Election Day Open Thread

First off, let me just say that if the Experts prove wrong today, I fully expect them to apologize and promise to show some humility in the future.

Ok, stop laughing.

Still don’t know who is going to win – the aforementioned Experts are all for Hillary winning…but I note, with great care, that some of them started to furiously hedge right around Friday afternoon…”if this happens, if that happens, if the polling is correct”…in other words, doing a bit of CYA. But my guess is that they are still sticking with their Hillary projections mostly because there’s less downside for getting that wrong than picking Trump and getting it wrong – do that, and the pundit will never hear the end of it.

The DNC/MSM machine was in full “depress the GOP” mode all day on Monday: and with Hillary and Obama making a stop in Michigan – which hasn’t gone GOP since 1988 – it is just a fact that this election hasn’t gone as anyone expected. The Experts are already wrong – and will remain wrong, even if Hillary does win today. If you want to present yourself as an election expert to me, then pick a day, make your prediction and hold to it right up until election day. Things really don’t change that much – polls showing massive swings in a week are, in my view, garbage…people don’t change their minds that fast, or in that large a number. What is going to happen today, in my view, has been rather baked-in for a couple months…

I have to say that I am not in the least depressed – a little anxious, as I think most are, because we really don’t know what will happen. As the co-author of The Worst President in History, I am also quite confident that whatever the result, we are getting the better part of the deal. Obama really has done a terrible job – I don’t think Hillary will be so much of an improvement as that she’s just incapable of the single-minded, purposeful screw-ups of Obama (Obama is able to do that because he really believes he’s doing the right thing – I don’t think Hillary really believes in much of anything other than just grasping power and wealth). Whatever betide, Obama leaves office in a little more than two months.

I have noticed over the past couple days some long hold-out Conservatives coming around to saying they are voting for Trump – also noticed that the few remaining Never Trumpers are now ever more openly rooting for Hillary. I suspect a good portion of them, if Trump does win, will eventually move over to the Democrat Party over the next year or two and reveal themselves as mere Progressives who like low corporate taxes and bombing stuff. If Hillary wins, they’ll try to lay claim to the mantle of being the only True Conservatives…and most of us will just laugh at them and Move On.

American politics has been shaken to the core this year and there’s no going back – the current crop of leaders might well cling on to power for four or eight more years, but they are done for. No one trusts them, no one likes them. And the MSM is doomed as soon as some rich people figure out there’s this massive market for anything which isn’t the current MSM. There have been rumors of Trump TV, and I actually hope they are true – in the sense that someone simply has to make a duplicate MSM which isn’t this nauseating stew of political correctness and blind, Democrat partisanship. Such a series of networks, magazines and newspapers would make their owners billions.

However it comes out, this is still my wonderful and beloved United States of America. And all of my fellow Americans, of whatever views, are my brothers and sisters and I, at least, pledge to try and be a good, decent citizen, no matter who is in charge.

UPDATE: Ace of Spades Decision Desk called it for Trump.

UPDATE II: Associated Press calls Pennsylvania for Trump.

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36 thoughts on “Election Day Open Thread

  1. neocon01 November 8, 2016 / 7:46 am

    Pray for a stake finally to be driven through the monster’s heart, the clinton crime family.
    Pray the leftist demons dont steal America from the people.

  2. Retired Spook November 8, 2016 / 8:35 am

    Well, moment of truth. My gut tells me Hillary will win, simply because the Democrats will do whatever it takes to win. Just as long as they realize that there are millions of us who will do whatever it takes to preserve freedom.

  3. Cluster November 8, 2016 / 9:13 am

    I think it is amazing and honestly a little offensive how the agenda media just assumes that a large Hispanic turnout is good news for Hillary. Historically, yes Hispanics vote Democrat more often than not, but are they not capable of changing their minds? Are they just another monolithic group in the eyes of the media? Now that being said, let’s take a minute think about the decisions Hispanics make. They are after all responsible for Mexico, Venezuela, Nicaragua, El Salvador, etc., so do we really want them deciding the future of America?

    However it comes out, this is still my wonderful and beloved United States of America. And all of my fellow Americans, of whatever views, are my brothers and sisters and I, at least, pledge to try and be a good, decent citizen, no matter who is in charge.

    And this is where we are different. I will never blindly follow a group of lemmings and if this country departs too much from it’s original charter, I am ready to take up arms.

    • Retired Spook November 8, 2016 / 9:51 am

      I am ready to take up arms

      You’d better buy them quickly while they’re still available and affordable.

      • Mark Moser November 9, 2016 / 1:03 am

        There will be plenty lying on the ground… and they will be your brothers’ no matter which side they fell for.

      • Amazona November 9, 2016 / 2:53 am

        Mark, your punctuation and context have me confused. Your apostrophe after the word “brothers” indicates ownership by more than one brother. Of arms?

        Or is just another Rogue Apostrophe and you mean that even the losers are our brothers?

        Not quite sure what it means if that is your intent. Are they still citizens, just like us? Yes, they are. Did they try to put a criminal in the White House, who has a well documented history of recklessness in office and failure to safeguard our national security? Yes, they did. Should we respect and/or trust people who do such things? I’d say that has to be decided on a one-by-one basis, because as group they don’t demand my respect.

    • Amazona November 8, 2016 / 9:59 am

      Being a good citizen does not mean aiding and abetting the decline of the nation, and I am a little distressed if this is how some might define it. I suggest that the very definition of “good citizenship” is protecting and defending the nation from its enemies, within and without.

    • Amazona November 8, 2016 / 10:22 am

      Regarding Hispanics—what can you expect when the Left repeatedly casts Trump’s comment about Mexico sending us rapists as a statement that all illegal aliens are rapists? The GOP and Trump CREATED this problem, and then were too inept to fix it.

      Not once did I hear anyone, Trump or a PAC ad or anyone, point out that he never maligned all Mexicans, or all illegals. Not once.

      • Milo Milosovich November 8, 2016 / 2:55 pm

        No, but he did imply that a judge couldn’t be impartial because he was of “Mexican heritage” – despite the fact that the judge was born in the United States.

      • Cluster November 8, 2016 / 3:30 pm

        And how is that different than what SC Justice Sotomayor said:

        WASHINGTON — In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging……..I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor

        Yet I don’t recall ANYONE EVER objecting to this statement. Odd isn’t it?

      • rustybrown2014 November 8, 2016 / 4:51 pm

        Just like we never heard a peep when black activists decried the injustice of all white juries throughout the years.

      • Amazona November 8, 2016 / 8:43 pm

        Rusty, not sure about your point. Yes, there has been racial injustice. No, an all-white jury does not necessarily mean a bigoted jury or a foregone race-based conclusion. Losers like to find something or someone to blame, just as black activists now blame police for shooting black men who point guns at them.

      • rustybrown2014 November 8, 2016 / 11:15 pm

        Sorry, probably wasn’t clear with my post. I was trying to affirm Cluster’s point. Nobody was ever offended when black activists complained about all white juries. They should have been.

      • Cluster November 8, 2016 / 11:54 pm

        I am with ya Rusty. NYT just gave Trump a 91% chance of winning this thing and Claire Mccaskill was just on saying how important compromise is and working together. Dems are scared. Trump has a chance of winning this thing.

      • Amazona November 9, 2016 / 12:23 am

        I have refused to watch TV tonight—the hype and hysteria drive me nuts. So I’ve been playing Free Cell on my computer and going back to Politico every few games to see how things are going. At 9:20 my time, my little scratch pad showed Trump has a very very good chance of taking it.

        Not celebrating yet, but starting to breathe again. He needs 54 at this point and has a good shot at about 60-68. Hooray for Utah, not wasting too many votes on their local guy.

      • rustybrown2014 November 9, 2016 / 1:13 am

        Tentative high five to you Cluster.

      • Cluster November 9, 2016 / 8:22 am

        Right on !!! (sorry, fell asleep)

  4. Amazona November 8, 2016 / 10:16 am

    Mark, you often comment on the wrongness of “purges” within the GOP, and I don’t understand that. There is something very wrong with the party, and the party has to correct this or die.

    On my first trip to England I became very ill with Tourist Tummy, and after a few days of misery went to a chemist’s (drugstore) and was sold a foul tasting mixture of kaolin and morphine, to be mixed a teaspoon full at a time in couple of ounces of water and drunk several times a day. Once was all I could handle, it was so nasty, but it did the trick. Later, back home, I asked my doctor why we don’t sell stuff like that here, and he said that the body’s self purging was its way of getting rid of toxins, and if I had stopped this early on I could have become very very ill and possibly died.

    It’s an analogy, I think, for the situation the party is in right now. If we bottle up the toxicity at the top, and threaded throughout the party as shown in the bully-boy mob mentality we saw leading up to the convention and at the convention, in the name of ……whatever…….good citizenship, civility, whatever…….we will just contain the poison and let it grow till it takes us down.

    No matter who wins, we need to clean house at the GOP. I would start with the Never Trumpers who support Hillary, because there is no way that any Conservative with a sincere wish for the well being of the nation can support her and the political system she represents. I believe they have permanently branded themselves as beneath contempt and cannot be considered political conservatives. They are like the old Outback commercial where the guy, one of the Conchords, says he is a vegetarian. OK, he does eat fish. And chicken. And some meat. He ends up referring to himself as “semi-veg” but you can’t be “semi-conservative”.

    I’m not talking about the foolish people who saw Trump as the best, or even the only, answer. I have my opinion of them, and it is that they were too blinded by superficial aspects of Trump to evaluate the positions and histories of some of the other candidates. I don’t have a lot of respect for them, but I don’t think they need to be “purged”. They also do not need to be protected from the consequences of their foolishness, and too often of their belligerence and mob mentality. They bullied and blackmailed the party into nominating Trump, and even if he wins I consider that a black mark against them and their character and even their judgment.

    We will need to take a hard, cold, and objective look at the party that let this whole thing spin out of control. A year ago we had the prospect of leadership, dignity and clarity on our side going into the election, and we ended up with utter chaos and disunity and all that has come with it. This IS the fault of the “leadership” of the party, its pettiness and its willingness to risk all to fight what they thought was its greatest threat, Ted Cruz.

    • Cluster November 8, 2016 / 3:34 pm

      Well Bob it will require determination and persistence to “clean out the GOP”, and considering that you quit pretty easily I don’t see you being involved.

    • Cluster November 8, 2016 / 3:58 pm

      It’s a two step process called voting and participation

    • Cluster November 8, 2016 / 5:49 pm

      Term limits

  5. Retired Spook November 8, 2016 / 1:03 pm

    Well, I think I may have permanently damaged my nose, but I voted for Trump. The guy in line ahead of me said he and his wife went to early vote yesterday, and the wait was estimated at 4 hours, so they decided to wait till today. The wait late this morning was less than a half hour, but the poll worker I talked to said it had been steady since they opened at 6AM.

  6. Jeremiah November 8, 2016 / 4:09 pm

    I pray for a huge Trump victory! I pray that America is satisfied with a Trump victory, should he be elected President! I don’t know what the outcome will be. One way or another, we will be celebrating, celebrating a Trump win, and Hillary going to prison, or celebrating by resolution to correct the divide in this country by disorderly means! Today is the day that we start to cement the foundations, and strengthen them, or they will crumble, and this nation will collapse. A house divided against itself will not stand!

    Whatever the case may be, be sure to save at least 45 pieces of popcorn, and throw one piece at the tv for every state that Trump wins!

  7. Tim November 8, 2016 / 5:11 pm

    I am at peace with whatever the outcome. If you had to hold your nose to vote for Trump, now you know how I felt when I voted for mitt. Hope the feeling is twice as bad.

    • Cluster November 8, 2016 / 5:59 pm

      I didn’t have to hold my nose to vote for Trump. I did so with the hope that most Americans still have an independent streak in them and will choose the path towards more self governance than the authoritarian rule Hillary offers. And while I think Romney was very qualified and a very nice man, I have had an awakening in the last 4 years and realized that he was just another member of the establishment and would have accomplished very little. Thanks to Wikileaks the curtain has been pulled back on the DC/Media establishment and it must be broken up and defeated. I heard a pundit quite ironically say the other day that America was founded by people who opposed elite establishment rule, and we are now once again soon to face the same problem.

      • rustybrown2014 November 8, 2016 / 6:22 pm

        I agree with you Cluster, no nose-holding here either. While Trump is far from an ideal candidate and there are many areas of concern I think the choice here was resoundingly clear. Good grief, for all of his flaws this is absolutely the greatest chance any of us has ever had to actually vote against the business as usual two party structure–that alone should motivate the electorate for Trump. Of course the media was doing all it could to mask this historic opportunity.

      • Amazona November 8, 2016 / 8:51 pm

        I read today that something like 91% of all Dems have said they will vote for Hillary. If there has ever been anything to stir absolute disgust for Dems, it is this. This utter disregard for decency, honesty and trustworthiness in favor of partisan Identity Politics is appalling.

    • Amazona November 8, 2016 / 8:50 pm

      While Mitt Romney was not the absolute MOST conservative candidate I ever saw, I found him to be close enough to get my enthusiastic support when up against Obama, and he was smart, honest, ethical and loves this country. Never could understand the antipathy some had for him.

  8. Tim November 8, 2016 / 6:41 pm

    Don’t get me wrong Spook. I am one of the few regulars at Ace’s place that has never taken shots at someone stating they would not vote for Trump. I respect your right to vote for whom you will.

    It would be nice if the favor could be returned I just do not see it happening.

  9. Tim November 8, 2016 / 6:49 pm

    Holy crud buckets. CNN Tweeting that 1st Florida exit polls coming in.

    Trump 55%
    FAB 39%

    Pray this is not gas lighting.

  10. Tim November 8, 2016 / 6:52 pm

    Yep. Too good to be true. Hoax.

    • Amazona November 8, 2016 / 8:48 pm

      Latest Politico real time review for Florida has Trump at 49.4% and Clinton at 47.6%. Not a blowout but if Florida votes the way it usually does the eastern and northeastern areas, in the Central Time Zone, tend to vote more solidly Republican.

  11. Jeremiah November 9, 2016 / 12:00 am

    Amazing! We have full control of the House and Senate, and the Presidency!

    This is history!

  12. rustybrown2014 November 9, 2016 / 1:15 am

    Hey Bob, How certain are you feeling about that certain Clinton victory now?

  13. rustybrown2014 November 9, 2016 / 4:03 am

    Sittin on top of the world.

  14. Retired Spook November 9, 2016 / 5:22 am

    Holy stinkin’ cow!

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