A few days ago, Leo wrote an excellent piece on the radical nature of Obama’s worldview and politics, which is, and has been ignored by too many people, chief among them, our supposedly objective media. In fact the liberal media has yet to do their job and vet Obama, ask the difficult questions, or even hold him accountable. Last week, David Gregory attacked Sen. McCain for having the gall to say that there are still unanswered questions surrounding the Benghazi attack. Think about that. A member of the media was actually defending the administration and questioning a Senator who was telling that reporter that there are unanswered questions surrounding the death of a US Ambassador. Shouldn’t the reporter be asking those questions? What has happened to our media? The deference the liberal media has given to Obama is borderline criminal in my opinion. What ever happened to “speaking truth to power”?
The liberal ideological brand of Barack Obama would have us believe that adding layers of government bureaucracies will reduce costs, that increasing someone’s taxes will enhance their chances for prosperity, that restricting personal choices increases ones liberties, that demonizing certain demographics actually unites us, and that apologizing for America’s arrogance strengthens our positions abroad. All of which defy common sense, all of which have failed and failed repeatedly and yet all of which go unreported by our liberal mainstream media. Sadly, the liberal media has abandoned their journalistic integrity in favor of supporting a President that shares their ideology and not enough people yet have discovered that truth.
Case in point is another current political issue that the media is letting the President off the hook on. The sequester. Here’s Obama just last November:
“Already some in Congress are trying to undo these automatic spending cuts. My message to them is simple: No, I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts to domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off ramps on this one”
Yet just two days ago, after his million dollar vacation in Florida, the President said that the sequester cuts would result in economic calamity and again laid the blame at the feet of the republicans. And not one reporter, not one, in the liberal media has had the presence of mind to report on the fact that Obama supported the cuts just a few months prior. For the most part, we no longer have an honest media and they are as much responsible for the decline of America as Barack Obama is.
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“Already some in Congress are trying to undo these automatic spending cuts.” only has the slight little issue in that these are not spending cuts as real folks would realize but rather “cuts” in the amount of the “increase in spending.” The actual cut is miniscle but how they are supposed to be done is straight across the board. Obviously, Napolitano is once again above the law with “Border Patrol Sequestration: Horizontal Cuts Not Horizontal: Napolitano Guts Border Patrol”
Several folks have done the math on this and it is equivelent to shaving a nickel off of the monthly household budget; nevertheless, all the while “The One” whould would not rest until every American was once again gainfully employed spent 8 hours on the golf course with an $1,000 / hr golf pro on the remaining taxpayer’s dimes.
His backdrop of teachers and first responders and all of their jobs plus 100,000 more could have easily been saved on the cost of his Hawaian vaction alone. Not to mention a million more things this, approaching W. Wilson, worst President ever has not accomplished. Then again we will never know because cases are being shut out of the SCOTUS with only 4 of the 9 justices being briefed. With consideration of this administration–wonder which 4? Report it to the DoJ — they are already in the pocket with the MSM.
cluster,
President Obama’s entire quote:
“Now, the question right now is whether we can reduce the deficit in a way that helps the economy grow, that operates with a scalpel, not with a hatchet, and if not, whether Congress is willing to stick to the painful deal that we made in August for the automatic cuts. Already, some in Congress are trying to undo these automatic spending cuts.
My message to them is simple: No. I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts to domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off ramps on this one.
We need to keep the pressure up to compromise — not turn off the pressure. The only way these spending cuts will not take place is if Congress gets back to work and agrees on a balanced plan to reduce the deficit by at least $1.2 trillion. That’s exactly what they need to do. That’s the job they promised to do. And they’ve still got a year to figure it out.
Although Congress has not come to an agreement yet, nothing prevents them from coming up with an agreement in the days ahead. They can still come together around a balanced plan. I believe Democrats are prepared to do so. My expectation is, is that there will be some Republicans who are still interested in preventing the automatic cuts from taking place. And, as I have from the beginning, I stand ready and willing to work with anybody that’s ready to engage in that effort to create a balanced plan for deficit reduction.”
Casper,
Do you really believe any of that crap? It is not a cut in spending (existent) but a cut in the amount we will increase spending. I thought all of you all were so overwhelming ecstatic with Clinton and his perceived “surpluses” — let us all start there then including spending.
Nevertheless, thanks for the “quote” and now, since you brought it forward in full–prove it in full. Just show me a deficit reduction that doesn’t cost us taxpayers $1.3 trillion in new cost. When I cut my budget everything goes down. I do not get to spend a trillion there and call it a savings when I cut $85 billion here.
Then explain why his own administration disregards his own rules for the imposed sequester. Well, no worries as Homeland Security has enough ammo for 24 consecutive years at war and the SCOTUS is ill informed on the basics of their cases.
Starting to wonder if most of your textbooks are somewhat “Duck, Duck, Goose, GooseStepper”
BTW, I would like to see a cut of over 50% starting with “entitlements” but I just added that to piss you off.
Casper, Do you really believe any of that crap?
Yes he does. Obama has been absolutely shameful on this issue. Standing at the podium claiming first responders and teachers will be cut and sent home. How about the Dept of Energy? How about if we send them home? How about all the assistants to the traveling secretaries? Or as DB mentioned, how about a few less vacations?
These cuts amount to approximately 2 cents out of every dollar of non defense spending. If we can’t afford to cut that, then we have more serious problems than we realize.
All casper cares about is what Obama SAYS. Does it match up in any way with what he does? Who cares? Let’s just keep quoting what he SAYS and settle for that.
And this lets cappy continue to be the blind mindless lemming he has chosen to be, ignoring Obama’s history as a Leftist radical, ignoring Obama’s own statements about the Leftist nature of his political beliefs, studiously slapping benign excuses onto Obama’s words and acts so he can claim they do not mean what they so obviously DO mean, and in general being one of the busy little worker drones patching up, covering up, denying or redefining everything necessary to shore up the Illusion Of Obama they need to keep holding up.
casper has chosen to be an active part of the mechanism that has allowed Obama to do the damage he has done and is doing. Oh, he is only a very tiny cog in a very huge system of interlocking gears, but he is out there doing his busy little best to support Dear Leader.
And worse, much much worse, he is busy indoctrinating innocent and unlearned minds in the toxic sludge that IS Leftism, trying his best to turn out more foot soldiers for the Cause.
“…if Congress gets back to work and agrees on a balanced plan to reduce the deficit by at least $1.2 trillion.”
and
“I stand ready and willing to work with anybody that’s ready to engage in that effort to create a balanced plan for deficit reduction.”
First of all, this pResident has already received his tax increases….
…. the other side of his “balanced approach” is spending cuts.
Republicans have offered several plans to reduce the deficit. obAMATEUR’s deficit commission has also stated the need for reduced deficits and that a plan of tax increases and spending cuts is needed.
“Congress has not come to an agreement…”
Well, he got is tax increases and this SCOAMF (Miserable Failure) is still preaching of a balanced approach, offering no plans (he has yet to produce a budget as required by LAW, since when has this man obeyed the law?) and attacking Republicans with the help of his fellow looters and Reid squashing anything that makes it to the Senate. The Republicans have offered several plans and this pResident continues to lie.
The two resident proggies cannot say anything. cappy just regurgitates his speeches as if they were gospel. balddoof whines about fear mongering when it comes to job cuts at the Pentagon. But neither one of these mindless drones speak out against the fear mongering pResident with his lies about meat not being inspected, teachers laid off, etc. etc.
I remember when this SCOAMF brayed on and on about deficit spending as being unpatriotic and irresponsible. But he, his minions, his drones and his idiot talking heads in the press are now silent when they were once unrelenting in their criticism for deficit spending that was a fraction of this spending now.
Pathetic.
One of my favorite conservative pundits, Mark Steyn, puts this issue into perspective:
“There are lots of things to get upset with the guy over,” Steyn said. “The issue here is the gulf between what the president preaches and how he lives. … One Christmas vacation costs more than flying the royal family around the world for a whole year. … He doesn’t live like [the] 1 percent, he lives like the 0.00000001 percent. He costs more money than every European royal family put together. There’s a disconnect here.” Steyn said the media are exacerbating that disconnect. “Essentially, Obama has achieved the same relationship with the press and the media and public information that the Soviet Communist Party had to jam radio transmissions and smash printing presses to achieve. Essentially these guys are volunteering to do for him what they had to be coerced into doing most self-respecting countries, and I think that’s the real issue here.”
Obama’s lavish lifestyle and the complicit lap dog media are becoming very hard to defend by liberals everywhere. Add in the economic misery of rising gas prices, rising grocery prices, decreasing pay checks, persistent high unemployment, low GDP growth, and an increasingly screwed up health care system, and you have what liberalism is all about. I wonder if this is what our “progressives” had in mind when they fainted over “The One”?
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/22/mark-steyn-rips-media-for-pass-on-obamas-imperial-lifestyle-playing-along-with-phony-crises/#ixzz2LdFuANRY
The destruction of America from with in. Communism has not gone away, it has gone underground, it is now the DNC. We are watching the systematic dismantling of our Military, infrastructure, schools, and society before our very eyes by a regime led by a true manchurian candidate.
If you read cloward & piven, alinsky, marx, mao and the communist manifesto we are in the final stages of the destruction of America and is right on plan.
The only thing between us and their plan is our Weapons. They are hell bent on getting those and once they do there will be a REVOLUTION, NOT a civil war and they will take full power…..
The Endgame for the Destruction of the United States
By Daren Jonescu
See also Part One: Total Destruction of the U.S.: An Interview with Larry Grathwohl and Part Two: American Education: Rotting the Country from the Inside
In Part 1 of this interview with former FBI operative Larry Grathwohl, we addressed the goals and methods of the Weatherman organization and debunked recent attempts to dismiss their words and activities as “youthful folly” or “typical of those days.” In Part 2, we discussed the continuity of purpose connecting the murderous radicalism of the Weather Underground leadership with the progressive education and social justice advocacy of the “mature,” “respectable” Ayers, Dohrn, Machtinger, Boudin, and others.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/the_endgame_for_the_destruction_of_the_united_states.html#ixzz2LdluP7g0
Victor Davis Hanson also had a great piece this week that dovetails with the subject of this thread.
Spook
Spot on!!
This is the best summary of recent (within the past five to ten years) events I have seen. Scary as hell, because every single word is true.
” For the most part, we no longer have an honest media.” – Cluster
The media was never honest and never will be because the media doesn’t get paid to tell the truth to viewers. The media gets paid by advertisers to push products. The only liability in not telling the truth is the danger some viewers will stop watching thus cutting into the outreach effort on behalf of advertisers.
It is the people watching the media that should be blamed for not wanting the truth. But the truth is boring. Who wants to know they’re going to die of diabetes from eating too much junk food or that they can have a stable home of their own if their willing to sacrifice for 10 years? Nobody. They’d prefer to think gun violence is going to be their end or that their going to win the lottery by bringing some junk to an antique dealer. So we get SWAT teams in small towns that are near bankruptcy, news of the South American blade runner who killed his girlfriend half a world away or the homeless man who hit the jackpot by returning a ring left in his cup. These impact my life in the most negligible way, but they are not meant to inform me about things that impact me. They are meant to entertain so I buy the Coors beer.
First, let’s stop misusing the term “media”
“Media” is a plural, which if stated ungrammatically would be “mediums”
It has become so common to use it as a singular (“media IS”) that most of us don’t have any idea what the word means.
OK. Newspapers are a medium. Magazines are a medium. Radio is a medium. Television is a medium. Any combination of any of these are media.
We can break it down a little further. In the medium of radio, we can have the entertainment medium and the political medium, or however we choose to define the different types of radio programming. Ditto for TV.
So this statement, made by a college teacher, is gibberish.
“The media was (sic) never honest and never will be because the media doesn’t (sic) get paid to tell the truth to viewers. The media gets (sic) paid by advertisers to push products. The only liability in not telling the truth is the danger some viewers will stop watching thus cutting into the outreach effort on behalf of advertisers. ”
The PRESS were always supposed to be objective purveyors of fact, not part of a story, not presenting a story so edited or spun or directed that only one interpretation of it would be likely. This was the basic definition of “journalism”. And the PRESS, as technology advanced, came to cover aspects of several media—newspapers, magazines posturing as sources of objective information and news, some radio, some TV.
When the Founders fought for a free PRESS they were fighting for the freedom of objective journalists to inform us of what was really going on, unhindered by political allegiance or pressure.
And even now, theoretically, the PRESS should be driven not by the potential of selling more advertising but by the old journalistic demand of frank, open, unedited, objective reporting of what IS, not what members of the Press want it to be. And certainly the PRESS has always been held to a standard of not advocating any outcome but merely of presenting fact, and digging out truth to inform the public.
Now we have Entertainment Media as well, and through the careful muddling of definitions and the application of the word “media” to pretty much everything, we have lumped in the entertainment medium of most TV, the entertainment medium of much radio, the entertainment media of magazines and books and comedy routines , into one huge, amorphous, unruly and undefined mass we just call “the media” and which we also think of as a singular entity rather than a conglomeration of widely diverse MEDIUMS—using that form for clarity.
And, even to make things more complicated, the boundaries between entertainment and news have become so blurred they hardly exist any more. So now most young people view the highly slanted, propagandic, entertainment media such as the Jon Stewart show as “news”. Now we have television shows presenting themselves as “news” shows but taking political sides, and doing so in subtle ways such as clever use of body language, facial expressions, tone of voice, and careful choice of words to convey approval of some people and positions and policies and disapproval of others, on political grounds.
What we do NOT have are any media dedicated to seeking out the truth and presenting it to the American public. When a cable television station, Fox News, tried to impress upon the nation the need for this, and used the phrase “Fair and Balanced” to describe their goal in presenting information to the public, the very CONCEPT was ridiculed.and every effort made by Fox to do what it said it wanted to do was denigrated, attacked, and its truth denied, not by attacking what was said but by demeaning and attacking those who said it.
So yes, dolf, some of the media are prompted by advertising sales. But the paragraph I quoted is so simple-minded and so inaccurate I am am, quite frankly, amazed than an educated person would write it.
I have no problem with entertainment media (mediums) being motivated by financial gain. They get to pursue their advertising dollars.
The problem is that we no longer have an objective PRESS inspired by and governed by traditional concepts of objective, honest, journalism, dedicated to digging out the truth no matter what it is, and informing the public of that truth.
The problem is that now we have media (mediums) which, under the guise of an objective PRESS are really complicit in feeding the public what it needs to believe to support the agendas of those in those media.
BTW, it is my opinion that if any medium were to engage in old-style journalism, it would immediately become the most popular of all the media choices. Fox, in spite of its being subjected to relentless attacks, is still by far the most popular cable TV station, and often has higher viewing numbers than some network shows.
I often wonder why no one buys one of the floundering alphabet network stations and makes it an example of old-style journalism. I think it would attract huge numbers of people no matter how they vote, and advertisers follow the numbers.
Americans are increasingly aware that we are being pissed on and told it is raining, but so far the only alternative we have is Fox, and it has been so demonized many don’t trust it. There are a few real journalists out there—Jake Tapper comes to mind—-who could form the core of a true news agency within a network, and I’d love to see that experiment enacted and see how it goes.
We have seen the popularity of talk radio, and it is my opinion that this success is because it is the closest we have to objective journalism. Sure, we have opinion radio, but we also have a lot of objective factual information that is not made public through other media (mediums).
” To treat them (media or data) as plural is precious and rather like waving a little flag inscribed, ‘Hey! I studied Latin.’ I’d suggest that when writing you give priority to expressing yourself clearly and not to sending irrelevant and distracting messages about yourself.” – wiki.answers
LOL someone years ago responded to Amazona’s harangue in a voice that sounds like it could be Amy herself. “precious” harhar
I was simply going along with Cluster’s usage in the original article i.e. “the liberal media has (sic)” , since of course I’ve had many years of Latin and other romance languages.
BTW I am not a teacher, I am a tenured full professor. I have a PhD from a Big 10 research university whereby I competed with the top math students from around the world. I wasn’t handed a business or given to compete with a bunch of nitwit biology/accounting majors.
The media, as businesses, have a duty to make a profit first and foremost. That’s always been and always will be the case. Your old timey notion that the media were unbiased back in the 1920’s when you were a teen is nostalgia. Nostalgia is of course a mild form of depression. I think you need to get outdoors and cheer up instead of answering a crank on the internet.
“We have seen the popularity of talk radio, and it is my opinion that this success is because it is the closest we have to objective journalism.” – Amy
Thanks for the daily chuckle.
baldork
Your old timey notion that the media were unbiased back in the 1920′s when you were a teen is nostalgia
Ooh man you are either a brave or stupid man saying that to a woman you KNOW is no where that old, ………a STRONG woman.
you best let Ama know you were being snarkey, less you be rounded up some day and led off to her barn…… who knows what may happen there, bur the term gelding comes to mind…. 😦
Neoconehead
Amy is a lover not a fighter. Also she’s more than a little snarkey herself, it’s her way of staying young and remembering all the fun she had as a flapper. She does hint at her age when she stresses that ‘medium’ is the singular in Latin.
“I’m not a teacher, I’m a full professor,”
Well, you’re full of something anyway, and good for you admitting that you can’t teach; recognizing your limitations will help you achieve some peace and acceptance of your constraints.
Congratulations on your tenure, now you’re up to 2/3 of my salary.
From an ROI standpoint; my undergraduate biology degree seems to be worth 10 times your PhD. Sound investment I’d say.
From an ROI standpoint; my undergraduate biology degree seems to be worth 10 times your PhD. Sound investment I’d say.
Badda Bing!!
Hell Neo, my 8 month culinary certificate netted me far more $$ than ‘dolf’s 12 year odyssey to PhD mediocrity. Where I work a PhD is as common as gum on a sidewalk, and just about as useful.
But, since ‘dolf is proud that he had to work harder than anyone else for such little payoff, I’ll just say I intentionally spent more time surfing and skiing than studying just it make it harder on myself.
Paid off though, I get raises every year whether I need more money or not.
@Count
“From an ROI standpoint; my undergraduate biology degree seems to be worth 10 times your PhD. Sound investment I’d say.”
From a worldly point of view you’d be correct. I value my time over more money=sour grapes. A modest house in Lazio for the summer in Italy is a poor ROI indeed for 10 years of university education. And yet, from the Koheleth or Ecclesiates
I denied myself nothing my eyes desired;
I refused my heart no pleasure.
My heart took delight in all my labor,
and this was the reward for all my toil.
Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done
and what I had toiled to achieve,
everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind;
nothing was gained under the sun.
I could have gone to Wall Street to be a quant like my academic brother, but resisted the call for religious reasons. Alas, I still have an unholy belief in classical education. I’m guessing the critical thinking skills you’re capable of conveying together with your vast sums didn’t quite get your kids into William F Buckley’s Alma mater. Harold Bloom is a strong influence indeed. Maybe, I’m hoping that my delayed ROI will pay off in the future.
dolf,
You seem to believe that carpe diem and inclitus factum are mutually exclusive. My pilaf recipe has garnered more personal satisfaction and acclaim than any self-sacrificial hair suit ever divined by the mind of man.
And, no UNAM didn’t offer her major. But, her business is thriving and she’s doing what she loves best; she’s an artist! Thanks for asking.
Never read Harold Bloom; I have more in common with Leo Bloom.
Count
FYI, Alma mater means the university one graduated from, not where one attended for a year. Your Google search actually named Buckley’s Alma mater but you scoured for another place he spent a year. Good for you.
Glad to know your offspring is an artist and not sponging off the real workers of the university, hidden among the bureaucracy. Given your lifelong concern with ROI, even taking part of the fun out of skiing by making it a career enhancer, the next generation should have a healthier approach to life. Hopefully she isn’t a drunk either.
I understand your affiliation with Leo Bloom. For you to be the hero of any story would necessitate it being a work of fiction. Of course you’re also probably lying when you say you’ve never read anything by Harold Bloom. He’s required reading in most reformed circles.
Alma Mater refers to a place where one studied; the nourishing mother.
My daughter expressed interest in UNAM and Chaminade, as well as UI-Chicago and Boston College. I made a list of notable students at each college before visiting each. Your name never came up.
Just wondering Dolf,
“…by Harold Bloom. He’s required reading in most reformed circles.”
‘Reformed circles’ as in “amended by removal of faults, abuses, etc.” or as in “improved in conduct, morals, etc.” Being a Lutheran, I find both offensive (I am sure you understand this being enlightened and all) but no matter. Why do you seem to think your enlightened (to use a more proper term) circles are better than others?
Doc, to use the term lightly, I was never required to read either of the Bloom ‘brothers’ and this is with two Alma Maters. But then again a PhD has to snipe with “Hopefully she isn’t a drunk either.” which is right up there with asking you if you have stopped beating your wife or dog. Simpleton. Is that what your Doctorate is in. Sounds like it.
Just in case you are interested (why I don’t know) I have two Bachelors of Science and a Masters (Engineer / IT) but it only applies to when I am looking to new work opportunities and not to my friends or those on blogs. I have been accepted to join two major Doctorate programs but I do not think the money cost would be well spent. Just my opinion.
Finally, advertisers follow viewership. Follow the money is an age old phase and works in multiple circumstances including this one. Follow the money. It follows viewership. Simple eh? Yes, profit is a motive as with all businesses but when viewership of Fox triples “tingle up my leg” Matthews–the sponsors will try to buy time with Fox because it has 3x the eyeballs–not because of your ‘reformed circles.’
“…who knows what may happen there, bur the term gelding comes to mind…. ”
I’ve often gotten the impression I would be late to that party……….
I am fascinated by dolf’s assertion that precision in speech is something only valued by the ancient, as well as the testosterone-free bitchiness with which he keeps larding his posts.
For one whose field is dependent upon precision, consistency and accuracy, he is remarkably flippant about the idea that the same concepts apply to other areas of study as well.
I suggest that the casual dismissal of the rules of language because he can’t be bothered to learn or apply them is indicative of sloppy thinking in general—a trait we have so often seen and noted in his posts.
It is one thing to misuse a term because of a poor educational system which does not teach it and a culture which has incorporated the incorrect usage so thoroughly that few have questioned it. It is quite another to work into such a snit at having it pointed out.
And for someone with “…. a PhD from a Big 10 research university…” who also allegedly “….had many years of Latin…” to actually have to cite a pop culture source such as wiki answers to sneer at a comment on the proper use of a term, and to then go on to claim that ” She does hint at her age when she stresses that ‘medium’ is the singular in Latin.” is just plain goofy—not to mention the inept and clumsy effort at pop psychology as well.
BTW, I never made a reference to Latin.
Were it anyone but dolf, I would fall back on the Western comment to “man up” and just admit he was wrong. But as it IS dolf, neither is likely.
Amy
Once again, you have no (sic) for clueless when he used media as singular. Rush used it in the singular as well. Also you offer so little that a wiki is more than enough testosterone for you.
@dbschmidt. I used the reformed term in response to the Count. In that context it would be a remark about Reform Judaism as the Count is Jewish. All my Jewish colleagues belong to the Reform movement and have read Bloom. This is just light hearted ribbing on a Friday afternoon.
As for the drunk comment, again a reference to the Count’s past joke. He said he is a drunk not an alcoholic because alcoholics go to meetings.
As a Lutheran you are obliged to put the best construction on everything. You don’t do that very well. I recommend a refresher course unless you are ELCA.
The media, as businesses, have a duty to make a profit first and foremost. That’s always been and always will be the case. – barstool
True, but not through the news division. I think it was Mike Wallace that famously railed against the corporate brass in regards to that issue some years back.
Walter Cronkite is a dyed in the wool lib, but he was for the most part very objective in his reporting up until he let his colors show during Vietnam. Objectivity is job #1 when engaging in journalism, or at least it should be, but sadly journalism is not practiced that way anymore. This new brand of journalism is a joke – people like Soledad O’Brien, Chris Matthews, Lawrence O’Donnell, Brian Williams, etc. are extremely poor excuses for their profession.
Clueless, so you think there is some part of a business who’s ultimate purpose is/should not be to increase profits while I believe every part of a business is designed ultimately to make more profits.
Mike Wallace was allowed to rail against the brass, it reinforces your fake ideal that the news is a service to people and not a service to advertisers. It is just too hard to think when you buy a newspaper that YOU are being sold to advertisers, that you are not the consumer but are in fact the product. Newspapers started closing down because advertising dollars went away to the internet, not because the quality of old time journalism used to be stellar.
News journalists like Cronkite are almost always pro-war, it’s good for ratings. Every liberal alphabet network had embedded journalists in the Iraq campaign after all. BTW, Cronkite ‘showed’ his colors because he thought he would be associated with a ‘losing’ cause, not out of some liberal idealism.
baldork
while I believe every part of a business is designed ultimately to make more profits.
I 100% agree with that, though Im not sure Cluster doesnt also.
Stool,
The news divisions of the conglomerate media groups use to be, and probably should be, held to a higher standard than the entertainment divisions. In my opinion, profit should never be a motive for reporting news, especially when reporting on power. When it does become a factor, you end up with salacious, TMZ style reports like we have now. Of course considering the ratings, I can’t think the outlets like MSNBC are making any money.
Ironically however, as Amazona pointed out, if the news WERE reported objectively, they would have huge ratings and profits would follow. Advertisers follow the people, and the electronic media started enjoying huge numbers of people compared with print, hence more advertising revenue, but it’s the content that keeps peoples attention, that’s why the WSJ is still going pretty strong. As it is, the most objective television outlet – Fox, does have the highest ratings, the most viewership and I am sure the most profits, but I do think they put more emphasis on objectivity than other outlets.
Neoconehead
” … but not through the news division ” -Clueless
Maybe I am wrong, but that phrase seems to imply that Fox e.g. should make money on sitcoms and sports but not on through news division.
When I watch Fox News there are always commercials, so I assume they are also geared toward making money from their news division. Right now a big story is Rush Limbaugh being ASHAMED of his country.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2181232422001/
NOTE that even a genius like Rush uses ‘media’ in the singular. “The media play (sic) along … ” That’s cause El Rushbo was born after the dust bowl.
Seems Rush is trending Libertarian!!!!!!!!!!!
Rand Paul 2016!
“The news divisions of the conglomerate media groups use to be, and probably should be, held to a higher standard than the entertainment divisions.” – Clueless
I agree 100%,in fact I wrote “It is the people watching the media that should be blamed for not wanting the truth.” It is the fault of the VIEWERS for not holding XYZ news corporation to higher standards.
Since we are being sold to advertisers in exchange for information, it is incumbent on us to make sure we get quality information in the exchange. Alas, most don’t want information, they are willing to be sold to advertisers even during the news hour in exchange for titillating, false and useless information.
baldork
“libertarians are P#$$*ES” …..Ann Coulter……MeYow
Fox has mostly opinionated commentary shows which are entertainment and not “news”. Shepherd Smith is really the only news part of Fox, and I think he does a good job of objectivity. Truth be known, I think Shep is a more liberal than conservative.
I agree 100%,in fact I wrote “It is the people watching the media that should be blamed for not wanting the truth.” It is the fault of the VIEWERS for not holding XYZ news corporation to higher standards
I disagree. It’s a conscious decision on behalf of the reporters and producers to be objective or not. Again, pure “news” should not be driven by viewership, ratings or profits. The entertainment side of the business can worry about that.
‘Again, pure “news” should not be driven by viewership, ratings or profits. The entertainment side of the business can worry about that.’- Clueless
Clueless if you are looking for a “news” service which isn’t profit oriented you should be watching PBS or asking for more regulations on certain types of businesses.
Another hint at reality, all those history books for sale to school districts or at Barnes and Noble are meant to be bought with money. They are written not with ‘truth’ in mind but for profits. Different “history” writers cater to different groups of people. Ann Coulter makes $$ by passing history through a kook filter to feed the Neoconeheads of the world an apocalypse where right wing America is the hero. Al Bore makes $$ by contorting reality to feed leftwingernuts an apocalypse where the heroes are academics and environmentalists and hippies. Both writers are just in it for the $$.
There will be no apocalypse because neither the Islamic brotherhood nor the military industrial complex not some other nefarious organization are in charge of the world.
Barstool,
You’re not separating commentary from News. Ann Coulter is commentary, and so are books. Hard news is simply an objective report of daily events which we still don’t get. And that is why I use the qualifier “should”. Just FYI. I guess that PhD isn’t working for you right now.
dolf says “…Maybe I am wrong, but ……” and immediately I know there is no reason to read on.
When a comment is begun by stating the obvious, the rest is immaterial.
I wonder which will suffer the most from Sequestration; cops, firefighters and teachers or sensitivity training for government employees. Any bets?
baldork
BTW I am not a teacher, I am a tenured full professor. I have a PhD from a Big 10 research university whereby I competed with the top math students from around the world.
very impressive resume. now if you could learn some real world practicabilities from us “yahoo” hands on people you very well could turn out OK.
(catspuke is beyond reach)
Au contraire mon frere,
My garden is ready for the spring thanks to advice from Amazona.(though I’ve been told to use steer manure instead of chicken due to the nitrogen content of the latter). I’ve given up alcohol for Lent because of GMB. I know more about my AC (swamp cooler) because of you. I spend more time paying attention to details when cooking because of the Count. I’m wary of business scams because of Cluster. I don’t worry about things beyond my control because of Spook. Of course Mark and the others on B4V are informative as well, but not as hands on practical.
I still don’t know how to graft plants, do anything beyond Jiffy Lube level stuff with my car or anything complex with electrical/plumbing around the house, but “yahoos’ have competences which they should be paid for as well.
but “yahoos’ have competences which they should be paid for as well.
service $75.00 PH residential, $108.00 PH commercial,
35-50% GM bid work.
Au contraire mon frere,
pe pe le pew…is dat U ??
You gave up alcohol because of me? I’m flattered, my friend, flattered, beyond belief.
🙂
GMB
Just for LENT! You and neoconehead still owe me much beer!
Willing to pay up. Anytime. If you are going to anywhere near the University of Illinois in the future, maybe we can arrange something. Maybe just maybe we can bribe Neo enough to make the trip also.
Üben Sie ihr Deutsch Herr Professor!
“…“yahoos’ have competences which they should be paid for as well.”
Wow, a bone tossed to the “yahoos” who, while being so far below the lofty heights of PhDs should still be compensated for their lowly skills.
The generosity of the great unibrowed Professor is truly inspiring.
Amy
You really need to get a sense of humor. Neo used the term yahoo in a way opposite to its typical way. He used it to describe people who are skilled. I respect his skills as well as yours. I am exactly not one who thinks that if Amy can do something that implies I could do it easily.
You know, like you could teach at a university. You are the one who believes that the average person is an unrefined buffoon.
“You are the one who believes that the average person is an unrefined buffoon.”
I will never understand the defensiveness that has a default response of lying to try to shift attention away from being caught out.
You know perfectly well I have never said such a thing, or hinted at it, or implied it. You simply invented this because you got your nose tweaked, the high and mighty PhD corrected by a rancher. Oh, the horror!
So you snap to your default response of making something up you think will make me look bad to offset the very real fact that I was right and you were wrong.
Twice.
And by the way just because I know how to use (sic) does not convey a responsibility to use it whenever it might be appropriate. It’s my decision.
i like Cluster. I respect Cluster. And more to the point, Cluster does not prance and preen around this blog crowing about his vast intellectual superiority, as you do, setting himself up for a tweaking every now and then. As you do.
well since the federal budget does not support cops, firefighters, or teachers, and the so called sensitivity training is “taught” by racist blacks, radical lesbians, and communists I would expect to see that program expanded…….say from kindergarten on?
Even with the sequestration, the federal government is going to spend $15 billion more next year than this year, so tell me again what’s going to be cut.
so tell me again what’s going to be cut.
EVERYTHING!!!!!!! Ayeeeeeeeeee (dean scream) THE SKY is FALLING (hair on fire)………we just need to collect MORE from the millionaires and billionaires (OPM) and every thing will be OK
HUH? the 80 TRILLION? did you see that bird?
OT… but FANTASTIC!!
put that in your tra von al and smoke it!!
Task Force recommends keeping ‘Stand Your Ground’ law
BayNews9 ^ | Friday, February 22, 2013 | Staff
The Task Force on Citizen Safety and Protection released its final report on the controversial “Stand Your Ground” law — and it recommends that it should not be overturned.
The Task Force delivered their final report Friday morning to the Office of the Florida Senate President, Office of the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives and the Executive Office of the Governor.
“The Task Force concurs with the core belief that all persons, regardless of citizenship status, have a right to feel safe and secure in our state. To that end, all persons who are conducting themselves in a lawful manner have a fundamental right to stand their ground and defend themselves from attack with proportionate force in every place they have a lawful right to be.”
“I want to commend the 19 members of the Citizen Safety Task Force and Lt. Governor Jennifer Carroll for their thorough and thoughtful consideration of Florida Statute 776
I, for one, would gladly pay for real information beyond the crap we get today. Everything the media (all forms) spews “information” in 30 second sound bites which appears to be the standard of retention of the average citizen these days. The only “print” media (in quotes because I get them on my iPad) is the WSJ & IBD–if one of the national news sources actually had news and not opinion / editorial except in the section so headed I would sign up in an instant.
Newspapers, once heralded as the fourth branch of government for the insight and objective reporting went to hell along with television news (guess the founding fathers could’t have predicted that either with the 1st amendment) about the time of that lying bastard Concrite who basically cost us the Vietnam conflict.
But then again, I guess there is no need any longer because we now have the “most transparent administration in history” or the most opaque dependent on the meaning of the definition of ‘is’ is.
I miss newspapers. One of my favorite things was to start the day with coffee and the Rocky Mountain News—back when it was still in business, and when it printed real news. There is something about the tactile experience of turning the pages, seeing the print on the pages, possibly even the subliminal effect of the smell of ink and paper, that combined to create a complete experience.
And at night, it was punctuation for the day to open a beer or mix a drink and go over the evening paper. Sunday papers had a whole different tone, with comics and magazines and extensive want ads.
Of course dolf has pointed out that “Nostalgia is of course a mild form of depression.” Wow—yet another unwelcome peek into a highly inventive and unique relationship with reality. (I wonder if he realizes just how much he tells us about himself with these little comments. For example, once we understand his explanation that the history books bought by schools are written only to appeal to certain preferences for what history SHOULD be instead of what it is… ” They are written not with ‘truth’ in mind but for profits. Different “history” writers cater to different groups of people.” we understand why he is so receptive to the casual treatment of historical fact as well as to the proper use of language. To some people there is no actual fact, just what they feel like at the moment.
And I do have to comment on his misuse of the term “sic”. It is used after quoting an error, to indicate that the person doing the quoting is aware of the fact that the use, spelling or whatever is wrong but is merely using the form used by the person being quoted. To put it after the correct use of a word is just plain silly.
Unless, of course, you either don’t realize the word was correctly used, or don’t know when to use (sic).
And I don’t remember advising the use of chicken manure, as I don’t have chickens and I believe I once discussed composting horse manure—experience which has stood me in good stead in dealing with so much of what I see here.
Ama,
Here I have to join you, like many others, in the passing of the tactile experience of a newspaper. Coffee in the morning during the week, and even a little longer on weekends with the expanded paper. Section A had all of the news and other sections spread out from there with things like Section B being local news, etc.. At the very back pages of section A was the editorial section where personal ideology and opinion resided rather than on the front page like today. I will get some gruff as I was never a “sports page” kind of person and was willing to pass it along on the train–I preferred the business news.
Bring back a real newspaper with in-depth stories and I will sign up today. That would require real reporters rather than ideological geniuses that try to run the Obama information train today.
This is a PERFECT example of our current “media”:
Chicago hasn’t had a Republican mayor in over 80 years. Democrats have controlled the Illinois governor’s mansion and both houses of the legislature for more than a decade, with Democrats ruling the Illinois House for 28 of the last 30 years. No matter, Chicago violence is the fault of Republicans. We learned that this morning on CNN Newsroom when anchor Carol Costello asked her “Talk Back” guests about Retired Lt. General Russel Honore’s suggestion to use National Guard troops to curb murders in Chicago. Democratic strategist Robert Zimmerman astutely pinpointed the reason for Chicago’s carnage. And let’s be very clear about what’s happening in Washington today and why it’s undermining the city of Chicago, because there’s a mindset now in our government, in Washington, from the Republican members of Congress, that sequestration is an acceptable way of doing business, that we can in fact engage in these massive irresponsible cuts that no one thinks is a logical approach to budgeting. And that undermines law enforcement in our cities; it undermines so many education opportunities for our younger people and it does in fact — in fact create an impoverished class of our society that leads to abuse, leads to violence and leads to more Chicagos.
There you have it. News for the low information voter.
obAMATEUR was for the sequester before he was against it!!
It seems that obAMATEUR (and his proggy minions) is trying to blame the Republicans for the sequester. He is trying to get all the political mileage he can for those automatic spending cuts by scaring the ill-informed and the ignorant.
But, the sequester WAS A BRAINCHILD OF THE WHITE HOUSE!!!
It appears that obAMATEUR fibbed, I am going to say it HE LIED about the origins of the sequester now and during the campaign.
Finally, Woddward is paying attention – notice that when Woodward is chasing down Republicans, he is the bearer of the Holy Grail, but when he is chasing down Democrats, those same people that praised him earlier are now trying to ignore him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester-deal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_print.html
baldork
Just for LENT! You and neoconehead still owe me much beer!
ask mark or matt for my E mail add……Ill send you a 6 pack… 🙂