So, what is in the news today?
The unemployment rate for white men and women was unchanged at 7.4 percent, while 184,000 more black American’s went without a job in June, for an unemployment rate of 14.4 percent.
Plunging new orders suggest global recession has arrived.
More workers joined the federal government’s disability program in June than got new jobs, according to two new government reports, a clear indicator of how bleak the nation’s jobs picture is after three full years of economic recovery.
Is this what you want? Seriously? Liberals, tell us: will four more years of Obama make this all better? How? What will Obama start to do on January 20th, 2013 which will turn this all around?
Will he spend even more money?
Provide even more subsidies for favored “green” companies?
What will he do to make it all better?
If you haven’t got a rock-solid answer and a means of demonstrating how that rock-solid answer will turn this around, then a vote for Obama is a mere vote of hatred…a vote you will give him not because you really think him wise or strong but simply because you hate Republicans so much that you’d rather suffer Obama than have a Republican in office.
UPDATE: On the other hand, every State which elected a Republican governor in 2010 has seen its unemployment rate drop. So, California, New York and Illinois, are you regretting your choice?
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What will Obama start to do on January 20th, 2013 which will turn this all around?
My guess would be the Krugman strategy: a $4 trillion stimulus.
Mark, Mark, Mark, don’t you realize that this is all Bush’s problem? And how is Obama suppose to get anything done with all the “obstructionist” GOPers? But look at the bright side – at least we all have health care insurance!
It’s a little simpleminded to say ‘Will four more years of Obama make this all better?”
Voters have a choice between two parties, the majority will pick the lesser of two evils, Obama. So welcome to four more years. Most people remember who was in charge when this started, and don’t want to return to Bush without charisma aka Romney.
Speaking of Little Simpleminded …
And right on queue – bloody stump blames Bush. Is that not predictable?
What a fall from grace this has been for Obama in just 3 1/2 years. In 2008, Obama was the savior, “The One We Have All Been Waiting For”, poised to recede the seas, heal the planet and cure the racial divide. Now? Well now he is just the lesser of two evils. Hilarious.
“But, but, BUSH” is the default conservative pre-sponse to free them of all blame for our current problems. According to conservatives the problem started the instant Obama took office, nothing happened before. Would have been a little easier to fix the problem with the extra 3.7 TRILLION dollars we borrowed to pay for the Iraqi funtime adventure hour, but that happened before Obama so it doesn’t exist.
stumpy: ““But, but, BUSH” is the default conservative pre-sponse to free them of all blame for our current problems.”
Uh no, it is obAMATEUR’s go to for blame of his failures. Need proof? Listen to any speech obAMATEUR makes. According to himself (and his mindless, kool-aid drinking drones), he is completely blameless.
To deny that, you have to deny reality.
Try again, drone.
I love the idea that McCain would have done better, let me guess tax cuts for rich people?
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Well again, the lowered expectations you liberals now have of Obama is absolutely hilarious. What happened to Hope and Change?
The economy is not rocket science and a simple equation is – the less competition there is, the less innovative and productive the market place will be. The more competition there is, the more innovative and productive the market place will be. Government stifles competition.
You do the math.
Ironically, most democrats voted for that Iraqi fun time adventure hour, including Hillary Clinton, and Bush waited for their approval rather than issue decrees from on high as Obama now does. I also don’t remember Bush ever blaming Clinton for anything, but that’s what real men do – they accept responsibility. Effeminate frauds, like Obama, always seem to want to blame others, even after 3 1/2 years and $5 trillion dollars spent.
But the bright side is that we all now have health insurance.
“Well again, the lowered expectations you liberals now have of Obama is absolutely hilarious.” I voted against Snowmobile Snookie myself, rather than for Obama. The choice offered was far right wing kook or center right Democrat, again lesser of two evils. I know you will be amazed, but Obama is center right compared to the rest of modern democracies.
Well now you’re just flailing bloody, but you are great for comic relief – so thank you for that. Obama is center right when compared with Chavez or Castro. It’s all a matter of perspective.
And hey, we all have health insurance so all is good. No worries here.
I can’t assure you of any such thing Frederick, as “things getting better” depend more on the American people than the President, which is something Obama has never understood. I can promise you though that Romney will stop the bleeding, will roll back a bloated and inefficient government, and will bring confidence back to the private markets allowing them to invest with certainty.
So cluster you can assure me that if Romney wins in November the Unicorn Farts we were promised to run the wheels of Industry will continue to be all like hopey and changy?
I can only imagine what the conservatives response will be to the latest Obamanomics news regarding all the new jobs saved or imagined.
I can tell you this; the whole world will be impressed with all the free junk and stuff we’re going to get in a second Obama Administration.
So there!
Is it all free Frederick? Nobody pays for it? It just grows on trees? Is that how you liberals think?
Time to put the adults back in charge sport.
Obama’s Stash, fool!
Actually, no matter who wins, we’re in for a tremendously bad time. My view is that we’re already back in recession (these things don’t show up in official data for some time after they start – it wasn’t until 2009 that they figured the recession started in 2007) – but even if we’re not at the moment, we definitely will be. Most economic data from around the United States and around the world indicates the economy is skidding to a halt if it hasn’t already. Given this and given the looming debt crisis and thus the absolute necessity of cutting government spending in a big way, a recession is “baked in” to the economy. 2013 will be a long, miserable year.
The difference between Romney and Obama is this – Romney, back to the wall, will use common sense and realize that as painful as it is in the short run, the long run benefits of getting our act together are astounding. Obama, on the other hand, won’t even see the wall he’s backed up to and will take no steps to fix the problem…and would fight furiously against efforts coming out of the GOP Congress (even if Obama is re-elected it is almost a certainty that the GOP will gain a Senate majority will retaining control of the House). Under Romney, things will start to improve in 2014…under Obama, no one can predict if things will improve as long as he’s in office.
Mark, I disagree slightly – I think 2013 could be a good year for most of us, painful for those who have been on the dole for so long, ie; public unions, welfare recipients, and democratic donors.
It wont take long to bring some certainty back to the market place, and when that happens, you will see the repatriation of trillions of dollars, business’s expanding and jobs opening up. Just the approval of the keystone pipeline will do a lot, and of course we do need to completely repeal Obamacare as well.
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Hope you’re right – but I view things more darkly. Great Depression stares us in the face.
stumpy: “… or center right Democrat”
Who? obAMATEUR, center right? Your kidding right? I hope for your sake you are!
Unless of course, you are so far left, that you are left of obAMATEUR.
Pathetic.
As usual it is hard to wade through the snark of mitche, but I think he is talking about a choice between McCain and Obama. The reason this has to be a guess is because he claims the choice was between an “far right wing kook” and a “center right Democrat” when neither of these were represented in the election.
McCain was a squishy conservative, kinda-Right but not really all the time, and Obama was, even then, a Lefty, though he slapped on a couple of centrist disguises every now and then, which slipped as soon as he got off the leash and said what he really thought—–as in his comments to Joe the Plumber.
So the real choice was really right-of-center and far left.
The real war on women:
780,000 More Women Unemployed Today Than When Obama Took Office
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/780000-more-women-unemployed-today-when-obama-took-office
But the good news is that they don’t have to pay for their contraception.
Even more alarming is this:
“That’s a step in the right direction,” – Obama
The clueless wonder never ceases to amaze.
Here’s what the democrats have to offer in the next four years:
“America will never tap into educational innovation and ingenuity without looking at the model that we have in our Madrassas, in our schools where innovation is encouraged. Where the foundation is the Koran,” Rep. Andre Carson (D-Indiana) said at the ICNA-MAS convention at the end of May.
How many are on board with this?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/05/muslim_congressman_us_schools_should_be_modeled_after_madrasahs.html
Here is the sad commentary on our politics today – he’s the grandson of the lady who represented his district for 10 years. Meaning, he was the Crown Prince who was engineered in to this safe Democrat district, regardless of his views. But that isn’t the saddest part – so stupid is the GOP that all we did was put up a non-entity against the man in 2010. The opportunity is this – in a safe, Democrat seat and running against a non-entity, Carson still only got 59% of the vote. We can take back that district and oust a man who is so clearly divorced from America that he thinks a foreign, heretical philosophy is just what we need.
Divorced from reality and America is right. It’s mind boggling how childish and far left the democrats have gone. Notice how the adults in the party – Clinton, Rendell, Manchin, etc., are not at all enthusiastically supporting Obama.
Notice how the adults in the party – Clinton,
This shows how screwed we are is when the …impeached, disbarred, fined, perjurer, cheat, adulterer, lying, 21yo intern abusing, POS is considered the adult compared to Ubama.
This shows how screwed we are is when the …impeached, disbarred, fined, perjurer, cheat, adulterer, lying, 21yo intern abusing, POS is considered the adult compared to Ubama.
Neo, you missed the bad stuff: the little Chinese and Indonesian guys shuffling in and out of the back door or the White House with bags of illegal campaign cash and facilitating the sales of missile technology to China.
Libs on Iraq:
Libs on Housing Crisis that led to economy into recession:
Zerobama’s stimulus…hip hip hooray:
This was not the employment report either the American worker or the Obama campaign wanted to see right now. The Labor Department said the U.S. economy created just 80,000 jobs in June, less than the 90,000 economists had been forecasting. And private-sector job growth was just 84,000, down sharply from 105,000 in May. Not doing fine.
The unemployment rate stayed at a lofty 8.2%.
As a research note from RDQ economics put it: “The good news is that employment growth is not slowing further but there is no sign of it picking up either. At this pace, job creation is not fast enough to lower the unemployment rate with the labor force growing at close to 150,000 per month on average.” Shorter: Stagnation Nation
This continues to be the longest streak — 41 months — of unemployment of 8% or higher since the Great Depression. And recall that back in 2009, Team Obama predicted that if Congress passed its $800 billion stimulus plan, the unemployment rate would be around 5.6% today.
Just 75,000 jobs were created, on average, per month in the second quarter vs. 226,000 in the first quarter. And for the year, monthly job creation has averaged just 150,000 vs. 153,000 last year. Both numbers are extremely weak.
But those top-line numbers actually overstate the health of the labor market.
– If the size of the U.S. labor force as a share of the total population was the same as it was when Barack Obama took office—65.7% then vs. 63.8% today—the U-3 unemployment rate would be 10.9%. Even if you take into account that the LFP should be declining as America ages, the unemployment rate would be 10.5%.
– The broader U-6 unemployment rate, which includes “all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons,” is 14.9%, up a bit from May.
– The average duration of unemployment ticked up to 39.9 weeks.
– It will take 219,000 net new jobs a month for unemployment rate to be below 8% on Election Day if current participation rate holds steady.
– Job growth during the three-year Obama recovery has averaged just 75,000 a month for a total of 2.7 million. During the first three years of the Reagan Recovery, job growth averaged 273,000 a month for a total of 9.8 million. If you adjust for the larger U.S. population today, the Reagan Recovery averaged 360,000 jobs a month for a three-year total of 13 million jobs.
– The U.S. work force remains shrunken with just 58.6% employed:
Go ahead, blame Bush all you want. Zerobama was elected to fix this. He’s failed! 3.5 years later and he’s still blaming Bush…means he’s just not the guy to get the country back on track…he’s INCOMPETENT…and that’s being generous. we need a leader, not a blamer! we need a person with actually business experience, not someone who believes the private sector is “the enemy”.
I guess Michelle and Barack prefer Hawaii, Martha’s Vineyard and Spain over Zambia.
http://www.voanews.com/content/george-bush-africa-cervical-cancer/1363615.html
Thank you George.
And you didn’t hear about it until it was all over…not a photo op but a genuine action of a man who wants to try to do something for others.
TEAM OBAMATEUR: at this time, unemployment (with stimulus) 5.6%
Talk about all around failure! not even close!
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/07/june-jobs-swoon-americas-labor-market-depression-continues/
The highlight of the Obama economic record is a 43% increase in the Federal Debt which stands at an unspeakable $15.2 TRILLION, and all the so-called “stimulus” government spending has completely failed. Regardless as to whether this is a case of good intentions combined with pathetic incompetence; misguided ideology mixed with power-hungry narcissism; all Bush’s fault; or worst case – deliberate “Cloward-Piven Strategy”, it is undeniable that individual rights, which come from God, have correspondingly suffered and necessarily erode under bigger and more intrusive government.
“For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and wickedness of those who in their wickedness suppress the truth.” -Romans 1:18
This seems out of character from your WordPress blog, and seems counter to the qualifications of your tax exempt status (if you have it). Jesus Himself never got all that into Caesar’s business, other than to require Christians to comply with Roman taxes. He did get pretty angry when money grubbers practiced an early form of Wall Street style capitalism in the Temple.
It is deniable that individual rights have eroded, actually. In Jesus’ day, slaves were everywhere. Not so much today. Women were chattel. Not so much today, although that could change if TV Bob gets his way. Caesars were usually only removed from office by murder or suicide, today we have that “vote” thingy. Apostasy and non-belief is no longer punishable by death here. Not so everywhere. The Supreme Court, by striking down the Democrat-submitted and Bush approved Stolen Valor law, has definitively ruled that lying is protected speech, so all of us are free to lie away with impunity, not much “oppression” there.
Obama professes to have given his heart and life to Christ. I am certainly no judge of the veracity of his religious convictions. I’m personally kinda down with the Catholic take on Romney’s views, though:
While the Catholic Church would reject nothing that is true or good in Mormonism or any other world religion, Catholic theology would have to note that there is a tremendous amount in Mormonism that is neither true nor good. Further, because Mormonism presents itself as a form of Christianity yet is incompatible with the historic Christian faith, sound pastoral practice would need to warn the Christian faithful: Mormon theology is blasphemous, polytheistic, and cannot be considered on par with the theology of other Christian groups
Maybe we are ready for a polytheistic president after all. Are you down with that?
since when do YOU care what Catholics believe?
Maybe you’re “down” with the Pontiff’s view of Protestants?
The Holy Roman Church doesn’t approve of ANY of your choices for President boze?
Guess you’re going to have to let someone else make your Presidential Choice for you eh? Since you have no ideology, no critical thinking, no moral compass, no mentor, coach, savior, brains or headaches and, by your writings, no talent at writing or communication, to whom will you turn to tell you what to do?
Bozo,
I’m delighted that you appear willing to enter in to full communion with the one, true, universal Church. If there is anything I can do to help you along in this process, please let me know. I’m sure there is an RCIA group some where in your local area.
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
I can restate churchvictory’s Biblical quote in secular terms if that will soothe freakzo:
“Suppressing the truth is a bad thing.”
Feel better now?
“For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and wickedness of those who in their wickedness suppress the truth.” -Romans 1:18
You may want to check your math, lest you suppress the truth.
Maybe we are ready for a polytheistic president after all. Are you down with that? – bozo
Well we currently have a black theologian, so what the hell, right?
since when do YOU care what Catholics believe? – Angelo
Great response Angelo.
When people use their religion, or bash another, purely for political points, they expose themselves as unthinking, juvenile partisans whom need to be ignored.
Obama professes to have given his heart and life to Christ – bozo supreme
How touching, but I am a little concerned how the ACLU will view that. Does Obama shape his policy with prayer? That could be a problem.
KOWABUUUNNGGGAAAAAAAA ANGELO!!!! TELL THOSE LIBERALS MY FRIEND!!!
He SUCKS. Period. And, thank you, all you mindless cretins who gave this POS power. May you chew your tongues raw from utter frustration!
Have you guys given any thought to where you are going to move to once the President wins a second term? May I be so bold as to suggest a locale uneffected by climate change. Or any human activity for that matter. You know, one devoid of a governing political philosophy that you despise,people who you irrationally accuse of being things they are not and free to impose your religious fantasy’s one the rest of the population.
Like another planet. And speaking of which, all of you bloggers for Bush, how come his name is being avoided this time? Maybe he’s your savior in chief. Give Romney a call and make that suggestion. Might be just what his campaign needs. The slogan could be GWB and Me. An immoveable object meets a black hole and now that the Higgs Boson has been proved, Romney could attack that too! If it’s good science, it’s bad policy. And the President is responsible so blame him for mass-less energy morphing into matter.
Off your meds again, Mitch?
Spook, you beat me to it. This is a remarkably incoherent rant and ramble even for mitche. But it is kind of summary of what passes for a thought process on the far left fringes of the PL.
“speaking of which, all of you bloggers for Bush, how come his name is being avoided this time? “
Uh, maybe BECAUSE HE ISN’T RUNNING !!?????
An incoherent rant is free form association. My point about Bush is that it highly unusual for a candidate not to taut the previous President of the same party. Bush is not mentioned for specific reasons, none of which have anything to do with him not running.
And JR, I am not a “lefty”. In your dichotomous world, only opposites exist. There is no in between. I am a centrist and as such, I realize that in order to successfully navigate the ship of state, or any ship for that matter,the center of gravity has to be in the middle. A concept that you are dead set against. You probably deny gravity as well.
mitchie: “My point about Bush is that it highly unusual for a candidate not to taut the previous President of the same party. ”
Oh, yeah….. obAMATEUR just oozed with tauts for Clinton….
Get real mitch.
“You probably deny gravity as well.”
The Godfather of Global Warming Lovelock, as I posted over and over (and you predictably ignored) has stated that the “science” is not locked in and the predictions were inaccurate.
…. but you keep stating the doom and gloom predictions.
If only you would follow your own “advice”.
And JR, I am not a “lefty”.
Never said you were, Mitch. I’ve heard that some bi-polar meds can help with reading comprehension. What I said was, “You seem to be confused, Mitch. It’s Lefties who threaten to leave when they don’t get their way.” I think you’re just a sad, confused little boy who doesn’t know what he believes, made all the worse by the fact that most of the Conservatives here don’t fit the template of what you think Conservatism is. As someone previously noted, you’re cheap entertainment.
mitche, this is the second or third time you have used the word “taut” and I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Definition of TAUT
1
a : having no give or slack : tightly drawn b : high-strung, tense
2
a : kept in proper order or condition b (1) : not loose or flabby (2) : marked by economy of structure and detail
— taut·ly adverb
— taut·ness noun
The rope was drawn taut.
The book is a taut thriller.
Synonyms: rigid, tense, tight
Antonyms: lax, loose, slack
Related Words: firm, inflexible, stiff, tightened, unrelaxed, unyielding
Obama did not cite Clinton as an example of why we needed to elect another Democrat. Clinton did not use Carter as proof of why a Dem would be a better choice for the White House. George W. Bush ran on his own goals for his presidency, not those of Reagan or his father.
You say “I realize that in order to successfully navigate the ship of state, or any ship for that matter,the center of gravity has to be in the middle.” which sounds fine except in terms of politics it doesn’t make sense if you are in a country in which being “in the middle” means ignoring or defying the Constitution, which is, contrary to the beliefs of some, actually the law of the land and not some vague guideline for how one might govern.
There is either the Constitutional model of a federal government severely restricted as to size, scope and power, or there is central government unlimited by anything but the contemporary wishes of the people. One cannot move from the first to second very far before violating it.
This is why we should think it over and choose, not individual candidates but the actual underlying IDEOLOGY we feel is the best way to run the country, and then base all our electoral decisions on that choice.
And we need to understand that this is not the same as choosing which goals we want to achieve. It is merely choosing whether we want those goals met through Constitutional means, or by expanding the federal government beyond Constitutional boundaries.
What is lost in the background noise of political chatter and purposeful distraction is the simple fact that we all do, in fact, come very very close to each other—what one might call “the middle”—in what we want to accomplish. Our differences lie in how these goals should be met, and our choices narrow down to only 2—–within the current restrictions of our Constitution, which would mean at the state or local level or through private efforts, or by an unrestricted federal government.
I understand that Scroodinger doesn’t taut, but his cat is a tautin’ fool. Tautin’ here, tautin’ there, he’s famous for his tautin’.
When he tauts out in the potato patch, they call it tater tautin’.
Scroodinger, not so much………
Have you guys given any thought to where you are going to move to once the President wins a second term?
You seem to be confused, Mitch. It’s Lefties who threaten to leave when they don’t get their way. Most of us here survived Carter, so I figure we can survive just about anything. If the Obama campaign motivates enough moochers and takers to go to the polls and vote for more free guv’mint cheese, we’ll deal with it. This fight isn’t a one election cycle fight.
Now, what are you going to do if Obama loses?
Tired; in spite of all evidence to the contrary, clings to positions that are easily refutable through a variety of methods.
After the primary of ’08 was over, not only was Bill Clinton’s advise sought out and his appearances solicited but they still are today. He is also the most popular living ex-president. Oh, and his wife is Secretary of State and has done a remarkable job.
As far as science, doubt is not the same as uncertainty. 16 of the past 17 yrs have been the hottest on record. There have been tornadoes in January and in locations that have no historical precedent. There are 10’s of thousands of scientists who point to the obvious and can square their observations with their predictions and an increasingly fewer number of folks who scoff at the idea because of some political, business or religious ideology.
It’s pointless to argue with you about it because of your home burned down, or was flooded by rising sea levels or was washed away in a flood or was infested with insects that thrive in the heat and killed all the pine trees that produce oxygen and saw fish kills on a mass scale or saw photographic evidence of melting ice caps, you still wouldn’t accept it. And you know why? Because you are incapable of saying you were wrong and changing your mind about anything. This heat wave is no anomaly, no matter how hard you stamp your feet in protest. Fortunately the posters on this blog have no influence over anyone or any policy and all you do is reinforce your own misguided, biased opinions rooted in denial and ignorance.
There are 10′s of thousands of scientists who point to the obvious and can square their observations with their predictions and an increasingly fewer number of folks who scoff at the idea because of some political, business or religious ideology.
If that’s true, Mitch, then why is global warming DEAD LAST among a long list of global priorities? It no longer even rates as the number one environmental concern among Americans. You’d better get busy motivating all those “10’s of thousands of scientists” to wake people up before it’s too late. According to Al Gore we’ve only got 3-1/2 years before we pass the tipping point and it’s too late. FYI, we’re holding an End of the World Party in January, 2016. You’re not invited.
mitche IS even more incoherent than usual. Take this for example:
“of your home burned down, or was flooded by rising sea levels or was washed away in a flood or was infested with insects that thrive in the heat and killed all the pine trees that produce oxygen and saw fish kills on a mass scale or saw photographic evidence of melting ice caps, you still wouldn’t accept it. ”
??????????????
The pine bark beetle is a parasite that is rejected by healthy trees, which preys on weakened trees or by overpowering trees with sheer numbers. The reason the pine bark beetle population exploded in record numbers is because they were given a breeding ground of downed trees, in the hundreds of thousands, yet still with sap, where they could feed and reproduce with no limit. This feeding/breeding ground was provided by Leftist pseudo environmentalists who pitched such fits at the idea of free enterprise capitalism making a profit on public lands by coming in to harvest the trees downed in a huge microburst, whining about roads being cut and money being made to clean up the mess. The explosion of pine bark beetles had nothing to do with heat and everything to do with the obstructions of the pseudo environmentalists and their pressure on the Forest Service to not allow the trees to be removed, cut up and sold before they provided a breeding and feeding ground for these insects.
The massive numbers of pine bark beetles that resulted from this gift from the enviro-nazis enabled them to overcome the defenses of otherwise healthy trees, and particularly trees stressed by having so much competition for light and water due to other restrictions on forest management also imposed by these pretenders to the title of environmental protection.
Again, temperatures had nothing to do with it. Wrong-headed leftist politics had everything to do with it, enabled by weak politicians who allowed themselves to be herded into stupid and harmful decisions because of the nagging and threats from the allegedly environmental Left.
When forests were allowed to be “natural” they developed large amounts of forest debris—dead downed trees and branches, needles and leaves, pine cones, and dead or dying trees due to lack of sufficient light and water. When these forests burned, they burned hotter and longer at ground level, which killed all the remaining trees, sterilized the soil, and baked it into concrete hardness, so subsequent rainfall and snow melt could not sink in but ran off, dumping silt and ash into creeks and rivers, killing fish.
The fish kills were the direct result of the type of fires that swept through the forests, which were the direct result of the abandonment of proper forest management, which was at the insistence of the Left’s alleged environmental protectors. They had nothing to do with higher temperatures.
I don’t know what you seem to think is the issue with the alleged depletion of oxygen levels.
Not sure who or what has been “… flooded by rising sea levels..”
Your so-called”….. photographic proofs of melting ice caps…” probably consist of the infamous picture of the polar bear and her cubs on the small ice floe—–carefully edited to eliminate the other part of the picture, the massive ice ledge nearby. Some ice caps have shrunk, some have grown. It is a natural cycle.
“16 of the past 17 yrs have been the hottest on record”
No, they haven’t. I recently posted evidence that it took 147 years to break a heat record set in Denver. Temperatures rose about a degree F and then leveled off, not rising in the past decade. It is hotter in some places and cooler in others, and that will shift in a season or two.
“There have been tornadoes in January and in locations that have no historical precedent”
“No historical precedent” in how long? How long have people been keeping track?
“…an increasingly fewer number of folks who scoff at the idea because of some political, business or religious ideology….”
Not too hard to decrease the number of people who scoffed at the bad science for the reasons you gave, in your effort to sneakily reframe dissent in emotional terms instead of the solid scientific basis for rejecting the shrill sky-is-falling hysteria of the AGW crowd. I never knew or heard of anyone whose skepticism was based on political OR business OR religious ideology. It was just bad science, and much of IT was based on political agendas and faked data.
One of my favorite comments in your latest rant: Referring to Hillary Clinton, evidently apropos of AGW but who ever knows: “Oh, and his wife is Secretary of State and has done a remarkable job.”
Yes, remarkable. Particularly in the juvenile and clumsy “RESET” effort in which the childish ploy didn’t even use the right word. Fortunately most of the rest of her tenure has been marked by not doing anything rather than doing something blatantly stupid.
No surprise to see that “popularity” is what matters to you.
Except for the fact that there has been no measurable increase in global mean temperatures for more than 10 years, you’re definitely on to something with this global warming theory of yours.
mitchiethedeluded:”It’s pointless to argue with you about it because of your home burned down, or was flooded by rising sea levels or was washed away in a flood or was infested with insects that thrive in the heat and killed all the pine trees that produce oxygen and saw fish kills on a mass scale or saw photographic evidence of melting ice caps, you still wouldn’t accept it.”
Ramble much?
Obviously, you did not read Lovelock’s comments on how the conclusions were wrong. The “science” is not conclusive nor are the predictions accurate.
But you just keep on regurgitating the nonsense. Average global temperatures have been falling for the past 10 years, there has been no “heating”.
“There have been tornadoes in January and in locations that have no historical precedent.”
Considering we have only been cataloguing weather for only the past 100 years. How old is the Earth? A brief snapshot in time does not reveal anything of certainty. If someone observed you for one hour, could they describe your behavior for your entire life? Get real, mitchie.
Your “evidence” that you just presented has been debunked. For example, the melting glaciers and icecaps have been debunked. The pictures were of isolated areas, that appeared to be “melting” but I and others have presented evidence that the polar caps are thickening and ice breakers were endangered of being trapped in those northern caps.
The email scandal has revealed Global Warming (ie climate change) to be the scam that it is. Remember, these scientists are lining up for government grants and other private monies that want to push this crap. There are millions of dollars to be made here.
I guess you are one of the drones who Lovelock described as following “environmentalism” and the “crisis” as a RELIGION. Your faith in scientists and others who refuse to have the scientific debate is unshakable.
Sad for you.
BTW, you were speaking of McCain touting Bush and I was stating that obAMATEUR did NOT tout the last Democrat President. Now, desperation has set in. Funny thing though, Clinton torpedoed obAMATEUR, prepping the way for Hillary in 2016.
Ama. mitchie is a drone, no facts will sway him away from the mindless environmental alarmists role. I brought up the Lovelock interview to show him that the one who started it all is recanting the doom and gloom predictions and stating they are inaccurate. I just pointed out to him that mitchie hears only what he wants to hear and will deny everything he doesn’t want to. I had no idea he would still rant on the way he does.
Last time mitchie (I guess you will ignore this one too):
Yes Mitchie, as Amazona said before, you are GROSSLY uniformed. What is worse, you mindlessly regurgitate the proggy propaganda: “For yrs now, the right has railed against policemen, teachers and firefighters.”
ObAMATEUR defunded the arial fighting fleet and not the right. You know, the fleet that is so desperately needed in Colorado?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/colorados-epic-firestorm-reveals-danger-air-force-cuts_647897.html
BTW, Lovelock, the “godfather” of global warming said “IT’S NOW CLEAR THE DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS, INCLUDING HIS OWN (AND AL GORE’S) WERE INCORRECT.”
Other observations by Lovelock:
(1) A long-time supporter of nuclear power as a way to lower greenhouse gas emissions, which has made him unpopular with environmentalists, Lovelock has now come out in favour of natural gas fracking (which environmentalists also oppose), as a low-polluting alternative to coal.
(2) Lovelock blasted greens for treating global warming like a religion (like you have).
(3) Lovelock mocks the idea modern economies can be powered by wind turbines. (obAMATEUR’s “green energy” plan is a joke!!!! -which we knew all along).
(4) Finally, about claims “the science is settled” on global warming: “One thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth. You can only approach it and hope to get a bit nearer to it each time. You iterate towards the truth. You don’t know it.”
The link is in another thread. I did not want to post it again and have my post waiting in moderation since it was so easy to debunk your drivel.
You are so misinformed mitchie it is pathetic. It is you who are intellectually stagnant. Again your post is rife with dumbed down talking points and baseless ASSumptions.
That was too easy.
You know, one devoid of a governing political philosophy that you despise – Mitch
Actually democrats are currently governing a country that was founded on a political philosophy they despise – the constitution. We’re just trying to restore what used to be.
Mitch, if you’re a centrist, then Castro is a right winger. You can’t even admit the truth as to where your political leanings are son, so how in the world are we suppose to take you seriously? And the reason why Clinton is still around is because he is a media whore. He can’t handle being our of the limelight and injects himself into everything he can. Bush on the other hand is, and has always been, a very private person and is twice the man Clinton could ever dream of being. Republicans also are in no need of a previous politico to help them with anything as they have an incredibly strong bench including Ryan, West, Christie, Haley, Rubio, Ayotte, Jindal, etc. The democrats need Clinton because they really have no one else.
If he’s a media whore, then why is he so popular? And convincing?
$arah Palin is a media whore also. With no accomplishments other than being a cornucopia of hate and resentment. So what’s you point?
The people you describe are all extremists, with West leading the way. Has he identified these supposed “communists” yet? Ryan? Really? Chief architect of divisionist anarchy who’s budget fails even the most rudimentary budget scrutiny. Haley? What a joke. Barely scraped by an ethics probe and spends tax payer money on fancy trips to France. MY GOD!! FRANCE! Jindal makes the most bashful wall-flower look like a bi-polar extrovert.
But you keep on a’ hope’n. There’s got to be a pony in your room somewhere.
I seem to have fired you up. Why all the hate? I thought you were a centrist. Clinton and Palin are two of a kind in terms of being media whores, so good pick up on that, and Clinton is a likable guy, so there’s no surprise there re: his popularity, but you got want to read the Amateur by Joe Klein. I think your kidding yourself in how popular Obama is even amongst Democrats. I think ole Bill despises Obama, as to many others.
Re: the strong bench of the GOP – considering your irrational hatred directed towards them, I’d have to say they are doing the right things, and interesting that you didn’t counter with strong young liberals.
Wow. mitche has really nailed the Republicans on purely objective political criteria, hasn’t he?
Let’s see what passes for objective political criteria for mitche.
Dollar sign for the letter S in Sarah
Not outgoing enough
Goes to France
Accused of some ethics violation (but just accused—in the Brave New World of the New Left, this is the same as guilt, as we have also seen with George Zimmerman)
“architect of divisionist anarchy” (whatever that is supposed to mean)
“extremist”
“cornucopia of hate and resentment”
In other words, not a single syllable of actual political content, but a whole lot of spite and malice and hyper-emotional hate and loathing—which is really all mitche ever has to offer.
Not a hint of objection to a specific governing principle he finds objectionable, such as a belief in small government or a commitment to fiscal responsibility he finds offensive.
No, it’s all the kind of petty sliming we have come to expect the Left to offer up instead of actual political commentary.
And yet Mitch thinks he’s a centrist. LMAO
From The Atlantic Wire:
“On September 5, Renee Dudley’s article detailing Haley’s trip to Europe, “European vacation or legitimate business…” appeared on The Post and Courier’s Web site. “Gov. Nikki Haley’s weeklong trip to Europe in June in search of “jobs, jobs, jobs” cost South Carolinians more than $127,000,” wrote Dudley. “But the governor and her entourage of more than two dozen returned without any finished deals to bring new employers to the Palmetto State.” Dudley highlights the governor’s spending and lavish parties including quotes from the state’s Democratic officials that compare Haley to lavish spender Marie Antoinette.
(Dudley claims that) Haley, who captured the governor’s office preaching fiscal restraint, spent the cash so she, her husband and the rest of the state’s contingent could stay in five-star hotels; sip cocktails at the Paris Ritz; dine on what an invitation touted as “delicious French cuisine” at a swanky rooftop restaurant; and rub elbows with the U.S. Ambassador to France at his official residence near the French presidential palace.
Dudley also explains the governor’s evasiveness when pushed on these expenses:
Following repeated requests, Haley spokesman Rob Godfrey said Thursday he would “find three to five minutes” for a phone interview with the governor, but by Friday Godfrey said in an email “the governor is not available.” Godfrey said in the email that the governor had offered the newspaper an “exclusive opportunity to accompany the delegation” to Europe to “cover, first hand, the productivity of the trip.” The newspaper declined.
The Return Volley: Haley wrote a piece that appeared on the Post and Courier’s Web Site today entitled, “European trip a sound investment.” She writes, “The Sept. 4 Post and Courier article about the June trade and economic development meetings I attended in Europe painted a grossly inaccurate picture.” Haley defends her trip and wrote, “I spend a large part of every single day encouraging businesses to come to South Carolina. Economic development is a critically important job for any governor, and one I take very seriously… With nearly 11 percent unemployment in our state, every job matters, and I’ll fight for each one of them.” Haley adds, “Boeing is a major employer and investor in our state, and it had a large presence at the Paris conference; BMW, another large employer in our state, has its headquarters in Munich. I would have been remiss in my duties as governor if I did not put South Carolina’s best foot forward in those venues and meet with their key executive teams.” Haley also manages to squeeze a line in about Southern cuisine. “Now, none of this means that when we’re recruiting big dollars, we shouldn’t also watch our pennies,” she writes. “It’s fun for a reporter to write about an invitation that touts “delicious French cuisine,” but believe me, I’ll take South Carolina barbeque any day over French delicacies.”
In closing, she tackles the alleged cost of the trip and The Post and Courier’s accusations:
The fact is, we took care to cut our costs. We got BMW to provide transportation for a majority of the trip, saving taxpayers thousands. Each participating South Carolina economic development alliance contributed to the cost of the trip, thereby reducing state dollars. Our schedule was jam-packed with meetings from early morning until late at night. We invited The Post and Courier along to report on the entire trip and see for itself how we conducted ourselves. Unfortunately, it chose not to join us.
Economic development trips abroad don’t come up all that often, and in truth, they are just a small part of our ongoing, daily efforts to boost the South Carolina economy”
I see the clientele hasn’t changed…
KEEFER!! — Where the hell you been, son?
You people are exactly as I describe. Delusional, entrenched and out of touch.
The site you linked to Spook listed a prioritized concern: it was dated 2010 and didn’t address the reality of whether or not temps were rising. Just how concerned folks were about it over 2 yrs ago. I’ll take your “evidence” and raise it by an exponential factor of your choice.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/us-climate-official-says-more-extreme-events-convincing-many-americans-climate-change-is-real/2012/07/06/gJQAHNZ5QW_story.html
Mitch,
The issue of global warming is ruse to keep people like you worried and distracted over a non event. It has always boggled my mind how anyone can think that we have adversely affected the climate of a planet that is hundreds of millions of years old considering that we really only got started emitting carbon less than 100 years ago. But of course we do live on a living organism, the earth, which has a life all to itself, and we are kidding ourselves if we think we can change the climate to the better, assuming that the warming is real. Japanese scientists are saying that the warming is over and we are entering a cooling period, and many scientists also are very critical of AGW, so who really knows. There is certainly not enough data to come to any conclusion, but have you noticed that the liberal governments who are selling this garbage wants more of your money to fix the problem. Why is it always about money for you guys? If you could just tax more people everything would be great, right?
Oddly, I do agree with a few of the things you mentioned. But we can’t pump hundreds of billions of tons of gas, heat and emissions into the atmosphere and expect it not to have an effect. But to deny that the climate is changing, and the extreme weather which is getting more and more common is “normal” is simply delusional. You don’t want to believe it because science is liberal.
mitchiethedeluded:” But we can’t pump hundreds of billions of tons of gas, heat and emissions into the atmosphere and expect it not to have an effect.”
The only proven affect it will have is that it will be a resource needed for plants to create its food and oxygen. Water vapor is more of a “greenhouse gas” than CO2 is – basic scientific fact.
“But to deny that the climate is changing, and the extreme weather which is getting more and more common is “normal” is simply delusional. You don’t want to believe it because science is liberal.”
To bad the Godfather of Global Warming – Lovelock – doesn’t see it the way you do. The climate change is not what we are denying – it is the CAUSE of the change. A CAUSE that has not been proven – as Lovelock has also stated.
You need a new set of talking points there mitchie, preferably not the dumbed down ones you have been using.
Mitch,
Here’s what climate alarmists have been reduced to:
The shrill hysterical Sky-Is-Falling crowd makes wild-eyed claims about this or that or the other “DESTROYING” the environment, creating catastrophic climate change, etc. but they completely ignore the forces of Nature that have, over the eons, dumped far more, far more toxic, gases and pollutants into the air than all of mankind since our industrial age began, to no long-term detriment to the climate or the Earth.
Forest fires dump so many millions of tons of ash and other debris, smoke and chemical byproducts of combustion, into the atmosphere that they far outstrip the output of mankind. And the Earth recovers.
Volcanoes are probably the most destructive of all natural forces, spewing not only ash and smoke into the air but a variety of toxic gases, and this has been going on for the lifetime of the Earth.
“Eruptions from an underwater Volcano near the Canary Island of El-Hierro have released toxic gases which have killed wildlife, and led to a coastal evacuation.” is only one very recent example.
From the Natural Disasters website:
Volcanic activity can produce toxic gas, lava flows, lahars, and earthquakes. History shows us that these hazards can by deadly.
One volcano can produce a variety of volcanic hazards when erupting. Some volcanic hazards can happen when there isn’t even an eruption. The more that is known about volcanic hazards, the better prepared communities, who are at risk from these hazards, can be.
There are seven types of hazards associated with volcanoes:
• Toxic gas emissions
• Lahars
• Ash columns and flows
• Lava flows
• Earthquakes
• Tsunamis
• Landslides
Toxic Gases
Toxic gas emissions are produced when magma rises and gases that are trapped within the magma at depth are released. It works very similarly to carbonation being released when a bottle of soda is opened.
The two most common gases released when magma ascends is (sic) sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide. Sulfur dioxide can float high into the atmosphere and mix with water vapor to form sulfuric acid. When it rains, this sulfuric acid comes down with the rain, ruining crops and destroying farms. Carbon dioxide can be lethal to humans and livestock, as it is heavy and usually stays close to the ground.”
I recommend http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/060910gas/ for a very good article on the fact that even serious emissions of toxic gases have no long-term effects.
From the article: (emphasis mine)
” In the summer of 1783 many writers recorded the ‘dry fog’ across large areas of Europe from Aberdeen to Naples and even across the Mediterranean to Malta and Tripoli. This dry fog was formed from the gaseous emissions of the Laki Fissure eruption in Iceland, which had been transported through the atmosphere by air circulation patterns and concentrated near the earth’s surface.
Sulphur gas emissions from the Laki Fissure eruption were amongst the greatest of the Holocene and it is thought that 60% of the c. 90-190 million tons of sulphur emitted by this event were discharged into the troposphere.
….. a hypothesis that used the events of 1783 to support the suggestion of catastrophic change induced by volcanogenic air pollution in the archaeological record is not immune from these contextual considerations and should be constructed with extreme caution. This can be illustrated when we consider the events of the year dispassionately.
1. Despite the descriptions of crop destruction in many parts of Europe, there were no agricultural crises; in fact rather the opposite was the case, as high temperatures and ample rainfall induced a bumper crop in many areas.
2. While some fragments of society clearly saw the hand of the supernatural in these events, community leaders did not, and took steps to calm the populace; the role of community leaders in archaeological contexts would be equally important.
3. Illness and mortality induced by the poor air quality was patchy, and any alarm generated appears to have been entirely local. It may also be telling, that, despite the continental scale of the event and the impact that the dry fog had at the time, there is no evidence that this event entered folk memory to be remembered as a time of stress or hazard.”
We need to remember, when we hear strident bleating about the damage done to our planet by mankind, two things:
One is that yes, we do have a responsibility to be good stewards of the planet, to be responsible, to try to avoid damaging the Earth, and to use our natural resources wisely.
The other is that the ginned-up AGW hysteria has, not an ecological foundation, but a political one, being used to attack capitalism and advance the growth of government size and control.
The site you linked to Spook listed a prioritized concern: it was dated 2010 and didn’t address the reality of whether or not temps were rising. Just how concerned folks were about it over 2 yrs ago.
And they are even less concerned today (well, OK, 2 months ago).
The 2010 article I used was just the first one I ran across, as, quite frankly, you’re not really worth any more effort than that. Let’s face it, Mitch, only intelligence challenged individuals like you still believe in this fraud after 25 years, during which the ONLY evidence of a catastrophic problem is still just computer models, and fraudulently manipulated computer models at that.
Mitch,
In 1982, approx 85% of US households paid income taxes. Today, that number is approx 47%. We also have 1 in 7 Americans receiving food stamps, approximately 45% of all households receive some form of government assistance, and the number of disability claims outnumbered the people newly employed for the month of June 2012, and the current labor participation rate is at an all time low. This is despite the 40 year war, and a trillion dollards spent on eradicating poverty initiated by liberals.
Now, you tell me, are we headed in the right direction?
No Cluster, we are not headed in the right direction. But the policies of the right have in large part contributed to the current state of affairs and to try to convince the public to give the right another chance is an excersize in futility. I don’t have the data in front of me, but I could provide said that will show things were far better off over the past 30yrs under a democrat. Of course, if you deny that Clinton left a surplus and business was booming during his administration I won’t bother. You despise anything that even hints at being “liberal”. Part of the problem is that the Republican party has shifted so far to the right, and the ethnic make up of the population has changed so much that it is going to be almost impossible for Romney to convince a majority to vote for him. He is not specific about anything, he has alienated minorities; especially Latinos, and women in general have a negative opinion of him. He’s like Scroodingers Cat. You don’t know what you’ve got until you open the box and that opening changes what’s in there. He’s more of a robot than any comedian made light of Reagan being. Speaking of Reagan, he would be as shunned from today’s conservatives as I would.
The problem you have is that you are static. You refuse to accept reality and become angry about it and then you, like the rest on this site, pull out the only quiver you have and call people names or disparage their character and their intelligence. People who think like you are dying out. The Koch brothers are wasting their time. Grover Norquist has lost his power to intimidate. Voter supression is behind the Holder witch hunt. Obama killed Osama and saved the auto industry. If the President is for it, the right is against it. Even if it their own ideas; like the individual mandate which passed constitutional muster by a Bush picked conservative whom Obama voted against. Face facts pal, the country has changed. America: love it or leave it.
“Scroodingers Cat.”
SCROODINGER’S CAT!!!!!
SCROODINGER’S CAT!!!!!
A classic, it may replace “turret syndrome”
I’m sending this off to sooooo many people!
SCROODINGER’S CAT!!!!!
Was that suppose to be political commentary? Because it came across as just another juvenile personal attack on people and ideas you don’t understand. You hit all the scary things – Koch bros, War on women, and minorities, blah,, blah, blah.. Unfortunately for you Mitch, the vast majority of Amaericans aren’t nearly as stupid as you are and can see right through these contrived issues. As for me, I actually voted for Clinton in 1996, mainly because I detested Bob Dole, so I am probably not at all who you think I am. The problem is that the current democratic party is so far left, that the only base Obama has left are celebrities, the media, large donors and stupid people like you.
Romney will win so you might want to start preparing yourself for a good cry.
Koch brothers
witch hunt
surplus
robot
Grover Norquist
Obama killed Osama
saved auto industry
love it or leave it
SCROODINGER’S CAT!!!!!
The hilarity mounts with each shrilly hysterical nugget of insanity
SCROODINGER’S CAT!!!!!
OK, that does it! I am getting another cat just so I can name it Scroodinger.
LOL
Well, figure the odds you’d find two references to Schroedinger’s cat in one day – but, its there. From Iowahawk:
Yeah, but I want to know what Hawking thinks of SCROODINGER’S cat!
Schroedinger’s Cat is sooooooo—-yesterday.
Wow mitchie, you got every leftist dumbed down talking point and conspiracy theory in that post.
I see you haven’t forgotten how to copy and paste.
Again, you confuse “classic liberal” with “modern liberal” – well that lends to the fact that you are grossly uninformed as SEVERAL of us have pointed out and proved.