Lots of comments on the previous thread so let’s pick it up from here. The liberals certainly have their panties in a twist over Ryan, so it was obviously a great pick.
Have at it folks, and please be civil
UPDATE, by Mark Noonan: Hello everyone! I’m back! Just want to put my two cents in. When I first heard the news I immediately thought “good pick”, but now that I’ve seen how things have played out over the last 24 hours I have to go with “inspired pick”. The clear uptick in GOP enthusiasm combined with the meltdown on the left shows that Romney hit the target.
Its going to be a great campaign and we are going to win. And, liberals, when you’re sitting there crying in y0ur beer as Biden gives a concession speech (Obama not having the guts to do it just as Kerry sent Edwards out to face the electoral music in 2004), just think it over: you signed on to this nauseating, un-American thing which will forever be known as the “2012 Obama re-election campaign”. You went down in to the lowest gutter in American history and you came up a complete loser. Maybe it will finally be time for you to reconsider your views…
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Keep in mind, that Watson, one of my favorite delusional liberals, wants us to believe that we are all mooches for taking part in Medicare, a program that we all pay into, and a program of which many of us hope to reform to ensure its survival.
Dave Burge (“Iowahawk”) had it best – the way to end Medicare as we know it is to keep Medicare as we know it. Our liberals will of course just go on a hate-and-fear “mediscare” campaign but Ryan – and now Romney – offer a plan which will actually allow people to reap Medicare benefits now and in the future.
Mark,
How do you feel about this:
http://datinggod.org/2012/08/11/us-bishops-nuns-agree-romney-ryan-budget-fails-moral-test/
Well, then, those people need to get together and completely rewrite our Constitution because we, as a nation, are bound by our laws and not by any religious belief or sentiment. Or maybe just figure out a way to help “the poor” without subverting the Constitution we have now.
The duties of the federal government deal with security, not with virtue.
Casper,
I feel about that the same way I feel about Islam countries deeming homosexuality to fail the moral test and then they kill them. Maybe we shouldn’t follow their lead, ok?
Casper, if you feel that a religion should dictate policy, which religion and which policy?
How about this cappy?
Does this pass the “morality test”?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-campaign-defends-presidents-700-billion-cuts-medicare_649856.html
Considering Ryan’s plan does not affect those already in Medicare and those that are aged 55 and up.
But obAMATEUR’s theft of $700 BILLION (double counted mind you) to pay for his “affordable health care” affects ALL present and future recipients, since he and his party has done nothing to stop the slide towards insolvency of the whole program (and Soc. Security too).
How moral is that?
We won’t even discuss your link’s lack of detail and specifics, just generalities and lobbying for action by Democrats to their Catholic Bishops.
The Left tends to focus on static snapshots of things as they are in the moment, not realizing or ignoring the obvious—that what they are looking at will change, one way or another.
They do this with Iraq, looking fondly back at the Good Old Days of rape and torture for fun, mass graves of innocent men, women and children, secret WMD factories and development of nuclear weaponry, and comparing it to the violence we see today, declaring that we should have just left things as they were. They are incapable of understanding that even more mass graves would have been necessary, even more men women and children raped and tortured for the entertainment of the Hussein boys, that the stockpiles of WMD would probably have been made available to other terrorists intent on topping the 9/11 triumph of Islamic jihad, and of course the work on the nuclear weapons project would have proceeded.
When they talk about Iraq if we had not invaded, it is always about a nostalgic snapshot in time on some pre-invasion day.
They are doing the same thing with Medicare, acting as if nothing is done it will be the same in a few years as it is now, in this particular snapshot in time. OK, that’s weird anyway, as NOW it is falling apart, in the red, losing doctors, and on the brink, but the Left has chosen to hold up today’s Medicare as the ideal, which would be destroyed—-DESTROYED!!!! I TELL YOU!!!!—-if reformed by a dastardly conservative.
As Mark so aptly pointed out, while the Left is squalling that Ryan “wants to destroy Medicare as we know it” (ignoring the fact that as we know it it is already failing) it will destroy itself if nothing is done.
There is simply no way Medicare could continue, even as it is. It is a slow motion collapse, gaining momentum as it folds in on itself, and only a freeze-frame image of it can maintain the illusion that it is stable and viable.
And of course none of this even takes into consideration that the Obama plan guts it anyway.
Casper,
Catholics don’t go after statements like that from the USCCB because it is too akin to shooting ducks in a barrel. While the Church, as a whole, is moving in a more orthodox direction, the staff of the USCCB was long ago captured by “spirit of Vatican II” liberals who, these days, are often nothing more than a bit of moral window dressing for whatever the Democrat party wants at the moment. But, since you brought it up, the statement by the USCCB and the LCWR (the liberal umbrella group of the now-dying, old line women religious organizations of the Catholic Church…now being rapidly supplanted by new female religious orders which are actually Catholic) was wrong in the sense that while the poor must be protected (as commanded in Catholic social teaching) how that is to be brought about is a prudential judgment to be made by the political leaders in light of Catholic teaching. As the Ryan budget doesn’t cut a single cent from food aid to the poor (which seems to be a major alleged gripe in the USCCB and LCWR statements) I can only presume that a reflexive desire to serve the interests of the Democrat party led to the statements being made – and I only say this because I am wary of accusing anyone of just flat out lying.
Aside from that it should also be noted that the insistence by the Obama Administration that the Catholic Church pay for birth control is causing even some liberal Catholics to re-assess their knee-jerk support of the Democrat party on social spending issues. While a lot of liberal Catholics will, if pressed to it, abandon the faith rather than abandon the Democrat party a good number of liberals are beginning to understand that if you support Big Government then you, in the end, cannot have an independent Church.
Mark, that response is excellent, to the point, and accurate.
Cluster,
I don’t consider Medicare an Entitlement I consider it an Accrued Benefit.
Well, you and the wattle need to have a little chat then because according to him it is an entitlement which means that those who take advantage of it are moochers.
Well I don’t consider it an entitlement, we have no choice but to be in it. It sucks. In four more years I have to be in it. Hate the thought.
Under Ryan’s budget plan, Romney would have paid 0.82% in taxes on 8 figure income. That’s not a typo
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/mitt-romney-would-pay-082-percent-in-taxes-under-paul-ryans-plan/261027/
Bloody,
Are you pro choice? I thought all liberals were pro choice, so its strange that you wouldn’t support a plan that eliminates deductions for the rich, increases the exemption for the middle class, and gives tax payers a choice:
http://roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/qa/tax.htm
Here’s some of the more salient points, knowing that you will most likely mot bothering reading the link:
The current tax code requires taxpayers to use two tax systems to figure out their income taxes – and then requires them to pay the higher of the two. They have no choice. The Roadmap gives taxpayers a choice of whether to pay their taxes under the current code – with the deductions, credits, and so on – or under the simplified tax option with a tax form that would fit on a postcard. The taxpayer makes the choice.
It also offers generous standard deductions so that a middle-income family of four pays no taxes on the first $39,000 of its income. More important, the business-tax changes in the Roadmap would deliver what all Americans seek at this time — increased job opportunities and higher economic growth.
You might actually want to read the entire plan.
Romney Asked VP Nominees For ‘Several’ Years Of Tax Returns. Lol are we sure the Romney campaign isn’t an episode of the Colbert Report?
But stumpy doesn’t give a flip about what lowering or cutting interest and capital gains taxes would do to jump start and stimulate the economy—he’s just about class envy and getting those rich bastids.
There are, sadly, people like that—-they would pass up something that would make them a thousand dollars if it would make someone they hate two thousand.
Bloody also make no distinction about a “reliable” source.For some reason it is imperative to see a presumptive nominees tax returns???
Not that bloody would nevertheless take my word for it but I can definitively prove that the IRS chaces those would fail to provide the Gv’ment enough spendin’ cabbage (ie,money).
Be glad to send you a copy (in PDF Format)
Hmm, doctors dropping out of Medicare / Medicaid but no one (Leftiess) wants to about LIFE, “death panels”, rationing following Omama’s 500 million (some say closer to 700 million) theif an double counting of monies.
A correction as I make mistakes like all humans;
Talk about LIFE and the supposed Obama plan? We passed so we could know what was in it (according to Pelosi) but everyone hasn’t seen everything yet and 2700 pages of crap was not enough.
No one here aside from the residents (not all if we count the Liberals) cares to mention that this is the largest tax increase in US history (Casper, Are you a “history teacher?) usurping power over a sixth of the economy.
I would be more than happy to present the actual facts of the Obama administration (he actually did a few good things) but like everything else–it would fall of deaf ears.
Another salient point to the Ryan plan is means testing. He actually wants to give more benefits to the poor and less to the rich. What a heartless bastard.
Congressman Ryan is a right-wing ideologue, and that is reflected in the positions that he’s taken.” – David Axlerod
And by that definition, Obama is a left wing ideologue and that is reflected in the positions he’s taken.
This is exactly how conservatives want to frame the debate, so thank you Mr Axlerod, we except your challenge and we will see you in November.
And as “right wing” is defined as believing that the United States Constitution is the best way to govern the nation, with its demand for a federal government severely restricted as to size, scope and power, and the “left wing” as the system of massive central government unrestricted regarding expansion of size and scope and power, the debate is becoming clarified.
I agree—thank you, Mr Axlerod—a name which, by the way, means to enable spin.
But, but, but–wait a minute. I was told that the Obama whatever is centralist ??? The radical right wing candidate(s) (Romney / Ryan) is to the right of even me–which is to the right of Genghis Khan (according to our centrists liberal friends.)
Please, as Ama has asked again and again, define left, centralist, and the right so I, and Genghis, can rest in peace.
While people turn to politics for many reasons—to gain power and implement an agenda as the face of a powerful political cabal (Obama) or because they really can’t do anything else (Biden) I believe that some are called to serve their nation. I think Condoleeza Rice is one of these. She had a wonderful, successful, rewarding life outside the public scrutiny of the political world, but she was asked to step away from it to serve her country and she did. Dick Cheney had a great job and time for family and fly fishing, but he was asked to set it aside to serve his nation and he did.
I think it’s obvious that Paul Ryan, with his intelligence and his ability to see solutions would have been very successful in business, no matter what he might have decided to do. But he made a choice. He thought his talents were best put to use in the service of his country.
I think he was right, and I am grateful that he made that decision. We did need him, and we do need him, and I for one am looking forward to expanding the scope of his service. There is no doubt in my mind that he is up to it.
After wading through one of the strangest, foulest, and most ignorant PL rants I have ever seen here—and you all know how bad it has to be to qualify as such—I did some thinking about Paul Ryan.
I thought about what a huge threat he must be to the RRL, to have them mobilizing their minions so quickly and arming them with so much sleaze. I thought about how quickly they lurched into full-tilt Politics of Personal Destruction, instead of building up to it, as I thought they would. I thought of the insanity of the claims they are making against one of the most irreproachable people to ever run for office.
And I thought about how energized his appointment made me feel. For the first time in eight years, maybe ten, I donated to the RNC. Only $500 for now, I want to keep some room for adding to that, but I wanted to do what I can right now to send the message that the Ryan naming is a good one and has brought energy and enthusiasm to what was looking like a mundane workmanlike campaign without a lot of spark.
It’s sparking now, and if you need proof, just look at the reaction from the RRL. I am planning to look up a local TEA Party or two—the lab experiment over at BAraKWARDS (with a nod to Tired for the great name) claims the TEA Party is ill-mannered, and that seems like the right reaction to the flood of sewage we can expect from the Left.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants!
We The People Are Coming!!
I know you mean well, Jeremiah, but I think it’s pretty early to start hollering about spilling the blood of tyrants. The people are coming in a peaceful and orderly fashion, not as a bloodthirsty rabble.
Just in case the people decide not to vote for R&R
OBUMMER AND HIS CABAL MUST GO!!
“Just in case the people decide not to vote for R&R”
So you are threatening to kill people if the election doesn’t go the way you want it to?
You seem to have set yourself up as judge and jury AND executioner.
So what would set your thuggery apart from that of the Left?
So what would set your thuggery apart from that of the Left?
My freedom, Ma’am!
You have a good day!
No, Jeremiah, NOTHING would set you apart from the thuggery we despise. And you would have no freedom because you would be held accountable for your violence. You are so far off base tonight, you really need to get a grip.
People who say they will take what they cannot win are people I distance myself from as quickly and as far as possible.
Well, I’m a “thug,” then…along with George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Sam Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and others…well known in their time of the greatest bloodshed this country has ever seen.
No more talk of violence as a solution to political problems or you will not be allowed to post here. //Moderator
If you think a bloodletting temper tantrum because you lose an election would make you in any way comparable to any of these men you are truly delusional.
You know who takes power at the point of a gun? Tyrants.
This line of discussion is ended. Promotion of violent solutions to political problems has no place on this blog. More posts along this like will result in you not being allowed to post here. //Moderator
Dear Moderator – Fair enough.
Ama,
I prefer a peaceful soultion through the ballot box but I believe their are others thinking no quite the same. Not imminent, not scheduled but an eye-opening consideration nonetheless.
“Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.”
I mean you do understand that there might come a day when the TEA party members (myself included) have been drawn over the line and we might just litter. LITTER I tell you
db. believe me, I too could be pushed over the edge into discarding trash in a disrespectful manner. But it would require extreme provocation.
As for military folks discussing the possibility of a rowdy group of TEA Partiers “…seizing control of a South Carolina town …” the role of the Army would probably just be to make notes on all the lawns mowed and windows washed while they were “invading”.
They would probably seize the cookies baked and cakes decorated with red, white and blue frosting, too. For evidence, you understand.
I saw a lecture once by a Pentagon official who talked about the various scenarios the military routinely “plans for”. If someone sees a movie about little green men coming to earth in flying saucers, there is likely to be an assignment to put together a strategy for dealing with little green men and flying saucers.
It was this kind of routine war gaming that got the Loony Left all wound up about the fantasy that Bush 43 was already planning an attack on Iraq before 9/11. The Pentagon undoubtedly had file cabinets full of detailed plans on possible warfare with every single government in the world, as well as Martians, Morlocks, and Constitution supporters.
Ama,
I truly understand as I got to write part of one of those plans. The Gv’ment has plans upon plans for every conceivable situation and that is a good thing (tm Martha); nevertheless this is just one more example of the standard bearers drawing the knives early on.
My guess is they are panicking.
No matter, all of the Marines I still speak with on a regular basis would rather provide sandbags and support to make sure the local lemonade stand stays open and provides a real service to the community–them rotten capital minions.
Cluster, thanks for leading off with “we are all mooches for taking part in Medicare.” So long as you refer to everyone else who partakes in government handouts as “moochers,” then those of you partaking in Medicare are moochers, too. It’s your term, not mine.
watty: “So long as you refer to everyone else who partakes in government handouts as “moochers,” then those of you partaking in Medicare are moochers, too.”
Well, watty then you should join us in support of Ryan’s plan that lets us out of the Democrats’ FORCED PARTICIPATION in that dying program!!
It is amazing to call individuals who are FORCED into a government program MOOCHERS! I know several people who are on Social Security (another FORCED PROGRAM) while their spouses work and are on PRIVATE INSURANCE and are FORCED to participate in MEDICARE, even though MEDICARE pays NO benefits since they consider the PRIVATE INSURANCE to be PRIMARY payer….
…. all the while, MEDICARE INSURANCE PREMIUMS are being deducted from their Social Security BENEFITS.
You need to stand up against forced participation rather than continue to support the failing status quo like a good little mindless drone, there watty.
Put up or shut up.
I love the answer to the first question in the link Cluster provided describing the Ryan/Republican roadmap:
The long-winded answer boils down to “Yes, it is a huge tax cut for the rich, but it’s good for you.” No where in the answer does it say it is not a huge tax cut for the rich, because of course it is. Just a delightful bit of obfuscation to avoid answering the question. It sounds like Little Amy could have written it.
Yeah, you go, wattle. All them damned rich retirees whose retirement incomes are from hard-earned already-taxed money producing interest and dividends! Screw ’em!
Double their damned taxes! Screw ’em!
And who needs investment dollars, anyway? If you haven’t built your own business in the first place you shouldn’t have to go out and get your own money for expansion and capital improvements—just go to the source of your original success!
Banks? Banks think they need deposits to have money to lend? What’s the government FOR, anyway, if not to handle things like this?
All those stupid people who think it is their responsibility to plan ahead for their own futures need to learn a thing or two. They will have the government to take care of them. All this crap about investing for the future to ensure a comfortable retirement? BALONEY! The government will tell you how much you need and then give it to you so you can just forget all those old rules about investing and knowing the money will be working to fuel the economy and to encourage this the tax on return will be less than you paid on the original income you then invested.
And then it will be FAIR because everyone will get the same from the government. The playing field will be very very level.
Planning and investing and saving are all so Old School. In the Brave New World, the government will decide how much money anyone OUGHT to be allowed to make—except for movie stars, whose multi-million dollar payoffs for the arduous work of pretending to be other people deserves lavish reward, and except for athletes, and except for a few select Liberals—so no one will have to worry about having money to invest anyway, and if they do, well, that would make them RICH and deserving to have it penalized.
And the fact that if every penny of “the Rich” were confiscated today it would not even dent the debt? Of no import. What counts is getting the rich.
Screw ’em, damned productive bastids.
You tell ’em, wattle. People can just go out and get their damned jobs from poor people!
You know since Watson thinks that I am living off his tax payer money, I just have to say that he is not doing a good enough job for me. C’mon Watson, I am very disappointed in the manner in which you are funding my health care and retirement. You need to do a hell of a lot better son.
Well I am not sure about anything anymore. I mean my mother who collects SS & is on Medicare is not voting for the “One we have been waiting for“. Neither are most of her friends, my family, or any of their friends and this is in the heart of the big “D” of Florida on the east coast.
Her (mothers) entire portfolio relies on dividends and capital gains so therefore she must be a rich bitch who hates me here keeping afloat in the middle class. Just like my brother who is a fire fighter–he calls me a “capitalistic bastard” because, like Romney, use some of my after taxes (about 50% when one includes State and county) for investment as I see fit.
Here is where I have to agree with Bardolf in that Ryan’s plans (there are two) I would rather invest my own money as I see fit and not have to pick from a Gv’ment plan which has a track record of less than 2% returns with 1% being the standard.
All you have to do is read watsons posts, and you realize how Obama got elected. He is full of hate, void of intelligence, and easily distracted. The perfect Obama voter.
Cluster, in all the time he has posted here, wattle has never posted a single sane and reasoned post explaining or defending any action of the Left. His sole reason for coming here is to wallow in his sick need to constantly attack and insult, evidently driven by his hatred and resentment for what he thinks is a political system and those who represent it but is really only a fantasy he has invented to try to validate and justify his pathology.
Talking to people the way he talks here, in real life, would brand him as at the very least having a serious personality disorder. But he can come here, pretend that his vitriol is excused by the delusion that it is political commentary, and feel less isolated from sanity.
cluster
yuuuuup
I despise Hollywood…I wish that place would burn to the ground, and wash away.
Jeremiah, you seem to be having a very bad day. When this happens you should remind yourself not to post here until you have gotten control of yourself. When people talk about looking forward to bloodletting and fires and people washing away, it sounds pretty nuts.
The injustice in this country is sickening.
Amazona, you crack me up. LOL
Jeremiah, we are all with you man, but we will win on ideas, principles and intelligence, concepts of which the other side has none of. No need to threaten to burn the place down.
we will win on ideas, principles and intelligence
That is the hope, anyway, Cluster.
But as we’ve seen and known from history, and are taught by it…those who forget their past, are doomed to repeat it…and we live in a generation of the very type who would disregard history’s lessons and be caught off guard by a government takeover to which they never expected. Then it would be too late to win at the ballot box.
I guess you never go to the movies?
Never been. And proud to say that I have never been.
They create crackpots like yourself, bozo, and the shooter that shot up a crowd full of theater-goers.
Last thread I stated that Ryan’s choice would be a problem in FL. I know you won’t like the source, but I think it makes my point.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/12/1119510/-PANIC-MSM-Romney-is-in-Big-Big-Trouble
Nothing to see here Casper. The MSM is just engaging in the politics of personal destruction and doing Obama’s dirty work. They have been doing that for years. You should start paying closer to attention to what’s going on.
Have you wrapped your mind around Ryan’s reform plans yet?
The point is that the Complicit Agenda Media have rushed to get their attack dogs baying before Ryan has had a chance to correct the vicious lie that he “wants to pull the plug on Grandma”.
It is also that sheer gullibility cannot explain your attraction to smears, lies and dirty campaign tactics. That you find them so irresistible, like a moth to a flame, and so convincing, says a lot about you but not a thing about reality.
Your glee at what you hope is the trouncing of the Republican ticket is very premature.
Wow –
http://m.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/romneyryan-rally-planned-for-waukesha-sunday-night-096f6lt-165842666.html
Cluster,
So is picking up WI’s 10 electoral votes worth losing FL’s 27?
Don’t unscrew the cap on the Andre “champagne” yet, cappy. So far all that has happened is that the Rabidly Radical Left has gotten a jump on honesty by pumping out a pack of lies. Those demagogues know that there are cappys out there just waiting for a chance to slurp down the RRL koolaid.
Wait a month or so, till the truth starts to filter through the lies you find so alluring before you start to celebrate.
Casper,
I just hope you, the MSM, and the democrats continue to launch personal attacks. And of course you will because you have nothing else, so keep at it. By the time November comes around, Americans will see right through you, and will be sick of your juvenile antics.
cluster,
Exactly how are my comments “personal attacks” against Ryan?
The only legitimate reason to oppose the Romney/Ryan ticket is a sincere belief that the Constitutional model of governance is not the best way to run the country.
And, cappy, don’t pull that innocent big-eye thing here. When you link to lies about Ryan and what he proposes you are participating in an attack on him, just in your usual passive weenie way.
You repeat, buy into, and are complicit with the MSM ad hominen attacks. Don’t try and distance yourself now.
Casper,
If you want honesty–at this point (Sun. night) there have been no new polls (which I really do not believe anyway) since the announcement of Ryan but RCP has Obama up by 1 in Florida and down by NC (two states that I have interest in) and 3 of the 7 polls have been shown to have a bias between +9 -> +12 Democrat (Florida). What I did notice is everyone has finally turned towards LV (Likely Voters) rather than the normal blather.
Casper,
Why is Obama/Biden ticket not running on “Look what we have done for (to?) you over the last 3+ years–vote for me because I have solved the world’s problems and stopped the tide from lapping at you doors”
What particular highlight of the Obama administration (aside from the largest tax increase in history) would you present as a reason for voting for another 4 years wading through regulation crap during the American version of Japan’s lost decade?
Here’s a slogan idea for Romney/Ryan.
We did build this, and we don’t lead from behind.
Hmm, something must be amiss;
Romney/Ryan have an audience of 10,000+ in NC and again in Wi while ‘“At Obama fundraiser in Chicago. Admission only $51, but room is half full,” New York Times reporter Jodi Kantor wrote on Twitter.‘
Yeah, but what do the POLLS say?
And the nuns?
And the Daily Kos?
EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016
U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
The Washington Times
Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.
NOTICE…
.TEA party.….
NOT OWS, NBPP, ANARCHISTS, UNION THUGS, COMMIES………..maybe Jer isnt so far off base.
A professor at the Joint Forces Staff College was relieved of duty in June for uttering the heresy that the United States is at war with Islam.
The Obama administration contended the professor had to be relieved because what he was teaching was not U.S. policy. Because there is no disclaimer attached to the Small Wars piece,
it is fair to ask, at least in Col. Benson’s case, whether his views reflect official policy regarding the use of U.S. military force against American citizens.
You’re a little late to the party, here, neo—the rumor that someone is developing a strategy for dealing with a rambunctious TEA Party was addressed a few posts ago.
And no, Jeremiah was WAY off base. I found his rants very disturbing and hope they don’t reflect the way he really thinks, but were just an overreaction to something that really bothered him.
db
the thing that is remiss is the kenyan and his commie regime.
‘Family Man’: Obama Welcomes Paul Ryan Into Race as Campaign Launches Twitter Tirade
“FACT: Paul Ryan supports writing discrimination into the Constitution with an amendment banning gay marriage”
larry must be soooo proud of his doper “buddy” barry……
Hilarious
the DNC??
The DONKS at work for you……
20 hurt in shootings across city (Chicago) since Friday
Chicago Sun Times ^ | August 12, 2012 10:06AM
isnt this where the kanyan was a community agitator??
yo yo yo….chicag-o
From left-leaning Politifact.com:
How we chose the 2011 Lie of the Year
By Bill Adair
Published on Tuesday, December 20th, 2011 at 12:01 a.m.
For the first time since PolitiFact started naming a Lie of the Year, readers and editors have made different choices for the top falsehood.
PolitiFact editors chose the Democratic line that Republicans voted “to end Medicare” as the 2011 Lie of the Year …………………………..
We define the Lie of the Year as the most significant falsehood, the one that had the most impact on the political discourse.
We discussed each of the other finalists and concluded that while clearly false, they failed to be as significant as the Medicare claim, which ignored the fact that people 55 and older would remain on traditional Medicare and that even with the privatized system under Ryan’s bill, younger people would still receive a guarantee of care.
And more than any of our other finalists, the Medicare claim had staying power. The Democrats launched it just four days after the House vote in April and then repeated it many times all year. It was the latest chapter in a long-running “Mediscare” strategy to frighten senior citizens that their benefits are in jeopardy if they support Republicans.
As we were concluding our reporting for our Lie of the Year story last week, Ryan announced that he was altering his plan and would retain an option for people to stay in traditional Medicare if they want.
His announcement of a bipartisan effort with Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., changes the dynamic in the polarized debate and could increase the likelihood that Congress adopts his approach.
Matt Miller, a senior fellow at the left-leaning Center for American Progress, wrote that Ryan “has plausibly inoculated his party against a full-frontal Mediscare campaign. Or at least he gives Republicans a credible rebuttal to neutralize it.”
But Ryan’s latest tactic doesn’t affect our decision on Lie of the Year. The statements made about his original plan were clearly inaccurate, they were repeated by many Democrats and they perpetuated a 60-year tactic in using false claims to scare seniors.”
Yes ama, the old “eding Medicare as we know it” LIE designed to scare the seniors.
Considering that in 1965, Congressional budgeters predicted Medicare to cost $12 billion – it really cost $97 BILLION.
The program is unsustainable! “Ending Medicare as we know it” and reforming it is absolutely required for its survival!
But the proggy looters won’t tell the mindless drones, like watty, cappy and denny, those details.
Keeping the electorate dumb is the only way these proggy looters can get elected and stay in office.
From RedState this morning:
“It is mathematically indisputable that should President Barack Obama obtain his legislative desire and increase taxes on those making $250,000.00 a year or more the nation would not close even this year’s budget deficit. Never mind the $16 trillion in national debt, the income brought in through that tax increase would not balance this year’s federal budget.
It is also mathematically indisputable that should the Democrats’ obtain the ultimate fantasy of the grade school marxists routinely populating the ranks of left-wing economists, more commonly referred to as the “Occupy Wall Street” movement — confiscating 100% of income from all those making $250,000.00 a year or more — the nation still would not close this year’s budget deficit.
Marxist sounding pablum about the rich paying their fair share and not building their businesses aside, the Democrats’ covetousness of American salaries accomplishes nothing more than temporarily satiating their addiction to spending. Paul Ryan, as Mitt Romney’s Vice Presidential nominee, has made a career of shining the spotlight on the Democrats’ addiction to spending.
Paul Ryan’s budget plan, called the “Path to Prosperity” has become a necessary lightening rod on the road to fiscal sanity. Because of the President’s spending addiction, the nation has been without a real budget for more than one thousand days. President Obama’s budget plans for the past few years have been too radical even for the most radical Democrats in Congress, failing to pass even the Democrat controlled Senate with a single vote.
Despite the rhetoric from spending addicts on the left, Paul Ryan’s plan is not the radical path conservatives would prefer. The plan does not balance the federal budget for three decades and is premised on the assumption that future congresses will show restraint. Three decades is an extraordinarily long time, but the plan does eventually balance, which is something the President’s own budget never does.”
Very good synopsis. Here’s the line we need to pound into liberals head:
The plan does not balance the federal budget for three decades and is premised on the assumption that future congresses will show restraint. Three decades is an extraordinarily long time, but the plan does eventually balance,
That’s why it is called a PATH. A sensible, mature approach that address’s our fiscal problems without throwing grandmother over the cliff.
“The Left is squalling that Ryan “wants to destroy Medicare as we know it” (ignoring the fact that as we know it it is already failing) but it will destroy itself if nothing is done.”
“The statements made about Ryan’s original plan were clearly inaccurate, they were repeated by many Democrats and they perpetuated a 60-year tactic in using false claims to scare seniors.”
“It is mathematically indisputable that confiscating 100% of income from all those making $250,000.00 a year or more still would not close this year’s budget deficit.”
eagle
maybe IF the 47% who pay NO fed taxes only paid their “fair share” say 10% ………dong screeching and wailing to begin in…..3….2….1
I’m finally coming up for air following my annual mid-summer grandson fix, who, this year brought their two 4-month-old miniature Australian Shepherd puppies with them. Fun times. I’m still busier than a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest, but I wanted to weigh in on the selection of Ryan. The selection reflects the thoughtful and analytical nature of Romney, highly desirable traits for a President and traits that his opponent is sorely lacking. And the contrast between Ryan and Biden is about as stark as between any VP candidates in my lifetime.
This is just a personal observation, but I think, try as they will, the Donks are going to have a difficult time selling the idea that Romney and Ryan are two evil SOBs who want dirtier air and water and want to destroy Social Security and Medicare and throw grandma off the cliff. Ryan adds an element to the campaign that I don’t think any other of the possible choices would have; the ability to actually articulate the difference between the two sides on the issues that matter to the majority of Americans. Assuming there is a Vice Presidential debate, it could be one for the ages.
reality then
But this year, Ryan unveiled a new proposal, with Wyden at his side. The revised plan would give seniors a choice between private insurance and traditional Medicare. When Ryan and Wyden unveiled the policy,
the democRAT LIE now
Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) is trying to distance himself from the controversial Medicare plan he wrote with Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), saying Republicans shouldn’t call it a bipartisan proposal.
are there NO democRATS cretins whose values are NOT lower than whale SHIITE??
what a soul less bunch of MO-FO’s
Ahem……..
House Votes 414-0 to Reject Obama’s Budget Plan
the B slap heard around the world…..
There’s a political corollary that goes something like this:
You know Barack Obama is crook and a failure and unfit to be president, and I know Barack Obama is a crook and a failure and unfit to be president, but do a majority of American voters know Barack Obama is a crook and a failure and unfit to be president?”
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/the_real_danger_of_the_obama_campaign_strategy.html#ixzz23Sa1zNCs
Yikes
Democrat Mary Gonzalez was the first lesbian to openly serve in the Texas House of Representatives, and now she’s becoming the
first “pansexual,” too.
“During the campaign if I had identified as pansexual, I would have overwhelmed everyone…Now that I’m out of the campaign, I’m completely much more able to define it,” she explained
bwany? larry? barry? a new definition? out of the pot and into the pan??
University Suspends Chick-Fil-A from Campus [NC college is first to do so]
LOL “In the spirit of Tolerance, the Davidson College Student Council voted to not tolerate Chick-Fil-A on campus. A spokesman said “We hate anyone who practices hate. We will ban anyone who doesn’t support freedom”.
We will ban anyone who doesn’t support freedom”.
Well, except for freedom of speech and thought.
BREAKING
2 killed, including a police officer, in Texas A&M shooting; gunman also dead
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/texas_active_shooter_on_campus_apprehended_ZLCohLDEW2StEyPRQaLTAO#ixzz23SklWjDv
NOT breaking…….pg 69 last we
20 Shot In Chicago: 10-Year-Old Among Victims Of Weekend Violence
Looks like Davidson College needs to offer a degree in irony.