You Didn’t Build That – Redux

I want to further the conversation on the current issue of business vs government as recently defined by our President who no doubt has a healthy disdain for success, in my opinion. I believe that this issue is one of the fundamental differences between conservative and liberal thought. Liberals, or at least the majority of current progressives, believe in social justice engineered by a large central federal government, taking from those at the top of the economic ladder and distributing to those on the lower rungs. This is hardly a new concept and has been done numerous times throughout history with little success. It has never resulted in lifting people out of poverty, nor has it resulted in creating a higher standard of living, or brought out the best in any individual. It has only served to enrich a ruling class at the expense of a permanent under class. What’s frustrating from a conservative position is that if you oppose the progressive agenda, than you are an evil over lord without any compassion, when in reality, conservatives do care, and have much more effective ideas on how to administer safety nets to those truly in need.

When the President stated that if you had a successful business, you didn’t build it and that others did, he offered a genuine glimpse into his true ideology, and that is one of collectivism. Of course this should be expected from someone who has never been a part of private enterprise having never started a business, nor even managed one, and yet has been the recipient of the benevolence of others almost at every stage of his life. Obama fails to understand the financial risk that so many people take to start their own business and be independent. If that individual fails, will the collectivists be there to off set the losses? I hardly think so, but the collectivists are sure there to take from that individuals success now aren’t they? Considering that business’s and successful individuals pay the majority of income taxes, it can be easily argued that they are largely responsible for building that infrastructure that others enjoy. It can easily be argued that without successful business’s, the government would not have the money to build those roads that those who don’t pay income taxes use on daily basis, so really, who should be more grateful? Shouldn’t the 47% who pay no income tax be grateful that hard working Americans provide the funds to build that infrastructure that they benefit from? Shouldn’t the president and other elected government officials be grateful to hard working, risk taking Americans for paying their salaries and benefits?  I really believe that this President and most liberals have their priorities all screwed up, and have put the cart before the horse.

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31 thoughts on “You Didn’t Build That – Redux

  1. tiredoflibbs July 21, 2012 / 3:53 pm

    The latest piece of propaganda (LIES) from the obAMATEUR team claims that Mitt Romney is “launching a false attack” on their Messiah. Then the ad cuts to Mitt Romney reading Obama’s quote, “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” which as we know is exactly what the obAMATEUR said.

    Then the obAMATEUR propaganda ad then states, “The only problem? That’s not what he said.” with more video showing the obAMATEUR saying, “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.”

    This really is very clever. You play Romney quoting Obama .. then you say “The only problem? That’s not what he said” followed by the clip of Obama talking about teachers. Now — to the typical mindless drone hell bent on voting for Obama, this absolutely makes it seem that Romney misquoted Obama. The drones here were saying, in the original thread, that obAMATEUR was being misquoted and this blog was lying.

    It goes to show you what the average obAMATEUR voter is – a mindless dupe who will guzzle the kool-aid because their American Idol of a pResident said so.

    Pathetic.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-ad-accuses-romney-launching-false-attack-quoting-obama_648762.html

  2. dennis July 21, 2012 / 5:43 pm

    Let’s look at Obama’s “you didn’t build that” remark, and pay attention to what was said just before and after those words.

    “Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business – you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

    When Obama said “you didn’t build that” he was referencing this “American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.” You didn’t build those roads and bridges. Somebody else built them.

    Immediately afterward he cited the Internet: Guess what – if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build the internet either – somebody else did that too.

    In Obama’s speech the Internet is part and parcel with the roads and bridges and the American system previously referenced. He wasn’t talking about individual businesses when he said “you didn’t build that.” How can we know this? Because in the very next paragraph he said, “The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

    And there you have it. You didn’t build the infrastructure that allowed your business to thrive. Of course you built your own business – but it took a bunch of other people’s efforts to create the larger system that allows your business to exist and function.

    This has nothing to do with either defending, agreeing or disagreeing with Obama. It has to do with basic honesty. Anyone who has learned how to diagram sentences, or analyze grammar and paragraph structure, certainly anyone who has taken a course in basic logic should have no problem seeing this.

    • Retired Spook July 21, 2012 / 6:54 pm

      In Obama’s speech the Internet is part and parcel with the roads and bridges and the American system previously referenced. He wasn’t talking about individual businesses when he said “you didn’t build that.” How can we know this? Because in the very next paragraph he said, “The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

      That’s interesting, Dennis. I had the same initial reaction because I knew Obama was not speaking from a teleprompter, and when he speaks off the cuff, he often doesn’t speak in diagrammed sentences. Let’s assume that he meant it exactly the way you think he did, and, given Obama’s inability to speak coherently without his TP, I don’t think that’s necessarily a given; but assuming you’re right — who paid for the infrastructure? Considering that the top 10%, who are disproportionately business owners and entrepreneurs, pay the lion’s share of the taxes, then it is the very people who benefit from the infrastructure who are paying for most of it. So, while they may not have personally participated in the creation of those things, without their substantial tax dollars, there WOULD BE NO INFRASTRUCTURE.

      Anyone who has learned how to diagram sentences, or analyze grammar and paragraph structure, certainly anyone who has taken a course in basic logic should have no problem seeing this.

      I would agree with you 100% if he had said, “Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges — you didn’t build [those]. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. If you have a business you benefited from all those things.”

      But instead, he stuck the part about “if you have a business” right in the middle, and then he referred to multiple things (roads and bridges) with the singular “that” instead of “those”. I submit, anyone who “learned how to diagram sentences” would NOT necessarily arrive at the conclusion that you did. Also, as has been noted in the previous thread on this subject, the Internet DID NOT GET INVENTED by government research so that all the companies could make money off it. That is, at best a gross misrepresentation, and, at worst, a bald-faced lie.

      For a great communicator, Obama doesn’t communicate very well, unless someone else writes what he’s going to say and puts it in front of him on a screen.

      • casper July 21, 2012 / 8:02 pm

        Spook,
        While the top 10% may have paid for a good portion of the infrastructure, most of the actual work was done by the bottom 90%. Without their labor, there WOULD BE NO INFRASTRUCTURE.

    • dbschmidt July 21, 2012 / 8:42 pm

      Which came first & who paid for them Dennis?
      Horse & Buggy / Automobiles or the Federal Highway System?

      DARPA (who everyone pays for) is the founder of the internet. Original intent for decades was military. After expiration–Colleges and private enterprise paid the rest of the haul in order to convert something the taxpayers had already paid for into what lets you expose your crap here today.

  3. casper July 21, 2012 / 7:02 pm

    “When the President stated that if you had a successful business, you didn’t build it and that others did, he offered a genuine glimpse into his true ideology, and that is one of collectivism.”

    As Dennis pointed out, that’s not what the president said. He is not pushing for collectivism. He is pointing out that those of us that are successful, are successful because we have taken advantage of the opportunities this country has provided. Good for us. It would be nice if everyone had the same opportunities.

    • Amazona July 21, 2012 / 7:09 pm

      Who doesn’t have access to the same opportunities?

      And more to the point, why?

      What opportunities?

    • Amazona July 21, 2012 / 7:12 pm

      And BTW, everything the president DOES is pushing toward collectivism. You don’t think Obamacare is collectivist? You don’t think handing GM equity to the unions was a reward for collectivism? You don’t think invading state sovereignty is collectivist? You don’t think “When we spread the wealth around we all benefit” is a collectivist notion?

      • casper July 21, 2012 / 7:33 pm

        If you want to call the President a collectivist, go for it. I know how you love to label people. Personally, I disagree.

      • Cluster July 21, 2012 / 8:21 pm

        Casper,

        How can you come to any other conclusion? He told Joe the Plumber that everyone benefits when the wealth is spread around, he told the Hispanic caucus to punish their enemies, he advertises food stamps to seniors, he signed universal health care into law, and he nationalized the student loan program. How would you label that?

      • casper July 21, 2012 / 8:35 pm

        Cluster July 21, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

        Casper,

        “How can you come to any other conclusion? He told Joe the Plumber that everyone benefits when the wealth is spread around,”

        Money circulating in the economy is far more valuable than money sitting in an offshore account somewhere.

        “he told the Hispanic caucus to punish their enemies,”

        By voting them out of office. How is that collectivist?

        “he advertises food stamps to seniors,”

        Helping out old people on fixed incomes is bad?

        ” he signed universal health care into law,”

        With most of the money going to private insurance companies.

        “and he nationalized the student loan program.”

        He cut out the middle man saving students and the government money.

        “How would you label that?”

        A good job.

      • Amazona July 21, 2012 / 8:36 pm

        Of course casper disagrees. But then casper has never been able, or at least willing, to commit to anything. He just disagrees a lot.

        Note that he doesn’t disagree with anything SPECIFIC. No, he just kind of in general, around the edges, disagrees, while trying to slam me at the same time.

        But the slam is the same old whine, which tries to make it an insult to stand for something and know what you stand for, and a virtue to drift aimlessly nudged by emotion and avoiding all “labels”.

      • Amazona July 21, 2012 / 8:46 pm

        Give up, cluster. casper is the squishiest, wobbliest, squirmiest guy around.

        For example, rather than addressing the legal issue of federal food stamps, based on discussions of the enumerated duties of the federal government and the restrictions on its size, scope and power, and the 10th Amendment assignment of charity to the states or to the People, he just comes back with “Helping out old people on fixed incomes is bad?” (I guess if he doesn’t actually USE the introductory “SO” this is not the same tired old tactic he loves so much.)

        It is what he does, it is who he is, and he is known for this spineless simpering of collectivist platitudes. I challenged him to a debate once and he weaseled out of it by insisting that any REAL “debate” simply HAD to be held according to high school debate rules. ?????

        He squirms out of any effort to pin him down and then comes simpering back with his passive-aggressive sniping.

      • Cluster July 21, 2012 / 9:09 pm

        And true to form, Casper doesn’t answer the question directly..he may think that all those actions by Obama may be good, he can not deny that they are collectivist in nature. Telling Hispanics to punish their enemies Casper, assumes that Hispanics all want the same things from government, hence collectivist.

      • casper July 21, 2012 / 9:44 pm

        “Cluster July 21, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

        And true to form, Casper doesn’t answer the question directly..he may think that all those actions by Obama may be good, he can not deny that they are collectivist in nature.”

        I broke your question into parts and answered each one. And yes I deny that they are collectivist in nature.

        Telling Hispanics to punish their enemies Casper, assumes that Hispanics all want the same things from government, hence collectivist.”

        So if Romney asks voters to to for him I guess that means he assumes that all voters want the same things from government, which makes him a collectivist.

  4. watsonredux July 21, 2012 / 8:21 pm

    Of course Mitt Romney’s ad is bogus and dishonest. It is dishonest for the simple reason that it edited what President Obama said and made the edit sound as though that is what he said verbatim, with no words in between. That is dishonest, no two ways about it.

    Here’s the full quote, with the part used in Romney’s ad in bold (if I don’t mess up the html):

    There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

    The we have the spectacle of Mitt Romney attacking President Obama by saying very nearly the same thing:

    “He said this, ‘If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.’ That somebody else is government in his view. He goes on to describe the people who deserve the credit for building this business, and of course he describes people who we care very deeply about, who make a difference in our lives: schoolteachers, firefighters, people who build roads. We need those things. We value schoolteachers, firefighters, people who build roads. You really couldn’t have a business if you didn’t have those things, but you know, we pay for those things. The taxpayers pay for government. It’s not like government just provides those to all of us and we say ‘Aw, thank you, government for doing those things.’ No, in fact, we pay for them, and we benefit from them, and we appreciate the work that they do, and the sacrifices that are done by people who work in government, but they did not build this business.”

    How long has Mitt Romney been running for president? Six years? And he still can’t differentiate himself from his opponent when he has to, you know, talk about his positions. That is, when he is willing to commit himself to a position.

    • Cluster July 21, 2012 / 8:30 pm

      Two things my dear Watson,

      First, I remember an Obama ad that quoted Romney as saying “I like to fire people” – which was also taken completely out of context, so please stop whining. Politics isn’t for the weak hearted, or the hyper sensitive.

      Secondly, you should go to Romney’s website and read maybe just his tax policy positions. I think you will see that they are in stark contrast to Obama’s.

    • tiredoflibbs July 21, 2012 / 8:42 pm

      wow, watty I see you guzzle the kool-aid just like any other drone.

      You quoted Romney quoting obAMATEUR perfectly AND ACCURATELY!

      obAMATEUR said what he said. If he did not say it, his handlers would not have gone into damage control mode and hand you (and the rest of the drones) the talking points you just regurgitated.

      It is simply sad to see such mindless drones at work. obAMATEUR LIES in an ad about Romney. obAMATEUR plays the quote from a different part of the speech and you fell for it! The problem is HE SAID IT! You just copy and pasted it! Then you regurgitate the damage control!!!

      Pathetic!

      It is not our fault that obAMATEUR cannot speak coherently without a teleprompter! But as Spook accurately pointed out, the damage control doesn’t fit what obAMATEUR said.

      You really need to stop making a fool of yourself.

    • dbschmidt July 21, 2012 / 8:51 pm

      Hey there Watson & Casper,

      Since they built all of these wonderment’s so my pitiful little business could “thrive”–how much of the supposed government treasure chest did they spend?

      How much money (in real dollar terms) does the US Government have?

  5. dbschmidt July 21, 2012 / 8:36 pm

    Three things comes to mind as I revisit this “discussion”;

    Class Warfare: My entire family has paid taxes even since they have set foot in this country which helped build the infrastructure, not exclusive of the physical work they also did while paying taxes–so as I pay additional taxes now for the maintenance of the infrastructure and some I never use again like K-12 schools any longer–Obama is just trying to pit class against class. Either that or he believes that the poor who pay no Federal taxes overall should not be allowed access to those Federal projects (whopping 1.2% of Federal spending BTW) Same with State and County projects.

    Inept or Lying:Back to the first point is that most people should be smart enough to realize that the majority of what Obama is decrying are city, county, and State taxes–not Federal. Idiot in Chief or Liar in Chief, we may never know; however, since he plagiarized Warren~he is also our first 1/64 part Native American President.

    November (actually January 2013) can not come soon enough.

    Oh, and by the way (BTW) Casper–you are an idiot ~ Federal projects come out of Federal funds as do State, etc. Without the 90% is a new level of utter stupidity even for you. For example: Interstate highway and the internet are both Federal DoD projects. Intrastate highways are State funded. Local roads and postal routes are a mix.

    Something like if everyone was was rich the entire population would die off because we all know rich people do not know how to, or will not do, anything. They would stop cleaning and cooking and well, they really do not work–just exploit others and there would be no one left to exploit.

    • casper July 21, 2012 / 8:42 pm

      dbschmidt,
      I wasn’t referring to how the projects are paid for. I was referring to who does the actual work to build and maintain them.

      • tiredoflibbs July 21, 2012 / 8:57 pm

        obAMATEUR 2008 convention acceptance speech:

        “And that’s to be expected, because if you don’t have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

        If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.”
        http://uspolitics.about.com/od/speeches/a/obama_accept_5.htm

        If only obAMATEUR could see the irony in his actions today. He has no record. As we have seen no “fresh ideas”. The economy and his failed “ideas” are proof of that.

        So he has resorted to tactics to scare voters. He is making the case as to why to not vote for Romney and that he needs more time to finish what he started (whatever that is).

        So I guess since I quoted obAMATEUR, I am falsely attacking him as well.

  6. tiredoflibbs July 21, 2012 / 8:44 pm

    obAMATEUR: “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

    Can’t get any clearer than that! No amount of spin or outright lies can change its meaning.

    • dennis July 21, 2012 / 9:12 pm

      Tiredoflibbs says concerning Obama: “He is making the case as to why to not vote for Romney.”

      Hey, can’t get any clearer than that – Obama is making his case, that’s great to hear.

      Those were tired’s exact words, so I guess we can quote him on that.

      • tiredoflibbs July 21, 2012 / 9:25 pm

        Yep denny, you can copy and paste pieces of what I said. But I see you still have the inability to a) take the whole context or b) connect the dots.

        “If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.”

        Yes, quoting obAMATEUR I was pretty clear. Too bad, you can’t comprehend such simple words. I guess I’ll have to spell it out for you AGAIN – obAMATEUR is making the case as to why not to vote for Romney (“paint your opponent as someone the people should run from”).

        Why? Because, obAMATEUR has no record to run on. You really need to stick with photography and stained glass. Anything else is way too complicated for you.

      • dennis July 21, 2012 / 9:50 pm

        Tired, just like you can copy and paste pieces of what Obama said. But apparently you still have the inability to a) take the whole context or b) connect the dots.

        Sorry if your head is spinning, but thank you for making my point for me.

      • tiredoflibbs July 21, 2012 / 10:16 pm

        Yeah, denny, the point you tried to make was that I was clear and that you could quote me. Yes I did “speak” clearly and you did quote me! (even though you ignored the first half of my statement and slight misrepresent what I said).

        Wohoo! I quoted the FACT that obAMATEUR had no record and was trying to convince the voter to run away from Romney rather than run to HIM for his pResidential accomplishments.

        Now that your head is spinning for affirming what I said and quoting me accurately, stating that obAMATEUR has nothing on which to run, I am sure you had no intention of acknowledging those facts.

        Thanks for playing!

  7. dbschmidt July 21, 2012 / 10:50 pm

    Now the Left is clambering for Romney to release his tax records as most of his other records are already public knowledge. Things like;

    Release your tax records?

    He has released a year of his, his wife’s and his corporate taxes at this point but the Lefties couldn’t find any gotchas in them so they need more. How about we trade for his returns (exactly the same amount as Obama–then Obama releases all of his records (as Romney has done) for College, etc. including all of those with transactions on his house (exceptional deal that no one else could have done shy of Resco [convicted felon nonetheless]), and all documents to Fast & Furious as a start

    Tell us what you really did at Bain Capital

    “None of the SEC filings show that Romney was anything but a passive, absentee owner during that time, as both Romney and Bain have long said. It should not surprise anyone that Romney retained certain titles while he was working out the final disposition of his ownership…”
    –FactCheck.org

    or maybe Bain Managing Director Steve Pagliuca who was speaking on record to CNN.

    Is there anything other than the SEC filings to suggest a hands-on Romney role at Bain post-February 1999?

    No is the word from four sources who communicated with CNN on Thursday — all of whom have firsthand knowledge of Bain’s operations at the time in question. Three of the four are Democrats, and two of the four are active Obama supporters in Campaign 2012.

    All four told me Romney is telling the truth.

    Only one, Bain Managing Director Steve Pagliuca, would talk on the record. The others spoke only on condition of anonymity, citing either Bain’s low-key culture or the desire not to anger friends in the Obama campaign.

    Pagliuca, a Democrat who unsuccessfully ran for Senate in 2010, told CNN: “Mitt Romney left Bain Capital in February 1999 to run the Olympics and has had absolutely no involvement with the management or investment activities of the firm or with any of its portfolio companies since the day of his departure.”

    Can not remember the third inane “question” of Mr. Beckel but this is a start.

    • dbschmidt July 21, 2012 / 10:53 pm

      It is time Obama is forced to come clean but yet again–like his record–there is nothing to see except failure and ill gotten gains through outright disregard for the laws of this country.

      If I had a “record” like his–I would be running away from it as well.

    • neocon1 July 22, 2012 / 1:12 pm

      ROTFLMAO

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