It’s Ryan!

Mitt Romney has  solidified the conservative credentials of the ticket, and has positioned the conservative movement for the future with the pick of Paul Ryan! And I couldn’t be more pleased. As a seven term congressional representative and Chair of the House Budget Committee, Ryan has proven that he can appeal to the electorate, and win in a very blue state. He also has a unique ability to expose the lunacy of liberal policy, and articulate it in a very common sense manner. Democrats need to be very worried, and this may also prompt Obama to dump Biden, because let’s face it, Ryan is smarter, younger and has more common sense than either one of them on every issue. This is a great pick Mitt, well done.

115 thoughts on “It’s Ryan!

  1. Amazona August 11, 2012 / 10:18 am

    I think Ryan is a great choice, and I have been hoping he would be the pick.

    He’s got it all: He’s incredibly smart, and knows how to apply his intelligence to problem solving, which is important. He is from a solid blue-collar background and understands the economy from that perspective. He has gotten where he is because of his intelligence and drive and dedication to serving his country. He understands politics, and he has a deeper and more detailed understanding of economy than anyone else I can think of.

    I was really relieved to turn on the TV this morning and learn that he had been chosen as Romney’s running mate. I like Pawlenty a lot and would have been happy with him, but had some questions about some of the others on the alleged “short list”—mostly concerns about Rubio and Jindal, regarding their citizenship status. I don’t think any of the possibilities would have added as much to the ticket as Ryan will.

    As for p-pop’s link, on another thread, to a list of whines about Ryan’s record, it is this record that makes him such a standout candidate.

    • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 11:11 am

      From Ryan’s speech this morning:

      “If you have a small business – you did build that!!”


    • Canadian Observer August 12, 2012 / 6:51 am

      Wow, Ryan sounds like an amazing fellow, Amazona. Wouldn’t it be great if he were the Republican Presidential candidate instead of Romney? We can only hope that, like Cheney, he will be the one making the decisions and pulling the strings for the puppet in the Oval Office.

      • Retired Spook August 12, 2012 / 9:59 am

        CO, what an odd thing to say.

      • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 10:52 am

        Spook, CO was just trying to figure out how to drag BOOOOOSH!!!!!! into the RRL noise machine.

        We knew it was only a matter of time.

  2. Bob August 11, 2012 / 11:16 am

    I still think that it will be a very close election. Our country is too divided to get a large majority of the people to agree on much of anything, particularly how to fix our major problems.

    • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 11:57 am

      I think a lot is going to depend on how the choices are framed.

      It sounds very good to say the election is about issues but I don’t agree.

      I think the true choice is between political SYSTEMS, and I am wondering if this is going to be brought up. I know Romney’s people are talking about this being an election of ideology, but so far I have seen “ideology” defined by issues and not by the actual political systems.

      • sarahbloch August 11, 2012 / 12:15 pm

        This election is about the direction of the country and with Ryan as the VP selection the choice is between the far Right conservatives and liberal centrists. Obama is now ensured a narrow victory.

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 12:16 pm

        Charles Krauthammer said the other day there are two ways to run against Obama. Run against his policies or his ideology and he preferred the latter. Of course Rush has been saying this for over a year. Romney and Ryan need to attack his ideology. That’s how they win.

        R & R 2012!

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 12:17 pm

        Liberal centrists!


      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 12:26 pm

        blotch, please define your terms.

        “far Right conservative” = ?

        “liberal centrist” = ?

        Do you feel that being a “liberal” is consistent with believing that the United States should be governed by its rule of law, the Constitution?

        What, in your mind, constitutes FAR right?

      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 12:39 pm

        Cluster, I’ve been pounding the Ideology Drum here for months now.

        I think that divisiveness stems from differences on issues, not on ideology. I believe that most Americans believe we should be governed by our Constitution, and will vote that way if that is the way the choice is framed.

        This is why the Left works so hard to muddy the waters. They throw out silly terms like “liberal centrists”—-meaningless but appealing to those who demand an identity to spare them the trouble of developing an ideology.

        This is why the Left focuses so much on “issues”—real and contrived. Just look at the bogus “issues” they are promoting now. Here in Colorado I have already seen two TV ads featuring whiny, bewildered, FRIGHTENED females, who whimper about their FEARS that Romney as president will take us back to the 1950s regarding things like abortion (which they coyly call “a woman’s right to CHOOSE”) and contraception. It is bizarre that anyone would have the chutzpah to even make such utterly stupid and false ads, but they keep cranking them out.

        The Left is far safer creating an imaginary future full of imaginary threats than it would be with a campaign that says “As adults you need to choose between the Constitutional model of governing the United States, which is keeping the federal government small and severely restricted to the enumerated duties laid out in the Constitution, and keeping most of the power at the state and local levels, or large and powerful central government which controls pretty much everything in the country”.

        The LAST thing the Left can handle is an honest campaign about the REAL choice —-that of one system of government or the other.

        So we will see everything they can dig up, invent, distort, and lie about, all thrown at the electorate in a desperate attempt to distract them from this choice and convince them that Romney is the bogie man, evil, etc.

        Anything and everything but the truth.

      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 12:42 pm

        blotch, you yourself say “This election is about the direction of the country” so tell us, which direction do YOU think the country should go?

        In the direction of being governed according to its Constitution or in the direction of ignoring and subverting the Constitution?

      • Bob August 11, 2012 / 1:21 pm

        I don’t believe that enough voters are really committed to a constitutional system of representative government to make it work. They are more interested in getting representatives who will get them the benefits that they seek for the “issues” that personally concern them than they are in the governmental “systems” that may try to define the sources of these benefits. They may be somewhat opposed to “socialism” or “communism” by name, but too many people are still in favor of “cheap” or “free” benefits if they can get someone else to pay for them. Debating the different benefits that may be provided by different political “systems” is way above the rational rhetoric that is now the contest of our “popular” political elections.

      • tiredoflibbs August 11, 2012 / 1:22 pm

        Please tell us Forker who running on the liberal ticket that is a “centrist”?

        I have heard LIES before but this is the epitome of knowingly stating well known falsehoods!!

        Next thing you’ll tell us that one of you fellow forkers fought and died in the Civil War!

        You statement is so funny it is pathetic for admitting you believe that complete crap!

      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 1:59 pm

        Bob, this is exactly why we must define terms and apply the correct language to the opposing political systems.

        When we let people get away with nonsense like “liberal centrist” we become complicit in their ignorance.

        The first thing we need to do is get away from Identity Politics. Words like Republican and Democrat and Socialist and Communist are too easily manipulated and too easily take on emotional connotations that interfere with rational thought.

        This is why I harp on the need to DEFINE the two opposing systems and state, quite clearly, what each represents and really means.

        That’s why I keep going back to the most basic of the basics:
        Central government severely restricted as to size, scope and power, with most of the power reserved for the states and the people, vs most of the power and authority concentrated in a massive central government, with very little authority left to local government or the people.

        Giving people a choice of LABELS is foolish, yet this is what we do. We slap labels on everything and then emotions get attached to the labels—“My Aunt Susie is a Republican and she is a mean, spiteful, bigoted bitch, so I hate Republicans” which makes it pretty much impossible to vote for a Republican, even if you believe in the Constitutional model of governance.

        We all do this to some extent but especially with politics, partly because demagoguery is so common. When certain characteristics are attached to certain labels, they stick, and become part of what we think we know, instead of just what we feel.

        The next thing would be to separate policy from perception. For example, long ago I quit arguing against socialized medicine, because the arguments for it are so deeply rooted in emotion. I just started saying “Hey, if you want government-sponsored health care, fine, but just do it legally—-that is, either amend the Constitution to make it legal at the federal level, or move it into the states where the 10th Amendment doesn’t prohibit it”. That simple statement has often shifted the whole discourse from one of rancor and opposition to a reasonable discussion of what the Constitution will and will not allow, without challenging the basic premise of government paying for health care.

      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 2:06 pm

        Here is an example: How many Dem-voting parents would vote in favor of an “…educational philosophy which calls for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplays achievement tests in favor of activism…” if it is laid out this way?

        Yet they will vote for a man whose job it was to implement this educational philosophy, which means he clearly believes in it.

        Why? Because of the LABELS attached to him and his opponents, and the emotional content of those labels. The reality is buried in the rhetoric, which is the whole idea.

        The Left does it as a tactic, and the Right goes along with it because we are so inept at dealing with this kind of emotional manipulation and semantic infiltration.

  3. Raging Bull August 11, 2012 / 1:00 pm

    This election is about the direction of the country and with Ryan as the VP selection the choice is between the far Right conservatives and liberal centrists. Obama is now ensured a narrow victory.

    this is one of the funnier things posted by the libiots who troll this site.

    • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 1:40 pm

      Isn’t it, though?

      These people can’t define “right” any more than they can define “left”, they are utterly clueless about the core ideology of either side, and like to use the lower-case “L” liberal because that lets them conflate the political term with the dictionary meaning of the word when it is not associated with politics.

      Hell, I’m as liberal as they come when it comes to a lot of things. Many times when I have met new people and gotten into discussions on spirituality, drugs, art, music, etc. I have had people finally say “Wow—I can’t believe you are a CONSERVATIVE!”

      That’s because I define conservative as the belief that this nation is best governed by our Constitution and that Leftist governance is a failure, always has been a failure, and always will be a failure.

      But you see, I know the difference. I am lower-case “C” conservative in some areas, lower-case “L” liberal in many, but politically I am always Capital C Conservative and absolutely convinced that Capital L Liberalism is a disaster, an idealistic and unreasonable system based on hope and Magical Thinking which, in the dishonest guise of liberating people, strips them of their liberties and inevitably leads to outrageous corruption, oppression, economic misery and often the slaughter of millions.

      And I also believe that it is possible for people to believe that abortion is really a woman’s choice and that gay people ought to be able to call their unions “marriage” and still be politically conservative because they believe that our Constitution is the best way to govern our nation and not collectivist, redistributionist, Leftist dogma.

      I think we make a big mistake, one harmful to our nation, when we send the message that to be a conservative you have to share the same views on the same moral and social issues that are held by many political conservatives. When we drive people away from voting for the Constitutional model of government because they have different views on non-political things, we aid and abet the opposition and send votes their way, and I think it is foolish and self-destructive.

      • neocom1 August 11, 2012 / 3:46 pm

        great choice,,,

  4. bardolf August 11, 2012 / 4:07 pm

    “Individuals 55 and older will remain in the current system and will not be affected by this proposal in any way: they will receive the benefits they have been promised, and have planned for, during their working years. All other workers will have a choice to stay in the current system or begin contributing to personal accounts. Those who choose the personal account option will have the opportunity to begin investing a significant portion of their payroll taxes into a series of funds managed by the U.S. government. ” – Ryan Plan

    If I don’t want my money in Social Security why do I have to have it managed by the U.S. government at all? I don’t see any reason to believe the US government will do a better job than the managers at TIAA-CREF which has lost money over the last 15 years.

    • neocom1 August 11, 2012 / 4:13 pm

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    • Count d'Haricots August 13, 2012 / 10:53 am

      “the managers at TIAA-CREF which has lost money over the last 15 years.”

      No TIAA-CREF didn’t lose money over the last 15 years; the returns from TIAA-CREF has averaged 8% during that period.

  5. GMB August 11, 2012 / 4:31 pm

    I would love to vote for both Mitt and Paul but I want reassurances that both men have enough gravitas to go for the win.

    I am just so on the fence here. 😛

    I think Ryan is an excellent choice. To bad he will have to leave the HoR though, he is a very big thorn in stooges side.

  6. bloodypenquinstump August 11, 2012 / 5:02 pm

    LOL Randroid idiot for VP

    Ryan raved about Rand in no less than five interviews from 1996 to 2005. She got him through his childhood

    “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

    • GMB August 11, 2012 / 8:04 pm

      Whats the matter, your snap get cut off?

    • watsonredux August 11, 2012 / 8:14 pm

      Of course, now he pulls a Romney and completely contradicts himself. From April this year:

      “I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas.”

      He and Mitt ought to get along great; neither one of them can stand their former selves.

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 8:52 pm

        And I remember Obama disowning Rev Wright the minute he became inconvenient.

        Is that the best you got Watson? You should be very worried, Ryan will bring out the conservatives and the independents.

      • watsonredux August 11, 2012 / 9:09 pm

        There’s a difference, Cluster. Romney–and now, Ryan–reject everything they once stood for. How can you support them when you don’t even know what they stand for? Oh, right. They have an R behind their name. Just more hypocrisy.

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 9:29 pm

        Watson, ye of the most moronic liberals. Romney and Ryan hardly reject everything they previously stood for, and have the same principles and ideology that most Americans have which is bad news for you. They will also begin to tear apart Obama limb by limb on the ideological debate which will be a joy to watch.

      • dbschmidt August 13, 2012 / 12:59 am

        Come on Watson… they “evolved” ;-0

    • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 8:54 pm

      Keep making it about personality bloody, and we will continue to make it about ideology and incompetence. We will win on that every time.

    • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 11:21 pm

      stumpy seems to think we don’t really understand how stupid s/he is, so stopped by to remind us.

      stumpy asserts that Ayn Rand “…got him (Ryan) through his childhood…” That’s a pretty melodramatic statement, but then, this IS stumpy.

      Yet the quote, which I guess is suppose to be a Ryan quote, slams Rand and Atlas Shrugged. Can it be that stumpy really didn’t get this?

      “childish fantasy”
      “unbelievable heroes”
      “emotionally stunted”
      “socially crippled”
      “unable to deal with the real world”

      Not quite sure how this translates into a “rave” but then when you are as corkscrewed as stumpy, anything is possible.

      If this really is a Ryan quote, all he says is that this is a book that “changed his life”—not that he loved it, not that he identified with it, not that he decided to be inspired by it.

      It sounds to me like it presented different views which made him think—a truly life-changing experience which stumpy clearly has yet to go through.

      You guys are so pathetic. What is it about this nice conservative Catholic man that has drawn you out of your lairs to spit venom and hatred and lies? Wow. I knew the long knives would be out for him but I never thought they would be so transparently stupid.

      • sarahbloch August 12, 2012 / 9:48 am

        Amazona you have a choice. Ayn Rand or Jesus Christ. Politics is not a buffet you have to choose one or the other not both as it suits you.

      • tiredoflibbs August 12, 2012 / 10:17 am

        Wow forker, I thought with you proggies it was always “shades of gray” and never a choice between black and white…..

        … of course, only when it suits you.

        A choice between Ayn Rand and Jesus Christ?

        Sorry, we don’t treat our politics like a religion as you proggies do. Well in your case, with your land of make believe you will have to choose between that and reality. We see you do not like reality so much that you have to create some drug induced fantasy for you to cope with life. You are not the one to give advice or choices.


      • tiredoflibbs August 12, 2012 / 10:19 am

        “childish fantasy”
        “unbelievable heroes”
        “emotionally stunted”
        “socially crippled”
        “unable to deal with the real world”

        Those describe the minions at the pitchfork to the last detail!

      • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 10:31 am

        bloch are you saying that I can’t eat at a restaurant without abandoning my religious beliefs and adopting those of the chef?

        That strolling through the Louvre I can only admire works of art created by Christians?

        You do lead an odd and distorted little life, don’t you?

      • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 10:36 am

        Tired is right—you do seem to have politics and religion all muddled up, probably because you reject religion and are utterly clueless about politics.

        But mostly you just look for places to deposit your vast store of vitriol and hate and don’t even care how stupid you look doing it.

        Which brings me to the observation I have made so many times—-for a person or a multiple personality or whatever you are, even the fantasy world you have created has done nothing to make you happy. Every word from any of you is dripping with hatred and oozing misery.

      • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 10:39 am

        blotch, why won’t you answer my questions? Here, I’ll give you another shot—-

        Amazona August 11, 2012 at 12:26 pm

        blotch, please define your terms.

        “far Right conservative” = ?

        “liberal centrist” = ?

        Do you feel that being a “liberal” is consistent with believing that the United States should be governed by its rule of law, the Constitution?

        What, in your mind, constitutes FAR right?

        Or are you admitting that you just throw stuff out without a clue as to what any of it means?

      • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 11:09 am

        Though I am sure it was completely by accident, the blotch on this blog did stumble upon a fact: It’s pretty obvious that brushing up against truth is always a matter of happenstance with the blotch.

        “Politics is not a buffet you have to choose one or the other not both as it suits you.”

        Which is why the spineless Left like casper can’t bleat that they believe in and support the Constitution while at the same time arguing for expansion of federal size, scope and power.

        Which is why when I challenge someone who is obviously supporting the Left to define the two opposing ideologies and explain why he or she has chosen the Left, there is never—NEVER—an answer. No one wants to come out and admit to wanting to discard or subvert the Constitution, but they want to be able to pick and choose what in it serves their purpose and what does not.

        This is how we get people claiming 1st Amendment protection for smearing feces on religious icons and then turning around and trying to silence free political speech with the so-called Fairness Act.

        It’s the RRL who treat politics as a buffet, picking a little here and a little there from whatever advances their agendas.

  7. Jeremiah August 11, 2012 / 5:26 pm

    Hammer time!!
    Time to rally behind R&R!!

    Let’s just Get ‘er done!!

  8. Cluster August 11, 2012 / 5:49 pm

    Cluster, I’ve been pounding the Ideology Drum here for months now. – Amazona

    You are correct, and I failed to mention that. I think this is the best way to attack Obama, because policies can be spun and propagandized. Ideology is what it is.

  9. Casper August 11, 2012 / 8:57 pm

    Rubio would have been a better choice. He would have given Romney Florida and a large chunk of the Hispanic vote. Ryan loses Florida for Romney (Seniors don’t like their Medicare taken away) and won’t bring in Wisconsin (people in his district love him, the rest of the state, not so much).

    • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 9:08 pm


      Romney will win Florida hands down and just the other day I wrote a thread on being honest, so why do you continue to be dishonest? Ryan’s budget simply slows the rate of growth of medicare over ten years. It still increases spending by over a trillion dollars. Read up on it instead of listening to the dishonest media.

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 9:25 pm

        Yes it does Casper, for those 55 and younger, so no current senior is affected which is a fact you and other liberals are ignorant of, or dishonest about. I think it’s the former. And for those 55 and younger, you have an option. An option is a choice Casper, you are pro choice right?

      • watsonredux August 11, 2012 / 9:29 pm

        You’re right, Cluster. Which means most of the B4V crowd who rely on government entitlements to live on–NeoClown, Spook and all the rest–can feel comfortable knowing that Romney/Ryan won’t cut them off. How convenient. That’s really all it boils down to for you guys. As long as you get your government check, you’re good.

      • watsonredux August 11, 2012 / 9:31 pm

        Even Ryan, by your definition, has never worked an honest day in his life, having been a politician virtually all of his adult life. Such experience! You can rest assured that he and his family will continue to receive health care paid for by the taxpayer.

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 9:32 pm

        Watson, you are the king of simpletons. Time and time again you prove your self to be an unthinking person which would embarrass a lot of people, but not you.

        Why shouldn’t neo and spook receive the benefits that they PAID for? Tell me that moron. If given the option, they would have opted out of those programs but fascists like you won’t allow them to do it, now will you?

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 9:34 pm


        Just know that I not only want to defeat people like you and Obama, I want to destroy you.

        Have a nice day.

      • Casper August 11, 2012 / 9:38 pm

        If Ryan’s plan offers a choice between the current system and vouchers and no one takes the vouchers, how would that save on the costs?

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 9:42 pm

        It slows the rate of growth by quite a bit considering it doesn’t include the massive expansion that Obamacare calls for, but it still increases spending by over $1 trillion over ten years, and this something that some conservatives still are not fully behind, but it is still a much better program than Obamacare. I like Ryan because he is not afraid to think outside the box on challenging issues. And I happen to think that a fair amount of people will opt for the vouchers and choose their own care especially considering that many doctors no longer take Medicare patients.

      • Casper August 11, 2012 / 9:43 pm

        Just curious as to why you think Romney will win Florida hands down. At this point he is behind in the polls and I don’t see his choice of Ryan is going to help him.

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 9:44 pm


        You should read the book The Amateur by Edward Klein, I think it would open your eyes.

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 9:47 pm

        Florida just recently elected a conservative governor, senator (Rubio) and many other local reps. Plus Obama cut $500 billion from Medicare to help pay for Obamacare (talk about taking Medicare away from seniors), plus I don’t think the Jews are real pleased with Obama.

      • Casper August 11, 2012 / 9:49 pm

        August 11, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

        “You should read the book The Amateur by Edward Klein, I think it would open your eyes.”

        Sorry, not into fiction right now.

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 9:51 pm

        You are definitely closed minded aren’t you Cap. I just schooled you on the Ryan plan and you refuse to see it.

      • Casper August 11, 2012 / 9:55 pm

        August 11, 2012 at 9:47 pm #
        “Florida just recently elected a conservative governor, senator (Rubio) and many other local reps. Plus Obama cut $500 billion from Medicare to help pay for Obamacare (talk about taking Medicare away from seniors), plus I don’t think the Jews are real pleased with Obama.”

        And yet the polls are still showing Obama with a lead. It was almost two years ago that Scott and Rubio were elected and Scott’s approval rating has been dropping like a rock.

      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 9:56 pm

        “Sorry, not into fiction right now.”

        Isn’t casper just the most pweshuss wittle thing? You can just hear him smirk when he writes this.

        Of course he knows nothing at all about the book, such as the sources for the information, but as usual doesn’t let his ignorance stop him from posting.

      • watsonredux August 11, 2012 / 10:03 pm

        Cluster said, “Why shouldn’t neo and spook receive the benefits that they PAID for? Tell me that moron.”

        First off, Clown and Spook did not pay for their current health care. It is provided by today’s taxpayers. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Are you really that dense, Cluster? You can be sure that if their health care entitlement was threatened, they would come up with some justification for why it is right and necessary that we all pay for it, and claim to be conservatives while they’re at it.

        Second, if you want to claim that there really is a Social Security trust fund, then fine, but be consistent. When it’s not convenient, you morons simply assert that there is no such thing and it’s simply a Ponzi scheme. So which is it?

        Ryan is just a charlatan. His vaunted budget has been analyzed by many economists and it doesn’t add up. You’d think that such a smart person as Paul Ryan could make a budget that, you know, adds up. He is, after all, the smartest person on the planet. Well, next to Newt, of course.

        He has already personally benefited from Social Security, and now that he has a nice, secure government job, then hey, let’s get rid of it for everyone else.

        He has zero experience outside of government. Oh, I forgot: He drove the WienerMobile once. He has never had to meet a payroll. He has never had to run a business. He has no business experience whatsoever. Over and over you guys claim business experience is a litmus test for the office. Except when it’s your guy. Just more hypocrisy from B4V.

      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 10:06 pm

        Evidently the wattle has given up on even trying to pretend to tell the truth about anything. Latest example: “….most of the B4V crowd who rely on government entitlements to live on–NeoClown, Spook and all the rest–…”

        Well, let’s just take a look at that lie, shall we?

        Neo writes often about the business he still owns and runs, working every day to earn his money. Spook has been quite candid about his business, which he owns and runs and which supports him. The Count has a job, db has a job, Cluster has a job, GMB runs a farm, Jeremiah works, I own and run my own business—just who do you accuse of “relying on government entitlements to live on” ?

        Each of us has talked about our work so you can’t claim you don’t know. You just lie.

        You also need to learn the definition of “entitlements:. When money is deducted from your earnings with the promise that it will be returned to you later, and some of it is, that is not an “entitlement”. An “entitlement” is something the government GIVES you, not something the government returns to you in dribs and drabs after having the use of it for a few decades.

      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 10:15 pm

        Wow. I see the lemmings are energized.

        Tell you what, casper and wattle—if you don’t like the Romney/Ryan ticket, don’t vote for it. It’s as simple as that.

        Go ahead and vote for a political system which is the antithesis of that set out in the Constitution. You may not have the cojones to stand up on your hind feet and tell us which system you prefer, much less why, but you make it clear in your mindless blatherings about the people who represent the Constitutional model.

        Fine. Line up with the other sheeple who also have no idea of why they support a collectivist redistributionist system which has been a failure every time it has been tried and which has dragged this country into an economic death spiral. Do it not because you actually UNDERSTAND this system and after careful analysis have decided it is better than the Constitutional system but because you are the kind of people who ask for nothing more than mindless superficial identity politics where you can pick a side based on gossip, innuendo and lies.

      • watsonredux August 11, 2012 / 10:19 pm

        Hey Amasneera, whether or not Clown and Spook have businesses, the fact is that they both rely on the taxpayer for their health care. That much we know from their own words. Clown collects a Social Security check from that Ponzi scheme you all hate. Spook collects a government pension.

        As for the definition of “entitlement,” you need to look it up. An entitlement is an individual’s right to receive a value or benefit provided by law. Virtually every definition of a government entitlement program includes Social Security, except for yours. Which is no surprise coming from you. You simply define it to be what you want it to be.

      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 10:24 pm

        Naturally casper would gravitate toward an article describing Ryan as a “drag”.

        But buried deep in the article are some actual facts. (emphasis mine)

        “The latest version of the Ryan plan gives some future beneficiaries the choice of using the voucher or keeping a more traditional Medicare program. Ryan’s plan would restructure Medicare for those younger than 55.

        His Social Security plan would allow those younger than 55 to invest a part of their Social Security taxes in “personal retirement accounts” managed by the government, not private firms.

        So the elderly wouldn’t be affected.

        President Obama has called Ryan’s plan “privatization” of Social Security, which it isn’t.But it does put Social Security on that path, and the line of attack helped sandbag President George W. Bush in 2005, when Ryan pushed him to adopt conservative reforms to Social Security, which provides about $49 billion in Florida and serves 3.7 million residents."

      • casper August 11, 2012 / 10:36 pm

        “Amazona August 11, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

        Wow. I see the lemmings are energized.

        Tell you what, casper and wattle—if you don’t like the Romney/Ryan ticket, don’t vote for it. It’s as simple as that.”

        And I won’t. But understand, I’m voting for people, not a political system and I am doing within our current political system. You can try to frame this however you want, but ultimately this is a choice between two people and who would do the best job in leading our country.

      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 10:44 pm

        Awwww. wattle is peeved! Poor baby, has to look forward to an election cycle where Bumblin’ Joe has to debate Paul Ryan, where Barry will have to defend the indefensible, and where, most important of all, the debate will be dragged out of the gutter where he and casper are most comfortable into the unfamiliar arena of actual ideology.

        That is, of being asked to vote based on which political system they think is the best way to govern the nation.

        And it has them freaking out, as illustrated by the wattle lying again and claiming that Spook and Neo rely on the government for their health care.

        Just a few posts earlier he accused them, and the rest of the conservative posters, of relying on “… on government entitlements to live on and now he is claiming that two of us really just “…rely on the taxpayer for their health care” . Of course he has absolutely no idea how neo’s SS benefits are used, or what Spook does with his military retirement money—if either of them has private health insurance, for example. He just lies.

        He fumbles around in that cesspool of a mind and comes out with, you guessed it, crap. Crap he invents because he has such a pathological need to pretend his irrational loathings are justified.

        The question that comes to mind is, why do these lemmings get so outraged, so hysterical, so belligerent, about the political choices made by a party they will never vote for anyway? What is it about this mentality that flies into such rage and feels compelled to mount such vicious attacks over the nominees of the opposition party?

        The only legitimate reason to oppose the Romney/Ryan ticket is a sincere belief that the Constitutional model of governance is not the best way to run the country. I haven’t seen that argument put forward by casper or the wattle—have you? No, all I am seeing is seething vitriolic visceral hatred of Paul Ryan, and shrill attacks on misrepresentations of what he stands for.

        Get a grip, people. Go to the Obama website, soothe yourselves with the account of how Michelle’s stunning beauty put Kate to shame, count the successes of the Obama regime till your blood pressure goes down, and chill out.

      • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 11:09 pm

        casper says: “..I’m voting for people, not a political system and I am doing within our current political system. You can try to frame this however you want, but ultimately this is a choice between two people and who would do the best job in leading our country.”

        No, casper you are not just voting for a person, you ARE voting for a system whether you are smart enough to realize it or not. If you were just voting for a person based on who would “do the best job of leading the country” we wouldn’t have two political parties.

        Are you truly so dense that you do not understand that each of the two competing parties represents a competing political system?


        Are you truly so bone-deep STUPID that you can’t grasp the obvious—that the underlying political philosophy of the Left is different from that of the Right?


        I’ve seen some truly stupid comments from you but this has to be the dumbest.

        When you say ” I am doing (sic) within our current political system.” you seem to be saying that as far as you are concerned, a “political system” is nothing more than the general national structure of parties, elections, etc.

        I am still having trouble processing the obvious—that an adult human male with a college education and a few years on him, a TEACHER no less, who has enough interest in politics to seek out and post on a political blog, is utterly and completely ignorant of the most basic element of politics—that when you vote for a person you are voting for the political system that person represents.

        Are you actually convinced that the term “political SYSTEM” means the general structure of how parties are formed, elections are held, etc.? Is it the use of the word “system” that has you so totally bumfuddled?

        OK—-let’s not use that confusing word.

        When you vote for a person you are voting for the political MODEL that person represents. You are saying that you support the political IDEOLOGY of that person. You are casting your ballot for the plan of governance of that person’s party.

        Is this really too hard for you to grasp?

        Right now in this time, in this place, Americans are getting ready to choose between one political system/model/blueprint for governance that is represented by the Constitution of the United States—that is, a central government that is strictly restrained as to size, scope and power, with most of the authority kept at state and local levels—- and another that is diminished state and local control and most of the power vested in a large and powerful and unrestrained central government.

        THIS IS YOUR CHOICE. It is not between two people, it is between two SYSTEMS, each of which is represented by a person. If you truly cannot see past the person to the system then you are beyond reason.

        Is this what you teach your students? That when they vote they are just voting for people and not for political systems? This is a serious question—-I really want to know.

      • doug August 12, 2012 / 1:44 am

        I will agree with Casper on this, I don’t think Ryan is going to help at all in Florida and Romney won’t win there. However, I think Ryan will turn red a couple midwest states which might make Florida not so important. VA, PA, and OH will be the difference makers, whoever gets two of those will win.

      • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 10:50 am

        the wattle asserts: “…Ryan, by your definition, has never worked an honest day in his life, having been a politician virtually all of his adult life….”

        By WHOSE “definition”?

        Are you claiming that “community organizer” IS a political job?

        Or are you claiming that all politicians are in the Rangel/Frank etc. mold and what they do is not honest?

        A good politician, one who is dedicated to serving his country, works as hard as anyone in the nation. This work experience is not the same as the business expertise shown in starting building and developing a successful business, and does not offer the same decision-making experience that being a CEO does, but a good public servant, like Ryan, who applies himself diligently to the understanding of how our government works and doesn’t work and applies his considerable intelligence and drive to working out solutions to complex problems, has a vast amount of invaluable knowledge and expertise to bring to the table.

        That is why Ryan’s considerable background in successfully doing those very things, combined with Romney’s vast pool of knowledge and skill regarding business, makes this such a powerful (and evidently quite threatening) team.

    • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 9:48 pm

      “You should read the book The Amateur by Edward Klein, I think it would open your eyes.”

      There is none so blind as he who will not see.

      • Cluster August 11, 2012 / 9:50 pm

        I was shocked on how Obama just turned his back on so many people in Chicago who really helped him rise in the ranks. And that’s a good reason why his donations are down.

    • Amazona August 11, 2012 / 9:53 pm

      “Rubio would have been a better choice.”

      Well, he has far less experience, and there is the little matter of the unsettled legal definition of “natural born citizen” which would have been an issue. We spent a lot of time on that a few weeks ago and had the first and only legitimate debate with a Liberal on the subject.

      “Ryan loses Florida for Romney (Seniors don’t like their Medicare taken away)”

      Odd to claim that Ryan will “lose Florida for Romney”. Odder still to say it is because “Seniors don’t like their Medicare taken away”.

      Has school started yet in Casper? Maybe one of your middle schoolers can explain Ryan’s ideas on Medicare reform. You sure don’t have a clue.

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 12:39 pm

        was talking to friends last night a couple of the gals sheepishly admitted voting for the kenyan, NOT this time though all three like Romney.

  10. Cluster August 11, 2012 / 10:49 pm

    Watson is going off the rails, so obviously Ryan was the right choice. Tell me Watson, do you have a Medicare deduction on your paycheck? It’s called a payroll deduction and that alone makes it not a pure entitlement, so please at least get your definitions right. And Medicare is a mandatory liberal program so it’s a little disingenuous for you to chide others for using it, wouldn’t you think?

  11. Eagle Eye August 11, 2012 / 11:39 pm

    I wondered how long it would be before the anti Catholic bigotry would begin

  12. MickeyMack August 11, 2012 / 11:58 pm

    Bull it is because he is Irish

  13. MickeyMack August 11, 2012 / 11:58 pm

    Racist pigs

    • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 10:51 am

      mickey mouse

      you donks sure are KKK any one?
      nation of islam?
      new black panther party?

      • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 10:56 am

        neo, what the hell are you nattering on about?

        Someone points out that attacks on Ryan are racist because he is Irish and you go on about ?????????

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:06 am

        MickeyMack August 11, 2012 at 11:58 pm #

        Racist pigs

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:08 am

        I thought micky mouse was calling US racist pigs…nattering?
        a new one for me LOL
        ranting would be a better fit.

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:09 am

        my apologies to MM

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:10 am

        Full Attack Mode: Obama Team Launches Anti-Ryan Ad & Website Calling VP Pick ‘Severely Conservative’

        “Out of touch with most Americans’ values.

        didnt take the commies long

      • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 11:13 am

        Really? Did you read the sequence?

        I wondered how long it would be before the anti Catholic bigotry would begin

        Bull it is because he is Irish

        Racist pigs

      • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 11:15 am

        OUT OF TOUCH !!!!!!!

        This is already a tired cliche but they do seem to love it, don’t they?

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:16 am

        Media Mogul Russell Simmons: Romney-Ryan Ticket Will ‘Destroy Our People’

        “You are two men who will destroy ***our people**** and laugh all the way to the bank with your rich friends.”

        holder is dat you?

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:17 am

        yeah I missed the one above it……it is early for me on a Sunday AM 🙂
        big party last night.

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:20 am

        This is already a tired cliche but they do seem to love it, don’t they?

        yeah this from a foreigner who didnt step on the US mainland until he was 18 years old…..then ended in wrights cult and next door to mobsters and down the street from terrorists….

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:25 am


        First Obama Response to Paul Ryan Pick: ‘Radical’ & ‘Extreme’

  14. Amazona August 12, 2012 / 11:20 am


    $540 too much to spend on a pair of sneakers?

    That’s the question many are asking after first lady Michelle Obama was seen wearing a pair of shoes made by haute French designer Lanvin during a trip to a food bank.

    From New York Daily News:

    “Michelle has stepped out in Lanvin before while getting down to business. A week ago, she shoveled dirt at a tree planting while wearing the line’s chiffon tank.

    “Dresses and strappy pumps cost upward of $1,500, while tops go for $400 to $1,000.”

    Michelle shares her taste for the costly kicks with the likes of Kanye West and Ellen DeGeneres.

  15. Amazona August 12, 2012 / 11:24 am

    OUT OF TOUCH !!??

    The liberal media was all upset that “elitist” Ann Romney wore a $990 top during a May interview on “This Morning.” Yet this same media cheered the fashion and style of Queen Michelle Obama whose taste in sweaters cost her over $2,000 a pop.
    But, yesterday Michelle Obama outdid herself.

    The jacket cost more than the average American family makes in a month ($4,284).
    And, she does this as Americans continue to suffer through a deep recession and record unemployment.
    Michelle feels your pain.

  16. Amazona August 12, 2012 / 11:28 am

    OUT OF TOUCH !!??

    First lady Michelle Obama’s trip to Spain in August 2010 cost the U.S. Air Force and the Secret Service at least $467,585, Judicial Watch reported Thursday based on documents provided by the government under the Freedom of Information Act.

    That price tag will likely add more fuel to an attack by Mitt Romney, who has already gone after President Barack Obama and his family for “elaborate vacations.” Alluding to travel to the president’s home state of Hawaii as well as the Spain trip, Romney said last week that the Obamas’ vacations were in part to blame for the scandal over excessive spending by the General Services Administration.

    The White House has said that the Obamas paid their own way for the Spain trip, during which the first lady, along with daughter Sasha, traveled around the country and visited with the royal family. Officials told The New York Times in August 2010 that two friends and four of their daughters, along with two aides and two advance staff members, went on the trip. The friends paid for their own rooms, food and transportation, the officials said.

    The Air Force denied a request by Judicial Watch to provide the exact number of civilians who took the trip.

    Even though the Obamas picked up some of the immediate costs, the government, which determines how much protection the first lady needs, spent a considerable sum on the trip, according to the conservative watchdog’s report. The total cost of the flights was about $199,300, and the Secret Service spent about $254,500 on the vacation.

    • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:30 am

      Today, while Barack entertains at the White House, flies aboard Air Force One and is a friend of film stars and royalty, HIS BROTHER George, 30, is to be found slumped in his corrugated iron shack which even fellow slum-dwellers regard as a hovel.[…]

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:33 am

        Ubama’s bro…

  17. Amazona August 12, 2012 / 11:31 am

    OUT OF TOUCH ???

    January 28, 2009, 11:47 am
    Obamas Bring Their Chicago Chef to the White Hous

    Sam Kass, a private chef for the Obamas while they were living in Chicago, is now working in the White House.

    • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 11:35 am


  18. Amazona August 12, 2012 / 11:38 am


    Obama’s Dog Trainer Earns $102,000/Year
    by Tom McGregor Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 09:04 PM

    Some say life is for the dogs. So in that regards, President Barack Obama has used taxpayers’ money to pay the salary of a dog trainer , who doesn’t even work full-time, but is just on retainer in case of so-called ‘dog-training’ emergencies. The part-time dog trainer generates $102,000 of yearly income.

    Interesting facts about Obama were compiled by Rich Carroll, who had written an article entitled, “Barack Obama’s 32 Month Report Card.” He obtained information by citing from U.S. Energy Information, Wall Street Journal, Bureau of Labor Statistics, Standard & Poor’s Case Schiller, Federal Reserve, US Treasury, and Heritage Foundation.

  19. Amazona August 12, 2012 / 11:41 am


    President Barack Obama has not met with his jobs council for six months because he has too much on his plate, White House press secretary Jay Carney said on Wednesday.

    “There’s no specific reason, except the president has obviously got a lot on his plate,” Carney said during the daily White House briefing…………….

    The 26-member President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness has not officially met since January, according to a Politico report.

    • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 12:37 pm

      he has too much on his plate


      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 12:44 pm


        Mitt Romney Delivers Barn-Burner of a Speech. Democrats React. (Satire)

        CNN reported that Mitt Romney gave a ‘barn burner’ of a speech in Wisconsin today. Democrats were quick to react. At the White House Press Briefing later today, Jay Carney asked, “Do we want an accused arsonist as the next President? The White House absolutely condemns Mitt Romney for burning a barn.” PETA issued a statement: “It is cruel enough that animals are enslaved and confined to barns, but now we have a candidate who would burn them to death. Barns are sacred temples for the finest living creatures on Earth. Mitt Romney wants to immolate them, sadistically.” Bob Beckel,…

      • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 1:04 pm

        OUT of TOUCH??

        Shootings wound 15 across the city
        Chicago Tribune ^ | August 12, 2012 | By Peter Nickeas

        At least 15 people were shot in attacks across the city Saturday afternoon into Sunday morning, according to police.

  20. Cluster August 12, 2012 / 1:02 pm

    More liberal dishonesty – sorry for the redundancy

    “I have no idea of the political affiliation of folks who are associated” with Priorities USA, the Super PAC that ran the ad essentially blaming Mitt Romney for a woman’s cancer death. – Debbie Wasserman Schultz

    She has no idea? Does she know Bill Burton? He is a former press secretary of Obama’s, you would think she would be familiar with him.

    We currently have complete morons running the country, we can do a lot better folks.

    • neocon1 August 12, 2012 / 1:34 pm

      Cheney Says ‘Amateur’ Book Exposes Obama White House

      Read more on Cheney Says ‘Amateur’ Book Exposes Obama White House

      • Cluster August 12, 2012 / 1:42 pm


        I recently read the book and it’s a must read. Ed Klein is definitely no conservative, so it’s an unbiased look at the realities of the obama white house. You would really like it.

  21. watsonredux August 12, 2012 / 1:47 pm

    Little Amy, I’m not peeved, just amused at the hypocrisy emanating from you yet again. Today’s headline: “Romney downplays the Beltway in Ryan’s biography.” To hear Mitt tell it, Paul never did want to enter public office! Except it’s the only thing he’s ever done. Oh, he did drive the WienerMobile for a summer. He began serving as a Congressional staffer when he was in college. He never held a real job of any note. I mean, according to you all, working as an elected representative doesn’t count as any sort of useful experience. He’s never run a business! Never met a payroll! What could Paul Ryan know about the real world, for God’s sakes? This will be a delightful campaign season.

    And Cluster, my Medicare payroll deduction goes to pay for Clown’s health care. It’s an entitlement, no matter how you try to rationalize it. I know you wish it wasn’t, because in your warped mind only moochers take entitlements. Ergo, Clown is a moocher. Except he’s your friend, so there must be some other explanation. We get it: Everyone but you and your friends are moochers.

    • Cluster August 12, 2012 / 2:07 pm


      I can’t even begin to tell you how big of a moron you are and it saddens me that someone like you actually walks the planet. I support Medicare and always have, and so do many conservatives, including Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney. The fact that conservatives like myself want to reform it, to ensure its survival, is somehow construed as a plan to eliminate it by small minded people like yourself. Fortunately, the majority of the voting public are not as stupid as people like you and Dave Bowman.

      An entitlement is a hand out, like food stamps. Medicare is a deduction, for future use program. Your deductions are designed to go towards your care, not spooks. Is there any chance you can wrap your small mind around that fact?

    • Cluster August 12, 2012 / 2:12 pm

      And honestly Watson, no one has ever mooched off the public as much as Michelle Obama has, so let’s keep things in perspective shall we?

    • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 3:26 pm

      Cluster, have you noticed how frantically the wattle is trying to conflate people who were forced to loan money to the federal government, against their will, and who are now being at least partially repaid, with people who have never contributed a dime to the government in taxes or payments into Social Security or Medicare who are still lined up at the government trough?

      I suspect that the wattle is in the latter category and trying to mitigate his shame by dragging other people into the gutter with him. Poor baby—–in some murky corner of his mind he feels a little embarrassed at being so dependent, so he is trying to recast productive people as no better than he is.

      • Cluster August 12, 2012 / 4:08 pm

        Good call – hadn’t thought of that

    • Amazona August 12, 2012 / 4:25 pm

      And driving a hot dog truck and serving in Congress has made him sooo much smarter than you are, wattle, so much more successful, and now he’s in the spotlight and you are just whining on a little blog about your betters. Now he will be doing even more to serve the nation and you will still be mired in your sour hatred and resentment, nurturing your fantasies of how awful other people are because they’re not you.

      And the other people are all giving thanks………

    • dbschmidt August 13, 2012 / 1:04 am

      Wondering here Watson — I that payroll deduction voluntary because I pay half at my place of employment and the full monty in my personal business–you know the one that I didn’t build.

      • dbschmidt August 13, 2012 / 1:06 am

        (I meant) Is that payroll deduction you pay voluntary??? Can I opt out? Didn’t think so.

  22. Jeremiah August 12, 2012 / 7:24 pm

    “Hatred does more harm to the vessel in which it is stored, than on the one whom it is poured.”

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