Liberal Honesty

One of our resident liberals has finally taken a firm ideological stand, after years of numerous requests to do so, and I want to thank James for having the courage to do just that.  This now opens up an honest dialogue on left vs right ideology and how it relates to the constitutional framework of this country. It also sheds light on the true intent of the new Democratic Party led by Barack Obama. That ideological position was articulated by James and is the following:

“I believe in big government. I believe that government should provide citizens with guaranteed healthcare, free education, and pensions. This would be paid for by higher marginal tax rates on everyone.

I don’t believe in the 10th amendment or the sovereignty of states. we should have ONE national drivers license, one national licence plate, one national criminal code. states should not have their own constitution or autonomy to decide on issues like abortion, gay marriage, or death penalty.

I believe that an education system controlled from the federal government and enacted by the federal government is better than having a rag tag of 50 states with 50 different levels of education and standards.

I believe that big government spending on social programs with our tax dollars is not only acceptable but morally required to take care of the needy in our nation. states should not even touch those issues.

I believe in a strong military and I don’t believe each state should have its own national guard. the national guards should be under control of the federal government.”

In my opinion, James is not alone in this ideological stance which I believe is shared by many current Democrats, but a position of which is completely antithetical to our Constitution. It is my belief that this is at the root of our current political divide, and why so many of us conservatives are attacked personally. The left DOES want to fundamentally transform America, as clearly stated by Barack Obama, and any effort to maintain the traditions of America, will be met with irrational hate instead of informed debate. This should make for an interesting debate, and I hope it does, but like too many other threads, let’s not allow it to devolve into name calling.

UPDATE:

This ideological divide is what is also at stake on November 6th. A vote for Obama, is a vote for the vision James outlined. A vote for Romney is a vote to restore traditional American constitutional principles. For the sake of this great country, and for those across the globe that depend on a strong and free America to stand behind them, and support them in their desire to be free, I pray Romney wins.

 

Advertisements

48 thoughts on “Liberal Honesty

  1. Cluster November 1, 2012 / 4:17 pm

    There can be no question that the Democratic Party is doing their best to “fundamentally change” this country. And the only people protecting this country as it was founded, is the tea party and constitutional conservatives. The following is an email from Barney Frank.

    “Winning a Democratic majority in the House, along with maintaining a Democratic Senate and re-electing President Obama, are absolutely essential to continuing the significant advances that we began in 2009 and which were later blocked by the arrival of the Tea Party,” – Barney Frank said in a fundraising email for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    The Democratic Party is not your father’s Democratic Party, the one that boasted of JFK, and one that has moved further left since the days of Clinton, to the point of being a danger to this country. There can be no compromise with people that support this effort.

    • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 4:21 pm

      to the point of being a danger to this country.( and it’s people) There can be no compromise with people that support this effort.

      BINGO!!

  2. neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 4:46 pm

    There is NO lib “honesty” only evil and alinsky…….

    November 1, 2012
    Ohio by way of Somalia
    Greg Halvorson

    Friends, I really, really hate reporting on left-wing fraud efforts. One wants to believe in ballot integrity, that this – America – isn’t some 3rd world rathole where juntas miraculously snag 90% of the vote from Shanty City.

    But we have to remember, there are Americans who welcome this, and not only welcome it, but work toward destroying election integrity for two reasons: 1) they can’t win on the merits; and 2) they seek the power to destroy liberty by means of acquiring monopolistic power. The left has no virtue, no morals and, as in all things Alinsky, the means justifies the end.

    Which brings us to Ohio, where “immigrants”… errr, refugees…. have suddenly – miraculously! – taken an interest in politics. Yes, the exact same thing that I watched occur in Nevada – union buses off-loading non-English speaking “citizens” who were directed to vote for Harry Reid – is happening in Ohio – this time with Somalis. These people don’t know amnesty from apples, and likely don’t politic because they don’t read English… And yet, all they need in order to vote is proof that they PAY A UTILITY BILL? One does not need to be a United States citizen – and thus an eligible voter! – in order to get a utility company to put an account in one’s name.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/ohio_by_way_of_somalia.html#ixzz2B0Qw6Ou0

    • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 4:54 pm

      Keith Ellison: Voter ID Is Like ‘The Devil’

      “When the devil comes back, he’s not gonna be red skinned and two horns and a tail.”

      no keith, he is the muslim in the white hut

  3. Norma Stitz November 1, 2012 / 4:57 pm

    James

    This blog certainly has a spirited response to your opinion.

    Before I address anything I feel the need to verify something you mentioned, as it seems rather “out there” from my 63-year old perspective.

    Do you really want BIG government, as a goal?

    I would think the desire for EFFECTIVE government would be universal but to have “big” as a goal unto itself almost seems cartoonish. It’s like a “Family Feud” topic, “name something a stereotyped liberal would say.”

    Surely you must be mis-stating this, but then again, maybe not. Please clarify this and I’d love to discuss things from there.

    • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 5:07 pm

      james is an iranian troll who has been bounced from this blog many times posting under various names……feed him at your own risk. 🙂

      • Norma Stitz November 1, 2012 / 5:17 pm

        Neocon (if that is a proper address)

        I appreciate your energy, though I fear your responses have so much “edge” to them they discourage open conversation.

        Now that James has dared speak his honest opinion I look forward a vibrant discussion. I worry that terms like “iranian troll” will throw cold water on that discussion.

        (James, are you really living in Iran? If so, I would love to discuss US-Iranian relations with someone living there)

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 5:45 pm

        norma

        I worry that terms like “iranian troll” will throw cold water on that discussion.

        “discussion” ??

        RONFLMAO

        ever hear of PAID agent provocateurs?
        Trolls are just that disruptors and agitators that plague conservative sites.
        cold water? more like peeing on their camp fire

      • Norma Stitz November 1, 2012 / 5:52 pm

        You mean James is paid to write negatively on political blogs?

        Oh, dear. What has become of our political system that people like James exists?

        Can’t the people who run this blog keep out a paid agent, once they are discovered. How did you discover James? Who does he work for? Slate?

      • Norma Stitz November 1, 2012 / 5:54 pm

        Neocon

        Please accept my apology for putting down your humor. I had no idea paid agents like James exist. Such a professional deserves all your derision.

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 6:02 pm

        norma

        there are serious people who post here on both sides, then there are the flying monkey teams of trolls.
        we know who they are, some here play with them, some feed them and some like me just scorn them.
        When we get to going strong the “SHADOW” (moderator) deletes them LOL.

        🙂

    • James0601 November 1, 2012 / 8:40 pm

      Norma,

      If you believe neoconehead, I live in Iran, yet I am a paid agent…who can post on US sites from Iran through all the internet filters the iranian regime puts on its people.

      If you honestly believe that, then you must also believe that neo was a vietnam vet (or so he claims) and that he is a man……

      On another note, i’d discuss anything with you, ask away.

      • Norma Stitz November 1, 2012 / 9:23 pm

        James

        Well, you’ve certainly been civil with me so I’ll give it a go.

        But first, I still need to know if you overstated your position or you really do favor big government as a concept. I mean, it is one thing to say I want a lot of government and that takes a big government but simething else completely to say you favor big government.

        A presumed liberal saying they like big government is as stereotypical as an Indian saying they like heap big wampum.

        But maybe that really is the first line that describes your point of view. I hope not, but maybe.

        Please let me know, I’ll have many questions aftward, either way.

      • James0601 November 1, 2012 / 9:29 pm

        I’d like a big efficient government. There is no reason our government can’t be efficient and large at the same time.

        I’d like the government to be large enough to handle anything from national emergencies, to issuing me a national driver’s license.

      • tiredoflibbs November 1, 2012 / 9:47 pm

        “I’d like a big efficient government.”

        There is nor will there ever be big, EFFICIENT government. Your statement just proves you have no common sense nor any grasp of history. Oh and no grasp on reality.

      • Norma Stitz November 1, 2012 / 10:49 pm

        James

        Other parts of his response notwithstanding, I think TiredofLibs hit the nail on the head.

        All organizations – be they corporations or government or otherwise – become less efficient as they get bigger, once a certain threshold has been surpassed. One usually doesn’t know that threshold, that sweet spot of organization size, until it is surpassed. But clearly the U.S. government has passed that threshold.

        Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one of those “starve the beast” conservatives. Reducing government is an amazingly complex task.

        Do you disagree? Do you feel the government would work even better if it were just a little bigger?

      • James0601 November 1, 2012 / 11:36 pm

        I think the government at this size and percentage of the GDP is fine.

        it can be made more efficient, that’s for sure.

        generally speaking, you may not be a starve the beast conservative, but your party is.

      • Norma Stitz November 2, 2012 / 12:05 am

        James

        I agree there are a lot of “starve the beast” Republicans but that is not the whole Party. Frankly, I wish there were more than two viable parties, as neither one suits all my desires.

        But I see a lot more hapening on the Republican side to make government more efficient than the Democratic Party. I was very disappointed by the profligate spending of Mr. Bush’s administration but that notwithstanding there are more ideas to trim government coming from those with an “R” by their names.

        Some ideas are good, some are bad, some are outright crazy, but ideas are being formed that should be tested, but all the Democratic leadership does is say, “that won’t work” and then move on to the next spending bill.

        What do you think would be a good way to reduce government? I’ll even grant you the elephant in the room and say the military must have some fat to trim.

      • Cluster November 2, 2012 / 7:56 am

        James,

        I am just curious if you know this. What is current government spending as a percentage of GDP?

  4. Retired Spook November 1, 2012 / 5:13 pm

    I’d love to hear from some of our other resident Lefties, Dennis, Mitch, Watson, Bozo, Canadian Observer as to whether or not they agree with James. I have a feeling he could be a one-of-a-kind or a one off, if you will, but I could be wrong.

    • Norma Stitz November 1, 2012 / 5:19 pm

      Mr. Spook (great Star Trek reference)

      Perhaps if we maintain a civil discussion the others you name will feel more able to open up.

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 5:46 pm

        yeah and the moon is made of green cheeze and we could feed the world with it while singing kum byah!!

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 5:52 pm

        norma

        tell your opinion on
        saul alinsky, louis farracan, rev wright, king shabazz, the SEIU, teamsters, NBPP, NOI, occupy wall street, CPUSA, and what would you like to “discuss” with them? to what end?

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 5:54 pm

        do you think opening up to hitler and the nazis in 1939 would have changed things?
        how?

      • Norma Stitz November 1, 2012 / 5:56 pm

        That is very funny, Neocon. I’m starting to “get” your humor.

      • Cluster November 1, 2012 / 6:00 pm

        Neocon,

        I would like to have a discussion with anyone, and encourage any liberal to chime in. In fact I have a few very liberal friends in CA that I chat with on Facebook, and they just hate it when I remain civil and bury them with facts. I have to admit though that with a few exceptions, most of them are civil to, but after a few exchanges, their responses equate to – “oh yea, well Romney is a liar”.

        If you just understand that most liberals are irrational, over emotional and ill informed, it’s pretty easy to win a debate. Or at least expose them for the political adolescent they are.

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 6:05 pm

        cluster

        you Ama and spook are the surgeons who work the scalpels, I am the bull in the china shop who wrecks the place…….the old Grunt in me….LOL

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 6:06 pm

        norma
        That is very funny, Neocon. I’m starting to “get” your humor.

        a northern Buffalo NY humor and lots of sarcasm as humor.
        some catch it some dont, glad you do.

      • Cluster November 1, 2012 / 6:19 pm

        Neocon,

        Very funny. I can’t disagree with that.

      • Norma Stitz November 1, 2012 / 6:22 pm

        So, is James really a paid Iranian agent? I won’t react to anything he writes if that’s really who he is. Can’t the blog’s owners simply block him?

        I eas really looking forward to a real back and forth discussion…

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 6:27 pm

        cluster

        LOL
        when my liberal bar buds insist on talking politics the Princess casually relocates to another table, I press their buttons …when the cussing and shouting end we all have a beer together….. still buds.
        none of them are hard core leftists though, usually still suffering from BDS.
        There are others who I will not discuss anything religion or politics with (yeah me) they are crazies that nothing can be said to, so I just nod my head and get kicked in the shins and get the LOOK from across the table and agree with them…….

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 6:41 pm

        Norma

        I eas really looking forward to a real back and forth discussion…

        you still can, I look forward to see how you handle him now his cover is blown and you understand his and others game.

      • Amazona November 1, 2012 / 10:07 pm

        Norma, a little information is worse than no information at all. First let me correct “James” who is falsely claiming that anyone has said he lives in Iran. It’s a little game he plays, restating what was said into something else, so he can then deny his invented version. He was described as Iranian, not as living in Iran.

        “James” is the latest name in a series of names, all of which have pushed so hard into racism, anti-Americanism, and other bigotries that he has been kicked off the blog under each of them. As “James” his racism, etc are a little more controlled but as these are core components of who and what he is, they will surely surface.

        “James” is of Iranian descent, living in Houston. He is a sad little creature, devoured by hate, eager to exhibit it at any opportunity. He let it slip that he is Persian, but for a long time claimed to be Norwegian, with a townhouse in Paris, blah blah blah. He has a sad and sordid history regarding his many failures with women. He has made comments such as his belief that his income makes him better than other people, and he has been reported to the FBI for his virulent anti-American comments, some of which approached threats.

        He has evidently learned from this, and now boasts of gloating and mocking only regarding the outcome of our election, and not the destruction of the country.

        I doubt that he is paid, but we have had some trolls on the blog who appear to have been sent here to disrupt it. My personal belief is that “James” is merely a sociopath who gets great pleasure from being as hateful as possible. He has a certain level of intelligence but it is so tainted by his relentless exhibitions of ugliness, hatred, resentment, etc. that it is a waste. He is morally and intellectually lazy, preferring to spout inane comments he has heard from others, which is why he can make such ridiculous statements as believing in all of the Constitution except the 10th Amendment.

        I engage him when he is willing, because he offers such a wonderful opportunity to illustrate the moral and intellectual failings of the rabidly radical Liberal. But you need to understand that there is nothing to be gained by trying to take hims seriously, or trying to engage him in a serious discussion. We know him too well, we know his tricks and his fantasies and his lies, but you are new and might not realize what a truly malignant creature he is, or the depth of his dishonesty.

        I think he does mean what he says about big government, etc. but he is lacking enough actual knowledge to do more than spout these half-baked concepts.

        Just an FYI. He is not being picked on, at least no more that he deserves, given his history here and the many despicable things he has said here. Don’t worry about him.

      • Norma Stitz November 2, 2012 / 12:08 am

        Amazona

        Thanks for the heads-up. So far, he is being quite civil.

    • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 5:55 pm

      Spook

      🙂 but I could be wrong. 🙂

  5. M. Noonan November 1, 2012 / 6:23 pm

    A lot of what James stated is very convention liberalism – once you understand what liberalism really amounts to. Even some pretty wise people – even some fabulously wise liberals – mistake the goal. The problem we have is that “liberalism” sounds like it is akin to “liberty” – this makes it appear that a liberal might be in favor of freedom or something approximating it.

    To take it way back, when Louis XVI became King of France the aged philosopher Voltaire wrote a little article which lauded all the wonderful things he hoped that the new, young King would do – among them was a hope that the “laws would be made uniform”. Just as our friend James desires, Voltaire didn’t like the patchwork of local laws and customs which prevented a “rational” legal code for France. This is actually a key aspect of liberalism – a desire for uniformity in the most crucial things. A liberal will tolerate all sorts of oddity in trivial matters (dress, manners, etc) but just can’t stand the thought that someone might do something important differently from people in another area.

    The thing is, though, that the laws we live under must be as far as possible the laws that we want…and they can’t be what we want if they are entirely made by a remote, central government which is only dimly aware of the needs and desires of any particular local population. James might think that his plan will bring happiness – what it will bring is a steamroller which will demoralize the people while at the same time being entirely unable to deliver what is promised (food, housing, health care, etc).

    • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 6:29 pm

      Mark

      modern liberalism is communism in a Halloween costume so they think you wont recognize it.

    • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 6:49 pm

      Mark

      what it will bring is a steamroller which will demoralize the people

      actually liberalism steamrolls,murders and enslaves people…….atheistic communism (liberalism) and the iron curtain, abortion, and the ongoing slaughter in our inner city’s (plantations).
      one can see this anywhere you look and this system is present around the world.
      death and destruction.

  6. Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) November 1, 2012 / 7:13 pm

    Vis-à-vis the Tenth Amendment; that “James” doesn’t believe in; are we to suppose that the Constitution is or isn’t a legal doctrine or is it elfin, mythological and subject to the whimsy of the intoxicated? How can one “[not] believe in” the foundational document of this nation? An absurd contention.

    Now, regarding the issue of States’ Rights; today as in the 18th Century there exists disparate purposes to the states. Large and sparsely populated agrarian states, densely populated industrial states, and combinations of ethnicity, purpose and revenue generation require that the designs of each state be protected from the tyranny of a national government. Should that national government represent the interests of one state over another by virtue of sheer numbers? Large and expanding populaces of single interest can, by majority rule dictate the obsolescence of another group; farmers and fishermen are fewer in numbers than retailers and service-desk employees but their vocation is no less important. When these are at cross odds representation must be by commonality of concern and overriding interests. Each group must have somewhat comparable representation or at least a possibility of compromise.

    Jefferson spoke of the tyranny of the majority in his inaugural address.

    We are not now, nor have we ever been under a national government. Just ask the folks at FEMA. We have a federalist government in conjunction with state governments and the federal is coequal in matters of liberty and foundational freedom, superior in areas of national interest and subservient in matters of personal responsibilities and duties.

    Restricting the livelihood of farmers because land is more valuable for condos that cantaloupe may be acceptable in New York or New Jersey but not Iowa or Nebraska. Dictating commerce across state lines by a government representing the majority places unfair trade restrictions on the producers and favors the consumers; a state with producers as its primary constituency is in a favorable position to protect that interest.

    If you want to see the tyranny of the Majority, look no further than California. Food basket to the nation yet thousands of acres of prime land lies fallow as the urbanites in San Francisco and Los Angeles protect a bait-fish over the needs of a nation. Counties in California would do a lot better if each had equal authority within the state; but California is run like “James” wants the federal government to run; whomsoever represents the largest population areas controls the nation.

    States act in their own interest which is the only reason we don’t have a completely intrusive federal government; if individual rights are to have any meaning, there must be an advocate capable of challenging the federal government with equal authority and equal interest. Without the states’ governments the federal government is no longer bound to protect individual rights. “James” home in Iran is a good example of the central government usurping authority from the government closest to the people in favor of perpetration of its own authority.

    The Bill of Rights (current Law whether or not you believe in it is the very guarantee to the states that the rights of their citizens will not be infringed, that the federal government “will not strip the rights of the people” (James Madison).

    And this is true and applicable to the Electoral College for the purpose of debate.

    • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 7:21 pm

      count

      Aaaaamen

      states rights?
      CCW a RIGHT in Fla,
      chi cago & NY? nah you get murdered.

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 7:35 pm

        Looters target Coney Island after Sandy sweeps through
        In broad daylight, thieves stole flat screens from Rent-A-Center. Others swiped top shelf booze from Joann’s Discount Wine and Liquors.
        Comments (239)
        By Matthew Lysiak AND Nancy Dillon / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
        Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 1:21 Pm

        Hurricane Sandy: Coney Island wreckage: Looting. A level one mobilization was called in Coney Island in regards to looting.
        Joe Marino for New York Daily News

        Cops responded to reports of looting on Coney Island Wednesday.

        A wave a looters followed the Sandy storm surge in Coney Island, creating a double-whammy for business owners trying to pick up the obliterated pieces.
        The thieves started down Mermaid Avenue Tuesday morning as the chest-high water receded, turning the seaside community known for its hotdogs and tourist attractions into a lawless free-for-all.

        LIVE BLOG: THE AFTERMATH OF HURRICANE SANDY

        SHOCK VIDEO: YESHIVA STUDENT ROBBED WHILE TRYING TO ESCAPE STORM

        “People were running in and out of Rent-A-Center carrying these big flat screens. They were holding on tight,” said witness Aisha John, 20. “I couldn’t understand how someone could steal a big TV in broad
        daylight, but no one cared.”

        She said people were running out of a nearby Rite Aid with bags of diapers and wipes.

        “Look, they’ve been looting our wallets for too long,” said a young male who claimed he helped himself to a TV at the Rent-A-Center.

        PHOTOS: SANDY’S TRAIL OF DESTRUCTION

        “It’s about time we start taking this sh—back,” the youth, who identified himself as Jesse James, told the Daily News.

        “It was complete lawlessness,” said Ron Troyano, owner of Joann’s Discount Wine and Liquors on Mermaid Ave.

        He said looters used tools to bust through his steel security gates around 11:30 a.m. Tuesday.

        The thieves then shattered his storefront and helped themselves to thousands of dollars worth of top shelf liquor, he said.

        “They pried open the gate, broke the glass and went straight for the Hennessy and Grey Goose,” he said.

        Police got a measure of control around 4 p.m. Tuesday, but two cops positioned outside Joann’s into the night failed to stop more looters from sneaking in through the roof, Troyano told The News.

        “They broke right in through the roof while the cops were standing outside. It’s unbelievable. They were passing bottles down to each other from the roof,” he said.

        Troyano said between the flooding and the plundering, his losses were too high to easily calculate. He said he’s not sure when he’ll reopen.

        Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/looters-target-coney-island-sandy-article-1.1195080#ixzz2B178mG2b

      • Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) November 1, 2012 / 7:36 pm

        Tru dat!

        Imagine a federal government siding with Tampa and St. Pete when there’s a lot more votes in NY, Chicago, Boston and LA.

        Sure, that’s possible.

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 7:46 pm

        count

        do da name tra von ring a familiar note…….. ( in my best sammy Davis voice)

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 8:06 pm

        a sock-puppet in black face?

        ooh that would be raaaaacist…….but funny as hell.

      • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 8:44 pm

        count, ama, spook

        u have mail…..

Comments are closed.