Sandy: A Big Government Failure

Manhattan is a rather low-lying island barely off the coast of the mainland of the United States.  A great deal of its travel is done by tunnel and subway – which is naturally on a lower level than the island, itself.  You’d think that someone would have looked in to the prospect of a storm surge causing flooding of the tunnels and subways and would have worked out a way to protect from flooding as well as a contingency plan for dealing with flooding.

So, what did I hear Mayor Bloomberg advise today?  That people might want to walk in to New York City because it might be quicker than any other means.

On the other hand, Bloomberg has diligently seen to it that sodas are properly regulated in the city of New York.

This is what Big Government ultimately is – micromanaging things which aren’t a government responsibility, at all, while the things governments are supposed to do wither away.

 

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40 thoughts on “Sandy: A Big Government Failure

  1. neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 6:19 pm

    there have been a thousand sandys, and a thousand more. One day the govt might get it right.
    But tell me WHY is sandy so much more important than the mega tornados and floods that ripped the mid west while al Ubama golfed and christie ate?

    OH wait….those people werent liberals, and it wasnt one week before an election…..sorry my bad!

    now lets back to calling the 9-11 terrorist attack on Bengazi college kids mad at U tube.

  2. Cluster November 1, 2012 / 6:42 pm

    Just think if we had taken that $800 billion stimulus money and used it to improve our antiquated electrical grid and infrastructure rather than pay off green energy cronies and unions.

    • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 6:52 pm

      FACT

      IIRC, Bush wanted to upgrade the N. E. Grid but Democrats protested that Bush/Cheney cronies benefit. Haliburton!!!!

    • 02casper November 1, 2012 / 9:37 pm

      cluster,
      Please provide some proof that $800 billion went to pay off green energy cronies and unions. Of course you can’t because it’s a lie.

      • tiredoflibbs November 1, 2012 / 9:57 pm

        “Please provide some proof that $800 billion went to pay off green energy cronies and unions. Of course you can’t because it’s a lie.”

        cappy, your continued willful ignorance is truly astounding.

        A SIMPLE search of “stimulus unions green” on your favorite search engine will reveal THOUSANDS of links to the proof for which you are asking.

        Of course, you have to think for yourself to find these links and be truly willing to find out the truth. Neither of which describes YOU!

        Here is one example of the proof for which you are asking:

        http://career-advice.monster.com/job-search/getting-started/stimulus-union-jobs/article.aspx

        Do you truly like being an ignorant drone?

        Pathetic.

      • 02casper November 1, 2012 / 10:13 pm

        tired,
        Did your search. Nothing there showing 800 BILLION going to unions and green energy. Repeating a lie doesn’t make it so.

      • Amazona November 2, 2012 / 12:48 am

        casper, not every penny went into the pockets of cronies. You may think you are darling by framing the debate as either “All $800 billion went to pay off cronies and unions” or “None of the $800 billion went to pay off cronies and unions” but this is just classic casper.

        The simple fact is, no one can account for most of the money. And much of it went to companies owned by Obama supporters, often in defiance of even the most basic common sense.

      • tiredoflibbs November 2, 2012 / 6:06 am

        cappy the drone: “Nothing there showing 800 BILLION going to unions and green energy.”

        wow, cappy, no surprise there. You continue to play your little games. You make a claim then when it is debunked you change your original claim. No one said the ENTIRE $800 billion went to unions and green jobs. That is not what I, cluster nor ROMNEY said.

        Remember, obAMATEUR ADMITTED that not all the $800 Billion went to jobs that were not as “shovel ready” as he “thought”. The FACT of the matter is that stimulus money (not all) went to unions, green energy, cronies (more to those who supported him in the election than those who did not) and wasteful projects.

        There have been several articles that the cost per job is in the millions. The program has been a wasteful failure. The program turned into a Democrat slush fund for spending.

        Again, you cherry-pick your words and remain willfully ignorant to keep yourself safe and secure in your own little world rather than face the truth. The FACT is you are intellectually dishonest and a coward.

        Pathetic.

  3. Count d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) November 1, 2012 / 7:28 pm

    Bigger, not Better.

    “The reasons for this are probably as much psychological as mathematical: When people are in a state of fear, they get in the habit of looking to big protectors. ”

    When federal money is available, whether from the Federal Emergency Management Agency or another source, only a foolish governor would ignore that cash. That is why New Jersey’s Chris Christie, a Republican, asked for help from the Army Corps of Engineers this week for beach restoration, and walked arm in arm with Obama.”

    a side note: I know Cluster has read Shlaes (The forgotten Man) as we’ve discussed it offline with our “group”. I recommend it for everyone. Can’t wait for Coolidge.

    • ricorun November 4, 2012 / 4:24 pm

      Bean Counter (via Bloomberg): “The reasons for this are probably as much psychological as mathematical: When people are in a state of fear, they get in the habit of looking to big protectors. ”

      Arguably so. But it’s unlikely you’ll eliminate psychology from the equation, that’s human nature. But if you want to eliminate government from the equation, where do you look? Arguably, the first look would be at the insurance companies. So what do you think their response would be if there was no FEMA — or any other governmental support? And of course, property insurance companies only compensate for damage incurred (eventually), they don’t compensate for the suffering incurred in the aftermath, they aren’t responsible for even trying to get things up and running in the aftermath, or any other possible negative externality associated with the event.

      Maybe you don’t care about ensuring a coordinated response following a major disaster. But it seems to me that if there wasn’t one, the entire economy of the regions affected would almost certainly be severely damaged, not to mention negatively impacting the suffering of the people affected. Those are additional negative externalities. Thus, eliminating a coordinated response doesn’t seem to be a very effective solution. So assuming you appreciate the need for a coordinated response, but one which does not involve governmental support on any level, what is your vision? And who is going to pay for it?

      • Amazona November 4, 2012 / 5:01 pm

        “Maybe you don’t care about ensuring a coordinated response following a major disaster.”

        Those voices in your head are doing you no favors, rico.

        Base your cockamamie ideas and ponderous pronouncements on them, if you must, but when you try to quote or refer to them, or respond to them, the nutso factor kicks in, big time.

        Nutso factor or pants-on-fire factor, either one. The point is, no one ever said that. Hinted at that. Implied that. Just those impish little voices whispering nonsense…….

  4. patriotdad1 November 1, 2012 / 8:33 pm

    Governor Christie! What a traitor! Cuddling up with the communist fascist atheist muslim POS!!

    • neocon01 November 1, 2012 / 8:43 pm

      🙂 🙂 🙂

    • tiredoflibbs November 1, 2012 / 9:57 pm

      Patriot, we already know you hate Christie, but that is over the top!

  5. dbschmidt November 1, 2012 / 9:36 pm

    I do not blame Christie doing for his State what he could and I believe there is no one that can make Obama look like a real man–let alone a President including Christie. Now we wait for FEMA (call xxx-xxx-xxxxx on your cell or go to the internet to get help). Brilliant.

    Katrina got a better response from FEMA (without the governors/mayors calling in) than Andrew did by over a full 24 hours after declaring an emergency before landfall. Quit the whining and handle it yourself. We did. BTW, the Mormon trucks with relief were in both New Orleans and Cutler Ridge (Fl) 2 days before FEMA. F’ing Mormons–they are sooooo evil. 😉

    • Amazona November 1, 2012 / 10:28 pm

      Actually, db, FEMA was in New Orleans a couple of days before the storm hit. Trucks, cots, blankets, food, medicine, water, diapers, baby formula, portable kitchens, the whole nine yards.

      They rolled in expecting to set up at the Super Dome and Nagin sent them off to some warehouse district, along with the Salvation Army, which was comparably equipped. He said he didn’t want the Super Dome to be a “magnet” for people but wanted them to get out of the city altogether.

      By the time the excrement hit the ventilator, there was no way to get the supplies across town to the Super Dome. The Salvation Army did not get trashed, because there was no political hay to make in savaging them, but FEMA was a prime target, particularly after Bush made his “Heck of a job, Brownie” comment—which was made after Bush read the report on FEMA being in place before the storm hit, not after it was isolated in some industrial park across town.

      FEMA got a lot of really unfair press and so did Bush and so did Brown, but it is all bogus

  6. dbschmidt November 1, 2012 / 9:50 pm

    Speaking of Big Government Failures… Come on down to Crazy Barry’s….

    • Retired Spook November 2, 2012 / 12:33 am

      DB, what a hoot!

    • neocon01 November 2, 2012 / 1:30 pm

      ROTFLMAO……..

  7. Amazona November 2, 2012 / 9:29 am

    OT, but since James ignored it where it was posted I’ll try again:

    “Pick a policy he has implemented that you don’t agree with, and I will defend it.”

    Fast and Furious
    NDAA
    Sending a message to Putin that he will be “more flexible” after the election
    Gloating over killing Bin Laden
    Treating terrorists like criminals
    Allowing states to waive work requirements for food stamps and welfare
    Suing states for trying to enforce federal laws
    Unilaterally overriding Congressional legislation regarding elements of our immigration law and refusing to allow enforcement of that law
    Giving, by presidential fiat, nearly unlimited power to the EPA, to identify anything as a “pollutant” and then act accordingly.
    Approving of campaign ads which are blatant lies, such as the one claiming that Romney supports a plan to force employer to DENY ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE FOR WOMEN

    True, some of these are policies, some are just actions, but they are all Obama, and James has declared that he can and will defend him.

    Somebody go get the popcorn.

    • Retired Spook November 2, 2012 / 9:38 am

      I’ll repeat mine as well, as it actually was a stated policy:

      “Under my policy of cap and trade, electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket”.

      • James0601 November 2, 2012 / 10:03 am

        quote the whole thing spook. your dishonesty is actually kind of funny.

      • Retired Spook November 2, 2012 / 12:26 pm

        quote the whole thing spook. your dishonesty is actually kind of funny.

        By all means, James. Here’s the entire clip Not sure exactly what you find dishonest about it. Obama’s entire energy policy, if one wants to be so generous as to call it that, is all about making renewable energy more competitive by making traditional forms of energy prohibitively expensive. I don’t see how you can defend that, but please have at it.

    • James0601 November 2, 2012 / 10:00 am

      here we go.

      Fast and Furious

      program started under Bush, not in the same way, but started under him nonetheless. Although tragic, I frankly don’t give a (expletive deleted) that two border patrol agents died with American guns, the greater program was to track criminals bringing guns to the US side of the border. The american people by all accounts don’t really care either since it hasn’t become an election issue.

      NDAA

      I am assuming you mean the national defense appropriations act? If so, what about it?

      Sending a message to Putin that he will be “more flexible” after the election

      Again, who cares? The President is exactly right, on a second term, and President has more flexibility to reach agreements and make policy decisions. What’s the big deal here? What law did he break? other than hurting your precious ego amazona, what specific law or etiquette did the President break?

      Gloating over killing Bin Laden

      I don’t think the President gloated…and even if you think he did, so what? did we not have a right to gloat? did we not have a right to celebrate? if this is all you have against the President…then you have nothing.

      Treating terrorists like criminals

      Aren’t they criminals? you can name them whatever you want, but Guantanamo is still open and we haven’t had a successful attack on US soil during this presidency.

      Allowing states to waive work requirements for food stamps and welfare

      ummm…aren’t you for granting more power and autonomy to the states? the President gives governors more power to determine work requirements so that they can tailor it to their particular state and populace, and you complain? Like I said earlier, you would complain no matter what this President did.

      Suing states for trying to enforce federal laws

      I agree with suing Arizona for trying to enforce federal laws on the border. That’s purely a FEDERAL issue. The constitution gives that power to the Feds. period. again, you claim to be a constitutional conservative, and then get upset when the President follows the constitution.

      Unilaterally overriding Congressional legislation regarding elements of our immigration law and refusing to allow enforcement of that law

      The president has the power to make executive orders. Period. just because you don’t like it, doesn’t make it wrong or illegal.

      Giving, by presidential fiat, nearly unlimited power to the EPA, to identify anything as a “pollutant” and then act accordingly.

      Again, you don’t like something and complain. I agree with the President, let’s let the agency in charge of the environment decide on what is bad for the environment and what shouldn’t be put into the environment. what a novel idea.

      Approving of campaign ads which are blatant lies, such as the one claiming that Romney supports a plan to force employer to DENY ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE FOR WOMEN

      again, you can’t stand the heat in the kitchen, get out. Lies like Romney’s claim on Jeep and Chrysler that the CEO of the company specifically denied and called romney a liar on?

      It’s about time we took off the kid gloves in dealing with the GOP.

      • neocon01 November 2, 2012 / 10:08 am

        jimmah/sasan

        It’s about time we took off the kid gloves in dealing with the GOP.

        yeah, roll out the union thugs, innercity thugs, OWS thugs, anarchists thugs, cpusa thugs, KKK thugs but this time give em AK’s ….that’ll show those small govt wantin,constitution lovin SOB’s.

      • Cluster November 2, 2012 / 10:20 am

        This is really all you need to know about James:

        I frankly don’t give a shit that two border patrol agents died with American guns

        It is sad commentary that people like James walk our country.

        It is sad commentary that people like James are so far detached from the spirit that made this country great, and harbor such a disdain for the Constitution.

        It is sad commentary that people like James want to lower our society to the lowest common denominator.

        It is sad commentary that people like James are incapable of comprehending the historical consequences of the path he chooses.

        There is no alternative but to eliminate this element from our society, as there is no possibility whatsoever to compromise with such an uneducated, selfish, narrow minded person. James represents the very worst of human beings.

      • James0601 November 2, 2012 / 10:36 am

        Enough is enough. You were tolerated when you pretended to be willing to discuss issues and policies but once you proved that all you want to do is insult other posters and repeat the same thing over and over there is no reason to leave your posts on the blog. //Moderator

      • Cluster November 2, 2012 / 10:40 am

        James, you really need to grow up. It shouldn’t be too hard for you to understand that you and I are diametrically opposed in our world views, and that I am passionate about maintaining the constitutional traditions of this country, while you advocate the destruction thereof.

        I will oppose you on every political front, and considering recent history, compromise is no longer an option. If you are objectionable to attacks, then you might to refrain from them yourself.

      • tiredoflibbs November 2, 2012 / 10:45 am

        Frankly people, I don’t know why you give this troll the satisfaction.

        He is a poor example of humanity.

      • Cluster November 2, 2012 / 12:00 pm

        Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats have already led the effort of no compromise when she and Harry Reid controlled both chambers of Congress from 2007-2010, most notably in 2009 when she refrained from receiving any input from Republicans on the health act and the supplemental spending bill. So the “no compromise” line has already been drawn on your side, and considering that the tea party swept conservatives into office in 2010, stemming from Pelosi’s failed leadership, I think we all know where Americans stand, and that stance will be heard even louder when Romney wins on Tuesday.

        Good luck.

      • Retired Spook November 2, 2012 / 12:47 pm

        I don’t see any of our other resident Liberals coming to your defense or agreeing with you, James. Me thinks you’re in a tiny, tiny minority in the views you’ve expressed here.

      • Amazona November 2, 2012 / 2:23 pm

        James, I see you have gotten yourself kicked off again—looks like you’ll be needing a new name.

        Most of your post speaks for itself, a hodgepodge of dismissing things because you simply don’t care.

        But your Big Lie must be addressed.

        President Bush implemented a gun tracking effort, in conjunction with the Mexican government. This involved a coordinated effort to follow guns sold in the United States, and included physical and electronic surveillance of gun buyers, active interaction with Mexican officials, efforts to interdict gun buyers at the border and implanting electronic tracking devices in the weapons.

        When the plan proved to be ineffective, it was halted. Stopped. Dismantled. It no longer existed.

        Therefore, the Obama plan was NOT “a program started under Bush”. It was a completely new and different program, with completely different goals and protocols.

        It could not have been designed to track guns into Mexico, because weapons buyers were not followed and there were no tracking devices in the weapons. The Mexican government was not informed of the plan.

        It was, quite simply, a way to flood the Mexican drug culture with vast amounts of high-powered weapons, including Barrett .50 cal. sniper rifles with scopes, with the goal of using the resulting carnage to restrict gun sales in the United States, based on the proof that guns bought here were being used to kill people in Mexico.

        It included blatant violation of American gun sales laws, under the direction of the Justice Department—another unilateral decision about which laws to enforce and which to ignore.

        “the greater program was to track criminals bringing guns to the US side of the border. ”

        This is Part 2 of the Big Lie, Part 1 being that F&F was just an extension of a plan of Bush’s. It was not to track criminals bring guns to the US side of the border. How ridiculous. It was not to track guns going either way. It could NOT track guns, going in either direction, as there was no surveillance of buyers and no tagging of the weapons.

        The only thing it could do was to track the serial numbers of guns left behind after murders, so the Obama administration could point to them and say “See? THIS is why we need to limit access to guns.”

        And BTW, in the course of this disaster, the administration picked sides in the Mexican drug wars. choosing to arm one cartel to enable it to prevail over the others. So the administration not only made the callous decision to sacrifice a few hundred or even thousand brown-skinned people to advance its political agenda (while courting Latino voters out the other side of its mouth) it also became a complicit partner in the Mexican drug wars.

        “The american (sic) people by all accounts don’t really care either since it hasn’t become an election issue. ”

        It has not become an election issue because the Complicit Agenda Media have been quite silent on the whole subject. The only “American people” who know much about it are those who listen to conservative talk radio or watch Fox News. The Complicit Agenda Media have been quite blatant in their efforts to keep incidents like this silent and hidden from the average American who gets his “news” from network sources and, of course, Jon Stewart.

        Interesting to see that you equate morality with a popularity contest. That is, right and wrong are not moral absolutes, but depend on how a certain number of people FEEL about the action.

      • Amazona November 2, 2012 / 2:53 pm

        Unilaterally overriding Congressional legislation regarding elements of our immigration law and refusing to allow enforcement of that law

        The president has the power to make executive orders. Period. just because you don’t like it, doesn’t make it wrong or illegal.

        Got this? James not only believes in a federal government unrestrained regarding size, scope and power, he believes in an Imperial Presidency in which the President can simply override a Constitutionally legislated law by simply issuing an executive order.

        Questions—–If the President can wipe out a law simply by issuing an executive order, can he MAKE a law by the same process?

        Doesn’t all this make Congress unnecessary? Is that the idea? To rest all power and authority in one person?

        Would this also apply to a Republican president?

    • tiredoflibbs November 2, 2012 / 10:43 am

      and “james” aka Tommy-boy, sASSan, etc. etc. proves once again he is intellectually dishonest and a coward.

      “…I frankly don’t give a shit that two border patrol agents died … ”

      … and a heartless SOB.

      Pathetic.

  8. neocon01 November 2, 2012 / 12:55 pm

    moreDumbo pain

    Bushhhhhh? again the LIE

    you mean blanco and the chocolate man from NO who both failed in their duty, Fema had to turn around arm themselves and pull a military incursion to “help” the looters and gangbangers and the “good” citizens?

    ask the people who are living in NYC eating out of dumpsters with no electricity while the city gears up for a (ca ching) marathon race…..good job Ochimpy!!

  9. neocon01 November 2, 2012 / 12:57 pm

    I think the voice of New Jersy Governor Christie is quite a bit louder

    I agree, FAT BOY is a LOUDMOUTH RINO!!

  10. tiredoflibbs November 2, 2012 / 1:49 pm

    The bubblehead computer…

    Everything may be fine in NJ but in New York the situation is worse than N.O. after Katrina. Dumpster diving at its finest!

    Thank you FEMA!

    • neocon01 November 2, 2012 / 3:53 pm

      Thank you FEMA!

      and bloooomberg…….citizens eating out of dumpsters in the dark, while the city uses untold resources for some Fn marathon……..for $$$$$$.
      and the Looters loot, and thieves steal while police direct traffic for runners.
      gotta love liberalism….

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