Laws (Even Immigration Laws) are Laws

The DNC ordered the MSM to make the detention of people at the border an issue, and now the MSM is full of stories of the heartless, cruel Trump separating families. First, for Amazona (our, “it’s the law, dammit” person…who is correct in all respects on this), we’ll bring this up:

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. – 8 USC 1325

So, you can see, entering our country illegally is, well, illegal. And there’s no carve out for people fleeing persecution. If you want in, you have to come in legally…and, of course, you can just present yourself at the border and claim refugee status and your case will be judged according to law (and we have a host of carefully crafted laws and regulations just for that). There is no carve-out for someone caught illegally here – or attempting to illegally enter – who says, upon arrest, that he or she is a refugee (though, even here, after detention such a person can still claim refugee status and that case will be judged on its merits, no prejudice attached for the illegal entry). And the bottom line is that neither Mexico nor Canada is a dystopian hellscape…once in either country, it is no problem to go to the closest US consulate and claim refugee status. But, that isn’t what is wanted here. What is wanted is easy entry – and then the chance to disappear into the illegal alien underground, where there are plenty of people willing to help you skirt US law in the matter of your residency.

The use of kids, I think, results from the fact that until just recently, we went very easy on people who showed up with kids. Which astonishes me – we should have been even more strict about that given the amount of trafficking going on across the border. Without a blood test, how in heck would we know if any particular kid presented at the border is the child of the adult with them? New orders from the government have us enforcing the law listed above – if you enter illegally, you’ve broken the law and are held over for trial. Just as if you had broken any other law. Naturally, we won’t imprison kids with adults awaiting trial (for obvious reasons), and thus comes the “ripping families apart” drivel.

There are plenty of countries in the world where, if a person from there showed up here claiming asylum, I’d pretty much automatically give it to them. North Korea; Syria; Somalia; Myanmar; Cuba; Afghanistan; Venezuela; South Sudan; Libya. There are others where I’d be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt. But south of the Rio Grande, there’s only one – Venezuela. How much you want to bet not one in a thousand of those crossing are from a place you have to flee from? What we’re getting is people who simply want to move, and who don’t want to wait in line. As for me, I see no good coming out of rewarding people for ruthlessly exploiting children to get a jump on the entry line. Such people seem to me to be the people we’d least like in our country. I mean, think about it: it’s a very long journey through an underground system controlled by some of the most vicious gangsters the world has ever seen. Who would put their child through that?

President Trump is doing the right thing – by enforcing the law, he’s discouraging this cruel practice of exploiting children. Those who are opposing him are de-facto encouraging criminality – in effect, they are lobbying for the criminal gangs who exploit these people trying to come here illegally. I’ve spent the last few days on Social Media with Progressives and Never Trump trying to shame me over this…and nothing has more convinced me of the moral collapse of the Progressives and Never Trump than their bizarre desire to have criminality rewarded in the name of having a talking point against Trump.

75 thoughts on “Laws (Even Immigration Laws) are Laws

  1. Amazona June 18, 2018 / 12:53 am

    I think that of all the good points you make, this—-“…” by enforcing the law, he’s discouraging this cruel practice of exploiting children. is the most important

    1. The children are being exploited—by their parents, by whatever adults have been charged with their care, and by the Liberals in this country.
    2. Once they are here, without parents, they have no real protection
    3. Just getting here is dangerous and often deadly, for reasons ranging from coyotes taking money and leaving people to die in trucks and shipping containers to desert crossings to human trafficking.

    But, and here I get back to one of my constant complaints—–we have no loud and coherent voice explaining this. As usual, the Left controls the narrative.

  2. casper3031 June 18, 2018 / 3:30 am

    The law has been the same for years. The Trump administration has decided to change the way it is enforced and in doing so has decided to take thousands of children away form their parents, something that wasn’t being done before. And yes there is a great deal of outrage being generated by this, as there should be, by liberals and conservative Christian leaders. Separating children from their parents, who brought them here in hope of a better life is just wrong. As a parent and a grandparent, I am abhorred by this policy.

    • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 2:19 pm

      “…take thousands of children away form their parents…”

      How many children? Thousands” How many thousands? For how long?
      And can you tell us how many of these children were actually WITH their parents, and how many had been loaned/sold/turned over for some reason, to someone not their parents?

      “…something that wasn’t being done before…”

      Except it had. Just as children in this country are not allowed to accompany their parents to jail, or prison. Duh.

      “Separating children from their parents, who brought them here in hope of a better life is just wrong. “

      Well, first of all you simply assign the benign motive of simply “wanting a better life” without any definitions. What if the motive is to infiltrate the United States for malignant reasons, using exploited children as cover? What if “a better life” is just defined by the person as hopping the American Liberal gravy train, with housing and food and medical care and education and all sorts of other goodies handed out for free, without even having to work or even learn the language? Is that an adequate rationale for breaking our laws?

      Keep in mind, we are not seeing nearly-naked half-starved people staggering across the border looking as if they escaped from a concentration camp. We’re seeing pretty well-dressed obviously well-fed people whose lives back home seemed to sustain them pretty well. Of course, they had to WORK for that back home, while “a better life” here is far less demanding.

      “As a parent and a grandparent, I am abhorred by this policy.”

      As a known bleeding-heart Liberal who has never met a Leftist agenda he didn’t love, this doesn’t really mean much, especially as you clearly don’t even know what the policy IS, or why it is in place. What you “know” you have been fed in pre-digested little spoonfuls by the Complicit Agenda Media, no doubt sniffling in empathy at the photo of the middle-aged woman clutching a doll in a photographer’s painfully transparent effort to convince us she is grieving over the separation from a child for a day or two.

      As a parent and a grandparent, would YOU put your children or grandchildren at risk by dragging them across the country, possibly putting them at the mercy of mercenary coyotes known to often leave illegals to die horrible deaths in trucks or shipping containers, possibly having to walk across dangerous deserts, while teaching them to be lawbreakers? Would YOU consider that moral or responsible parenting?

      Or would YOU consign your child or grandchild to someone else, to experience the same dangers only to be exploited by someone else? Would YOU feel OK with the knowledge that once across the border, if the fake-parent ploy worked, your child would probably be on his or her own and vulnerable to all sorts of abuses, including sex trafficking?

      If you decided to roll the dice, Casper, and put a child or grandchild through this hell of danger and uncertainty, hoping that your appeal for asylum will be granted, would you prefer that your child be in a cell with you and others also being held, or in a safe, secure homelike environment where he or she would have supervision, a bed, and good food?

      And I see you are spouting the narrative that “conservative” whatevers echo your uber-emotional bleating. But you undoubtedly can’t define “conservative” any more than you have ever been able to define Liberal. It’s just a word your kind tosses out there to try to make a point.

      Funny how your side never stops howling about the invented and nonexistent constitutional “wall between church and state” till you need to piously start referring to religion to support a wrong-headed and equally invented “humanitarian crisis”.

      Such hypocrites.

      You have never made sense, Casper, and you still don’t. You are just a dutiful, doddering mouthpiece for the Left and its ugly,sinister, and evil agendas.

  3. Cluster June 18, 2018 / 8:03 am

    Yesterday was Father’s Day. Where in the hell are the Father’s of these children? And why aren’t they taking care of them? What is wrong with Hispanic men? In my opinion, they fall short of being a man.

    And let’s not forget, Trump offered to legalize 1.8 million Dreamers in exchange for more border security and the Democrats passed.

      • Cluster June 18, 2018 / 12:52 pm

        I wonder how many Chicago dads have been killed?

      • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 2:37 pm

        OK, Casper, take a look at that story. Did you read it, by the way, or just pass it on like the good little parrot you are?

        A man was told heand his family would be separated while their asylum request was being processed. (Hint: They know, at the border, that not everyone who claims asylum qualifies. They know this has been publicized throughout Mexico and Central America as a ruse to get across the border. To explain it to you n terms you might be able to understand, sometimes people who have already broken the law are people who will lie.) Was he told how long they would be separated? What led him to believe that the separation would be harder on the infant than the ordeal of getting all the way across Mexico to the United States border? What was it about the simple act of not being in the same room that made him flip out?

        Because he did flip out. His behavior was irrational and erratic. He became confrontational and violent. I am confused. When a man is arrested in Honduras for committing a crime, does he get to take his wife and baby to jail with him? Your article never touched on the reason he was so surprised and devastated to learn that people arrested on our border for trying to cross illegally are not given a family suite at a local hotel, but are treated, well, like people who broke the law.

        And just why and how, pray tell, did he think that being dead would make his family’s situation any better? Instead of being separated from his daddy for a few days, Junior was made permanently separated from him for the rest of his life.

        You evidently missed the part where his behavior was considered so erratic and unreasonable that he was treated like a psych case, not just a criminal. OK, I know it wasn’t spelled out for you, and the article didn’t explain it to you the way your minders do, but still…….he was put in a PADDED CELL and was on SUICIDE WATCH. Duh. It was clear that he was a few fries short of a Happy Meal. But it feeds the Leftist narrative, and therefore your own,that he was driven to suicidal despair because the big old meanies at the border wouldn’t let him tuck Junior in at night.

        No, Casper, the story doesn’t say what you want it to say. There are several possible reasons for this man’s suicide. The most obvious is that he knew an investigation would show him to be an undesirable. and the only chance his wife and child MIGHT have for admittance would be if he were dead. In the same vein, it might just have been a dramatic effort to gain sympathy for his wife and child to increase their chances of being accepted. But in no way this this man fall into the depths of suicidal despair because he couldn’t be with his family for a few days.

        I know you are a fool, but buying into this malarkey just ups your fool score.

  4. Cluster June 18, 2018 / 8:19 am

    If Democrats are so concerned about “ripping families apart”, they should reconsider their 100% support for abortion on demand, their indifference towards American families like Kate Steinle’s, their zeal to politically prosecute people like Gen.Mike Flynn, and their 50 year old policies of rewarding single parent households vis a vie welfare programs. Not too mention, changing the way they govern cities like Chicago ……

  5. Cluster June 18, 2018 / 8:35 am

    From 2014:

    …..Cuellar’s sentiment is right in line with Republican critics giving Obama heat over the unexpected influx of minors from Central America, many of them unaccompanied, and now mired in bureaucratic limbo and caught in the middle of a partisan political firefight.

    Just another problem Democrats refuse to take responsibility for …… that’s what they do, create problems then blame others.

    • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 2:58 pm

      The children have too often merely been pawns in an ugly, despicable power struggle by the Left, which understands that its actual political model is never going to triumph over liberty and self government, making emotional appeals and emotion-driven voting more and more necessary.

      The children have been disposable tools, too often consigned to sex trafficking (an area of crime which, by the way, is blatantly ignored by the Left) when they are no longer of use.

  6. Cluster June 18, 2018 / 8:57 am

    Here’s how concerned Democrats are for “the children”

    However, according to the AP’s reporting, the lowered standards resulted in children landing in unsafe homes where they were “sexually assaulted, starved or forced to work for little or no pay.” …..HHS estimated that around 90,000 migrant children were placed into sponsor care between 2013 and 2015, but the agency did not know how many of those children were trafficked because the department failed to keep track of them after their placement.

    Keep this in mind next time someone like Casper or some progressive moron in the media claims how much they care …..

  7. casper3031 June 18, 2018 / 12:47 pm

    Four posts Cluster and not one defending the policy on it’s merits. Perhaps ithat is because the policy is indefensible.

    • Cluster June 18, 2018 / 12:59 pm

      I support the policy 100%. It’s actually just enforcing the law Clinton put into place. And if immigrant parents are irresponsible enough to have children that they can not care for, and then flee their homes because they are cowardly, well then they subject themselves to their own fate. Honduras is not a country one needs to flee from, nor is Mexico. Venezuela may be the only legitimate socialist shit hole where people deserve sanctuary from but alas, not many Venezuelans are there?

      Democrats would be best advised to care for the children of Chicago who are literally dying in the streets as a result of Democrat policies.

    • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 3:12 pm

      “Four posts Cluster and not one defending the policy on it’s(sic) merits”

      Why don’t you step up, Casper, and explain that “policy” to us? Actually read it, process it, maybe have someone help you with the long words (and the apostrophes) and then get back to us with an analysis.

      Not just a shrill parroting of the emotional wailing and moaning we’ve been getting, but an actual analysis. When are children separated from the adults they accompany? Why? For how long? Are children accompanied by adults who can’t prove parentage or even legal custody treated differently than children with their true parents? How? Why? Is this a good policy or a bad one? How? Why? Under what conditions are the children held? How are they treated? What is the mechanism for this separation? I know, the howling Left refers to children being “ripped from their parents”, creating an image of snarling dogs holding weeping mothers at bay while jackbooted thugs with billy clubs yank screaming children from their mothers’ arms—but in reality, how does it work?

      Would it be “defensible” to put children in cells with several adults who are being held?
      Would it be “defensible” to have a policy that says “adults accompanied by minors may enter the United States at will—the laws don’t apply to them”? What is the alternative to the current policy?

      Or are you just playing the Leftist’s game, standing on the curb till a policy comes along and then darting out to run a stick through its spokes, with no intent but to disable it and with absolutely no alternative to offer. (“Its” is the possessive of “it”. “It’s” means one thing and one thing only, always and forever, and that is the contraction of the two words “it” and “is”. Guess they didn’t cover that in Bob’s School of Refrigeration and Teaching, too busy teaching you that the Constitution was in favor of slavery and against letting women vote.)

  8. casper3031 June 18, 2018 / 1:11 pm

    The law has been enforced for years. The policy of taking children away from their parents for a misdemeanor is all on the current administration. I side with the Catholic Bishops and Laura Bush on this one.

    • Cluster June 18, 2018 / 1:30 pm

      Well of course you do. You always side with the losers. Honestly Cap the way Dems have run this country and cities like Chicago and Baltimore – you’re the last person we want to hear from. But thanks for playing.

    • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 2:51 pm

      The Catholic Church has lurched so far to the Left since Vatican Two it is increasingly as political is it is religious, and Laura was always a Lefty at heart, advocating for the killing of children as one example.

      Which leads me to the really obvious hypocrisy of you Lefties—kill ’em, poison ’em in the womb with saline so they essentially burn to death while feeling the pain, dismember them while they are alive so their parts can be harvested for profit, cut them up, suck them out, jab implements into their brains within minutes of being born to destroy them while they grasp in panic for a finger to hold onto, toss them in the garbage, but whatever you do, never ever EVER remove them from irresponsible adults, parents or not, who have put them in harm’s way, even for a day or two or three, to make sure they are safe and cared for.

      You people make me sick.

    • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 3:20 pm

      “The policy of taking children away from their parents for a misdemeanor is all on the current administration. ”

      My goodness, Casper, every time I think you have fully plumbed the depths of stupidity, you write another post.

      You make it sound as if parents lose custody of their children “for a misdemeanor”. But they don’t. They are sent into custody for adults while their claims are being processed, and their children are sent into homelike environments much more suitable for children during this period.

      Argue, if you want, that being confined with criminal adults is a better treatment for children than being in a temporary home with other children, supervision, beds and food and toys and safety. Go for it. It might be interesting.

      The crime itself is not merely a misdemeanor. The level of punishment is similar to that of a misdemeanor, but crossing the border illegally can result in a prison sentence.

  9. Cluster June 18, 2018 / 1:36 pm

    Remember when Bill Clinton sent in armed federal agents to rip a young boy away from his family to be sent back to Cuba?

    Neither does Casper.

    • casper3031 June 18, 2018 / 2:32 pm

      I do remember it and Clinton was definitely wrong on how he handled that. Now Trump is doing it with thousands of children, If it was wrong under Clinton, wouldn’t it also be wrong under Trump?

      • Cluster June 18, 2018 / 2:58 pm

        Clinton did it. Bush did it. Obama did it. Where was the media Cap?

      • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 3:53 pm

        Cluster, the Washington Post wrote about child sex trafficking back in 2016, taking Obama to task as so many of these abused and exploited children came across the border, unaccompanied, thanks to Obama policies. Once here, they were not longer politically useful and were tossed out onto the streets to fend for themselves or be picked up by human traffickers.

        But for the most part, there was no howling—–partly because the protective Complicit Agenda Media were not going to call attention to misdeeds by The One We Have All Been Waiting For, and partly because there was no political gain for the Left.

        They let the whole thing sit on a back shelf till they needed it. Then they dragged it out, dusted it off, added a few invented claims, posed some older woman clutching a doll to illustrate the tragedy of, I guess, sad grandmas. and the predictable mob was off and screeching.

        With Casper hobbling along behind, trying to catch up and picking up a bit of narrative here and there he couldn’t wait to deposit here. So proud, he is, of what he managed to drag in.

      • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 3:54 pm

        Trump is NOT doing “it”.

        Elian Gonzales was brought to his country in an effort to flee a vicious and tyrannical regime (which, remember, was recently praised by Obama) under the rules at the time that if a Cuban refugee made it to shore he or she would not be sent back. His mother died in the effort. He did make it to shore, and was with a loving family, trying to help him recover from the trauma of losing his mother.

        Prior to this, after a Russian sailor repeatedly jumped off his ship in American harbors only to be returned by American officials, President Reagan and his immigration and legal officials put together a policy to cover situations like this, and it specifically covered minor children. The policy was violated by Big Jan and Bill Clinton, in their pandering to Fidel Castro.

        The child was, literally, ripped from the arms of his screaming aunt, while he screamed in terror, by armed soldiers or law enforcement, who broke into the house.

        I have tried to use short words, as this is directed to Casper.

        So—a child here LEGALLY, according to prior policy, in a private home, was violently and physically yanked from the arms of a loving family member by armor-wearing armed men after the government violently broke into the home.

        Now look at what “Trump” is doing. He is doing two things. One is enforcing the law regarding illegal entry into the United States—his job, his duty, his responsibility.

        One is protecting the innocent children who have, through no fault of their own, been exposed to risk and danger, and often sent off with people other than their parents, to be exploited and used as political pawns, with no one on our side of the border to assume custody of them, care for them or protect them. These children, whether with their parents or sent off with other adults, deserve to be protected and cared for while the actions of those adults are examined and adjudicated.

        NO ONE thinks that children should be subjected to jail cells, which is the only way children could accompany their parents into custody. That is simply stupid beyond belief. Anyone who argues that children should be in cells with felons, who may be violent, may be any of many unpleasant or scary things, just to be with their parents, has abandoned all pretense of being concerned about the welfare of the children. But we don’t send young children to jail in this country, and we certainly don’t force them to share cells with strange adults.

        Jail is not a nice place. It is scary, noisy and unnerving. It may be appropriate for someone who has willfully broken the law. It is not appropriate or acceptable for children who have done nothing but be manipulated by adults.

        President Trump is aware of the problem of child sex trafficking, much of which focuses on vulnerable young immigrants. He, unlike Casper, probably read the WaPo article from 2016 which called Obama to account for the shameful dumping of unaccompanied young people from other nations who were simply abandoned to be preyed upon.

        Casper evidently doesn’t care what happens to children brought here by adults who are not their parents. But part of the sequestration of children from law-breaking adults is to determine if those adults have legal rights regarding those children. One might think that a person truly concerned about children would advocate for that kind of protection. The other reason is that even when children are dragged across a country and over another nation’s border, in violation of that nation’s laws, they are not culpable and should not be punished for the actions of the people who should be taking care of them. So they are not punished, they are protected and cared for. If the irresponsible adults who put them in that position are unhappy about it, tough. They are the ones responsible in the first place.

        The kids are fine. They’ve already been through hell just to get to that place, and they finally have peace and quiet, other kids to play with, nice rooms and beds, plenty to eat, and assurance that they will be back with their parents shortly.

        It’s really only the embarrassingly easy-to-lead-by-the-nose Caspers of the country who are freaking out. But that is what they do. They get the message that it is time to freak out, and freak out they do. Sometimes it’s a carefully cropped photo purported to show distressed polar bears on a tiny ice floe, sometimes it’s an old staged photo of children behind a chain link fence, but whatever it may be, the flavor of the month is fed to the Useful Idiots and on cue they start squealing and howling. The din is deafening, but it’s always the same tune, just with a few different words.

  10. Cluster June 18, 2018 / 3:05 pm

    This border issue wouldn’t even be a problem if people wouldn’t try and use their kids to enter this country illegally encouraged by the hand outs Democrats promise them.

    Get rid of Democrats and you will get rid of illegal immigrants.

    • Retired Spook June 18, 2018 / 5:30 pm

      Get rid of Democrats and you will get rid of illegal immigrants.

      Get rid of Democrats, and you’d solve a lot more than just the immigration problem.

      Rush was talking about this issue of separating kids from their parents today. The whole segment is good, but the part specifically about separating families starts with the call from Vernon from Winston-Salem, NC.

      • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 7:48 pm

        I missed most of the show but I did catch was great. It made me want to pay so I can get transcripts of shows. Thank you so much for linking to this transcript. There are so many facts in this segment, you almost have to have it in print so you can read it and then go back and read it again.

        I strongly recommend that everyone read it, except maybe Casper, because facts and Casper are not compatible and his head might explode. Or implode, because nature abhors a vacuum.

        I am also glad that Rush cited that NR article, because I just read it yesterday or the day before and have been looking for it to link here. It is a very very good article, and addresses the lies and hysteria of the Left.

  11. Cluster June 18, 2018 / 5:03 pm

    Casper, DO NOT read this. It hurts the liberal narrative:

    One of the many consequences of an aggressive immigration enforcement system is the separation of children, often U.S. citizens, from their unauthorized immigrant parents. Take the case of Felipe Montes, a father who has spent the past two years fighting to reunite with his three young children, who were placed in foster care in North Carolina following Montes’ deportation to Mexico in late 2010. Such cases only scratch at the surface of a growing problem. Our immigration policies often fail to address the needs of millions of children whom they directly impact…….According to the Pew Hispanic Center, approximately 5.5 million children in the United States, including 4.5 million U.S.-born citizens, live in mixed-legal status families with at least one parent who is an unauthorized immigrant. These children are at risk of being separated from a parent at any time. Parents facing removal must frequently make the decision whether to take their children with them or leave their children in the U.S. in the care of another parent, relative, or friend. In many cases, a parent may determine that it is in their child’s best interest to remain in the U.S. However, in some cases, a parent’s ability to make such decisions is compromised when their child enters the child welfare system, which can prompt a series of events leading to the termination of parental rights. The lack of consistent protocols across the different public systems that encounter separated families further exacerbates the problem.

    So this was noted as a problem in 2010 and Obama DID NOTHING. Also, the media reported NOTHING.

    • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 7:47 pm

      This is, probably unintentionally, a reference to the problems created by the SCOTUS distortion of the intent of the 14 th Amendment. Now people believe that being born here automatically conveys citizenship, as this article repeats. No, it should not.

      This is another important part of “comprehensive immigration reform” and it may be the third rail of such reform, so scary that no one from either party wants to get close to it.

      But it’s easy. If a Mexican national gets in trouble, he goes to the Mexican consulate or embassy. Why? Because he is Mexican citizen and therefore under the authority of that country. The 14th Amendment only grants citizenship to people born here if they have no other national identity. It was written to grant citizenship to slaves, who had no citizenship in any other country.

      • M. Noonan June 19, 2018 / 12:14 am

        I think it would take an Amendment to change the usage at this point, even granting that one doesn’t get birthright citizenship. At all events, I think we should: to me, citizenship should be passed down from citizens, born or naturalized. But if you aren’t a citizen (born or naturalized) how can it possibly be that you can convey citizenship to your children?

      • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 11:13 am

        “…if you aren’t a citizen (born or naturalized) how can it possibly be that you can convey citizenship to your children?”


        The amendment says, in its first and most misunderstood sentence, All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

        When a woman is still a citizen of another nation, she is under the jurisdiction of that nation. If you don’t believe that, arrest her and see what embassy she calls. Therefore, she should not be able to convey American citizenship to her child, no matter where it is born.

        The basic historical rules apply—-citizenship, absent a formal legal proceeding, is passed through parentage.

        An interesting side note to that sentence—-for all the screeching, howling and carrying-on about the alleged inherent governmental racism of the United States, the nation took action to make sure that slaves could become full American citizens.

  12. Cluster June 18, 2018 / 5:37 pm

    OK, this is too easy. Here’s another article from 2015. Any comments Cap:

    Last spring, as Central American children flooded into Texas in a way he had never seen in his three-decade career, Border Patrol agent Robert Harris decided to experiment.

    His intelligence analysts estimated that 78 percent of the guides smuggling other migrants were Mexicans younger than 18 — teenagers often hired or conscripted by drug cartels that knew they would not be prosecuted if caught — and he wanted to attack this loophole.

    “Why don’t we remove these juveniles from the smuggling cycle?” Harris, the outgoing commander of the Laredo sector of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, recalled thinking.

    Now, as a result of that decision, young Mexicans are being held for months without charge in shelters across the United States, sometimes without their parents’ knowledge. Since the program began in May, 536 juveniles have been held — 248 of whom have been deported to Mexico after an average stay of 75 days, according to Border Patrol statistics. Mexican authorities say some of these repeat border-crossers have spent as much as six months in U.S. custody while they await an appearance before an immigration judge.

    Where was the media? More importantly, where were you Cap? And your bonding with Laura Bush?

    • Amazona June 18, 2018 / 7:43 pm

      Mexico can whine all it wants to. I still say the best and fastest way to end illegal immigration is to end the ability of Mexicans to wire money home. Trillions of dollars a year leave the American economy, to shore up the Mexican economy. So stop it.

      Make it illegal. No foreigner can send money outside the US unless he has a valid work visa or green card, and then only a small amount once a month. Set up a three-way cross reference system—-name, fingerprint and recipient name—-and any effort to bypass the rules will result in instant deportation.

      This would serve two purposes. It would for damned sure get Mexico’s attention, as Mexico depends on this income flowing into the country. And it would make being here more of a hassle than it is worth.

      Mailing physical money would also be illegal. I believe we have metallic threads in our bills, which would show up on scanners. We wouldn’t have to catch every illicit package, just a few, to send those people home and put their money into some kind of fund to pay for the program.

      Then I would re-institute something like the old Bracero program, for seasonal workers, and I would make it mandatory for employees of people in this program to send, upon request, money back to the home country in the name of the worker. So money can only be sent back home through an employer, and through the system.

      If a citizen or green card alien wants to send money home, he has to apply for a license, and can only send up to a specified amount. To get the license he has to commit to a set of rules, including no more than two recipients and agreeing that sending money for someone else will result in deportation.

      So people whose families depend on them as they work here legally can still support those families, or send money for emergencies, but the unfettered flow of many millions of dollars a week would be reduced to a trickle.

      That leverage would bring Mexico to the table and allow us to demand certain things, such as government crackdown on drug cartels and helping build the wall, as well as better border control on their side. Right now Mexico has no motivation to do anything, and we need to motivate them.

      In the meantime, people are being sent back to Mexico and Central America with the message that hiding behind kids doesn’t work any more, so don’t bother.

  13. Amazona June 18, 2018 / 7:25 pm

    It’s like stupidity to infinity.

    David French of NR online writes “Nowhere is there evidence that Congress has intended family separation as a deterrent against illegal immigration. Yet, here we are.”

    No, no, no, no, no, David. No, we are NOT “here”. Family separation is what happens when other deterrents have failed, and people intent on breaking the law drag their children into their illegal activities. Cart before horse, David. Tree branches waving around making the wind blow. So backwards I am embarrassed for you.

    • M. Noonan June 19, 2018 / 12:16 am

      They don’t get it because they don’t want to get it – actually called up short a Catholic Priest on this today. The adults are breaking the law – they are the people doing wrong. Doing wrong has consequences. At all events, they are talking about “caged” children and that, too, is bull…the kids are kept in detention centers which are clean and well-run; the kids are fed and are able to play. What are we supposed to do with them? Cut them loose in America? Send them home alone?

      • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 11:20 am

        What are we supposed to do with them? Cut them loose in America?

        That’s what happened under Obama, which is why there are articles about immigrant children becoming victims of sex trafficking. Tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors were allowed, willy-nilly, into this country—-probably with the intent of eventually making them citizens who would vote for free stuff—-and then turned out, without adult supervision, without adult protection, to be targeted by predators.

        How humane.

        Take a step forward in time—-where do we think gang members come from? Do they come from stable homes, homes with parental protection and guidance? Or do are these people the end result of being on their own on the streets, after being abandoned by their parents and sent across one big country to illegally cross into another, to achieve some political goal? When a child is abandoned to the possible care but possible indifference of strangers, to be used as a political pawn, and then discarded, immeasurable harm is done to that child’s mind and psyche.

        The old, broken, system has been a breeding ground for all sorts of dysfunctional populations.

  14. Amazona June 18, 2018 / 8:11 pm

    I have a challenge for the Left: If you people really care about children, step up and stand for protecting ALL children. I’ll trade you immigrant children for the unborn.

    That is, you agree to make abortion illegal and I will agree that we should take all the federal money going to Planned Parenthood and even some more if necessary to build lovely little casitas where asylum-seeking families can stay together till their applications have been adjudicated. That way, you can stop being total asswipe hypocrites and stand for defending and protecting children of all ages, even those conceived by irresponsible people. No more of this “We’d be happy to throw children of certain ages in a wood chipper but we are passionate about defending other children who are a little older and born to law-breaking foreigners”.

    No. All or nothing.

    • jdge1 June 19, 2018 / 12:01 am

      I second the motion.

  15. Amazona June 18, 2018 / 8:15 pm

    Just to lighten things up a little: has anyone heard about this?

    “……a layer of Paleozoic-era rock under the mid-Atlantic and Northeast, specifically running under I-95, that would so insulate the Earth that the energy from a massive electromagnetic storm would bounce back up to the power grid and burn out multiple transformers, potentially causing outages that could keep us in the dark for months.”

    What I want to know is which Lefty cities would be ground zero in such an event?

    And how do you start an electromagnetic storm?

  16. casper3031 June 18, 2018 / 11:59 pm

    Interesting. Two polls came out today showing that 2/3s of Americans oppose Trump’s family splitting policy. Of the 28% who back the policy the vast majority are Republicans. In other words people like you. Not surprising. At this point, if Trump declared killing and eating puppies was a good thing, the members of this blog would be sharing recipes to tomorrow. That said, i had a great day at the beach with the kids today with ziplining coming up tomorrow. Have a great evening.

    • M. Noonan June 19, 2018 / 12:17 am

      Bogus poll – but, hey, if your side wants to run on this, be my guest.

      • casper3031 June 19, 2018 / 2:00 am

        And if your side wants to run as the party that breaks up families, be my guest.

      • M. Noonan June 19, 2018 / 2:42 am

        But we’re not doing that – we won’t be guilt tripped on this. We know the facts. Anyone can present themselves at the border, or at any US consulate, and claim asylum. The case will then be judged according to law. There is absolutely zero need for anyone to attempt an illegal border crossing to obtain asylum. These people know that – they aren’t trying for asylum; they are trying for illegal entry. The kids are just in tow because word had got out that we were turning a blind eye to people who illegally crossed with kids. Now, we’re not doing that. And, so, anyone who is separated from their kids because they crossed the border illegally volunteered for that. Not our fault. Theirs.

      • Cluster June 19, 2018 / 7:35 am

        Mark why are you debating a false premise? “Trump’s family splitting policy” is as mind numbingly stupid as Casper is. And just like Amazona said, people like Casper could not care less about the American children killed in the womb or on the streets of Chicago so again there is really no point in even acknowledging the existence of liberals.

      • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 12:20 pm

        And if your side wants to run as the party that breaks up families, be my guest.

        Name a family that our side has “broken up”.

        Go ahead. We’ll wait. tick tock tick tock

        Of course, there are those families in which the adults have chosen to have their children separated from them. but that was their decision. At least have the integrity to put the blame where it belongs.

        (Oh, that’s right—-I’m talking to Casper. Never mind……)

        There is a sequence of events that leads to the sequestration of children from a jail population.

        First there is the decision to try to sneak across the US border, breaking the law in the process. That is a decision reached by the adults directly involved. It is voluntary.

        Then there is the decision to drag children along an a trip that is probably always difficult, usually dangerous, often lethal, and inevitably stressful. That is a decision reached by the adults directly involved. It is voluntary.

        When caught at the border, the adults have a choice—-they can choose to simply be returned home, which means immediate or at least prompt reunion with the children who were sequestered while the law-breaking parents were confined. That is a decision reached by the adults directly involved. It is voluntary.

        Or the adults can decide to claim they went to the border with the intent of claiming asylum. That is a decision reached by the adults directly involved. It is voluntary. It doesn’t make sense and is sure to fail, because to ask for asylum one goes directly to the border crossing officials, one doesn’t try to sneak across the border somewhere else and then just pull out the asylum card when caught, but this is a ploy often tried by those who get caught. That is a decision reached by the adults directly involved. It is voluntary.

        Once the adults make the choice to try to play the asylum card, they have also made the choice to remain in confinement until the more complicated issue of possible asylum is resolved, which of course is a choice to have the children remain sequestered from the jail population. That is a decision reached by the adults directly involved. It is voluntary.

        So we can see that every single step leading to the sequestration of children whose parents involved them in an attempted illegal border crossing was the full responsibility of the adults involved. These were decisions reached by the adults directly involved. They were voluntary.

        The wholly voluntary decisions made by the adults involved, the putative protectors of the children they dragged into the mess they created, presents the United States government with the problem of how to deal with the minor children left adrift in a strange nation, essentially abandoned by their irresponsible and selfish parents, who have made decision after decision leading to this point.

        That is, if a family IS “broken up” that is wholly due to the decisions made by the adults in the family. And that separation can be very temporary, or extended, again due to the decisions of the adults in the family—-do they go home, meaning immediate reunion with the children they claim to love so much, or do they claim asylum and in so doing force the government to care for their children for an extended length of time? Their choice.

        It is complicated by the fact that many of these adults are with children who are not their own, children to whom they are not related, children who have never been legally consigned to their care. There is, therefore, both a legal and moral requirement to make sure that the adults in the matter are not using the children for illegal or immoral purposes, are not victimizing the children, are not abusing the children, are not planning to sell the children into sex slavery or merely abandon them on American streets after gaining entrance into the country.

        The government has decided to deal with the problems of minor children at the border by providing safe, comfortable, care for them while the irresponsible adults are being dealt with as adults. The government realizes that the needs of children are important, and so facilities are built which offer care and protection, both physical and emotional, for these children who, through no fault of their own, have been subjected to such discomfort, fear, misery and danger by the various adults in their lives.

        Does this upset some of the adults? So what? They are there because of decisions THEY made. At this point, I really don’t care if these dishonest, selfish adults are happy or not. At this point all I care about is that the children who have already suffered due to the actions of these adults are safe, secure, housed, fed and protected.

        So yes, I will happily run on this policy. I will support it, I will defend it, and I will also try to explain it to the screeching hysterics who are either ignorant of the facts or simply don’t care.

      • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 12:26 pm

        One approach would be to simply deny, immediately and without any kind of hearing, any claim for asylum that does not go through proper channels, and immediately reunite all adults with children they can prove are really theirs, for immediate return home.

        I would approve of this approach. It would move things along a lot faster, for the legitimate claims for asylum, and it would solve the problem of extended sequestration of minor children during asylum hearings for people who clearly do not qualify.

        That would leave the government with the problem of children brought here by people who are not their parents. I’m sure the Caspers of the country would find something upsetting about that, as well, advocating instead for either leaving them with the adults who brought them to the border and not caring what happened to them afterward or even just dumping them on the streets to fend for themselves.

    • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 11:53 am

      Oh, dear, Casper, you silly twit. You go so much farther than simply doubling down on your stupidity.

      Did you question the source of the “information” upon which these alleged opinions were based? Of course not. That would be dangerous, because it would prove our point, of GIGO.

      And then it would illustrate your preference for the garbage going in, as you love the chance to experience the garbage going out.

      And you mindlessly parrot the false narrative of your minders—–“Trump’s family splitting policy”. There is no such “policy” of course, but people like you will never let the truth, or simple fairness, interfere with such a satisfying temper tantrum.

      We have given you fact after fact here, enough information to balance your blatant bias, and this latest post is proof you have simply ignored it all. Which is, by the way, exactly what we expected of you. You have never shown the slightest inclination toward fairness, toward actually acquiring information if it might conflict with your preferred narrative. That is, you have never shown the slightest inclination toward either intellectual honesty or simple morality.

      Because you can’t have true morality without truth. You have chosen a fake morality, a thin veneer of assumed moral purity, but as it is based on lies it can never be anything but a sad, pathetic imitation of the real thing. It’s like cheap jewelry—-there is real gold, of course, and then there is gold plating over base metal. Your “morality” doesn’t even rise to the level of plating—–it is more like a thin coat of spray paint from Ace Hardware, trying vainly to hide the corruption underneath.

      When you started posting on this thread, you got a slight nod as it was possible you just hadn’t been exposed to the truth. But after all the responses, the links and the explanations, your pathetic clinging to lies tells us that lies are what feel best in your mind, what taste best in your mouth. You find facts distasteful because of your allegiance to falsehood, and that tells us that there is something about the mindless hatred of the Left and its drumbeat of falsehood that appeals to the core of Casper, that resonates with the real you.

      Have fun with the kiddies. At least your toxic influence is now limited to your own family, and not corrupting innocent children in a school. But while you are playing with them, stop and think of how you would feel if, for some reason, your own children were jailed. Forget the question of whether they deserved to be jailed, forget for a moment the question of whether or not they exhibited gross parental negligence in dragging their children into harm’s way. Just for the sake of argument, assume that for some reason they have been put in jail till they can be arraigned and make bail.

      How would you want their minor children handled? Would you want them in that jail cell with their mother or with their father? Would you want them immersed in the noise, the profanity, the looming violence, the fear, the hostility of a jail cell? Or would you want them safe, in a homelike environment, where they were protected and cared for?

      If you are consistent, you would have to say toss the tykes into the jail along with the adults. If the adults want the kids there, then that is what should happen. Who cares what the experience might do to the children?

      And here we have the inner rot of the Left. It is never about the children. IT IS NEVER ABOUT THE CHILDREN. It is always about the adults. It is always about the pathologically selfish females who conceive children and then cruelly dispose of them because they are inconvenient. It is about the adults who ignore their parental responsibilities and drag their dependent children into harm’s way because they want something. It is about the parents who send their children off into the unknown because they might be useful in achieving a goal the parents want. It is about the adults who, when caught breaking the law, when arrested and confined, don’t give a rat’s ass about the welfare of the children they have dragged into their own dysfunctional melodrama, don’t care how traumatic it might be for them, still demand that the children be exposed to the same confinement they themselves have earned.

      And it is about the moral decay of people like you, who demand the same thing. There is no consideration on the Left for the children, because if there was, there would be celebration for a policy that removes these children from the traumatic conditions of arrest and confinement and makes sure they are protected, in a homelike environment with comfortable beds and kids to play with and toys and good food, supervised and cared for.

      None of you care about THE CHILDREN. All you care about is political advantage. All you care about is how can these children continue to be used to advance a political agenda.

      At least admit it. The sex traffickers are more honest than you are, Casper, They don’t piously mouth platitudes about wanting what is best for the children. They are up-front about their intent to use the children for their personal gain. It is you mealy-mouthed hypocrites who posture as being so caring, so moral, who show a face of concern FOR THE CHILDREN while the other face is all about using them, indifferent to the effects of this callous manipulation.

      And that utterly stupid and vile puppy reference was beneath even what we have come to expect from you, Casper. You are usually just as dumb as dirt, parroting the lies you love so much. This shows that you are striving for actual overt malice, and eager to invent lies of your own to feed your addiction to hatred and falsehood. We have always seen the stupid Casper, and now you have shown us the petty and malicious Casper.

  17. Cluster June 19, 2018 / 7:48 am

    It just dawned on me but there is a reason why so many progressives are hyper ventilating over “the children!!” – the Russia narrative has completely fallen apart. The FBI is criminal, the deep state is real and insidious, and the IG report decimated Mueller’s investigation. There is no where to go so …………. LET’S SCREAM ABOUT THE CHILDREN.

    Democrats have the intellect of endangered salmons so this was fairly easy to predict. On another note, Casper is spending our tax dollars at the beach, because he works SOOOOO hard as a pampered tenured government teacher. In other words, he is a drain on society just like the immigrant children. In fact I would rather pay for a child than Casper.

    • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 12:40 pm

      Oh, yeah, it is obvious that the Left needs a new narrative. And this fits the bill. It offers the chance for mindless Lefties (sorry for the redundancy) to do what they love to do—-invent a Higher Moral Ground, clamber up onto it over the bodies of the children they claim to be defending, and trumpet to the skies about their innate moral superiority.

      The problem with the invented Russia-collusion scheme is that it would always come down to whether or not it could be supported by fact. The hysteria could only go so far without an infusion of new information, real or invented, and it was bound to run out of steam.

      The ‘separation of loving families” theme, on the other hand, has legs. It has instant appeal to the bleeding hearts and the empty heads and it offers instant gratification. In other words, it is tailor-made for the Left. They might have had to pull it out earlier than they planned——it’s still uncomfortably close to actions by the Obama administration—-but it’s been lying there waiting till it was needed.

      The good thing is, I don’t think they have much else in their armory.

      I wish some billionaire would fund a two hour special on the reality of sequestered children at the border, at about the same time the government “bows to public opinion” and scraps most of the asylum program, replacing it with an instantaneous catch and release program—get picked up accompanied by children, prove they are yours, and get on the next bus headed south. Spend the night in the equivalent of a Motel 6 if necessary, with air mattresses for the kiddies and Big Macs all around, but get them all out of here as fast as possible.

      Do retinal scans and fingerprints of all of them first, including the kiddies, so none of them can ever come back here legally. Ever. Bag ’em, tag ’em, and send them home.

      Pay for the motel, pay for the food, pay for the buses. Just get them out of here, fast. And make it clear that the program is a direct response to the hysteria over sequestering children because their parents played the Asylum Card.

      The outrage and screeching over getting rid of most asylum requests would be almost as loud as the ones we are seeing now.

      That would just leave us with the unaccompanied minors, but slapping a major penalty on the adults in question would cool that tactic down in a hurry.

      And halt or at least severely restrict the sending of American dollars to other countries.

  18. Cluster June 19, 2018 / 8:08 am

    MSNBC Morning Joe and our modern day June Cleaver aka Mika Brezinski is actually playing the sounds of screaming children “being ripped away from their parents” – it was unverified, but they played it anyway.


    • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 12:43 pm

      Now, that’s not fair. June Cleaver was a nice woman. Mika is a pig.

      I want to know what the Left did to make those children scream like that. It sounds like an investigation is in order. I think Mueller might be available pretty soon.

  19. Retired Spook June 19, 2018 / 11:49 am

    Anyone surprised by this?

    Is a set of photos currently going viral showing children sleeping in cages at an immigration facility at Brownsville and Nogales the consequence of policies of the Trump administration? No, that’s not true: despite what many people are claiming on social media the photos date back to June 2014 when Barack Obama was still president. The photos themselves are real but they have nothing to do with Donald Trump.

    • Cluster June 19, 2018 / 12:01 pm

      Remember the caravans of migrants coming to border during the DACA debate and Democrats kept telling us that those were faked photos and that the border was “more secure than ever before”???

      Guess what – they lied again.

    • Cluster June 19, 2018 / 12:00 pm

      So you want the Church to get involved with the State?

      Are you still working hard at the beach Casper?

      • Retired Spook June 19, 2018 / 12:11 pm

        Too easy, isn’t it?

      • Cluster June 19, 2018 / 12:48 pm

        Yup …… I don’t think Casper thought that one through …. if in fact he thinks rather than just emote.

      • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 12:56 pm

        Casper never thinks anything through—–he just has uncontrollable spasms of knee-jerk reaction to what it tossed to him by his minders.

        Just be glad he is at a beach somewhere with fewer young minds to poison. In the meantime, his middle school in Casper has been breathing a sign of relief ever since they finally got rid of him. Parents no longer have to counsel their children to just ignore Mr. W and come to them for real facts about the Founders, the Constitution and history.

      • casper3031 June 19, 2018 / 12:58 pm

        No I don’t want the church to be involved with the state and in this case it isn’t. The church can’t put him in jail or take away his property. The most it can do is kick him out of the church. which considering that he isn’t a practicing Christian anyway shouldn’t be that big of a deal. I guess he could always join Westburo.
        No beach today. Going zip lining instead. I’ll be back on the water paddling tomorrow though and hitting a different beach Thursday. Great way to use y well earned money.

      • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 7:41 pm

        Meow. The only thing creepier than a catty man is a doddering catty old man. You really are a nasty snarling piece of work, aren’t you?

        Evidently you are the kind of “Christian” who takes it upon himself to judge the Christianity of others, while at the same time acting in a decidedly unChristian way himself. Libeling a good man is not in my own list of Christian characteristics, nor is lying about someone.

        Of course back in the day, when you were posturing as a Christian in the town of Casper Wyoming, you also routinely lied, and were an ardent supporter of a political system that, in its pursuit of power, denigrates religion and denies the existence of God, and when fully in power bans the practice of religion. It is a cruel and barbaric system that strips people of their liberties and dehumanizes them—-and you are an eager proponent of it.

        You got paid to put in hours, but many parents had to work long hours to undo the harm you tried to do to their children, with your strangely distorted teachings about history, particularly those centered on your dislike for the Founders and the form of government they set up. You had that same thin reedy snarl about the Constitution, too—–odd for such a fleshy man—-as you tried to convince your students that the Constitution supported slavery and was written to deny women the vote. Whatever you were paid, it was far too much, but as your goal was not to educate but to indoctrinate I supposed you did consider what you were paid “well earned” money if you managed to fool a child every now and then.

        Mostly you played with the kids who were socially marginal, because they were the only ones who were taken in by you. So you played your silly games with them and wooed them to boost your ego. To the other kids, you were a joke, trying to hang out with them and be cool, while you were in their minds just a clueless doofus.

        Fortunately, you tried your antics in a city in a state known for its political conservatism, and too many of the parents were too savvy to let your nonsense go unchallenged. And you remained blissfully unaware of how you were really seen by most of the parents and staff. You coasted on a tide of pity after your wife died, and then, fortunately for everyone in the school, you retired.

    • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 12:53 pm

      Poor sappy Casper. His family might not be quite ready to take away his car keys, but they really ought to take away his computer. He is proving to be a danger to himself.

      Specifically, the group accuses him of child abuse in reference to separating young children from their parents and holding them in mass incarceration facilities; immorality; racial discrimination and “dissemination of doctrines contrary to the established standards of doctrines” of The United Methodist Church.

      In other words, it is nothing more than incoherent hysterical claptrap, and being claimed by so-called Christians doesn’t add any credibility. But it’s exactly the kind of mindless stupidity that would attract and impress Casper. It reminds me of using bits of spoiled meat in fly traps. The bait stinks, but that is what draws in the flies, which feed on carrion.

      I take this for what it is—–an admission of frantic desperation on the part of the Left. And so I find it amusing. They really do telegraph their panic, don’t they?


  20. Retired Spook June 19, 2018 / 12:10 pm

    Does anyone know what happened to Stormy Daniels?

    • Cluster June 19, 2018 / 12:49 pm

      Her lawyer’s skeletons came out of the closet….but take heart. I hear her strip shows are sold out.

      • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 12:53 pm

        And another feeble Leftist narrative bites the dust.

      • Retired Spook June 19, 2018 / 1:25 pm

        Don’t you suppose that someone in the Democrat hierarchy decided that, given what Ms. Clifford does for a living, they might not want to keep their wagon hitched to her. Plus, it really was a coin flip to determine who what the bigger whore, she or her lawyer.

      • Retired Spook June 19, 2018 / 1:56 pm

        I hear her strip shows are sold out.

        You almost have to wonder if the whole thing was just a publicity stunt.

      • Amazona June 19, 2018 / 7:57 pm

        Do ya think? Actually, I think it was a hybrid extortion effort/publicity stunt/Leftist plot to discredit Trump.

  21. Retired Spook June 19, 2018 / 1:23 pm

    “The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.” Abraham Lincoln

    • Cluster June 19, 2018 / 2:11 pm

      What a great quote

  22. Retired Spook June 19, 2018 / 2:07 pm

    Perhaps what Trump should do is say, “I hear your concerns (Liberals) about the separation of families, and I’m ordering the transfer all the children that are temporarily being held in separate detention centers to the same facilities where their parents are being held.” End of controversy. OK with you, Casper?

  23. Cluster June 19, 2018 / 2:11 pm

    To all American and foreign men – you know how not to be separated from your family? DON’T COMMIT A CRIME.

    Any questions?

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