This morning Romney spoke at Bill Clinton’s Global Initiative, and not only received a standing ovation from a room full of Democrats, but clearly demonstrated his understanding of the need for “effective” government/private sector partnerships in developing and improving third world countries. Romney’s successful experience in the private sector and government are the perfect blend for what is needed to take this great country over, and restore what America was, and can be. We don’t need to “fundamentally transform” this country, as the current occupant is doing, and plans to accelerate in the next four years. What we need to do, is restore what made this country the envy of the world, ie; our compassion, our innovation and our freedom to not only strive to reach our own individual potential, but to extend American Exceptionalism to everyone, and in order to do that, one needs to fully understand and believe in American Exceptionalism. Romney does. Obama never has.
The entire video is 20 minutes long and well worth the time, or the transcript is in the link as well. I have grown tired of bashing Obama, because quite honestly, the material is endless and too easy. What I will strive to do from this point forward, is to make the case for Romney, and that too, shouldn’t be too difficult. He is a man of incredible integrity, knowledge, compassion, and wisdom, and he truly believes that our best days are ahead of us. As the 20th century was America’s century, so to will be the 21st century, and it will start with a Romney Presidency.
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Cluster,
Thanks for the nice thread. This is one of the few threads on this blog that has been about something positive Romney has done instead of an attack on our president. I agree it was a good speech. He presented some interesting ideas.
If Mitt gets elected he needs to empty 4 years of accumulated trash….is he UP tot he task?
I pray so
This morning Romney spoke at ***Bill Clinton’s*** Global Initiative,
WHY??? lay down with dogs?
demonstrated his understanding of the need for “effective” government/private sector partnerships in developing and improving third world countries.
WHY?
lets RE develop the USA, THEN maybe in 10-15 years we can worry about the “third world”…WE didnt make it, WE cant fix it,
any more than detroit, DC, LA, newark, NO etc. or other left wing hell holes that are 100% self induced.
neocon1,
Nothing positive to say about Romney’s speech?
Sure
it was great, wrong place with wrong people.
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“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces”.
Great speech! Good ideas. Good idea to have a positive thread on Romney. This will get people thinking
Mitt
I also understand that when people cheat, that kills jobs. China has cheated. I will not allow that to continue.
Paul Ryan VP
Mitt Romney and I will deliver a real recovery and a stronger America.
Now only if Romney had done this earlier…This is the strategy that needed to be done from the beginning. Yes, point out Where Obama has failed…(a very long list) and immediately give the solution – The Romney/Ryan solution…I think that is why he is down in the polls (albiet BLUE-LEANING POLLS)…but my point is that Obama is SO bad that had Romney been really stating HIS SOLUTIONS backed up against Obama’s record then I think he would have a large lead even in a blue poll. Obama is so bad that we should have a large lead in any poll sans CA, NY, ILL…THis is what is aggrevating…A strategy that comes too little too late…hopefully it isnt too lae and the debates and ads and appearances will drive home the point in the next month…but I am worried about our nations…we may be seeing the beginning of the end.
we may be seeing the beginning of the end.
it has been coming for a long time, a 60 year fall that has gone from the inept jimmah, to the filthy pig klintoon, to the marxist muslim usurper America hating racist.
Four more years of this cretin put in by the takers, looters and racists we will be done.
“it has been coming for a long time, a 60 year fall”
Republicans had the presidency for 36 of those years.
that is the reason we haven’t gone 100% down the tubes.
“neocon1 September 25, 2012 at 8:50 pm #
that is the reason we haven’t gone 100% down the tubes.”
Considering Republicans have had the presidency for 60% of the time period, you would think things would have improved instead of gotten worse.
caspurt
you REALLY dont understand our government do you?
“neocon1 September 25, 2012 at 8:58 pm #
caspurt
you REALLY dont understand our government do you?”
Obviously better than you.
obviously NOT
but hey this coming from a “Good Christian” church going man who champions SODOMY, MARXISM, ABORTION, islam, and who hates the constitution…..what can I say?
With the Republican party being in charge 60% of the time, it really shows how much damage the democrat party can do with just 40%.
No party is “in charge” unless it controls Congress and the White House. The 1994 midterm elections were the first time the GOP had controlled the House in something like 40 years.
Do the math.
And BTW it resulted in balanced budget and welfare reform.
And no, casper does NOT understand how the government works. Or the constitution, for that matter.
D-D
he has been on message, it has been buried by the leftist MSM
I don’t know if this is real, but it is funny.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81618.html
NOT funny, like you STUPID!
Much funnier and a lot truer than what you post.
only to a simpleton like you
That is funny!
It will be funnier when Mitt wins…..IM MELTING !!!!!!!!!
The odds of that are very slim.
What Romney’s charitable giving should mean for voters
By Jay Evensen,
Two things about Mitt Romney’s tax returns, released last week, stand out like a spotlight on a dark night.
The first is the amount he gave to charity in 2011 — $4,020,772, or 30 percent of his income.
The other, more stunning, item is that he claimed only $2.25 million of this because he didn’t want to be pushed into a lower tax bracket.
in the meantime king putt went on TV 4 times and the Mooch?…..vaaaaacation and OPM baaaaaby!!
“The other, more stunning, item is that he claimed only $2.25 million of this because he didn’t want to be pushed into a lower tax bracket.”
What to bet that he takes it next year?
Romney can refile on 7 November!
IF he does will it be illegal?
IF NOT STFU because the millionaire Ubama and his second stooge gave LESS combined that Mitt, but hey YOU let some bum sleep in one of your beds….what a guy!!
The Obamas also made quite a bit less. But it’s okay neocon1 I promise not to gloat after Obama wins. You’ll still be able to run out and get more ammunition to ward off those FEMA trailers!
Mitt has had a J-O-B and a business to make his money
al Ubammy has had AA, marxists, muslims, and terrorists GIVE him his….
OH and FAKE $300K political spoil “jobs” for the MOOCH!!
and YET to be written books…..SCHWEEEET
And yet Obama is President and Mitt Romney will never be. Next?
It will be interesting to see IF al Ubummer “wins” again…..
you lesbians and homosexuals in Hell might want borrow some ammunition from us “crazy” conservatives.
those wont be trailers in fema camps for YOU under sharia……
Sharia, really necon1? Sharia is impossible in the United States for people who are not Muslims. Courts in new York have been respecting Hassidic laws for decades. No one is running around with their head on fire about that. hey how come you didn’t want to lock up all the white Christians after the OKC bombing? Oh that’s right . . .
really??
does dearborn ring a ling a bell missy?
OH thats right
YOU were killed in the US civil was and now live in hell…silly me
hey say hello to yasser and adolph for me eh?
they would have had to lock up the real perpetrators of OHC klintoon and rino the KILLERS of women and children and NEITHER of those pigs were Christians.
“Go ahead, take everything I own; take my dignity. Feel good as you grow fat and rich at my expense; sucking my tax dollars and property.” Sounds an awful lot like you Neocon1
dead forker s.. blatch
you could never take my dignity
Sound an awful ot like you though.
only to you
NO ONE could take any of those from me with out a big government with guns doing their bidding.
.
No comment on the tax dollars part huh?
How about this one Neocon1; do you see any similarity in this statement and some of the things you have favored her at B4V?
“The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.”
not really….YET!
Sarah you have repeatedly been warned about your racist comments and the comparison of bigotry to the Holocaust has resulted in your posts from this moment on being removed from the blog. You are not allowed to post here any more. //Moderator
simple things amuse simpletons.
meanwhile the ME burns, Iran threatens to vaporize Israel AGAIN,
the POS grovels at his muslim masters feet, 15% unemployment, trillions of new unsustainable debt …………
and the dummies laugh at sophomoric jokes……we are really in sad shape……..hope you like the storm that is coming
Sarah you have repeatedly been warned about your racist comments and the comparison of bigotry to the Holocaust has resulted in your posts from this moment on being removed from the blog. You are not allowed to post here any more. //Moderator
what ever is right
Islam’s Latest Contributions to Peace
“Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another” Quran 48:29
2012.09.24 (Hit, Iraq) – Four schoolchildren are disassembled by a Holy Warrior with a car full of explosives.
2012.09.24 (Nankana Sahib, Pakistan) – A caretaker at a Shia shrine is assassinated by Sunni gunmen.
2012.09.23 (Bauchi, Nigeria) – A woman and a child at a church service are murdered by a Shahid suicide car bomber.
2012.09.23 (Baghdad, Iraq) – Terrorists bomb a mini-bus, killing three passengers.
2012.09.21 (Rada, Yemen) – Shiites storm a Sunni mosque and murder a cleric.
2012.09.21 (Nawa, Afghanistan) – Woman and children are among five people exterminated by Taliban bombers.
Of course casper thinks this is funny. It is is exactly what we would expect to appeal to him.
And of course he is not smart enough to see through the stench, to use a word that evidently attracted him, of crap like this:
“Who boos a guy in front of his 78-year-old mother? Other 78-year-old mothers.”
First there is the emotion-based “political analysis” of people being swayed by meeting someone’s mother. This is in line with the Leftist bleating about if someone is LIKABLE.
Then there is the fact that the authors didn’t find the rowdy hecklers offensive at all. Why is that, do you think”
Because they were rude and hostile and nasty to a REPUBLICAN, of course. But casper finds rudeness and crudeness and bad manners really FUNNY when it is directed toward a Republican candidate. Tee hee, titters casper, snickering into his chins.
And of course the real answer to the pretend question is, this was in front of AARP members, those who did not walk away from AARP when it was learned that they colluded with the government to get the “health care” bill passed.
Duh.
But then DUH is usually the only real response to a casper post.
That and “????????????? Did ANY of that make sense???”
Reality is:
*The MSM IS in the tank for Obama and acts as his 24/7 campaign ad on TV
*There will be a large turnout for Obama – radical left, loyal dems, hHollywood types, those just waiting for Obama’s term to end so Hillary can take over, etc.. We cannot underestimate their turnout.
*Fraudulent voting will probably take place for the dems.
So Romney must:
*Blitz the airwaves with ads – all over but especially in swing states
*Appear in all the swing states -separat from Ryan – hitting them hard
*Do VERY well in the debates (should not be too hard) but take advantage of a knock-out blow opportunity
*Repeat HIS Solutions OVER and OVER and OVER
*Conservatives/RHINOS/Paulbots/INDEES/Christians must turn out BIG TIME Despite what the media will say to us about it beinf over.
One of Romney’s problems is that he hasn’t been specific.And he isn’t consistent except in his changing of his positions from one sentence to the next. He has no core and has no clue about the life experience of “average” Americans. Just the other day he contradicted himself on the use of an ER and then he went on to make the assumption that if you don’t have health insurance, you live in an apartment. I don’t have health insurance and I live in a $400k house.
David D, it really is time for the Republicans, right wingers and those who in general just hate President Obama to STOP blaming the MSM for Romney’s problems. That is what the Republicans do – blame the media for their missteps. When you address Fox News and talk radio in its support of the GOP then you might – just might have an argument that the MSM is in the tank for President Obama. Until then, stop you whining and take responsibility for what your candidate is doing. You are either complaining about the MSM or calling fellow Republicans RINOs if they dare to criticize Romney’s campaign. And I am tired of Ann Romney complaining about “how hard this is” – running for president. No one forced her husband to run for president – but that is what he has been doing for years. She believes they are entitled to the White House because, after all. they are the Romney’s. As she said, it is their turn. I have no idea where she got the idea that anyone is entitled to a “turn” at the presidency. She is becoming less and less attractive as a potential first lady every day and every time she speaks. The SNL skit last week pretty well sums up how Mrs. Romney is coming across to the public.
So, stop blaming the news media for the Romney campaign mistakes. Prominent Republican voices have opined at how inept the Romney campaign is being run and that it needs to change direction. They are now labeled as RINOs.You and your fellow conservatives always preach about taking responsibility for your actions. Practice what you preach.
Oh, I see Velma’s back on her “they HATE Obama” snit again.
No, Velma, as hard as this evidently is for you to believe, people do not HATE OBAMA. We don’t give a flip about him as a person, about his being the most wonderful daddy in the whole wide world, about him being a doting husband, about his being nice and sweet and blah blah blah blah.
This is not a popularity contest, or at least it should not be.
This is, or should be, a JOB INTERVIEW.
You are the kind of person who, as a boss, would hire someone who has failed everything he has tried unless he has had someone looking out for him to make it happen. You would ignore a thin resume full of holes, with no information about school grades, little personal history, a litany of conflicting accounts of what personal history there is, and admissions of antipathy toward the company he is trying to convince to hire him.
You are the kind of person who, as a boss, would base the decision of who should be your new CEO on how “likable” he is and how he makes your heart pitter patter, and you would turn away from a man with a proven track record of both academic and business success because you FEEL that his success means he might not be able to “relate” to people.
So of course, because your entire view of politics is one step below American Idol, because you based your “opinions” on the flimsiest and most superficial perceptions of things that have absolutely nothing to do with qualifications to do the job well, you just can’t imagine that other people are more objective, more analytical, more in tune with what is needed to get the job done.
You think we are all as hate-driven as you are.
Sorry for the typos…fingers and keys getting stuck! Anyway you get the idea.
D-D
you cant fix stupid.
the school systems have preached marxism, homosexuality, and Godlessness by union thugs to young minds for years.
almost half the country is on the OPM plantation.
47% pay NO income tax.
Mitt doesnt need a message, if the POS in the WH has not woke the American people up NOTHING will.
we will reap what we have sown.
“neocon1 September 25, 2012 at 9:07 pm #
IF he does will it be illegal?
Never said it was illegal. Just that there is a chance he will get the money back next year.
“YOU let some bum sleep in one of your beds….what a guy!!”
Giving an Iraq War vet a place to stay is one of the best things I’ve every done.
ONE NIGHT? BFD
why didnt you give him your house and all it’s belongings?
and your next ten years of salary?
that would have made you even better.
This divide is borne out by data. Brooks found that in 2000, households headed by a conservative gave, on average, 30% more to charity than those headed by a liberal ($1,600 to $1,227). This discrepancy existed despite the fact that liberal households earned, on average, 6% more than conservative households. According to poll respondents, 77% of liberals believed the government could do more to redistribute wealth, while only 24% of conservatives felt the same way – which is why “heartless” right-wingers are more likely to volunteer, give blood and write charitable checks.
This is why conservatives favor contributing to organizations with low overhead, where donors are comfortable knowing the funds will get to the people who need them. As was seen in the collective bargaining fight in Wisconsin, a large part of government funds is diverted toward pensions and benefits, not to the people who are ultimately meant to benefit. And those forced to pay taxes have no choice but to play along.
neocon1 September 25, 2012 at 9:23 pm #
“ONE NIGHT? BFD
why didnt you give him your house and all it’s belongings?
and your next ten years of salary?
that would have made you even better.”
It wasn’t one night. It was much longer, until the vet found a job and a place to live.
until the vet
Riiiight
Peee Weeee
I have some swamp land to sell you….cheap
neocon1 September 25, 2012 at 9:27 pm #
until the vet
Riiiight
Peee Weeee
I have some swamp land to sell you….cheap”
Believe what you want. What have you done to help others?
Much more for much longer…….answer the question
answer the question……..
Romney is the only serious candidate in this election. He has had the courage to bring up Medicare reform, tax and entitlement reform, and he is the only candidate that can speak from a lengthy background of experience in accomplishing big things. Romney is the type of candidate that serious people look towards when deciding who is best to turn around a country that has lost it’s way. The only other candidate in this race does not have a serious, or successful track record to run on, nor does he have any credible back ground that would give anyone any confidence in his ability going forward.
Cluster
sadly the reality of what you just stated along with the LONG LONG list on bho’s negatives fall upon deaf ears….Germany 1933 de javu all over again
Nope, no record to run on, except for these ten pages of this socialist drivel.
Kudos to the Dems for giving Romney a standing “O” at Clinton’s brainchild. And kudos to Romney for showing up. Proof that we all do want the world to be a better place, we just disagree on the definition of “better.”
yeah
freedom.
or poverty from a bankrupted system leading to sharia.
Obama’s presidency is a colossal failure
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2012/09/14/obamas-presidency-is-a-colossal-failure.html
Romney: Iran is Obama’s Colossal Failure
Obama’s Presidency: Colossal Failure
http://www.creators.com/opinion/dick-morris/obama-s-presidency-colossal-failure.html
Too bad, creepy assclown, obAMATEUR’s not running on most of that list. He is running on why not to vote for Romney, rather than his “accomplishments”.
His “accomplishments” have been proven exaggerations (at best) and LIES.
Too bad, obAMATEUR does not see the propaganda you present.
……we just disagree on the definition of “better.” – bozo
NO! We disagree on how to accomplish “better”
BIG DIFFERENCE.
NO! We disagree on how to accomplish “better”
Cluster, with all due respect, we USED to disagree on how to accomplish “better”. The new Left’s definition of “better” is 180 degrees from mine, and, if you think about it, I suspect from yours as well. Today the Left’s definition of better is how many people are helped by government programs, while I (and I think most Conservatives) view “better” as how many people are helped OFF government dependence. One view endorses the power of economic freedom while the other endorses the failure of economic equality.
NEW YORK (AP) — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that a new world order needs to emerge, away from years of what he called American bullying and domination.
And this is exactly what Obama wants as well. Obama would prefer that America is just another country sitting at the table rather that at the head of the table. Obama and Ahmadinejad are sympatico on this issue – not good.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/UN_UN_GENERAL_ASSEMBLY_AHMADINEJAD?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-26-01-02-07
You put far to much value on a third world country President’s words.
this man isn’t even a leader in his own Iran, much less on the world stage. I think what the main issue is, is the fact that your candidate is getting creamed in most swing states these days and you’re panicking.
You should be talking about the economy. If the GOP can’t win in this sluggish economy that’s growing at a slow rate…then you won’t ever win a national election.
Ooooooooooooooooo
“PANICKING…………..FEAR………….TERROR” ……LOL
nah we leave that for you lefty looters.
then you won’t ever win a national election.
Riiiiight keep repeating that over and over as you sit on the toilet seat……ROTFLMAO
If al Ubama wins hope you are ready for the fire storm he will unleash.
jimmah
You put far to much value on a third world country President’s words.
like fidel, hugo, pol pot, mao?
Riiiiiight pee wee!!
Mitt
are you listening???
where are YOUR for hitlerys resignation???
Romney: Obama Doesn’t Want People To Know What Happened In Libya…
Libyan president: Anti-Islam film had ‘nothing to do with’ US consulate attack…
NOTE to Mitt…..GO ON the ATTACK this is a winner……..
then you won’t ever win a national election.
I recall a number of Democrats saying exactly that after the 2008 presidential election, James. Two years later there was a power shift of historic proportions: GOP gains included 7 Senate seats, 63 Congressional seats, 6 governorships and nearly 700 state legislature seats.
It’s often said that the only things certain are death and taxes. I would add “change” to that list, and, when you make statements like, “if you do (or don’t do) X, Y will (or won’t ever) occur, you just open yourself up to ridicule sooner or later, and usually sooner. I recall a young member of Clinton’s economic team announcing on one of the Sunday morning shows back in the late 90’s that they had defeated the business cycle — no more recessions, no more stock market crashes. Within a year of so, the NASDAQ had dropped 50%, and we were back in recession. And THAT happened BEFORE Clinton left office.
Spook
the truth matters not to leftist useful idiots,and trolls.
They get paid by MM, this is their “job”.
the rest are addicted to OPM and fear.
Spook, maybe you are intentionally obtuse.
I recall a number of Democrats saying exactly that after the 2008 presidential election, James. Two years later there was a power shift of historic proportions: GOP gains included 7 Senate seats, 63 Congressional seats, 6 governorships and nearly 700 state legislature seats.
Midterm elections ALWAYS favor the party out of power. Midterm elections have ALWAYS had lower turnout than elections where the President is running. What did those 63 seats do for you? Did it improve congress’ image or ratings? did congress accomplish anything? Is Mitt Romney being buoyed by Ryan’s presence on the ticket in Wisconsin? What do you think will happen when Romney loses the election and Democrats gain about 20 seats in the house and maintain the senate? You think the Tea Party will be as hawkish during the second Obama term?
Your rant about your memory of what a clinton staffer said or didn’t say on a morning talkshow 15 years ago is irrelevant.
The fact is that Romney is down in most swing states. The fact is Romney needs a miracle to win. You can see the writing on the wall, you just don’t want to admit it.
The fact is that Romney is down in most swing states. The fact is Romney needs a miracle to win. You can see the writing on the wall, you just don’t want to admit it.
Whatever you say, James.
This is where we are today. And I will remind everyone, that Rasmussen has been, hands down, the most accurate poll of all:
Wednesday, September 26, 2012
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows both President Obama and Mitt Romney attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.
When “leaners” are included, it’s Romney 48% and Obama 46%.
Furthermore, when the incumbent consistently polls under 50%, that means he has lost all of the undecideds and the independents. Secondly, when Romney wins the debates, we will see more separation in these numbers in favor of Romney.
It will be very interesting in the debate when Romney lays out his plan to get this economy going which include medicare, tax, regulatory and entitlement reforms, flattening out and lowering deficits, putting more money back into the private sector, negotiating new trade agreements, incentivizing business start ups, and opening up domestic energy development, and then turning to Obama to hear his plan which will include ……………………………….. the overwhelming sound of crickets.
Obama has no plan. Unless you call more government stimulus and pay outs to cronies as a plan.
man, the GOP talking points are in full swing today. Cluster is really desperate down there in the southwest…tough times when your candidate is getting blown out of the water….
That’s the typical empty response I expect from you. A thinking person, would have rebutted by laying out Obama’s plan. But then again, we all know you are not a thinking person.
Carry on.
A thinking person, would have rebutted by laying out Obama’s plan
Plan — what plan? He don’t need no steeeeenking plan. He’s the One We Have All Been Waiting For.
if you want to see the plan, i recommend you give this a read.
http://www.barackobama.com/economy?source=primary-nav
all the issues are listed, and all the policies the President has enacted and wants to enact his second term are there.
the problem with people like you cluster is…you’re all talk. you post endlessly on blogs like this one to like minded people, and you convince yourself that you’re right and that your candidate is winning…..until he loses…then it must have been fraud, it must have been the stupid electorate.
The truth is, you are on the wrong side of history.
James,
That link is as empty of substance as your posts are. It really is nothing more than platitudes. Obama didn’t save the auto industry. He temporarily propped up the UAW at GM – that’s it. And now they still owe tax payers over $100 million, and the Chevy Volt is out of production. With unthinking minions like you, this country is in a world of hurt.
Oh here we go again with Cluster.
He didn’t save the auto industry…he just helped them survive….riiight…keep running in Michigan and Ohio on that meme and let’s see if that works for you.
You must not know about investments for the long term….you must always sell short…
The websites has plenty of policy details. Unlike Romney, who won’t even tell us what loopholes for taxes he will close…until AFTER the election. Or just like he won’t tell us what cuts he would make to the budget….
seriously, your party and ideology is a joke. I suggest you tick back toward the center or you’ll be extinct soon enough.
James,
Serious question – how do you consider that Obama “saved” the auto industry when they still owe tax payers over $100 billion, all private bond holder lost their investments, non union Delphi workers lost their pensions, the Chevy Volt is out of production, GM eventually filed bankruptcy, and sales still lag behind Ford? Please answer honestly.
Also, I am far more center than you. This is a center right country, and you are on the far left.
The polls have to be inaccurate and misrepresented. Skewed and manipulated. It doesn’t matter that the polling firms are businesses and have to sell the accuracy and validity of their product. They are simply not believable because they show the president in the lead.
The most pressing question for me is, why does Mr. Romney not understand that there is a reason why windows in airplanes do not open. Maybe he thinks screen doors in submarines are a good idea as well.
The most pressing question for me is, why does Mr. Romney not understand that there is a reason why windows in airplanes do not open. Maybe he thinks screen doors in submarines are a good idea as well.
There are two simple explanations, Mitch. (a) as was explained (too late to prevent it from going viral), it was a joke; or (b) a Democrat operative slipped a clip from a Biden speech onto Romney’s teleprompter. But you can keep believing Romney’s that stupid.
spook,
why ignore the first part of his post? do you believe ALL the polls are wrong like Neocon1 and cluster do? Do you believe erroneously that Rasmussen is the most correct pollster?
I’d like to read your opinion on the matter.
James,
All polls are somewhat inaccurate and that is normally noted as the Margin of Error (MoE) and then all polls are skewed to differing degrees by weighting the responses. At best they are ‘educated guesses’ and even the pollsters themselves have admitted that much including Rasmussen. Nevertheless, Rasmussen and one other (can’t recall off-hand) have been deemed as the most accurate over the long term.
“Do you believe erroneously that Rasmussen is the most correct pollster?”
Why bother asking when you have already answered your own question? Since you have qualified any positive response by Spook as “erroneous” this little exercise is pointless.
spook,
why ignore the first part of his post? do you believe ALL the polls are wrong like Neocon1 and cluster do? Do you believe erroneously that Rasmussen is the most correct pollster?
I’d like to read your opinion on the matter.
I don’t put much stock in polls, James, except the one on November 6th. I think this country faces a bleak future if Obama wins, but I’ll deal with it — I’m a survivor first and foremost.
I give him the benefit of the doubt about submarines. Liked your joke about Biden and the teleprompter though. Show’s Mitt will read whatever is put in front of him. All of them, like a certain person from Alaska.
db,
again, that’s not true. polls aren’t guesses. they are scientific samples taken which represent the a projection of the results of a race.
Click to access 2008%20poll%20accuracy%20panagopoulos.pdf
Rasmussen isn’t the most accurate. in 2008, it was ranked as the 7th most accurate. read the report and at least get some perspective.
also, margins of error are present in polls, but thank God, the president is polling outside the margin of error in a number of battleground polls.
mitche seems to be eager to expand his list of Republicans to hate, sneer at, and generally attack. Evidently Bush is not enough, so he has to try to smear Palin.
But that’s mitche—— so defined by spite and malice that he has to find a way to slip an ad hominem attack into anything he writes. Palin—really?
I understand he hasn’t gone after Nixon lately…………..
Fact Check: Is Romney’s tax rate really lower than yours?
IRS data, though, shows that Romney’s effective income tax rate — that’s what he pays as a percentage of his income once deductions and other benefits are factored in — is actually far higher than what most Americans pay.
And it’s certainly higher than what someone making $50,000 pays.
IRS data from 2010 shows someone making between $50,000 and $75,000 on average pays an effective rate of 7.8 percent. Even someone making between $100,000 and $200,000 pays a 12.1 percent rate — also lower than Romney’s.
But don’t forget to attack the messenger because that is the only response you have. Try to rebut the data for once.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/25/fact-check-is-romney-tax-rate-really-lower-than-yours/#ixzz27ZSphHft
You leave out the rest of the article…..how convenient.
when you factor in Payroll taxes that MOST working class people pay, Romney paid less than most working class people who make 50k a year.
You can’t just judge based on federal income taxes, you have to take into consideration the whole picture.
Spalin it to me James!!!
db, your analysis also fails to mention that the investments that generate Romney’s income come, to a great extent, from ordinary income at which he has already been taxed at the individual tax rate.
I am just trying to make them educ-my-cate them selves. Plus, I owe you an apology farther down the post.
Now this poll here should be considered the most accurate of all. It shows Mitt and barky in a dead heat in Ohio.
Make sure you scroll all the way down and check the party identification data.
Have a very good day everyone.
🙂
http://argojournal.blogspot.com/2012/09/poll-watch-gravis-marketingcapitol_24.html
James,
I just don’t say that Rasmussen is the most accurate. It’s actually a fact. You can disregard that if you want:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2929256/posts
Cluster,
Again, that’s patently false. Look at the actual report by Fordham University.
Rasmussen came in at number SEVEN.
Click to access 2008%20poll%20accuracy%20panagopoulos.pdf
enjoy the read!
James, please enjoy the read
The Pew Research Center and Rasmussen Reports were the most accurate in predicting the results of the 2008 election, according to a new analysis by Fordham University political scientist Costas Panagopoulos.
The Fordham analysis ranks 23 survey research organizations on their final, national pre-election polls, as reported on pollster.com.
On average, the polls slightly overestimated Obama’s strength. The final polls showed the Democratic ahead by an average of 7.52 percentage points — 1.37 percentage points above his current 6.15-point popular vote lead. Seventeen of the 23 surveys overstated Obama’s final victory level, while four underestimated it. Only two — Rasmussen and Pew — were spot on.
Vox Populi.jpg
Here is the list –
1T. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1T. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
3. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
4. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
5. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
6T. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
6T. ARG (10/25-27)*
8T. CNN (10/30-11/1)
8T. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
10. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
11. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
12. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
13. FOX (11/1-2)
14. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
15. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
16. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
17. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
18. Marist College (11/3)
19. CBS (10/31-11/2)
20. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
You know its funny, you don’t read the report that I posted by the author. He CORRECTED his prediction and based it on the results. his study was done in 2009 and he clearly states in his report that Rasmussen was number 7 in accuracy.
You simply posted the SAME blog post from free republic…a CONSERVATIVE website and claim it proves you’re right.
idiot doesn’t even begin to describe you.
James,
You’re not comparing apples to apples. That is not a correction, it is a more detailed analysis using aggregators, and the Mosteller measures against historic polling. You might want to read the article.
I have a question for DB. I have allot of respect for your knowledge about polling and statistics so I am assuring you that this is a sincere question.
Using your speeding ticket analogy from the other day, lets say I was clocked by 10 different radar guns, all within inches of each other, all checked and calibrated for accuracy and I decide to plead innocent and have a jury trial. During the trial, it is revealed that only 2 of the 10 radar guns showed I was speeding. Using the legal concept of a preponderance of evidence, and not going deep enough into the manufacture of the circuitry which comprises said guns, what are the odds of me being found to be in violation of the speed limit?
My point is that more polls show Romney losing than show him ahead and with the public being; well the public, their impressions, thoughts, feelings, etc are being validated by both the polls and by Romneys own behavior which only serves to further reinforce the opinions as measured by these polls. The disingenuousness comes from the conscious decision to try to invalidate the polls by making the wild claim “the media” is involved in some grand conspiracy. If the polls were reversed, the right would be testifying to how infallible polling data is. I do agree, however, that on some psychological level, polling data does have an impact on decision making but it remains somewhat cloudy as to (1) how much of an effect and (2) whether or not the decision an individual makes is with the majority. Some people like being contrary for no reason other than being that way.
Poll: Carter 63, Reagan 32
In 1980, Reagan looked unelectable. All the way to election day, when a final-week surge led to a 10-point landslide.
DREAM on TROLLS
Reagan was a better candidate. Iran Contra came after he was elected.
Romney exemplifies the terms “free radical” and “uncontrollable variable”. Plus he is neither specific nor consistent in his messaging. But his greatest weakness is his likeability. People do not care for him on a gut level, and say what you will (Ama) many people make decisions based on intuition (the 6th sense), impressions and just plain “feelings”. Pure cognitive empiricism is non existent. Left brain, right brain and all of that but the mix of the two consists of a consciousness that is bicameral.
Neo is gonna be a rich man! With all these MSM polls skewed in favor of Obozo, and betting websites paying out FIVE TO ONE for a Mittens victory = EASY MONEY! It’s like these oddsmakers are trying to give their money away!
Rich, I tells ya. Rich.
Does this lay square with the often stated opinion that debates bare no weight?
After this post — Mitch, you define the term “free radical” and “uncontrollable variable”. Plus he is neither specific nor consistent in his messaging.
Somehow, I feel Romney may win.
I have a question for DB. I have allot of respect for your knowledge about polling and statistics so I am assuring you that this is a sincere question.
I also have a question — well, actually a couple questions for DB or anyone else who is familiar with polling. Do any of the polls take into account the recent study that Romney supporters are 3-4 times more likely to actually, you know, vote, than Obama supporters? And given that dynamic, do any of the polls factor in the psychology attached to a lead in the polls for Obama. That is, if on the morning of November 6th, Obama has, say, a RealClear Politics average lead of 5%. Does that motivate Republicans to come out in larger numbers than normal, and, conversely, does that give Democrats a false sense that Obama is a shoe-in and their vote isn’t needed, subsequently suppressing the Democrat vote?
JR,
From what I have seen is there are two polls that most (except Rasmussen / Pew) leave out and I am not sure how much they incorporate either or both.
You brought up one which is the “likely to vote” of the lively voters (LV) in the pools. With 0 being “Hell no” to 10 being “You’d have to kill me first.” Actual polls going 1-9, the LV Democrats are scoring between 1 and 3 while registered Republicans are scoring between 7 and 9. A wee bit more set to make sure their vote cotes.
Add to that that the self-identifying Dems are down over 3.5 points this election while the self-identifying Repubs are up almost 4 spins a new view on things.
Add to the mix that the average poll for the One we have been waiting for is skewed +7.2 % at a minimum–I am getting the popcorn ready.
Should be interesting but I still wonder if it would be fair to kick Obama voters while they are on the ground crying? Any idea?
db, as for how to treat Dems if they lose, I think the freaky clown is setting up the probable Dem scenario, which is a claim of cheating. As he said, “….R/R could get lucky like the Seahawks and get a grossly incompetent ref to call it in their favor.”
I have a feeling that a GOP victory will not suggest how to treat Dems whimpering on the ground in misery, but rather how to deal with mobs and riots, violence and retribution, and so many various claims of cheating, intimidation, attacks on Dems., etc. that the last thing that any of us will care about will be hurt feelings.
They may win ugly, but they lose uglier.
Ama,
.44 mag and no regrets. Harsh. Yes but no regrets.
BTW, being more civil of sorts–I see months of litigation.
I see businesses burned and bodies in the street. I see Middle East style riots, instigated by the professional “students” who start the violence at venues like the OWS charades and WTO meetings and so on. I see Watts redux, as black rage, which has been carefully nurtured by the Left and by Obama, is fanned into flames.
I see a nation callously shattered, splintered in a calculated effort to divide the nation along racial, religious, economic and geographic lines and then turn each group against the others, to gain and keep power, and this damaged nation goaded into violence if its manipulators do not get their way.
What I do NOT see is a gracious acknowledgement of defeat from Obama, or a gracious exit from the White House, as we saw from George W. Bush.
As you know Mitch, I try to remove the people factor as much as possible which is why I may bet the dogs running but never the horses. One roommate several years ago was a pony hustler who gave me that evenings results prior to leaving for work as a jockey.
I also agree that polling is as statistical as statistical can get; however there are too many moving parts to make more than (in my poor choice of terms) an educated guess.
I am not saying anyone is trying to cheat or is cheating–I am saying that the polls can not be that accurate until just before election when, like hurricane maps, all tend to localize as voters consolidate there positions.
Honestly, I have no dog in the fight except my one little vote to remove King Putt & Queen Mooch from their current positions As an IT professional over the course of time–I have seen this BS again and again. I enjoy the farce of it all. Look farther down this blog when I answer another question you may not have considered.
Awkward & Embarrassing …
Awkward and embarrassing — Obama tries to talk.
cO
why would you be embarrassed?
why would you care if Mitt was?
at least he doesn’t need a prompter in front of SIXTH graders…talk about embarrassing………but hey what does some FOREIGN hayseed know.
Very small from a very small observer. Nothing better? What a real piss ant you seem to be. Why don’t you spend some time taking on your own government as it closes down on free speech? Waiting for America to save your sorry ass again? Thought so.
I have no experience of my 1st amendment rights being compromised. And I caution you to making assumptions. It makes you look foolish and I have expressed nothing but civility towards you so, if you are a man, why don’t you do the same?
Really, db, what the hell is wrong with you, that you don’t recognize the civility in being called an extremist, a fanatic, delusional—and on a blog where he barges in to dump his mental sewage, time and time again, over and over again, obsessively, constantly insulting all conservatives here and conservatives in general. Gee, how civil!! How classy!!
He does not discuss politics, but he wallows in the pseudo-politics of Identity Politics, gleefully and ghoulishly repeating lies and slanders and distortions, and he seems to find this “civil”.
Yeah, the alleged Canadian pretend observer does all that he ever does, and plays the Identity Politics game, going after people on the most petty and superficial grounds and pretending that this is actually political discourse.
it is, of course, the pseudo political version of gossip, but all he is interested in.
Mitch,
I am speaking of the free speech rights of Canadians which are quickly being eroded; nevertheless, I did not expect you to catch that one.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/09/romney-goes-re-direct.html
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/09/romneys-current-36-percent-chance-.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/25/gallup-rasmussen-polling-outliers-lean-republican
time will tell, hope if you are correct Bmitch you will get the full might of al Ubama’s policies visited upon your house first. After all it is what you want….Germany 1933 ENJOY!!
None are worth watching as you appear to be nothing more than a fly on the side of the outhouse. Try sometime when you have your own and a valid opinion. Starting with YOUR OWN and then VALID.
db, mitche does not think, or have his own opinions. He seeks out and sorts through the most vile, despicable and hateful of the comments from his Fellow Travelers and then scurries over here to deposit them with such pride, as if this blog is nothing more than a litter box for his mental droppings.
And then he preens in his imagined “civility”.
“…. his greatest weakness is his likeability”
But I don’t want to date him. I want to hire him.
Veril Goode??? Can I be shot for that???