04/1977, TO LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL.

    Hey, pretty efficient, huh???

    AND NOW IT’S 2012 — 35 YEARS LATER — AND THE BUDGET FOR THIS “NECESSARY” DEPARTMENT IS AT $24.2 BILLION A YEAR. IT HAS 16,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND APPROXIMATELY 100,000 CONTRACT EMPLOYEES; AND LOOK AT THE JOB IT
    HAS DONE!

    34 years ago 30% of our oil consumption was foreign imports. Today 70% of our oil consumption is foreign imports.

    Ah, yes — good old Federal bureaucracy.

    NOW, WE HAVE TURNED OVER THE BANKING SYSTEM, HEALTH CARE, AND THE AUTO INDUSTRY TO THE SAME GOVERNMENT?

    This is the socialist model of an all encompassing “Big Daddy” government coming to fruition. The alphabet soup of Federal agencies that are not strictly enumerated in the Constitution need to be cut. Yes, that includes SS, Medicare, Medicaid, NEA, and a host of others. If they are necessary–they can be handled at State or if possible at an even more local level.

    The folks that were forced to contribute will need to be reimbursed fully and possibly with a reasonable rate of return on monies “invested.” The Federal Government and Business (crony capitalism) will need a total separation. Health care was reasonable until it became a “benefit” to the worker and a tax write-off for the corporation. Actually, all levels of government with their special tax breaks for relocating a business in their area. I used to watch companies move every 5 to 10 years for the tax benefits they would be promised every time. Nothing, including this monolithic government is too large to fail.

  4. Cluster June 20, 2012 / 9:27 pm

    Rachel Maddow is currently on MSNBC giving cover to Holder & Obama on Fast & Furious, saying that this issue is agenda driven by a bunch of lunatic, racist right wingers hell bent on bringing this administration down. That’s all. No big deal that the POTUS was behind a plan to allow guns to easily get into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, which resulted in the death of US border guard, all because of his administrations desire to put gun control laws into place, right Rachel?

    It’s transparent, Holder lied and Rachel knows it. She is nothing more than a shameless shill for “The One We Have All Been Wainting For”, as are many other media members. It’s embarrassing.

    • dbschmidt June 20, 2012 / 11:32 pm

      Wondering ~ not contemplating, thinking about actions required, etc. and wish no one any harm; however, I wonder what her (Maddow & MSNBC) and the other’s opinions would be if it was their dead son, husband or father not to mention the hundreds of Mexicans killed as well. I have seen quite a few candlelight vigils head outside of prisons an such before the execution of a convicted felon was carried out and every news reporter that dared ask of the folks holding the vigil–none had ever been, nor have any of their friends been, affected by a violent crime all the way done to simple robbery or purse snatching.

      My first two years as a reservist coming off active duty with the Marines–I buried over 500 good men and women in the S. Florida area. Some weeks I pulled double and triple funerals just so we never put a Marine in the ground without a proper farewell. I don’t know how many families were shattered by the deaths while “their Marines” helped people around the world never asking for anything. This was also during a time of relative “peace.” It is time to call a spade a spade (just the old saying–nothing intended) and start to out all of the crap amongst us and extinguish it.

      Considering most of Hollyweird / NYC television. movie and sports folks like Maddow make a great deal more in income than the average family including those that Obama constantly chide as “the rich” — does she hate herself and give away everything over the national average income to charity?

      • Cluster June 21, 2012 / 7:59 am

        I would wager to say that Maddow makes a few million dollars a year and donates very little to charity as it is with most liberals. But that will never stop her from mocking and humiliating conservatives who happen to be rich for being greedy, that’s just who liberals are. They are not reality based people, they are agenda based people who have a false sense of compassionate and intellectual superiority.

        Liberals honestly think that they are smarter and more “evolved” than other people and that because of that superiority, they are best equipped to guide this country forward, therefore any means necessary to reach their goal is justified. That is a very dangerous mindset and one that certainly needs to be defeated.

  5. Jeremiah June 20, 2012 / 10:18 pm

    O’ Amazona, wherefore does thou goest on the open threads??

    Tell me sweet things……

      • Amazona June 23, 2012 / 9:30 pm

        According to a motion filed by Party attorneys in a Tennessee eligibility lawsuit, “…Defendants [the Tennessee Democrat Party and the Democrat National Committee] assert that the Tennessee Democrat Party has the right to nominate whoever it chooses to run as a candidate, including someone who is not qualified for the office.”

        In numerous previous lawsuits questioning the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama, Democrats have maintained that voters, not the Constitution, should be the final arbiters of presidential eligibility.

        What was that?

        Let’s look at that again…..

        voters, NOT THE CONSTITUTION, should be the final arbiters of presidential eligibility

        As for the first part, sure, the Dems in Tennessee can nominate whoever they want to run for any office they choose. And people can even vote for him or her. There is not a real problem till the person tries to assume office, which is where the rubber should meet the road, the Constitutional requirements be met, and the Tennessee Dems held up to the ridicule they would so richly deserve.

    • Amazona June 21, 2012 / 7:25 pm

      maple syrup, bubble gum, ice cream, Snickers…………

  6. Count d'Haricots June 21, 2012 / 6:14 pm

    Whisky-Tango -Foxtrot!

    My comment is “awaiting moderation”?
    The Press reports “first time” and its demonstrably incorrect. Please post the links to the letters from the White House. Mr. Mrs. Ms. Moderator, thank you.

    • neocon1 June 21, 2012 / 6:44 pm

      count

      @ My comment is “awaiting moderation”?

      have you joined the “BAD BOY” club with GMB & Me? LOL

      • Amazona June 21, 2012 / 7:24 pm

        Neo, it is not just a Bad BOYS club as I have also had a post held for moderation—and it was not even a harsh post.

        Who knows?????????????

      • neocon1 June 21, 2012 / 9:41 pm

        ama

        we are equal opportunity offenders, we can make it a BAD BOYS/GIRLS club if you wish to join LOL

      • dbschmidt June 22, 2012 / 6:58 pm

        Count,

        There is your “offense.” When you post more than one link it auto-magically goes into moderation. You are not quite the “Bad Boy” yet — but keep trying.

  7. tiredoflibbs June 22, 2012 / 7:46 am

    The obAMATEUR a$$-kissing media ignores the 2000 US soldier death count in Afghanistan unlike Iraq.

    The Goebbels like media plays the race card like good little minions “Romney only comfortable with white folks”.

    What other “magic” are they going to perform next? More selective “news” coverage, more editing, more a$$-kissing???

    Typical and pathetic.

  8. tiredoflibbs June 23, 2012 / 7:06 am

    Lovelock, the “godfather” of global warming said “it’s now clear the doomsday predictions, including his own (and Al Gore’s) were incorrect.”

    Other observation by Lovelock:

    (1) A long-time supporter of nuclear power as a way to lower greenhouse gas emissions, which has made him unpopular with environmentalists, Lovelock has now come out in favour of natural gas fracking (which environmentalists also oppose), as a low-polluting alternative to coal.

    (2) Lovelock blasted greens for treating global warming like a religion.

    (3) Lovelock mocks the idea modern economies can be powered by wind turbines. (obAMATEUR’s “green energy” plan is a joke!!!! -which we knew all along).

    (4) Finally, about claims “the science is settled” on global warming: “One thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth. You can only approach it and hope to get a bit nearer to it each time. You iterate towards the truth. You don’t know it.” 

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel

    Hmmmmmmmm……..

    ….interesting. Algore must be livid!

    • Amazona June 23, 2012 / 9:34 pm

      tired, have you noticed that when the temps are given on the local weather report at the end of the day, it is noted whether or not the day’s temp met or broke the existing record?

      So, if today’s temp beats the old record set in 1898, by one point, isn’t that PROOF that this “global warming” thing is bogus? Because if the new record, set today (as an example) is 101, beating the old record of 100 set more than 100 years ago, this has to mean it was almost exactly as hot then as it is now.

      (BTW, I just picked an old date, because I don’t remember the date that got me to thinking about this, and it’s the point I am trying to make, not an actual historical reference. So put away your Farmers Almanac, rico.)

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