Sunday Open Thread

I am looking forward to the Fall and the 2016 Campaign battle, and trust me, it will be a battle. The fascist Progressives who currently control the Democrat Party will lie, cheat, steal and personally attack anyone who threatens their hold on power and conservatives had better be prepared to be just as vicious. To hell with political correctness. Conservatives need to understand that we are not dealing with honorable people. This from the American Thinker:

We’re not fighting with honorable men but with people who believe they are better than the rest of us. We are in an ideological conflict with liberals who are at heart monarchists or oligarchists. Liberals reject the rule of law because they believe that they are right and that we should all be forced to live as liberals wish us to live.

Take for example Kim Davis in KY. Here is a city official who refused to uphold a federal law because it violated her conscience and as a result, a gay couple was unable to obtain a marriage license. However in SF, city officials refused to uphold federal law that violated their “collective” conscience, and as a result a young innocent woman was murdered. Guess which occurrence received the most outrage and media attention? I am one conservative who does support gay marriage but wish that the issue would have evolved through the political process and not through a tyrannical edict from Supreme beings. That is what fascism is, and that is who Democrats have become. Democrats are incapable of living in a messy democracy where people are free to be offended and held accountable for their actions, preferring instead to create “safety zones” and “welfare cocoons”. Democrats attack conservatives much more viciously than they attack ISIS, or Putin, or China and because of that, Democrats pose a much bigger threat to our country than any current outside threat. It is time to blow up the political class on both sides of the aisle, hold people accountable, call out the liars, call out the grifters, and tell people like Jorge Ramos to shut up and sit down.

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13 thoughts on “Sunday Open Thread

  1. Cluster September 6, 2015 / 9:43 am

    This just in:

    ……major power player conservatives, have behind the scenes promised they will not support Boehner’s re-election as Speaker. If every member of the House is present and votes, then the benchmark for Boehner to lose re-election is that 29 Republicans must vote to get rid of him

    Get rid of Boehner. He is worthless.

    • M. Noonan September 6, 2015 / 10:49 am

      I stuck with Boehner as long as I could – but he’s clearly never going to actually fight for conservative ideals. I don’t know whether its because he’s weak or compromised, but it doesn’t really matter, now does it? He has to go.

  2. dbschmidt September 6, 2015 / 5:00 pm

    All of them have to go — no matter which side of the they represent. It has come time for the “Citizen–Legislator” to once again recover this misguided country back to the ways of prosperity. The deal with IRAN stinks of treaty but the Crorker bill flips it on it’s head. Everything passed by the “Supreme Court” is crap. Will not matter much as we will enter the 3rd WW or apocalypses as several have mentioned.

  3. Amazona September 6, 2015 / 11:11 pm

    I think Mark and I illustrate a principle that seems alien to people on the Left—that is, we share many of the same goals, but differ on how best to achieve them.

    We both want homosexual couples to have the same rights, responsibilities and restrictions as heterosexual couples, but our ideas on how to achieve this are different. I think a separate classification for same-sex couples should be created, acknowledging the differences between them and traditional man-woman marriage, to respect the tradition and historical meaning of the word “marriage” while giving equal treatment to couples who don’t fall within the traditional definitions. Mark thinks the word should be expanded to include gay couples. The thing is, we don’t fall back on finger pointing and shrill accusations of “You just don’t CARE if….!!”

    Ditto for path to citizenship—we both want to treat people fairly and have a stable population, but we don’t agree on the best way to do that. Again, we both understand that it is not the goal that is the issue but the best way to achieve it.

    This is what happens when people argue and defend ideas.

    What we run into when we try to discuss things with people on the Left is that the first thing we realize is that they just don’t think we want the same outcome if we disagree on the means to achieve it. So if we think poverty should be addressed by increasing educational opportunities and having an economy so robust that people can find work, and the Left thinks we should just take away what some people have and give it to others, the belief on the Left is that we ‘JUST DON’T CARE” if people are poor.

    It’s a chasm that can’t be bridged, because it gives those who have this kind of belief system about those who disagree with them the bonus of providing a shortcut to the Higher Moral Ground—they are relieved of the burden of having to analyze different ways to achieve their goal, because they have come out against poverty and therefore anyone with different ideas is indifferent to poverty and therefore morally inferior. And that’s all that matters.

    • Cluster September 7, 2015 / 8:24 am

      That was the point of the American Thinker article – liberals are not honorable and simply want everyone to live as they believe we should live with no arguments.

      I thought Madonna’s brother, who happens to be gay summed it up very nicely:

      If I’m not mistaken, it’s in the constitution…..something about religious freedom or something……selective shaming and bullying corrupts a democracy….freedom of press, speech and religion give it strength. Not to mention reason and the god given compassion we as humans have a right and responsibility to practice….Once again, the gay community feels the need to be sore winners. Is it so difficult to allow this women her religion? Or must we destroy her in order for her to betray her faith. No matter how we judge, it’s truth. The rights we have all fought for, mean nothing, if we deny her hers.

      • M. Noonan September 7, 2015 / 10:40 am

        Some people do get it – that if any person can be bullied into silence, then every person can be. The Left’s real nightmare is if we ever elect a genuine GOP version of Obama…someone who will just do what he wants and defy anyone to stop him…and no one will be able to, because it is almost impossible to get 67 votes in the Senate to convict a President in an impeachment trial.

        Imagine a GOP Obama simply telling States they don’t have to enforce Roe…telling the IRS to not punish anyone for paying no more than 15% of their income in taxes…telling the EPA to just ignore various provisions of the Clean Water Act…it can be done; all it takes is a President, like Obama, who doesn’t care what the law says…

      • Retired Spook September 7, 2015 / 11:21 am

        Truth be told, I doubt that many anti-religious people have thought through what life would be like in a world where there is no religious liberty. Without the freedom to believe as you choose and follow your conscience, there really is no freedom at all.

      • Cluster September 7, 2015 / 11:54 am

        Here’s another excellent summary of the current Democratic Party. I nearly threw up yesterday when I heard a liberal pundit touting Hillary’s great concern for women’s rights throughout her career. I wonder if Jennifer Flowers ever benefited from Hillary’s great work? And equally nauseating was another liberal pundit extolling the virtue of Biden’s career and his “never ending” advocacy for the middle class. Over 35 years in politics for Biden and the middle class has shrunk. Maybe he should stop being an advocate. Democrats are good at rhetoric and optics but fail miserably with results.

        Democrats like Ms. Clinton don’t care one whit for “black lives:” she proudly defends the Nazi-style barbarity of Planned Parenthood and admires its founder, the outspoken racist and eugenicist Margaret Sanger; named for the award she received from that organization in 2009. She spews divisive hate speech, intentionally whips up a storm of frenzied emotions (and the underlying Democratic political machinations and manipulations of pitting one minority group against another á la the Obama Administration’s modus operandi over the last 6.5 years). Therefore, the truth of the actual cause of the majority of gun-related homicides in the black community (and the deplorable state of the black community in general) are almost wholly obscured. Specifically, this dynamic accounts for the 2013 FBI crime statistics which indicate that black-on-black murder accounts for 90% of murders in the Afro-American community to which its members and leaders turn a blind eye.

        Democrats play the whack-a-mole “blame” game which always points away from the fundamental aspect of any real leader: accountability. They race-bait and foster chaos precisely because it divides the electorate against itself in order to achieve and maintain their real goal: personal and perpetual political power. Unfortunately, Democrats are unchecked by the modern press that ignores the glaring loopholes and unintended real life consequences of their anti-gun policies: with white hat elements in our society restricted by cumbersome legal gun procurement procedures (which do not curtail criminals’ access to illegally obtained firearms) a power-imbalance favoring the wrong hands exists. Therefore, it is not the law-abiding, but his opposite that is emboldened to act out surrounded by a disarmed populace: wolves among sheep. Likewise, Democrats do further societal damage due to their blatant disregard for the Constitution, intrinsic disdain for the military and law enforcement, and the distracting deluge of MSM-transmitted lies, big and small in our endless 24 hour news cycle.

      • Cluster September 7, 2015 / 12:09 pm

        And here is the aforementioned Mr. Biden:

        Vice President Joe Biden warned on Monday that “something is wrong” with the American economy as he launched a Labor Day march here with speculation swirling that he may run for President. In a highly populist speech that could foreshadow the themes he would highlight on the campaign trail, Biden said workers have been “clobbered” in the modern economy.

        Workers have been clobbered?? I am pretty sure that Obama and Biden have been “laser focused” on jobs over the last 6 years, right? I mean that’s what they told us, so why should any one believe that he’s the right person to repair the “modern economy”?

      • M. Noonan September 8, 2015 / 12:18 am

        Most Progressives simply know nothing of history – from my interactions with them over the years, I get the distinct impression that their view of history goes like this:

        Ancient times of peace and freedom followed by Christian Dark Ages where scientists and witches were burned at the stake followed by anti-Christians who brought us freedom and science. This all stems, I believe, from the misbegotten (and entirely mis-labeled) “Enlightenment”…where a bunch of half-educated people dressed up their personal desires as “liberty” and “free thought”, providing a justification for all manner of selfish and cruel behavior (all in the name of the Greater Good, of course). Intellectually, these people cut their own throat a long time ago – having to reject Christian dogma, they eventually had to reject free will, and thus got themselves into a position where they say things like, “nothing is absolutely true or false”; and other such nonsense statements. Ultimately, they had to reject Reason, itself. It was just a skip from there to Marx and all the idiocies which have developed from that.

      • Amazona September 7, 2015 / 11:30 am

        One of the problems with the Unthinking is that they always seem to believe that no matter what happens, it will happen to Someone Else.

        Martin Niemöller was a Protestant pastor who then spoke out against Hitler and spent years in concentration camps. He is the source of this quotation:

        First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Socialist.

        Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

        Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Jew.

        Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

      • Amazona September 8, 2015 / 8:27 am

        Most Progressives simply know nothing of history

        A perfect example is our celebration of Bastille Day–the triumph of the mob and its resulting carnage that had absolutely nothing to do with freedom and liberty and everything to do with class warfare.

  4. Cluster September 8, 2015 / 5:59 pm

    On the other thread it was mentioned that liberals are ignorant of history, to which my reply is they just make it up as they go along. Much like they do everything else. Remember these are not honorable people. I just noticed this comment from Eugene Robinson:

    It is useful to recall that George W. Bush practically had one foot out the door when the financial system threatened to collapse in 2008. It was Bush and his advisers who put together a massive $700 billion bank bailout and managed to sell it to Congress. Bush signed the rescue bill into law on Oct. 3 — barely a month before his successor would be chosen. The banks were saved, but nothing could stop the economy from falling into its worst slump since the Great Depression. I believe historians will conclude that one of Obama’s greatest accomplishments was bringing the economy back to real growth and something close to full employment — more slowly than Americans may have wished, perhaps, but steadily.

    Could this be any more detached from reality? In re: to TARP. That bill was written by the then Pelosi controlled House, where all spending bills originate, quickly approved by Harry Reid’s Senate and sent to Bush for his signature which of course he did based on the “crisis” we were facing. So no, Bush did not have to sell it to Congress.

    Secondly, do you really think Robinson believes we are at full employment? Does he realize that a record number of Americans are not in the labor force?

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