Calling all military, former military ,retired military and their families and friends

I never plagiarize another person’s words or ideas without attribution, but there was no source on this email that I received this morning from another retired military friend. This is short and to the point and dead on in it’s importance and relevance to this most vital election in our lifetimes.

From: Subject: Please forward to everyone you can

Date: August 24, 2012 4:43:47 PM EDT

More than 1,000 America soldiers have lost their lives in Afghanistan in the last 27 months. This is more than the combined total of the nine years before. Thirty have died in August. The commander in chief is AWOL. Not a peep, although he ordered the White House flag flown at half mast for the Sikhs that were killed. There is a deep disgust, a fury, growing in the ranks of the military against the indifferent incompetence of this president. It has taken on a dangerous tone. No one knows what to do about him, but the anger runs deep as the deaths continue with no strategic end in sight to the idiocy of this war. Obama has had 4 years to end this futile insanity, during which time he has vacationed, golfed, campaigned, and generally ignored the plight of our men and women in uniform. But, there is now a movement afoot in the armed services to launch a massive get out the vote drive against this president. Not just current active duty types, but the National Guard, Reserves, the retired, and all other prior service members. This is no small special interest group, but many millions of veterans who can have an enormous impact on the outcome of the November election if they all respond. The million military retirees in Florida alone could mean an overwhelming victory in that state if they all show up at the polls. It might not keep another one hundred U.S. troops from dying between now and November, but a turn out to vote by the military against this heart breaking lack of leadership can make a powerful statement that hastens a change to the indifference of this shallow little man who just lets our soldiers die.

In many countries around the world a problem such as ours would be solved by the military simply forcibly removing such a threat to national security, sovereignty and economic liberty.  The principles of honor and duty and the rule of law prevent that from happening in this country.  Still, Obama needs to be disposed of in a way consistent with our Constitution.  November 6th is only 72 days away.

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81 thoughts on “Calling all military, former military ,retired military and their families and friends

  1. Amazona August 26, 2012 / 12:42 pm

    I am not surprised to see a group of Americans coming together in a principled effort not just to put a specific person in office but to defend our nation and what it stands for.

    We don’t see the media coverage of the flag-covered coffins returning to the United States that was such a staple of the Complicit Agenda Media’s campaign to get a Liberal into office. Now that the death toll is rising, they remain mute.

    And by “mute” I mean complicit.

    I am so offended by the flag flying at half mast for the Sikh dead, but not for our own.

    Even now, George W. Bush is honoring our military. When he was in office, he had many many private meetings with families of fallen sailors, soldiers, airmen and Marines, with no publicity, no attention drawn to his personal and genuine outreach to them. Since leaving office, he and Laura have quietly visited military hospitals and met flights of returning military men and women, to thank them for their service. The responsibility for having to send our best and brightest into harm’s way for the defense of the nation weighed very heavily upon him.

    Our current president? Well, his record speaks for itself.

    I suggest that the effort to galvanize our military use the film clip of a sour-faced Michelle Obama muttering to her husband at a ceremony in honor of the victims of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks.” As police and firefighters fold the flag to the sound of marching bagpipers, a skeptical looking Mrs. Obama leans to her husband and appears to say, “all this just for a flag.” She then purses her lips and shakes her head slightly as Mr. Obama nods.”

    ALL THIS JUST FOR A FLAG! AND HER HUSBAND, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, NODS.

    Read more: TRR: Michelle Obama: “All This Just For a Flag” – Washington Times

    • ItsJo August 26, 2012 / 3:46 pm

      Good post. I read that the “deaf institute” interpreted her words to say:
      “All this for a DAMN flag”…..to which Obama leaned towards her and nodded in agreement. How sickening can this pair get? He IS the enemy within, and should be brought up on treasonous charges, except we have such a “wimp Congress, who roll over and fold up, like a cheap suit”. they are disgusting, as Obama takes our “Arrogant(his words) America” down to her knees. He is the Most divisive, anti America, bully, Racist, Arrogant, Corrupt, FRAUD/LIAR to EVER be in our Whitehouse. I’d like to know WHERE the Congress is, on the FACTS that Sheriff Joe Arpaio turned in on Obama’s being a FRAUD. Wake Up Congress, or YOU will join the ranks of the many Unemployed.

      • James August 26, 2012 / 3:50 pm
      • ItsJo August 26, 2012 / 3:52 pm

        BTW: Just saw 2016 film by D’Souza, and it gives you the early years and how Obama wanted to carry on his Father’s GRUDGE against America, in his attempt to honor his father who actually left him. This “Anti Colonialsim” was around Obama ALL his life-with his Commie Grandparents, Mother, Frank Marshall Davis-his Mentor of nearly 10 yrs. so is it ANY WONDER he wants to PUNISH AMERICA? SEE THE FILM-IT’S WELL DONE & SHOWS HOW HE THINKS, BUT ACTS DIFFERENTLY TO CONTINUE TO FOOL VOTERS. IF HE WOULD GET IN A SECOND TIME-AMERICA IS DONE COMPLETELY, AS WHAT HE DOES-“IS DELIBERATE”-IT’S ALMOST LIKE A “SCORCHED EARTH POLICY TO TAKE AMERICA DOWN FINANCIALLY(As his Puppetmaster Soros, has tried for over 40 yrs.to ruin America’s capatalism-it’s working)

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 7:40 pm

        Jo, the institute denied giving an opinion, and one account says that when deaf people watched the video it was determined that she said something like “It’s amazing how they fold that flag”.

        Well, this makes no sense at all. Look in a mirror and say each sentence—“it’s amazing how they fold that flag” and “all this just for a flag” and you see very different lip and mouth movements. At the time the story was that it was not overt cursing about the flag, just contempt for the reverence shown to the flag.

        There is no reason the comment on how amazing it is, how they fold the flag, would be accompanied by a sour expression, on either Obama.

        And this is the same woman who never felt any pride in her country till it looked ready to nominate her husband to run for the presidency.

        No, there is no history of respect for this nation or its flag. Look at how often Obama has been seen making speeches in front of plain curtains, no flag in sight. Look at how he refused to wear a flag pin for so long.

      • Vanessa September 19, 2012 / 4:04 pm

        I so agree!!!!

        This President (and his wife) has no respect for our flag, our military OR our country! Anything they have done is all in what vote it gets them!

    • patriotdad1 August 26, 2012 / 7:56 pm

      Snopes:

      Determining exactly what the First Lady might have said via lip reading is complicated by the fact that her lips disappear behind a partition at one point in the clip. Other experienced lip readers have interpreted the sentence uttered by Michelle Obama during this clip to be anything from “We’re in for a real fight” to “I wonder if they flew that flag” to “It’s amazing how they fold that flag” to “How pretty they fold that flag” (the last of these accompanied by its own video analysis).

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:24 pm

        One analysis I read suggested that she might have said “Quit leaving your underwear on the floor, I’m not your mother”.

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:28 pm

        BTW, I looked at the video, and at 1/4 speed did speak along with Michelle’s lip movements and found them entirely consistent with “All this for a flag” or “All this just for a flag”. This is also consistent with the scornful look on her face, not exactly the expression of someone impressed with how PRETTY something is.

        No, I did not see “Damned” anything. Just “all this for a flag” or “all this just for a flag”. It definitely looked like a series of one-syllable words.

      • Cluster August 26, 2012 / 8:52 pm

        A scornful look on Michelle is pretty much her everyday look. The book The Amateur doesn’t paint a very flattering picture of her

      • tiredoflibbs August 26, 2012 / 9:34 pm

        SNOPES? Really???

        You do know that SNOPES is supported by the Annenberg Foundation. You do know that obAMATEUR worked closely with the Annenberg Foundation, a left-wing organization?

        Hardly an unbiased source.

      • Vanessa September 19, 2012 / 4:12 pm

        Commenting on something in a derrogatory manner, along with the look of disgust and shaking of the head side to side is totally fitting with the comment of “All this for a flag?” And then Obama shakes his head in agreement of disgust!

  2. Cluster August 26, 2012 / 1:30 pm

    I have said this before and I will say it again – Obama is the most un American President this country has ever had. he simply doesn’t understand this country and neither does his wife. Her words that she was finally “for the first time in her life” proud of this country solely because her un American husband was soon to President is despicable.

    The Obama’s are racist, petulant, and unfit to hold any office in this great country. And their devoted sycophants in the media are equally as guilty. Shame on them all, and let’s be sure to see that they are shamed and removed this November.

    Godspeed to all our brave men and women still in the theater. Lord knows the CIC is not leading you as you should be led.

    • neocon1 August 26, 2012 / 1:38 pm

      Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamen!!!

      The Obama’s are racist, petulant, and unfit to hold any office in this great country. And their devoted sycophants in the media are equally as guilty. Shame on them all,

      Psalm 109:8

      • neocon1 August 26, 2012 / 1:41 pm

        TREASON??


        Obama Celebrates Ramadan 2012 At White House Guest Include People With Ties To Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood

      • neocon1 August 26, 2012 / 1:59 pm

        This must be the 50th time you have posted this. Enough already. //Moderator

      • neocon1 August 26, 2012 / 2:14 pm

        Famous Drill Instructor Says GEICO Fired Him for Criticizing Obama Admin.
        “If you’re a conservative in this town, you better watch out.”

        Ooh Rah Semper Fi, Gunny!!

        GEICO WHO???

      • neocon1 August 26, 2012 / 2:19 pm

        This must be the 50th time you have posted this. Enough already. //Moderator

        it is only a link showing the man refusing to salute the flag, why does it matter how many times it has been posted?
        How does it not fit in with the thread? of disrespect to our military?

        Reminder: No whining. //Moderator

      • James August 26, 2012 / 3:49 pm
      • neocon1 August 26, 2012 / 4:34 pm

        I smell camel

  3. Casper August 26, 2012 / 2:28 pm

    I love the irony of this. The members of a blog that were cheerleading the Iraq and Afghanistan wars when Bush was in office, now want to replace the man who ended the Iraqi war because he hasn’t taken us out of Afghanistan fast enough. Have you checked out Romney’s position on Afghanistan?

    “The Objectives
    While Gov. Romney believes that the continued presence of U.S. forces in Afghanistan should ultimately be decided by the military’s top brass, he cautions that the country should not be making similar commitments in the future. He also stressed that the bulk of the security obligation must lie with the Afghanis themselves.

    Gov. Romney indicated in an interview with ABC on July 29, 2012, that while he is supportive of President Barack Obama’s Sept 2014 troops withdrawal deadline, he disagrees with the plan to order 23,000 troops out of Afghanistan by Sept. 30. However, he admits that his position could change depending on the counsel of military commanders, while leaving open the possibility of keeping combat troops in Afghanistan beyond 2014 should conditions change.

    “I want those troops to come home based upon not politics, not based upon economics, but instead based upon the conditions on the ground determined by the generals … But I also think we have learned that our troops should not go off and try to fight a war of independence for another nation. Only the Afghanis can win Afghanistan’s independence from the Taliban.”
    13 June 2011, Republican Presidential Debate in New Hampshire.”

    http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Afghanistan.php

    It’s not much difference than Obama’s, other than Obama has a timetable to get the troops out by 2014.

    • neocon1 August 26, 2012 / 2:31 pm

      catspuke

      I love the irony of this. The members of a blog that were cheerleading the Iraq and Afghanistan wars when Bush was in office,

      REALLY???

    • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:09 pm

      neo, don’t bother pointing out casper’s lies—it would be a full time job.

      He may know they are lies, or he may just be delusional, or both. It doesn’t matter. His “opinions” are useless, just noise.

    • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:05 pm

      You know, the RRL and their brain-dead minions will simply never stop blaming Bush for everything.

      Unless casper’s crystal ball can prove to us that Bush would have handled the events in Afghanistan the way Barry has—or hasn’t—-then the squealing about how Bush got us into Afghanistan are just that. Squealing.

      it was the Dems who squealed that Afghanistan was where we SHOULD have gone, instead of Iraq. It was the Dems who squalled that there was never any reason to go anywhere BUT Afghanistan. It is the Dems who have screwed it up so badly once Barry got his C in C cap, and it is the Dems who are impotent and helpless in the face of a big grownup problem that is waaayyyyyyy over their heads.

      So what can casper do in a case like this?

      Invoke BUSH, of course.

      • casper August 26, 2012 / 8:38 pm

        “it was the Dems who squealed that Afghanistan was where we SHOULD have gone, instead of Iraq.”

        Actually, there were a lot of Democrats (not all of them) who wanted to finish the war in Afghanistan rather than start a new one in Iraq. We went into Afghanistan first.

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:45 pm

        Ahhh, rewriting history again, I see. A little weaseling here, a little weaseling there, and pretty soon casper has a whole new narrative.

    • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:07 pm

      And what the hell IS “quite far to the right”, anyway? No one has ever been able to define this favorite phrase of the RRL.

      As for Powell, when he supported Obama I lost all respect for him. I wonder if he is still backing Barry—-and why.

  4. Cluster August 26, 2012 / 2:50 pm

    It should be noted that Obama actually ended the Iraq war on Bush’s original timeline, and that Obama alone made the decision to send more troops into the Afghanistan theater. Once he did, he pretty much ignored them in favor of his domestic agenda which has also failed miserably.

    I think the superficiality of the liberal agenda will finally hurt them this time around because more voters are more aware of what is actually going on. Casper is good example of that superficiality as he cites baseless talking points and half truths in nearly every post. No longer will voters be suckered into the empty Hope and Change rhetoric, or the baseless war on woman mantra, or the efforts to try and paint their opponents as extreme. Liberals depend on stupid like Casper to gain power, but unfortunately for them, and thankfully for conservatives, many voters have woken up and have done their homework.

    • Casper August 26, 2012 / 5:11 pm

      “It should be noted that Obama actually ended the Iraq war on Bush’s original timeline,”

      Isn’t that something you should be happy about? I would think that would be a good reason to keep Obama on.

      “Obama alone made the decision to send more troops into the Afghanistan theater.”

      He did and I think he was wrong to do so. We should have had all of our troops out by now. However, since Romney’s position on Afghanistan isn’t much different than Obama’s. I see no reason to vote for him. And since Romey’s advisors in foreign policy are the same ones that got us into the last two wars, I would be especially reluctant to vote for him.

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:17 pm

        “…since Romney’s position on Afghanistan isn’t much different than Obama’s. I see no reason to vote for him….”

        Oh, BULLPOO, casper, What a crock! There would be absolutely NOTHING that would give you a reason to vote for Romney and you know it! Why do you play this silly, transparent game? Who do you think you’re fooling? You will obediently vote Dem for ever and ever, like the good little puppet you are, and you will continue going to creatures like Ranty Rhodes and Ed Schultz and Chris Matthews for your lies and talking points, and you will continue to regurgitate them here where it is safe to do so, and you will continue to be deeply and profoundly wrong on nearly everything and you will continue to be such a spineless slug that you don’t even care how wrong you are because you get off on making your stupid stupid statements.

    • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:22 pm

      Obama tried to run a war, thinking it would be easy, and when it blew up in his face, just like every other plan of his has, he just froze.

      He became paralyzed, immobile, impotent and afraid to take a step in any direction, knowing from his recent experience that he will be wrong.

      So he is like a deer in the headlights, frozen and frightened, letting good men and women die while he just looks the other way and pretends it will all go away.

      All he has to do is wait a year, pull out on his timetable, have the Complicit Agenda Media cover for him, and pretend that this was leadership…..or melt down during the election cycle and let a real man, a grownup, step in and take over.

      • casper August 26, 2012 / 8:40 pm

        “Obama tried to run a war, thinking it would be easy, and when it blew up in his face, just like every other plan of his has, he just froze.”

        Except ending the war in Iraq.

      • tiredoflibbs August 26, 2012 / 9:09 pm

        Cappy, the mindless drone: “Except ending the war in Iraq.”

        Again cappy, your selective memory makes you the fool again. ObAMATEUR did not have to do anything to “end the war in Iraq”. As it has been pointed out several times, obAMATEUR followed Bush’s plan and timetable. He just happened to occupy the chair in the Oval Office when the war ended. ObAMATEUR did not do anything on his own initiative. His lack of actions in Afghanistan proves that he could not “end the war in Iraq” on his own.

        Do we want a leader who can think on his own, like Romney? Or a pretend leader who can’t do anything outside of a committee, who has no initiative whatsoever (on anything outside of his agenda) as demonstrated in both Iraq and Afghanistan?

        Romney’s plan is no different than obAMATEUR’s? So in your eyes, keeping present incompetence is better than someone who is a proven leader?

        Pathetic.

      • casper August 26, 2012 / 9:39 pm

        Tired,
        Bush couldn’t get us out of Iraq in five years. Obama ended the Iraqi war in two. He gets the credit. Obama also escalated the war in Afghanistan. He gets the credit for that and I disagree with him for that position.

        Romney is hardly a proven leader. He is a one term governor with no foreign policy experience to speak of who has hired the same people who got us into Iraq to advise him.

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 9:57 pm

        “Except ending the war in Iraq.”

        Yeah, that’s turned out so well, hasn’t it?

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 11:59 pm

        Not that anyone questions the breadth and depth of casper’s hypocrisy, but…

        “Romney is hardly a proven leader. He is a one term governor with no foreign policy experience to speak of who has hired the same people who got us into Iraq to advise him.”

        Yet he voted for a man who was hardly a proven leader, who was at the time a rookie Senator who started running for the presidency as soon as he got elected and spent very little time BEING a Senator, with absolutely no foreign policy experience at all, who hired the same people who used lies, dirty tricks and chicanery to get him elected every time he was elected.

        He voted for this man instead of a man who was a proven leader, with decades of experience in the Senate, who had served on many committees,who had a good grasp of foreign affairs, who had never had to cheat to win an election.

        And he evidently just dismisses the successes of Romney as governor, starting with being elected in a ridiculously Democrat state.

        What a moron.

      • tiredoflibbs August 27, 2012 / 6:22 am

        And cappy continues the mindless regurgitation of dumbed down talking points: “Bush couldn’t get us out of Iraq in five years. Obama ended the Iraqi war in two.”

        Wow cappy, what part of “obAMATEUR followed Bush’s plan for ending the war in Iraq” did you not understand? Is your reading comprehension as bad as the rest of the mindless proggy drones on this blog?

        ObAMATEUR did not do anything different in Iraq to accelerate the timeline already established by Bush. As I accurately said, obAMATEUR just happened to occupy the chair in the Oval Office when the war ended. HE DID NOTHING – other than follow the established timeline. obAMATEUR is a proven follower and not a leader.

        AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER that timeline was not only established by the Bush administration but reinforced and maintained with the implementation of the SURGE. THE SURGE THAT OBAMATEUR WAS AGAINST!!! So, if we had not implemented the surge the way obAMATEUR wanted to we would still be there!

        “Romney is hardly a proven leader. He is a one term governor with no foreign policy experience to speak of who has hired the same people who got us into Iraq to advise him.”

        Uh, obAMATEUR was never governor – ZERO executive experience, NOT EVEN A ONE TERM SENATOR, ZERO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE (the whole stated reason for getting Biden on the ticket), 0.1% private sector experience (the time he described as “working behind enemy lines”) and has gotten us deeper into Afghanistan with no plan for fighting the war and getting out. And we see the results of his massive inexperience and non-leadership each and every day throughout the country with high unemployment, more people of food stamps and welfare, massive debt and deficits…. oh yeah, we want four more years of this crap!!

        Cut with the mindless regurgitation of dumbed down talking points, there cappy. It is your undoing each and every time. And makes it necessary for you to revise history in the future for when you try to pull a fast one and change your stance on an issue – as Amazona has so accurately and consistently pointed out.

      • tiredoflibbs August 27, 2012 / 10:13 am

        Amazon based on cappy’s posts, he is of the understanding that if you repeat a lie long enough it will become the “truth”. Of course, this is not limited to cappy alone, denny, velma, monty, (aka davey, bodie, jeffy) and watty can be included in that number as well.

  5. Cluster August 26, 2012 / 2:56 pm

    Why do liberals have such little confidence in this country? Such little confidence in people that happen have to have darker skin color? Such little confidence in women? Liberals obviously believe that these groups of people are incapable of getting by, let alone succeeding in our society and that is racist, misogynistic, and deplorable.

    Liberals are also extreme in their position on abortion. They not only support federal funding, but they also support partial birth abortion and live birth abortion. In fact, liberals support the killing of the unborn under any, and all circumstances and that again is extreme, out of the mainstream, and deplorable.

    • Casper August 26, 2012 / 5:20 pm

      Cluster
      August 26, 2012 at 2:56 pm #
      “Why do liberals have such little confidence in this country? ”

      I have a great deal of confidence in this country. I just don’t have any confidence in the Republican party and it’s platform.

      • neocon1 August 26, 2012 / 7:30 pm

        catspuke

        I just don’t have any confidence in the Republican party and it’s platform.

        yeah who would not want a party platform of thugs, mobsters, muslim cuttrroats, homosexuals, communists, black panthers, nation of islam, anarchists, atheists, and the KKK?
        glad to see where your confidence falls “teach” says a LOT about you.

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:13 pm

        And I have no confidence in a teacher who believes that the Constitution supports a return to slavery and depriving women of he right to vote, or for that matter one who writes “it’s (sic) platform”.

        BTW, we can be sure casper is as profoundly ignorant of the Republican Party’s platform as he is of conservative ideology—OR the ideology he supports and defends when he attacks all who support a return to Constitutional governance.

      • casper August 26, 2012 / 8:33 pm

        Amazona August 26, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

        “And I have no confidence in a teacher who believes that the Constitution supports a return to slavery and depriving women of he right to vote, or for that matter one who writes “it’s (sic) platform”.”

        Since I don’t believe the Constitution supports a return to slavery or depriving women the right to vote that doesn’t matter does it?

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:41 pm

        Well, casper, that’s not the argument you so stridently and repeatedly made last year, when you informed me in no uncertain terms that anyone who believes in the Constitution as it is written (as opposed to how it is sometimes interpreted) has to then believe that we should return to slavery and that women should not vote.

        We went around and around about it, with you finally taking the utterly ridiculous position that when someone says “the Constitution as it is written” they really mean the original document before it was amended. (This was your first weasel step, akin to your recent claim that you really meant MANNED space exploration)

        I had to explain to you that the “Constitution as written” means the Constitution in its entirety, as any amendment automatically becomes part of the Constitution, in a seamless integration into the document. Oh, said you, no it does not—it means only believing in a Constitution in which slavery is legal and women can’t vote, so if you believe in, blahblahblahblah.

        I see you are playing the weasel game again, casper, now trying to walk back the whole argument you insisted on making over and over again.

        You really do have no shame……..

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 8:43 pm

        Oh, I see how you are trying to weasel out of this one. It is by closely parsing my wording—-I casually said “…the Constitution supports a return to slavery …..” instead of quoting you accurately, which would have been that BELIEVING IN THE CONSTITUTION AS IT IS WRITTEN means supporting a return to slavery, …..”

        Quite the slippery little eel, aren’t you, cappy?

      • casper August 26, 2012 / 8:49 pm

        Amazona,
        You are the one with no shame. The Constitution as originally written allowed slavery and didn’t allow women to vote. That’s a fact.

        http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

        You have stated on many occasions that you want to go back to the rule of the Constitution as the founding fathers intended. Obviously you don’t.

      • tiredoflibbs August 26, 2012 / 9:26 pm

        “The Constitution as originally written allowed slavery and didn’t allow women to vote. That’s a fact.”

        Really cappy? Listening to those dumbed down talking points again?

        Please show us in the original document where slavery is allowed and forbids the right to vote to women or just grants the right to white men only?

        You can’t.

        Some STATES allowed slavery (through the 10th Amendment) and all STATES forbad women from voting (also through the 10th Amendment), not the Constitution. The Constitution was amended to outlaw slavery throughout the country and not correct an article that allowed owning slaves as a right. The same with Women’s Suffrage. Slavery was an institution brought here by the ENGLISH. It is a fact that the Founding Fathers abhorred slavery but could not find a amicable way to end slavery without destroying the fragile country that they had established.

        I know you would bring up the 3/5 clause in the Constitution and try to state that this allows slavery in some twisted way. But that was put in the Enumeration Clause to limit the influence and power of the slave STATES – the STATES that legally allowed slavery and not the Constitution.

        Amazona is correct in your previous statements regarding the Constitution and as usual you are attempting to rewrite history so you would not look the fool you truly are.

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 10:12 pm

        And once again we are faced with the Casper Conundrum—is he dumber than he is dishonest, or more of a liar than he is stupid?

        And as usual the only correct answer is, the two are not mutually exclusive.

        What I SAID, you moron, is that I believe in the Constitution AS IT IS WRITTEN. That is, I believe in what it SAYS, not in some airy-fairy addition, like the imaginary “right to privacy” or the “emanation of the penumbra” of an invented “right”
        .
        YOU are the one who came up with some cockamamie concept that “as written” means only the original document, without any of the amendments, and I corrected you on this insanity and stupidity every single time you tried it. Uh, this is why I explained how amendments become part and parcel of the Constitution, and therefore when the Constitution AS WRITTEN is referred to it also includes the amendments.

        You said you understood this but then you snapped back to your original idiocy and went off on this same ignorant rant.

        Now you are doubling down on your stupidity by lying about what I said.

        You usually just irritate me but at times like this you disgust me.

      • casper August 26, 2012 / 10:18 pm

        tiredoflibbs August 26, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

        “Please show us in the original document where slavery is allowed and forbids the right to vote to women or just grants the right to white men only?”

        Show me the part where slavery isn’t allowed and women are given the vote.

        “It is a fact that the Founding Fathers abhorred slavery but could not find a amicable way to end slavery without destroying the fragile country that they had established.”

        No it isn’t. Several of our founding fathers owned slaves. In fact over half the presidents before Lincoln owned slaves. Washington did free his slaves on his death and Jefferson freed a few here and there. Madison, the father of the Constitution owned slaves and kept them. Is it logical to assume that someone who hates slavery would keep slaves?

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 11:24 pm

        “Washington did free his slaves on his death and Jefferson freed a few here and there. Madison, the father of the Constitution owned slaves and kept them. Is it logical to assume that someone who hates slavery would keep slaves?”

        Well, to someone as simple-minded as you, this might seem to make sense.

        Just curious—how did you manage to get to your middle age, as a teacher, presumably with a college education, hopefully with additional education, and become a teacher of history, without any knowledge at all of American history and in particular the Founding Fathers? You manage a couple of Lefty talking points and that seems to be the extent of your “knowledge”.

        Yet you are ignorant of the fact that for much of Jefferson’s life it was illegal to free slaves. And of the fact that he was concerned about their welfare if they were to be suddenly unmoored from the only life they had known, in a society which might be hostile to them.

        Most people know this. You, the teacher of history who brags about his skill as a history teacher, are clueless.

        Here are just a few quotes of the three Founders you mention, and a couple of others. BTW, it is well known among people who have actually STUDIED the formation of the Union, the writing of the Constitution,and the efforts necessary to get it ratified and therefore establish this new nation as one with a functioning Constitution, that a temporary acceptance of slavery was a necessary evil, an accommodation needed to get the number of votes necessary for ratification.

        Funny how you are so ignorant of that.

        **************************

        “It were doubtless to be wished, that the power of prohibiting the importation of slaves had not been postponed until the year 1808, or rather that it had been suffered to have immediate operation. But it is not difficult to account, either for this restriction on the general government, or for the manner in which the whole clause is expressed. It ought to be considered as a great point gained in favor of humanity, that a period of twenty years may terminate forever, within these States, a traffic which has so long and so loudly upbraided the barbarism of modern policy; that within that period, it will receive a considerable discouragement from the federal government, and may be totally abolished, by a concurrence of the few States which continue the unnatural traffic, in the prohibitory example which has been given by so great a majority of the Union. Happy would it be for the unfortunate Africans, if an equal prospect lay before them of being redeemed from the oppressions of their European brethren!”
        — James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 42

        Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free.”
        — Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821

        “There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it.”
        — George Washington, letter to Robert Morris, April 12, 1786

        “We have seen the mere distinction of color made in the most enlightened period of time, a ground of the most oppressive dominion ever exercised by man over man.”
        — James Madison, speech at the Constitutional Convention, June 6, 1787

        “Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States … I have, throughout my whole life, held the practice of slavery in … abhorrence.”
        — John Adams, letter to Robert Evans, June 8, 1819

        “It is much to be wished that slavery may be abolished. The honour of the States, as well as justice and humanity, in my opinion, loudly call upon them to emancipate these unhappy people. To contend for our own liberty, and to deny that blessing to others, involves an inconsistency not to be excused.”
        –John Jay, letter to R. Lushington, March 15, 1786

        “[W]e must deny the fact, that slaves are considered merely as property, and in no respect whatever as persons. The true state of the case is, that they partake of both these qualities: being considered by our laws, in some respects, as persons, and in other respects as property. In being compelled to labor, not for himself, but for a master; in being vendible by one master to another master; and in being subject at all times to be restrained in his liberty and chastised in his body, by the capricious will of another, the slave may appear to be degraded from the human rank, and classed with those irrational animals which fall under the legal denomination of property. In being protected, on the other hand, in his life and in his limbs, against the violence of all others, even the master of his labor and his liberty; and in being punishable himself for all violence committed against others, the slave is no less evidently regarded by the law as a member of the society, not as a part of the irrational creation; as a moral person, not as a mere article of property.”
        — James Madison, Federalist, no. 54

        “American citizens are instrumental in carrying on a traffic in enslaved Africans, equally in violation of the laws of humanity and in defiance of those of their own country. The same just and benevolent motives which produced interdiction in force against this criminal conduct will doubtless be felt by Congress in devising further means of suppressing the evil.”
        — James Madison, State of the Union,1810
        .
        “Outlets for the freed blacks are alone wanted for the erasure of the blot from our Republican character. “
        — James Madison, Letter to General La Fayette, February 1, 1830.

        “[I]f slavery, as a national evil, is to be abolished, and it be just that it be done at the national expense, the amount of the expense is not a paramount consideration. “
        — James Madison, Letter to Robert J. Evans

        “In contemplating the pecuniary resources needed for the removal of such a number to so great a distance [freed slaves to Africa], my thoughts and hopes have long been turned to the rich fund presented in the western lands of the nation . . .”
        — James Madison, Letter to R. R. Gurley, December 28, 1831.
        “Our opinions agree as to the evil, moral, political, and economical, of slavery”
        James Madison

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 11:34 pm

        tired, did you notice the weaseling of casper in his non-response to your challenge? It is Classic Casper.

        “Show me the part where slavery isn’t allowed and women are given the vote.”

        To this simple-minded moron, his claim that the Constitution allowed slavery and the refusal to allow women to vote is ‘proved’ by the fact that the Constitution does not take a stance on either.

        Why not claim that believing in the Constitution means you think incest is OK—after all, the Founding Fathers did not prohibit it in the Constitution.

        The list of things not addressed in the Constitution is pretty long, a lot longer than the 4400 or so words it does use.

        This limp and lame “logic” is a fave of the RRL and its PL minions. They love to point out that certain words and phrases, such as “natural born citizen”, are not defined in the document. It’s what lemmings come up with when they don’t know what they are talking about, which explains why casper finds it appealing.

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 11:39 pm

        tired, you made a good point when you said ““It is a fact that the Founding Fathers abhorred slavery but could not find a amicable way to end slavery without destroying the fragile country that they had established.”

        And how did teacher casper respond?

        “No it isn’t.

        Yes, this TEACHER denies the very real debate that went on, regarding how to write a Constitution that would be accepted by slave states and thereby receive enough votes for ratification.

        That is what he said. NO IT ISN’T a fact that the Founding Fathers abhorred slavery but could not find a amicable way to end slavery without destroying the fragile country that they had established. casper says so.

        The more he reveals of his ignorance, his stupidity, and his convictions, the more I believe he actually teaches this crap to his students—-because, as I have said, you teach what you believe.

      • tiredoflibbs August 27, 2012 / 6:33 am

        So, cappy you cannot show me anything I asked for in the Constitution regarding instituting slavery and denial of women’s sufferage.

        Typical and pathetic.

        You have to differentiate between the social, economic and cultural issues of today vs. the culture, economy and social issues of 200 years ago.

        The Constitution does not institute slavery nor does it deny the right to vote to women. If the Constitution is applied equally to all legal citizens then there is no way to establish slavery and deny the right to vote to women. Those two institutions were established and denied by STATE LAW ONLY due to the culture of the time – that culture is no longer in existence, plus the STATE LAWS have been changed.

        Amazona answered the Founding Fathers’ slavery issue. They abhorred it. Abhorred it so, that their slaves were set free upon their death. Facts are on our side, you have crap and baseless opinion.

        You are a simple fool who holds dumbed down mindless talking points as your only truth.

        As I said, PATHETIC.

      • Amazona August 27, 2012 / 9:41 am

        It doesn’t matter all that much, on its own, that casper is so ignorant and so stupid and so seriously misinformed and so dedicated to his misinformation. He is not alone—he is not the only idiot out there.

        What is significant is that he is a TEACHER. He doesn’t just sit around in a tattered bathrobe writing to conservative blogs to deposit his nuggets of historical inaccuracy and bizarre misinterpretations of fact—he gets up, get dressed, and goes to work, where his work includes telling impressionable young children that his fantasies are actually true American history.

        Without parents asking their kids what Mr. W. taught them that day about America, the Constitution, the framers, the history of our nation, and then correcting the garbage they have been fed, these children may carry these lies and these distortions and these untruths with them the rest of their lives. And the decisions they make about the governance of this country may be based on the garbage they were fed by this demagogue.

        Though “demagogue” implies a purposeful manipulation of truth, and the sad fact is, casper probably actually BELIEVES the lies and distortions and inaccuracies he states here. Let’s face it—he is none too bright.

      • J. R. Babcock August 27, 2012 / 10:01 am

        casper probably actually BELIEVES the lies and distortions and inaccuracies he states here. Let’s face it—he is none too bright.

        Amazona, I dont think it has anything to do with what he believes. Otherwise he would be able to explain what he believes and why. I haven’t been here nearly as long as you, but I’ve not seen him even take a limp-wristed stab at that. I’ve also run across plenty of knee-jerk liberals in my lifetime, and Casper fits that mold to a T. I learned long ago that life is too short to waste much time on such as Casper. I do feel sorry for the kids he teaches, though.

      • Amazona August 27, 2012 / 11:30 am

        J.R.,. I have no illusions that I will ever make a difference in the way casper thinks. But I encourage him to express his odd, distorted, illogical and emotion-based beliefs, and his inherent dishonesty when he scrambles around trying to cover for himself, and his out-and-out lies, because he is a teacher and I think it is important to have a record of how an actual teacher defines crucial aspects of American history and American governance.

        As an individual, casper is a flyspeck. As a teacher, he is important, because we need to be reminded of just how much absolute GARBAGE our children are being fed, by people in positions of trust.

        Parents need to know what their children are being taught. Administrators need to know what their teachers are teaching.

        Just look at casper. He is quite adamant about his beliefs, yet he has claimed he does not teach them in his history classes. Oh, really? He teaches what he does not believe, and keeps his own beliefs out of the classroom? I doubt that. It is hard to imagine that anyone who has claimed, so loudly, so often, that believing in the Constitution AS WRITTEN is a belief in slavery and no rights for women, is not going to teach this to his students.

        And this is the foundation for arguing that the Constitution is no longer relevant, that it is outdated and archaic and needs to be revamped and updated for the modern world. Anyone who has absorbed this lie in middle school, and not had it rebutted and corrected, is likely to become someone who has no respect for our Constitution because his understanding of it is warped by lies and bad teaching.

        A nation of people who have been indoctrinated into the Leftist theme that the Constitution is of no real value other than as a historical artifact, that it can be viewed as a “general guideline” (as one of our trolls put it) but not as the law of the land, that to take it literally is to advocate slavery and denying women the vote, is a nation which is going to be rudderless, shifting this way and that as political winds change, but mostly being vulnerable to Leftist cant. And it won’t take long for the United States of America to become only a location on a map, and not the identity of the most free and prosperous nation in the history of man.

        Also, people read this blog who do not participate and I simply cannot let lies and half-truths and distortions and misrepresentations go unchallenged and uncorrected, lest they be taken as fact.

        It’s a dirty job but someone has to do it……..

      • Vanessa September 19, 2012 / 4:20 pm

        I guess you want for more years of a failed, corrupt Administration who has spent more than George Washington to George W. Bush? Oh, that’s right, Obama isn’t concerned about the debt, the interest rate is low. So let’s all go out and run up our credit cards and when interest rates go up, we can’t pay our bill. That is Obama’s way of governing.

        When do Liberals ever have enough? Okay, keep your head in the sand and vote for Obama, but hopefully you are able to breathe under there even though you can’t see!

        I challenge you to run your household like Obama and his cronies are running the country and see if it works for ya! You’ll be bankrupt in a couple of years!

  6. Cluster August 26, 2012 / 3:10 pm

    Another observation, I am tired of liberals and the media excusing Obama’s failure by saying that in inherited a bad economy. The truth is that Reagan inherited a far worse economy and four years following his first election, we were well on the way our way to recovery:

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/04/news/economy/obama-reagan-recovery/index.htm

    • James August 26, 2012 / 3:47 pm
      • ItsJo August 26, 2012 / 4:00 pm

        With all the “blame Bush b.s.” guess you are like the LapDog Media on Obama invading Libya, and killing Quadaffi, who did NOT attack America, as Obama’s Muslim Brethern Did on 9/11. But all’s ok with you and your ‘War Monger Obama”….just blame Bush, right?
        If YOU can’t see that he has More interest in Keeping Putin Happy, as he got caught on the ‘hot mic’, then Nothing is going to open your eyes, mind or heart. Just keep blaming Bush-it works for you, & your ilk, EVEN as Obama takes our Republic down the tubes towards his ideology of Communism/Marxism. Russia & Muslims are aligned, and SO IS OBAMA WITH THEM- NOT AMERICA AS HE GAVE AWAY OUR MISSILE DEFENSES TO PUTIN, & THE OIL RICH ISLANDS THAT SURROUND ALASKA. READ A BIT, WON’T YOU?

      • James August 26, 2012 / 5:57 pm
  7. Cluster August 26, 2012 / 4:01 pm

    A worthless liberal just chimed in saying that the linked article I referred to clearly shows that Obama inherited a worse economy. Yet no where in the article can that assumption be made. What can be concluded is that Reagan’s policies were vastly more effective than Obama’s.

    Reagan inherited double digit unemployment, double digit inflation and double digit interest rates. Obama didn’t inheirit any of those conditions, but his policies are creating it.

    • James August 26, 2012 / 6:00 pm
  8. Cluster August 26, 2012 / 4:03 pm

    ItsJo,

    Just a tip. Liberals are children, and their opinions, half truths and taking points simply don’t matter. There is no need to address any of their of brain dead drivel. Especially James, he is the King of morons.

    • neocon1 August 26, 2012 / 4:51 pm

      Calling all military, former military ,retired military and their families and friends

      yuuuup

      • neocon1 August 26, 2012 / 5:16 pm

        interesting stuff…….

        liberals?
        casper?

    • ItsJo August 26, 2012 / 6:22 pm

      You’re right Cluster. Guess he doesn’t know that Saadam had training camps for Terrorists, and hid out one of the biggest Abu Nidal, who was wanted worldwide on Terrorist charges. Also doesn’t know that Saadam killed over 100,000 of his fellow citizens with biological weapons, AND he had them, removed them to Syria(who has them now) and how many times he ignored the resolutions. You are right, that moron IS just a talking Liberal head….that is remiss of FACTS…..just spewing rhetoric.
      I shall not answer him again, as he’s brain dead.

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 7:47 pm

        Jo, you are new here so you may not know that “James” and “Dave Bowman” are trolls who have been banned, and no matter what they write or when it will be removed. Everyone here knows this (though some get so irritated they answer anyway, in spite of repeated requests not to, as an answer keeps the troll on the blog unless the answer is deleted, too, which plays into the troll games) so keep that in mind.

        No matter how often we are asked DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS, it seems that someone always does.

        Don’t worry, just watch and learn, and soon their troll droppings will be cleaned up.

      • Amazona August 26, 2012 / 7:58 pm

        Jo, in the interest of further bringing-up-to-speed, “sarah bloch” is one of many very strange people, or identities of the same nut case, with the same characteristics.

        The women personas are radical lesbians with odd and often very old-fashioned names, which they claim they have due to a beloved grandmother. They like to pretend they live in the United Kingdom. The men, if in fact there are any, are also gay. They have elaborate fake “credentials” and claim to have various jobs for a fake newspaper they call the Brimstone, and by the way they also claim to live in hell. Some claim to be demons, and one is part of an interstellar hive mentality who prefaces her comments with “We, Ourselves…’

        We refer to them as “forkers” because they post on the Daily Pitchfork, and we think there might just be one or two sad pathetic role players posting out of someone’s mom’s basement. Their role playing is reminiscent of the loser Goths who pretend to be vampires.

        They ardently promote Leftist themes and agendas, but are profoundly ignorant of actual Leftist ideology, and seem to be driven mostly by irrational hatred of an imaginary group they mistakenly label as “conservatives”. However, they are equally ignorant of conservative ideology. They are passionate about abortion, could never find a baby-killer they wouldn’t support and like, and they are blindly racist.

        When called on their lies and their bigotry they just slink away to return with a different libel, refusing to address the facts that have debunked their earlier posts.

        They are annoying, but valuable, in that their spewings offer very real insights into what passes for political thought on the far fringes of the Lunatic Left. A great example is sarah’s comment that all of the things I listed as claims of racism by the Left are really racial code. You know, things like believing in the Constitution and thinking our laws should be enforced. Racial code.

        Avoid emotion when responding to them—they feed on it, and this is what floats their boat, the ability to get people wound up. It’s their substitute for actual content, and seems to validate them in some sick way. So avoid the ALL-CAPS!!!!!!! and so on, and stick to calm and verifiable truths.

      • Cluster August 26, 2012 / 9:48 pm

        Well Dave just admitted that Obama’s literary agent is a demented lunatic. Why would Obama employ a demented lunatic you ask? He started by marrying one.

  9. sarahbloch August 26, 2012 / 5:56 pm

    regarding the raising and lowering to half staff of the US flag under federal law [4 USC § 7 (m)]Governors may order the lowering of the US flag to half staff in honor of a fallen active duty member. This is nor has it ever been a national honor for individual fallen soldiers in war time.
    As for the “all this for a damned flag” thing check Snopes, they say what the First Lady said is UNDETERMINED.

    • ItsJo August 26, 2012 / 6:27 pm

      You KNOW of course, that Snopes is run by a dubious, liberal couple whose replys have ALSO been INCORRECT- Right? Snopes is one of the Many sites that is “Funded by Soros money, that is also spending his billions in trying to influence this election for Obama, and getting other Dems into office(even Muslims) and keeping the ones there. Soros, you may know, has tried for “over 40 yrs. to bring down America Financially-with his Puppet Obama, it’s working thus far, isn’t it? Relying on Snopes,
      is NOT the best source for factual information…there are many others. try them.

      • ItsJo August 26, 2012 / 6:29 pm

        BTW: The “Institute for the Deaf”, were the one of those who DID READ Michelle Lips to determine EXACTLY what she said. There were MANY of them who stated her words. Just thought you’d LIKE to know the source. It sure wasn’t Snopes…

  10. Cluster August 26, 2012 / 8:57 pm

    Having managed and owned a few small business’s in my lifetime, I can say without hesitation that anyone who blames a predecessor is admitting failure. Period.

    Do you liberals understand that?

  11. GMB August 27, 2012 / 6:54 am

    You don’t have to worry about the Veteran vote this time around. We are going to vote barky out big time.

    One more ride. Hey?

    • J. R. Babcock August 27, 2012 / 8:53 am

      A while back there was a headline — can’t remember where I saw it, but it said something like, “Obama courts military vote”. It appears that article has been completely scrubbed from the Internet. Must have been some blow back.

  12. GOPropaganda is Fail August 27, 2012 / 11:59 am

    posting from fake email address – deleted//Moderator

    • neocon1 August 27, 2012 / 5:55 pm

      silly camel

  13. The Psychopath Speaks August 29, 2012 / 10:38 pm

    A common theme among most of the right wing posters here: Curses, insults, repetition of political soundbites, extreme ignorance, inability to form a coherent argument and a love of conspiracies.

    (Ed. Note: Left in place because it shows that the trolls don’t actually read but just post the comments their masters order them to)

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