The After Thanksgiving Open Thread

I thought we would pick up where we left off on the Thanksgiving thread. There is certainly a lot to talk about, including this recent NYT article on Climate Change which I thought was irresponsible. Talk about fear based politics and not one mention of data manipulation or previous predictions which have been way off the mark. Then of course there is this article on the Maunder Minimum which in my opinion merits attention.

And finally, on an issue all of us have discussed at length and what Democrats are fond of calling the “Great Recession”, here is a well sourced article that connects the dots better than we ever did and it reveals a lot.

12 thoughts on “The After Thanksgiving Open Thread

  1. Bob Eisenhower November 30, 2015 / 3:57 pm

    OK, I’ll start off. Geez, that Stuart, what a freak!

    Oh, that’s not what you had in mind?

    Where things last stood, Tired of Libbs backed the anti-AGW stance with info that may or may move the ball, as well as asking Stuart’s opinion of whether government funding of AGW research biases the research.

    Amazona and I stated aversion to looking at the bad in the past as serving no purpose and we all agreed Peter Dinklage overcame a mighty steep hill.

    Lastly, Amazona gently (well, gently compared to most of Amazona’s methods) requested not using strawman arguments or points that have been prior debunked.

    Canadian Observer echoed my “Stuart is good” stance regarding his input, and our hope it remains positive and patient (in light of being the minority at a right-leaning site)

    • Cluster November 30, 2015 / 5:10 pm

      Stuart was civil and seems genuine but he never did answer my question on the influence of government funding on climate research, and he used typical left wing tactics, ie; if you don’t buy into global warming you must think that Stephen Hawking is stupid. That argument just doesn’t get anywhere here.

      • Bob Eisenhower November 30, 2015 / 5:56 pm

        Hopefully he’ll chime in some more. And what about that Canadian Observer dude? He sounded like a regular but I haven’t seen him in the six months I’ve been here. Hopefully he posts, too.

        More voices! I always want more voices.

      • M. Noonan December 1, 2015 / 12:07 am

        I’m always wary of leftwing voices these days – you can just never tell. I used to have a fairly large selection of liberals I’d debate here and on social media. Down to one – he is as liberal as the day is long, even lives in San Francisco…but he’s the only one that hasn’t at one point just gone nuts and got insulting and/or threatening. I think this is because he’s broadly pro-life…having any non-liberal views tends to free a person from the ability to close the mind entirely and thus become, eventually, rude at the very least.

      • Retired Spook November 30, 2015 / 6:53 pm

        Actually, Bob, I’m pretty sure Canadian Observer is a woman. She used to be somewhat of a regular here. Personally, you can have her if she decides to return.

        I kept up with the threads while we were visiting our daughter in Kansas, but, as I said at the beginning of the previous thread, typing one-fingered on a tablet is not conducive to long, thoughtful responses. Stuart, while civil, sounded like any one of a hundred Libs I’ve seen come and go here over the last 12 years, and much of what he brought up seemed so 2007. I long ago lost any interest in debating people like him. Even on the rare occasion when they make sense, they almost always seem to manage to poke a sharp stick in your eye. Life’s too short!

      • M. Noonan December 1, 2015 / 12:13 am

        I’ve been following Milo Yiannopoulos on Twitter for a while, now (@Nero, if you want to have a look). He’s fabulously gay (his description); he paints himself as a conservative and, indeed, he does have some conservative views but really he’s just rational man – and a man, in total. In fact, he’s one of the few “real men” that you can find out there these days (Robert Stacy McCain is another one – not gay; @rsmccain). Its the fact that he’s a man and acts like one, I think, which drives liberals nuts. Some of Milo’s comments on feminism are just hilarious – and its not like he gets a pass because he’s gay; I think that it infuriates them even more. But he doesn’t back down – so many do these days. Because liberals are just plain mean these days – and most just don’t want to deal with it. Life is, indeed, too short to mix it up with people who for no reason whatsoever will just go off and be cruel (and, yes, I’ve seen some on the right do it, as well – and I block them just as fast as I block any other mean people on social media). But we do have to do it, some times. I just prefer not to do it on the internet any longer – I’m going to do it in books.

      • Retired Spook December 1, 2015 / 1:11 am

        One of the things I keep coming back to is that I’m still waiting for a Progressive to explain how liberal social, economic and diplomatic/foreign policies will lead to a safer, more free and more prosperous world. What would logically follow, then, is some illustrations of past liberal successes along those lines. Perhaps Stuart could take a stab at it.

      • tiredoflibbs December 1, 2015 / 1:35 pm

        “One of the things I keep coming back to is that I’m still waiting for a Progressive to explain how liberal social, economic and diplomatic/foreign policies will lead to a safer, more free and more prosperous world.”

        Easy, they believe this is true because the dialectic says it will lead to a more prosperous and safer world.

        “What would logically follow, then, is some illustrations of past liberal successes along those lines. Perhaps Stuart could take a stab at it.”

        They have “succeeded” because the dialectic says it must.

  2. Cluster December 1, 2015 / 8:08 am

    Mark, I think you’re being too nice and what you’re really saying is that progressives are just plain dicks, and I agree. Even the President. He is a complete asshole. He mocks his political opposition at every opportunity, warranted or not. His latest dickish move was to accuse his opponents of being afraid of 3 year old orphans, which his minions in the media found to be oh so funny. Well I haven’t seen too many 3 year old orphans in the file footage of refugees, and in fact just found this story this morning:

    ( – Since the Paris terror attacks on November 13, the State Department has admitted 132 Syrian refugees into the United States, and all 132 are Sunni Muslims………The majority of the 132 Syrian refugees permitted to resettle in the U.S. since November 13 (72) are male, the minority female (60). Of the 132 total, 39 (29.5 percent) have been men between the ages of 14 and 50. Another 53 (40 percent) are children aged under 14, of whom 30 are males and 23 females.

    Shouldn’t the Sunni men ages 14 to 50 stay behind and fight for their country, rather than bring their third world mentality here?

  3. Cluster December 1, 2015 / 9:39 am

    Little children have imaginary friends. Modern liberalism has imaginary enemies.

    This article pretty much nails it.

    The sophomoric thinking of progressives, and the POTUS, is mind numbing. Stuart exemplified this the other day by throwing out irrelevant, childish arguments. And this is why in my opinion, anyone that helped elect Obama and still supports Obama should really just sit this next election out, and sit down and shut up.

  4. Retired Spook December 1, 2015 / 9:49 am

    I’d like to remind everyone to get your affairs in order as we have less than two months left according to Al Gore’s famous January, 2006 prediction that if we don’t reverse the effects of global warming the damaged would be irreversible.

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve found myself a cave, and I’m not coming out until it’s over.

    • Cluster December 1, 2015 / 4:33 pm

      I think it’s time for some serious action. Maybe another hashtag campaign. #saveusfromprogressives

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