Are we going to let this stand?

In a speech published on his website Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the ultimate goal of world forces must be the annihilation of Israel.

Ahmadinejad is a despicable little man with a healthy inferiority complex and of whom poses a serious threat to world peace and stability. Obama missed a huge opportunity in 2009, which unfortunately resulted in Neda’s death, and chose to side with the tyrannical despot, rather than stand with the student uprising and with freedom. Couple that with Obama inspiring the Arab Spring, which hasn’t turned out well, and you start to get an idea of why Ahmadinejad feels so emboldened.

It’s time once again that we assert American power, stand strong for individual liberty and freedom, and put these tyrants back on notice that their misogynistic and oppressive days are over.

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64 thoughts on “Are we going to let this stand?

  1. neocon1 August 2, 2012 / 2:06 pm

    YES, as long as we have a kenyan muslim pResident.

  2. Amazona August 2, 2012 / 2:07 pm

    Yet we will still have people claiming that Iran poses no threat to us or to the world.

    Jews are not the only “enemy” of Ahmadinejad’s faction of radial Islam, they are just at the top of the list. Next is the eeeeevil of Western civilization.

    And the loss of Muslim lives is of no consequence, as they would then merely be martyrs to a greater cause and contribute to the blood in the streets and the chaos and mayhem that are called for to set the stage for the coming of the 12th Imam and the rise to world dominance of Islam.

    And, no doubt, to the establishment of Ahmadinejad as the greatest prophet of Islam since Mohammed, the one who brought about the victory of Islam over all infidels.

    Just because his motivation is not one that makes sense to us does not make it any less dangerous.

    • neocon1 August 2, 2012 / 2:19 pm

      we still have our weenie libs peeing their pants over Iraq, do you really think they would be for a war with Iran?

      Of course most libs I know hate the Jews, so that is even more reason not to prevent iran from going nuclear.

      • patriotdad1 August 2, 2012 / 6:18 pm

        Yeah, cause there’s no such thing as Jewish liberals. You need to get out more.

      • neocon1 August 2, 2012 / 6:49 pm

        unpartiotdaddi

        you apparently have been away to tora bora again, never hear of the OWS? NOI? NBPP? KKK?, je$$e and hymie town? al $harpTON? and the rise of anti antisemitism on college campuses? mmmm?

        although for the life of me i cant figure why AMERICAN Jews still support the party that hates them but still uses them for votes……

      • J. R. Babcock August 2, 2012 / 11:13 pm

        although for the life of me i cant figure why AMERICAN Jews still support the party that hates them but still uses them for votes……

        Maybe for the same reason they thought the gas chambers at Auschwitz were showers.

    • bozo August 3, 2012 / 5:59 am

      “Yet we will still have people claiming that Iran poses no threat to us or to the world.” Links, please.

      Here’s what I see today:

      In an election year, U.S. lawmakers were determined to punish Iran while sending a strong signal of support to Israel amid fears about the Iranian threat to the close Mideast ally. In a separate move, President Barack Obama used his executive authority to impose fresh sanctions on foreign banks in China and Iraq that the U.S. says helps Iran evade the penalties.

      And:

      “The Democratic and Republican leaders in the Senate said Tuesday they expect swift passage of the latest package of sanctions after a House vote tentatively scheduled for Wednesday.

      The measure has one crucial backer — the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the pro-Israel lobbying group — and extensive support from Republicans and Democrats.”

      And:

      “This is not about containment,” Mr. Panetta told reporters at the start of his meeting with Mr. Peres. “This is about making very clear that they are never going to be able to get an atomic weapon.”

      There is this:

      Israel may bomb soon because “Mr. Netanyahu feels…that if Mr. Romney were to win, the new president would be unlikely to want to take on a big military action early in his term”

      So, strategically, if you want Israel to bomb now and the U.S. to actually join in immediately thereafter, vote Obama. If you want Israel to bomb now, but chaos and indecision to reign for a year or two before America joins in, vote Romney. Either way, hold on to those IMC stocks. They’re going through the roof.

      • tiredoflibbs August 3, 2012 / 6:42 am

        Speaking of losing the war on stupidity, we have this little gem from the creepy assclown:
        Amazona:“Yet we will still have people claiming that Iran poses no threat to us or to the world.”

        Creepy assclown: “Links, please.”

        Wow!! Are you that useless that you cannot search “Iran poses no threat” on your own?

        Hint: When you do, you will receive all the links you want!

        Talk about intellectual dishonesty!!! You are too afraid to find the answers yourself!!!

        The war on stupidity has another casualty. You can count yourself along with denny.

        Pathetic.

      • bozo August 3, 2012 / 9:32 am

        I did as you suggested, and came up with a whole bunch of THIS. So by “people claiming that Iran poses no threat to us or to the world” you really meant Deputy Chief of Staff of Iran’s Armed Forces for Operational Affairs Brigadier General Mostafa Salami claimed Iran is no threat to Oman.

        I guess that’s the same thing.

  3. GMB August 2, 2012 / 3:44 pm

    Sooner or later the Iranians will come out to play. They will do something stupid and this will happen again.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/praying_mantis.htm

    It will probably start before barkys occupancy ends. Lets pray that the Israelis can take advantage of the chaos and put an end to achmed and his dreams of mushroom clouds.

    • neocon1 August 2, 2012 / 4:52 pm

      GMB

      we bad, we bad uhhuh!

  4. Casper August 2, 2012 / 8:49 pm

    So let me get this straight. You want to go to war because a nutcase in the Middle
    east is threatening another country (a country that has done a pretty good job of defending itself). Good thing you guys aren’t in charge.

    • Cluster August 2, 2012 / 9:23 pm

      Casper, show me where I said I wanted to go to war. And this is more than just a threat. Calling for the annihilation of another country that poses no imminent threat towards your own, is something that needs to be taken seriously. And this threat was issued with confidence because people like you HAVE been in charge.

      • Casper August 2, 2012 / 10:06 pm

        If you don’t want war, what do you want?

  5. dennis August 3, 2012 / 1:21 am

    Whatever happened to the war against stupidity?

    Cluster: “It’s time once again that we assert American power, stand strong for individual liberty and freedom, and put these tyrants back on notice that their misogynistic and oppressive days are over.”

    Oh yeah, we BAD, uh huh.

    This is a war of words between neighbors halfway around the world from us, so of course we’ve just got to do something. But is our liberty being threatened in any meaningful way by Iran’s rhetoric?

    You fail to note Ahmadinejad called for “the annihilation of the Zionist regime“- not the annihilation of Israel as a country. These are two distinctly different concepts, which are erroneously conflated almost as often as apostrophes are misused. You need to have basic reading comprehension to realize this, however.

    And in case you never got the memo, Israel already is already a nuclear power. They have between 75-400 warheads, plus ICBMs, submarines and bombers to deliver them. The exact size of their nuclear stockpile isn’t known because they refuse to sign the non-proliferation treaty. But they have the potential to wreak exponentially greater havoc than anyone else in the region. You suppose that might have something to do with Iran’s attitude?

    Not to mention Israel has gotten more military aid than any other country in the world from the United States, both in grants and weapons. They have F15s, attack helicopters, Hellfire missiles. They’re getting what, about $3 billion a year from the United States now? So what more should we do, Cluster? Increase it to 30 billion, and cut back on education here to insure people become even more stupid over time? Maybe make Israel our 51st state? They already control half our Congress like sock puppets.

    What has the state of Israel done for you lately? I’m really interested to learn exactly what value they add to your existence. And please don’t bring up Judeo-Christian values, because a.) the modern political entity of Israel has zero to do with those values, and b.) you’ve already expressed your contempt for them anyway.

    And neocon, you cited “Operation Praying Mantis” – but how did the United States respond when the USS Liberty was attacked by Israeli forces, killing 34 crew members and injuring 170? What kind of accountability did we extract or demand?

    Bottom line, your pro-Israel, anti-Iranian sentiments are exactly that – sentimental. They’re not logical; they’re based purely on emotional prejudice, on your aesthetic preference for one style of religious heresy and human rights violations over another style.

    See http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=505413

    • tiredoflibbs August 3, 2012 / 6:17 am

      “Whatever happened to the war against stupidity?”

      You lost, denny. Especially, when you come up with these little nuggets of mental excrement:

      “This is a war of words between neighbors halfway around the world from us, so of course we’ve just got to do something. But is our liberty being threatened in any meaningful way by Iran’s rhetoric?”

      Uh, Iran is a threat to our liberty the same as Libya was a threat to our liberty and we all know how that turned out.

      Oh, that’s right, you are not willing to criticize your pResident here in this forum. You were dumb enough to admit this, which goes along with your continued intellectual dishonesty and willingness to play “dumb” when it comes to important issues that your pResident is failing at or is unwilling to tackle.

      As I said, you lost the war on stupidity – a simple one to win. How can we expect you to win at any other ideas?

      Stick with photography and stained glass, that way you won’t get the mental beating you continue to receive.

      • Cluster August 3, 2012 / 8:44 am

        You fail to note Ahmadinejad called for “the annihilation of the Zionist regime“- not the annihilation of Israel as a country. These are two distinctly different concepts, which are erroneously conflated almost as often as apostrophes are misused. You need to have basic reading comprehension to realize this, however. – dennis

        Oh, ok, well that’s entirely different then isn’t it Neville Chamberlain, or I mean Dennis. Then there is nothing wrong with that, right? You’re a weak fool.

        But they have the potential to wreak exponentially greater havoc than anyone else in the region. You suppose that might have something to do with Iran’s attitude? – Dennis

        Has Israel threatened anyone unprovoked? Have they ever used that nuclear arsenal? Pakistan also has nukes, why isn’t Iran worried about them?

        Dennis, you simply don’t have the common sense to comment on such matters. Your head is so full of garbage that it precludes you from being a clear thinking adult.

        Casper,

        You also suffer from the same affliction that Dennis has, and that is a soft and squishy liberal brain that can not rationally process information. There is a lot of things we can do short of war, but it requires that the threat of military action is credible, and Obama has lost that credibility. Ahmadenijad has zero respect for, and zero fear of, Obama, as do most other world leaders.

      • Casper August 3, 2012 / 9:22 am

        Cluster,

        “There is a lot of things we can do short of war, but it requires that the threat of military action is credible, and Obama has lost that credibility.”

        So I guess Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, the Somalian pirates and killing OSL doesn’t count.

      • Amazona August 3, 2012 / 10:07 am

        The anti-Israel hatemongers use the term “Zionist” and “Jew” interchangeably, and it is proof of dennis’s odd combination of ignorance and dishonesty that he tries to claim that Iran opposes only a specific political party or movement within Israel.

        Yes, Iranian terrorists bombed a bus of Israeli youths in Bulgaria because they thought they were Zionists.

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        A bus carrying Israeli youth exploded Wednesday in a Bulgarian resort, killing at least six people and wounding more than 32, the Bulgarian Foreign Ministry said. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called it “an Iranian terror attack” and promised a tough response.

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        a screen grab taken from an Iranian satellite channel in 2003, during the rule of Iran’s reformist president, Mohammad Khatami, showed a banner on a missile at a military parade in Tehran that seemed to echo Ayatollah Khomeini’s words. According to the translation provided by the author, that banner read: “Israel must be uprooted and wiped off [the pages of] history.”

        ********************

        Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, publicly calls Israel “a two-bomb country.” He openly says he can foresee a world without Israel—and without the U.S.

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        on Monday evening, April 4th, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad asserted that a new Middle East, without the specter of the Zionist regime, America and its proxies, is taking shape.

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        Ahmadinejad has long questioned the existence of the Holocaust and, months after taking office in October 2005, he participated in a lengthy protest called “World Without Zionism” and has repeatedly derided Israel.

        “With the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism,” he said then, according to another IRNA report.

        ************************

        Consider this: Iran has been at war with the U.S. for more than thirty years. When they seized our U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979, that was an act of war. When they recruited terrorists to kill 241 U.S. Marines and Navy corpsmen in Beirut in 1983, that, too, was an act of war.

        The Iranians are also at war with Israel. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has publicly said he can foresee a world without the U.S. and Israel.

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        From a speech by David Horowitz:

        So I want to begin this little talk tonight by reading some statements made by Palestinian leaders, which express their intentions towards the Jews. Mahmoud al-Zahar is a founder of Hamas and one of its current leaders, and this is what he has said: “There is no place for you Jews among us, and you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed for annihilation.”

        Ahmad Bahar, who is acting chairman of the Gaza Parliament and a member of Hamas said, “Be certain that America is on its way to disappear. Allah take hold of the Jews and their allies. Allah take hold of the Americans and their allies. Allah count them and kill them to the last one, don’t leave even one.”

        On the official Hamas website there is a video of a Hamas suicide bomber, and he can be seen saying this: “My message to the Jews is that there is no god but Allah. We are a nation that drinks blood and we know that there is no blood better than the blood of Jews. We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood and our children’s thirst with your blood.”

        Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah, has said that he hopes we Jews will gather in Israel so he won’t have to hunt us down worldwide.
        Youssef al-Qaradawi, the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, spoke not long ago to a million people in Tahrir Square and said this: “Throughout history Allah has imposed upon the Jews people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler by means of all the things he did to them — even though they exaggerated this issue — he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hands of the believers.” In other words, Islam will finish the job that Hitler started.

        The prophet Muhammad has said, “The day of judgment will only come when Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. When the Jews hide behind the rocks and the trees and the rocks and the trees cry out ‘Oh, Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’”

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        This genocidal saying of the prophet is quoted in the Hamas Charter, which also says, “Islam will obliterate Israel as it has others before it.”
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        And before you start bleating that not all of these quotes are from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or leaders of Iran, remember that the intent to destroy Israel is common among Muslims and Iran is close to Hamas and Hezbollah.

        The conviction that a radical Jew-hating state which has declared its anticipation of a world without either Israel or the United States will not use WMD to attack these hated enemies and not only “annihilate” them but in the process fulfill a cherished prophecy is so far beyond stupid it really can’t be described.

      • Cluster August 3, 2012 / 10:12 am

        Casper,

        You’re confusing the military with Obama. I will give credit to Obama for allowing the military to continue the pursuit, but I don’t ever recall Bush taking credit for capturing Saddam, or conservatives giving him credit for it.

        I highly doubt Ahmadenijad would be acting this boldly if George W and Cheney were still in office, but the fact is that Obama passed on a golden opportunity in 2009, helped usher in the Muslim Bro., and has never even visited Israel, not too mention denigrating Netanyahu in front of Sarkozy, so it’s no wonder that Ahmadenijad is acting the way he is.

      • Casper August 3, 2012 / 10:52 am

        “You’re confusing the military with Obama. I will give credit to Obama for allowing the military to continue the pursuit, but I don’t ever recall Bush taking credit for capturing Saddam, or conservatives giving him credit for it.”

        Does the title Commander is Chief mean anything to you? Besides, that doesn’t take in to consideration Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, and the Somalian pirates.

        “I highly doubt Ahmadenijad would be acting this boldly if George W and Cheney were still in office”

        I doubt that would make a difference. Ahmadenijad has been in office since 2005 and has been making statements like this the entire time.

      • Cluster August 3, 2012 / 12:13 pm

        France did the work in Libya, remember that “leading from behind” thing? I don’t know what you’re talking about in Yemen, unless it was the drone strikes, which is ironic that you as a liberal would support the assassination of an American citizen, and Afghanistan is a freaking joke. There is no clear plan going forward. Obama is simply biding time there, and actually chose to send more troops into the theater which still hasn’t given us any clear tactical advantage.

        So another swing and a miss Casper. Do you have anything else? The fact is Obama’s foreign policy has been a muddled mess, and having a “kill list” is really distasteful. Of course killing them is probably the preferred method knowing how you liberals want to coddle them once they’re captured.

      • tiredoflibbs August 3, 2012 / 12:22 pm

        Let’s not forget that obAMATEUR did add troops to Afghanistan, BUT also put restrictive rules of engagement upon them.

        So that completely rules out casper’s talking points on that issue.

        BTW, notice how the death counts of our soldiers (which have surpassed that of Iraq) no longer make the obAMATEUR’s media headlines.

        Why is that?

    • Amazona August 3, 2012 / 10:11 am

      dennis, what is the source of your anti-Israeli bigotry?

      • GMB August 3, 2012 / 10:28 am

        He mistook the elders of Zion for the Bible?

  6. GMB August 3, 2012 / 1:54 am

    It is nice to know that the spirit of appeasement is alive and well among the collectivist community.

    I will pay attention to screeds such as dennis’s when the Head of the Israeli State starts calling for the destruction of another nation.

    Neville must be so proud of you.

  7. js03 August 3, 2012 / 9:33 am

    our forefathers fought to defeat islam from the very beginning of this nation right up to the fall of the ottoman empire in the early 19th century…over 100 years of effort to make the world a safer place…

    after another 100 years…islam once again rises its nasty head on the worlds scene…and our government has gone from a government representing the people to a huge bureaucracy that cares solely about taxes, socialism and election funding for the power brokers…and as the threat rises, socialists try to make nice and ignore history

    ya, there are all kinds of idiots out there…lots of them have thier heads stuffed so far up their duff’s that its senseless to even try to address their mental midgetry…but socialism and tyrany are a nasty combination when used under fanaticism…this islamic rising is a threat…its already cost this nation trillions….and if we just walk away from the fight…

    it will cost so much more

  8. mitch August 3, 2012 / 9:48 am

    Mr. Babcock; if in fact that is your real name. Members of my grandparents family were exterminated in a gas chamber and for you to suggest that they were to stupid to know what was about to happen underscores just how fantastically ignorant, racist and biased you are. The fact that this website allows such comments; not only from you but from Neo when he clings to the delusion that the President is a Kenyan, proves that the moderators incubate hate and resentment towards others and if i had the power i would shut it down. Unfortunately I do not, just like you do not have the power to start a war with Iran. The rules here are one way and one way only. The cretins who post here can say the most insane and easily disprovable crap imaginable but when those statements are challenged, the defensive vitrol flies with no shame or reflection.
    What you said was antisemitic and is something one would hear at a KKK meeting. If the moderators let this comment stand, then they too are just as guilty as you. I’d love to hear you say that to an Israeli.

    • GMB August 3, 2012 / 10:20 am

      I will give you fair warning bomber boy. You have been caught in a lie once already.

      “Members of my grandparents family were exterminated in a gas chamber”

      This information is easily verifiable searching several holocaust project data bases. Names and proof they are relatives or it did not happen.

      • mitch August 3, 2012 / 2:24 pm

        Fair warning? What are you going to do? Yell at me? I don’t lie so you can’t catch me in one.
        So what kind “proof” do you require? A certified copy of my genealogy? Your a fool to even suggest such a thing.”Names and proof or it did not happen”. In your tiny mind perhaps. I don’t have to prove anything to you chucklehead, and even if I did you wouldn’t believe it anyway because that’s the way you roll. The more proof to the contrary, the more you are convinced. Let me clue you in Sparky, you and the rest of the wingers are in a twilight battle against reality and reality always wins. What this Babcock person said was an insult but that’s to be expected on this small minded web site. It’s you against the world. As I said, I’d like to see some measure of fairness here but you all don’t have the character to be fair because you all are soooo scared of how things are. Jews are normally stereotyped as being intelligent so to suggest that they were to stupid to know they were about to be gassed is disgusting.

      • Amazona August 3, 2012 / 3:29 pm

        In other words, GMB, AKA “chucklehead” AKA “Sparky”, mitche was just lying to try to make a point, and he should get some credit for actually TRYING to make a point, even if he had to lie to do so. Given than his usual M.O. is just to snipe and sneer and insult.

        But we note that he made up for lost time in his sniping sneering insulting response. I see he is back on his game.

    • Cluster August 3, 2012 / 10:25 am

      ….if i had the power i would shut it down. – mitch

      Of course you would, because you are a fascist. Free speech is only tolerated amongst liberals if it comports with their views. Period. Funny how you tolerate the most vile attacks on Christianity, but God forbid someone should voice an opinion that offends YOU!

    • Amazona August 3, 2012 / 10:43 am

      While one reading of JR’s post could be taken to be an insult to Jewish intelligence, in the context of comments on so many Jews appearing to vote against their own self interest it could just as easily be taken as a comment on the gullibility of so many Jews who simply did not believe that the Germans would kill them.

      We can extrapolate that naivete into the world today, right into this blog.

      We did not believe that radical Islam, in this case in the identity of Al Queda, would try to kill us, even when they kept telling us this is what they would do and even when they kept doing it, on a relatively small scale.

      Now we have anti-Israeli morons like dennis declaring that the intent to see a world without Israel doesn’t mean a desire or intent to remove Israel from the world. Nah, of course not. Why should we believe people when they tell us what they want to happen and what they will do to make it happen?

      We have idiots like dennis claiming that Iran poses no threat to the United States even though they repeatedly state their desire to see a world without the United States, and whining because we want to keep them from having the means to act on their clearly and repeatedly expressed wishes.

      Too many of the Jews in and near Hitler’s Germany had the same blind faith that their enemies would not actually try to kill them.

      If you are looking for an excuse to flail around in yet more mock outrage and something a conservative said, then go right ahead and take JR’s comments as an anti-semitic insult. I can see why you would prefer to do this. It not only gives you a chance to attack a conservative, it gives you an excuse to avoid applying the same naivete to your own denial of another, even greater, threat.

      • J. R. Babcock August 3, 2012 / 3:06 pm

        While one reading of JR’s post could be taken to be an insult to Jewish intelligence, in the context of comments on so many Jews appearing to vote against their own self interest it could just as easily be taken as a comment on the gullibility of so many Jews who simply did not believe that the Germans would kill them.

        That was EXACTLY my rationale, Amazona. Thanks for articulating it better than I could.

    • neocon1 August 3, 2012 / 3:49 pm

      bmitch

      Ubama a Kenyan? YOU BET,
      sooo now identifying that is raaaacist,,,,,,LOL LOL

      and I too wonder how 6 million people walked to their deaths with out as much as a fight, very bewildering. and that observation is far from a
      wrong question to inquire about.
      I have several Jewish friends who have been bewildered about the same thing.

      now go do your FO from mamas basement and your flying box.

    • J. R. Babcock August 3, 2012 / 5:00 pm

      Mitch,

      That was one of those replies that, as soon as I clicked on “post comment”, I wished I hadn’t. You’ve probably never done that, I suspect. I should have realized that someone would take it the way you did. I had a neighbor back in the 70’s and early 80’s who was Jewish, who had relatives on his mother’s side who survived the Holocaust. He said they admitted to being incredibly naive in thinking they were nothing more than POW’s.

      • Amazona August 3, 2012 / 5:11 pm

        JR, every single history of the Holocaust, every single account of survivors, tells the same story—of the belief that simply going along with the escalating restrictions would avoid further infringements on freedom. Those who saw the writing on the wall, sold their possessions, and got out of Poland and Germany were considered paranoid and overreacting.

        We can be excused for expecting Jews to learn from their mistakes, but in the aftermath of WW II Jews still flocked to the Left. They were given an out—they were told that Hitler really represented the RIGHT, which gave them plausible deniability and even an excuse to favor the Left—but still, one would expect a culture which places such a high value on education and on the identity of being intelligent would be able to look at the appalling history of Leftism and make better decisions.

        BTW, in its early days fascism was a highly regarded Leftist ideology, and in Italy Jews were very well-represented in fascist circles. Only when Hitler grafted his anti-Jewish hatreds onto the system he had adopted did the word “fascist” come to be associated with hating and killing Jews.

  9. bozo August 3, 2012 / 10:02 am

    “put these tyrants back on notice that their misogynistic and oppressive days are over.”

    Yeah. That’s right. Those women-haters are hereby on notice! Forcing violently raped women to accept that rape as divine intervention, state-mandated forcible raping of women with medical devices against doctor’s wishes, forcing mothers with newborn babies to work outside the home or be cut off from all state benefits, vowing to “fight to the death” with their religious overlords against women of questionable sexual morals.

    Oh, wait…that’s the GOP.

    • Cluster August 3, 2012 / 10:18 am

      Bozo,

      I would expect someone of your limited intellect, and liberal bias to conflate Islam’s view towards women with that of the GOP and I encourage you to continue to voice those opinions in every forum you can find, because those views are more and more being seen by the vast majority of Americans as juvenile, dishonest and extreme.

    • Amazona August 3, 2012 / 10:31 am

      Oh, freakzo, you are now completely off the rails. Evidently off your meds as well, as this latest little hysterical screed is truly insane.

      No one wants to “…(force) violently raped women to accept that rape as divine intervention”. Nice juxtaposition of anti-religious bigotry, insanity and lie, but still….

      And you go on. Oh, how you do go on….

      “state-mandated forcible raping of women with medical devices against doctor’s wishes,” Perhaps in the fever swamp of your fetid mind this may be a reality, but out here in the real world—no.

      A reality check on your hysterical little rant will show that a pathologically selfish female CHOOSES to end a human life because she feels like it, and CHOOSES to do so before the heartbeat of the intended victim can be heard. Therefore she has CHOSEN, if she CHOOSES to proceed with this slaughter at this particular stage of the victim’s life, to accept the law that a heartbeat must be detected by the use of a transvaginal ultrasound. (What you so oddly call the “forcible rape” with a “medical device”.) The only reason a doctor would advise against this would be if he is afraid that seeing a baby, with a heartbeat, might nudge this woman into a better realization that what she is doing is ending a human life and therefore deprive him of some income.

      But the pathologically selfish gestational creature can leave at any time. There is no “force” involved. She can leave and return when the intended victim is old enough to have a heartbeat detected without the ultrasound. Her CHOICE—this way or that way.

      “..forcing mothers with newborn babies to work outside the home or be cut off from all state benefits..”

      Well, if she is nearing the end of her welfare benefits and still producing “newborn babies” then this, also, is a CHOICE—one of many along the line, starting with the CHOICE to expose herself to pregnancy without being in the kind of relationship that would involve the man in the care of a child. And if she actually knows the name of the sperm donor, the big bad nasty old meanie State will track him down and force him to share in the expense of taking care of the child.

      “…vowing to “fight to the death” with their religious overlords against women of questionable sexual morals…”

      Whatever this is supposed to mean. All in all, you have just penned a shrill little screed that it should be retained as an example of what passes for intellectual political discourse on the far Left.

      And as an example of the hypocrisy of the far Left, which evidently defines CHOICE very narrowly, as nothing more than the CHOICE to end a human life that just isn’t convenient but not the CHOICE to not get pregnant, or the CHOICE to only have sex with men who can be identified later, or the CHOICE to kill off a baby so early in the pregnancy that a heartbeat can only be detected by a sonogram.

      As well as the typical effort of the RRL and its PL minions to define politics as events and policies, even when those events and policies have to be invented. (What we call ‘lying’)

      • bozo August 3, 2012 / 11:46 am

        With a 16.5 point difficulty level, and only a .5 deduction for running overtime… woohoo! B4V has a new Olympic Gold Medalist in Talking Points!! Congratulations Team Amazona! You’ve made your country proud.

      • Amazona August 3, 2012 / 3:23 pm

        Actually it was a .25 difficulty level as debunking your mindless nonsense is so easy.

        And no one is fooled by your pathetic effort to dismiss my points as mere “talking points”. If you could refute them you would. You can’t so you sneer.

    • GMB August 3, 2012 / 10:32 am

      In sharia law a woman that is raped can be put to death. In sharia law there is no work for mothers except for having children. Not many single muslim mothers alive out there you see. That is a death penalty offense in sharia law too.

      Heaven forfend a women must actually see a baby before she murders it.

      Thats the collectivist donkeyrats you.

  10. Majordomo Pain August 3, 2012 / 11:19 am

    Cluster, We ask, what is your solution to the Iranian problem?

    • Cluster August 3, 2012 / 11:45 am

      I would first of all make it clear to the world that there is zero daylight between us and Israel. An attack on Israel is an attack on America. I would make it clear that the possibility of tactical nuclear strikes is very real in the event Iran does something stupid. I would then shut down all delivery of refined gasoline to the country, as Iran does not have the capability of refining, I would freeze all international assets, I would rally those Arab countries who also fear Iran to be more vocal and supportive, and finally I would let the younger Iranian generation know that if they chose to up rise again, I would support them 100%. These are just a few things to do, I am sure there are more.

      • bozo August 3, 2012 / 12:08 pm

        Nuclear strikes are a little rough on the 100,000+ Christians and Jewish population of 25,000, including one in Parliament. Iran has the largest population of Jews in the Middle East outside Israel, but I’m SURE they’d applaud tactical nuclear strikes as long as they’re downwind.

        Obama just announced new US sanctions against foreign banks that help Iran sell its oil, and extended sanctions to the purchase or acquisition of Iranian petrochemical products, so you must be a big fan.

        And I’m sure young people would cheer at the sights, sounds and shrapnel of “shock and awe” coming from American warships the moment they put on a bandana and hit the streets.

        It’s not that history repeats itself because we didn’t learn it, it’s because we keep revising it.

      • Majordomo Pain August 3, 2012 / 12:23 pm

        Shutting down refined gasoline deliveries would require seizing vessels at sea or damaging pipelines via airstrikes. Either option would be met with harsh criticism by the international community led by China and Russia. There needs to be some clarification on “something stupid.” Does this mean a terror attack in Israel that can be traced back to support from the Iranian government or just heightened rhetoric during Iranian war games? And if the younger generation were to bring forth an Iranian spring would this 100% support include American troops in Qom, Esfahan and Tehran?

      • Cluster August 3, 2012 / 12:27 pm

        Obama’s limited sanctions are just a small component of what needs to be done, and I hardly applaud his half hearted efforts. Obama has failed miserably in sending a clear message to ME despots of where America stands, and has not stood up for the only successful democracy in the ME.

        I would never send troops into Iran, and they need to know that. I would make it very clear, that if the military becomes our last option, then that response will come in the form of tactical nuclear strikes, and I wont shed any tears.

      • Cluster August 3, 2012 / 12:32 pm

        Shutting down refined gasoline deliveries would require seizing vessels at sea or damaging pipelines via airstrikes.

        Fine.

        Either option would be met with harsh criticism by the international community led by China and Russia.

        Don’t care.

        Look, it’s obvious that liberals such as yourself don’t have the mental strength to do what actually needs to be done, and that is why we find ourselves in such a place. Despots like Ahmadenijad depend on weak minded, and timid people such as yourself, and they prey on people like you. You allow them to continue their reign by wringing your hands with worry and complacency, rather than doing what is right. That’s exactly what happened with Obama in 2009.

    • Amazona August 3, 2012 / 3:25 pm

      Cluster, to which part of the hive did you address your response?

  11. GMB August 3, 2012 / 1:12 pm

    Pretend demon. Any basic student of theology understands the the New Testament takes precedence over the Old Testament. If the subject is not covered in the New then the Old stands.

    Pretty simple. I would expect a occupant of hells half acre to know this stuff.

    • neocon1 August 3, 2012 / 3:56 pm

      GMB

      they still think the exit is the entrance, hence they are STUCK there…

  12. dennis August 3, 2012 / 10:46 pm

    Tired, you think the threat to our liberty from Iran is about the same as the threat from Libya? Seriously?

    What you’ve called Obama’s war in Libya consisted of air support of the no-fly zone voted by the UN Security Council, to protect civilians from Ghadafi’s military. It didn’t involve shock and awe bombing, a large-scale ground invasion or produce hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties, millions of permanent refugees and plunge the U.S. economy deeply into debt as the Iraq war did (or war with Iran would do).

    What we did in Libya isn’t comparable to what we did in Iraq. In fact Obama’s use of military power, however anyone feels about its legitimacy, has been far more economical of human life and treasure, more surgical and effective and infinitely more conservative than his predecessor’s.

    As for threats to our liberty I think Madison said it best: “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.” He wasn’t speaking of a little police action here and there; he was speaking about the real deal – persuading Congress to go to war, as we did in Iraq. That brought us much closer to the brink of losing liberties than most people realize. If we were dragged into a war in Iran, I believe circumstances would evolve so that we would see many more of our liberties go up in flames. In that sense I believe Iran is an existential threat to us.

    Ama, you say, “We have idiots like dennis claiming that Iran poses no threat to the United States.” That’s not what I said. I asked a precise question: “Is our liberty being threatened in any meaningful way by Iran’s rhetoric?” You do this all the time – change what others say, so you can respond with faux outrage to what wasn’t said.

    Neither did I claim that “Iran opposes only a specific political party or movement within Israel.” For someone who holds forth at such length on the opinions of others it would be useful for you to learn how to read accurately. Then you could attempt to respond to what people actually said, not to what you wish or imagine they had said, or erroneously believe they meant, or want others to believe they meant.

    I make a clear distinction between Zionism specifically and Israel generally. Israel too has a moderate, centrist element but you would hardly know that these days. The Zionists are in the ascendancy. We would do better to not reward Israel’s bad bahavior, emanating from its fanatics, so much as we have. If we did not, its moderate faction might become a stronger influence within the Knesset and in forming Israel’s policies.

    Js says “our forefathers fought to defeat islam from the very beginning of this nation” but doesn’t say which of them did so. The fact is, there was no uniformity of opinion regarding Islam. Richard Henry Lee, who made the motion in Congress to declare independence, said “True freedom embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well as the Christian religion.” Thomas Jefferson advocated for religious freedom for the “Mahamdan,” the Jew and the pagan.

    Cluster: “I would first of all make it clear to the world that there is zero daylight between us and Israel. An attack on Israel is an attack on America.”

    Why? Is there any rational or morally justifiable reason under heaven to take such a bizarre position? You sound like Michelle Bachmann. You still fail to tell us what the modern state of Israel has done for you, or how it enhances American values or security in any particular.

    There’s a lot of garbage in what Ahmadinejad regularly says; however he asked one pertinent question that I’d like someone to answer: “They [the Zionists] are the decision-makers, to the point where presidential candidates of a superpower of 300 million people have to go kiss the feet of the Zionists in order to ensure their victory in the elections. If the votes [of all the citizens in the superpower] are so important, why must a candidate go kiss the feet of the Zionist minority, thereby sacrificing their dignity and the values of their country?”

    Indeed, it seems like every Congressional candidate must now make the journey to Israel, and also receive the blessing of AIPAC in order to be properly vetted for loyalty to a foreign power. And of course it is the Zionists they are appeasing by doing this – moderate Israelis do not require it of them. Mitt Romney just made his pigrimmage. It’s outrageous, from a purely patriotic, American perspective.

    Cluster is sold on this absurdity, to the point of declaring an attack on Israel is an attack on America. No, it isn’t. But you’re legitimizing Ahmadinejad’s point of view for saying it is.

    • tiredoflibbs August 4, 2012 / 8:23 am

      denny the drone: “Tired, you think the threat to our liberty from Iran is about the same as the threat from Libya? Seriously?”

      Uh, you were the one that stated:

      ““This is a war of words between neighbors halfway around the world from us, so of course we’ve just got to do something. But is our liberty being threatened in any meaningful way by Iran’s rhetoric?””

      Uh, then you try to compare actions with Libya with those in Iraq???…. Talk about “conflating”!!! I did not compare Libya to Iraq. I showed you that according to you, Iran is not a threat to our liberty and thus we should not do anything to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons (funny how you want to limit ours but not theirs). Iran is not a threat to our liberty and neither was Libya (but your pResident attacked a sovereign nation without provocation – a big no-no in proggy circles). And as I accurately stated, we have seen the results of obAMATEUR’s regime change in Libya.

      Then you try to limit the damage by making excuses for the pResident’s actions on how it limited human casualties. As if to justify what you continue to call “an unjustifiable war”. Was Libya a threat to us (and our liberty)? Did they attack us?, etc. etc. Yet you find the excuses for excusing obAMATEUR’s actions in Libya when it directly goes against what you continually whine about on Iraq.

      “I asked a precise question: “Is our liberty being threatened in any meaningful way by Iran’s rhetoric?””

      I like the way you qualify this statement. It is not Iran’s rhetoric that will threaten us or Israel, BUT THEIR DETERMINATION TO DEVELOP NUCLEAR WEAPONS and THEIR USE OF THEM!!! As I said, you do not want the US or Israel to have nuclear weapons, but you are predictably silent when it comes to murderous regimes like Iran.

      “Js says “our forefathers fought to defeat islam from the very beginning of this nation” but doesn’t say which of them did so.”

      Here is another example of your willingness to “play dumb”. This is an answer easily found. You are just not willing to find facts that will hurt your precious and naive beliefs.

      We already know that you will not criticize obAMAMTEUR under any circumstances, by your own words, which makes you a hack with ever changing moral outrage to suit your situation to defend your pResident.

      As I accurately stated, you have lost the war on stupidity – stick to stained glass and photography. You will not embarrass yourself as you did just know with your deflections and tap dancing.

      Typical and pathetic.

    • Cluster August 4, 2012 / 9:03 am

      plunge the U.S. economy deeply into debt as the Iraq war did (or war with Iran would do). – Dennis

      Well Dennis let me start with this. We spent a little more than $1 trillion dollars on the Iraq war. Obama spent nearly that much on one failed stimulus program that only served to enrich his supporters, so your comment is not only disingenuous, but an outright lie as well. If you think $1 trillion “plunged” us deeply into debt, then I would be very interested in knowing how you would define Obama’s $6 trillion dollar spending.

      Israel is the only true beacon of democracy and freedom in a region that is famous for oppression and despotism, and the fact that you won’t stand by their side tells me that those concepts of life are not all that important to you. You also have a very Chamberlain like quality to you, refusing to accept Ahmadinejad’s word and choosing to believe that he only wants to annihilate the Zionists. This is as absurd as anyone could ever be. What’s extremely ironic is that you buy into the extremism of Ahmadinejad by buying into his rhetoric about Zionists, which is just beyond the pale and I have no idea how your mind works that way. You literally disgust me Dennis, and I am really frustrated that someone like you actually exists on this planet. Here’s another case in point of your distorted mind – you buy into Ahmadinejad’s claim that every American politician must “kiss the feet of the Zionists” when in fact, Obama has never even visited Israel – never, and has publicly denigrated Netanyahu. The fact that you would echo the insane comments of a despicable little man like Ahmadinejad, makes me reel with disgust.

      You legitimize Ahmadinejad with every word you utter. In fact your moral relativism, distorted world view, and complacency is the reason why we have so much turmoil and suffering in this world. You are a weak little man who will always find a reason to do nothing and cause pain to many, but somehow you can justify that to yourself which, in my opinion, puts you on par with some of the most despicable people in history – pol pot, Stalin, hitler, etc.

      Have a nice day

    • Amazona August 4, 2012 / 12:38 pm

      Oh, denny, put on your big boy pants and calm down a little. Most of this last shrill rant of yours had dogs howling in pain.

      Rephrasing a question is only dishonest if the meaning of the question is changed. If you want to argue that a determination to have a world without the United States in it would not affect the liberty of America and Americans, then go ahead a make it . Otherwise quit your whining and your effort to shift attention away from the quotes I gave you by squalling about an insignificant change in the wording of a question.

      Ditto for the effort to create distance between Zionism and the average Israeli. If you want to argue that radical Islam only wants to kill Zionists but not other Jews, make that argument. Funniest thing, though—-Ahmadinejad makes no such distinction.

      If we were talking about dennis wanting to wipe out Zionism, then your hair-splitting might mean something. But until you are in charge in Iran it is meaningless and we have to go by what THEY think and say and threaten and openly telegraph as their intent.

    • Amazona August 7, 2012 / 1:32 pm

      I see denny’s got his snit on, and as usual it involved a combination of out-and-out lying and trying to walk back his own comments.

      He claims “Neither did I claim that “Iran opposes only a specific political party or movement within Israel.”

      (He goes on, in typically snotty denny-fashion, “For someone who holds forth at such length on the opinions of others it would be useful for you to learn how to read accurately. Then you could attempt to respond to what people actually said, not to what you wish or imagine they had said, or erroneously believe they meant, or want others to believe they meant.” Evidently he thinks that a barrage of mindless insults will scare me off from pointing out his lies.)

      But back to his claim: “Neither did I claim that “Iran opposes only a specific political party or movement within Israel.”

      Yeah, dennis, you did, You said, on 2012/08/03 at 1:21 am, (emphasis mine..)
      “You fail to note Ahmadinejad called for “the annihilation of the Zionist regime“- not the annihilation of Israel as a country.”

      I then presented proof that the intent of Ahmadinejad IS the “annihilation of Israel as a country” and also referred back to this comment as an assertion from you that Ahmadinejad only wants to eliminate Zionism and not Israel.

      Your words, dennis. Your words.

      So I DID “read accurately” and I DID “respond to what (you) really said” and you just lied about what you really said.

      So let’s look at what ELSE you really said.

      2012/08/06 at 6:34 pm | In reply to Cluster.
      Cluster: “Didn’t you just the other day try and convince us that Ahmadenijad does not want to annihilate Israel? Just the Zionists?”

      No. I appealed for precision in quoting the words of others. I didn’t claim to understand what he meant or wanted, only what he said. ”

      And more…..

      You say, about your own posts, “…” I make a clear distinction between Zionism specifically and Israel generally.”

      And I pointed out that YOU might make such a distinction but Ahmadinejad does not.

      I went on to provide several proofs that to Iran, and Ahmadinejad, Zionism and Israel are synonymous, one and the same.

      You are just so petty and so determined to find or invent a gotcha so you can claim that you were misquoted and I am an idiot you can’t even be bothered to look back at what you really wrote.
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      a screen grab taken from an Iranian satellite channel in 2003, during the rule of Iran’s reformist president, Mohammad Khatami, showed a banner on a missile at a military parade in Tehran that seemed to echo Ayatollah Khomeini’s words. According to the translation provided by the author, that banner read: “Israel must be uprooted and wiped off [the pages of] history.” (Not Zionism—ISRAEL)
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      Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, publicly calls Israel “a two-bomb country.” He openly says he can foresee a world without Israel—and without the U.S.
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      on Monday evening, April 4th, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad asserted that a new Middle East, without the specter of the Zionist regime, America and its proxies, is taking shape.
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      Ahmadinejad has long questioned the existence of the Holocaust and, months after taking office in October 2005, he participated in a lengthy protest called “World Without Zionism” and has repeatedly derided Israel.

      “With the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism,” he said then, according to another IRNA report.
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      This was all presented to rebut your silly assertion that “…Ahmadinejad only wants to eliminate Zionism and not Israel….”—your words—and to show that a nuclear-armed Iran would pose a threat to the United States.

  13. Jeremiah August 4, 2012 / 1:00 am

    The real battle is here at home.

    America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within. – Joseph Stalin

    • Amazona August 7, 2012 / 1:37 pm

      Stalin did not say this, but the idea of undermining patriotism and religion and morality are all consistent with the ideas of Marx, who talked about eliminating the influences of family and getting rid of religion and nationalism.

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