A Cave or a Tactical Retreat?

Did Trump cave? Time will tell. But, let’s look it over:

We were at an entire impasse. The Trumpist base was delighted with the shutdown and fully prepared to wait forever for the government to reopen. The Democrats were also delighted with the shutdown and fully prepared to wait until Trump agreed to a permanent spending bill with no wall. Neither side felt any desire to move – and, in fact, both sides faced the wrath of their own base if they did move. What was the end game on this?

Sure, Trump could have just continued with the shutdown and used emergency powers to build the wall. But, he said very clearly that he still may do that. Meanwhile, there are other things to do, none of them getting done if the shutdown goes on and on. Someone needed to take the Base Hit and move. Trump decided to move. He has said that he’ll give it a few weeks to see what the Democrats do, and then either return to a shutdown or just build the wall. Our real trouble here is that we don’t know what Trump fully has in mind, and as I’ve noted before, in the really crucial policy moves, there are no leaks from Team Trump.

There are things moving in the world, and while we all do feel delighted with the shutdown, there are things that we want done which are hampered by the shutdown. Then there is the thing of foreign and defense policy which can’t sit in suspension forever. The fast-moving situation in Venezuela once again informs us that we have to be nimble. Trump has a grave responsibility as President and I don’t think it would have been wise to just keep going and going and going. He showed that he’s ok with it – longest shutdown in US history, after all – but, in the end, when you’ve reached an impasse, you have to do something different if you want to break it.

I’m in the position of trusting Trump’s instincts on this. If it was a mistake, then that will just have to be endured. But if Trump has something up his sleeve (perhaps inside knowledge of coming events which will make the shutdown moot?), then we all might wind up very pleased after all is said and done.

We’ll just have to wait.

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50 thoughts on “A Cave or a Tactical Retreat?

  1. Frank Lee (@trumpcowboy) January 26, 2019 / 12:05 am

    Totally agree. One other thing to consider. I think Trump wants results, not just to win the spin. He wants to win the war. The Democrat’s position makes absolutely no sense (walls are immoral?) but they were in a box where Nancy couldn’t give any ground because their base is insane.

    If in the end, it turns out Trump allowed Nancy to declare “victory” to keep her base happy, and we end up with some real boarder security (fence rather than wall) and Nancy continues to claim victory but the boarder crisis is solved, I’m fine with that. The Democrats are insane, let them continue to be delusional, just fix the problem.

    The Democrats keep pretending Trump supporters will be satisfied with nothing less that the Great Wall of China crossing mountains and rivers. No, we just want to stop people from walking easily into the United States. I’ll be fine with a solid fence and electronic protections over rivers and mountains. And while it will be irritating to hear Democrats say, “Trump didn’t get a wall” I can live with it if it solves the problem. If it doesn’t solve the problem, then guess what we get to say?

  2. JeremiahTMM January 26, 2019 / 2:36 am

    This guy writes this on twitter…

    “For all of you triggered about what comes next for Trump ..IMPRISONMENT, IMPEACHMENT OR WORSE…WAKE UP! There is no rule of Law when the Deep State is running things. The ship has sIled and writing is on the Wall. Major players are going down Next followed by Trump. Pray for this country and pray for our President.” -CG

    Like a lot of people, I believe Trump can get done what he promises, because he has an iron will. But like CG writes, you know, President Trump is surrounded by a lot of people, who know a lot, and who have a lot of bad will towards him. Namely people in the CIA, along with the Democrats. He is sitting in the middle of a pit of vipers.

    The important thing is that we support the President with everything we have in us, especially when it comes to securing our nation’s borders. We need Wall rallies all over the country in the hundreds of thousands telling the Democrats back off, and keep their traps shut.

  3. Cluster January 26, 2019 / 8:30 am

    It’s just a shame more Americans will die while Democrats play politics. That’s all. Of course NY Democrats just passed a bill to legally kill American children and the manner in which they govern SF and Chicago will kill those kids eventually so just another day living with our dystopian democrat progressives.

    This shouldn’t surprise anyone.

  4. Cluster January 26, 2019 / 8:46 am

    And I will say that the raid of Roger Stone yesterday is police state type stuff – exactly what the dystopian progressives love. A no knock, 6am, armed entry arrest on a 67 year old man for a process crime??? With cameras in tow??

    Who wants to live in that kind of world?

    And of course it needs to be mentioned that Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills admitted to being guilty of the exact same thing but for some reason, there was no armed confrontation with those two. Weird.

    • Amazona January 26, 2019 / 11:24 am

      Of course it is police state stuff, just as it was when they pulled the same stunt with Manafort. At this point it is just association with Trump that has people fearing the midnight knock on the door, but that is true only because the bully-boy Left hasn’t succeeded in taking Trump down yet so he is their main focus and because he is still the head of the Executive Branch.

      So we already have the heavily armed SWAT teams in the middle of the night, we already have the Star Chamber inquisition, we already have leaders and mobs of the Left demanding purity of thought with the threat of the Thought Police backing them up and we have a sizable number of legislators and nearly every single Dem presidential hopeful openly arguing for socialism. And it only took us 10 years to get here, after the coronation of our first radical Leftist president and his promise to “fundamentally transform” our country.

      Right now it seems that the ONLY thing standing between us and a total coup by the Left is Donald Trump. We have a nominal majority in the Senate, but it includes wimps like the terribly disappointing Cory Gardner and Ben Sasse, both of whom are good at expounding on their commitment to Constitutional governance but when it comes to acting on that principle—-meh. They are OK with Constitutional government but more concerned with their dislike for the president, so the welfare of the nation is not their top priority.

    • Retired Spook January 26, 2019 / 12:24 pm

      Not only were Huma and Cheryl not arrested in a dawn SWAT raid; not only were they not prosecuted — THEY RECEIVED IMMUNITY!!! There’s lots of evidence that we have a two-tiered justice system, but no stronger evidence than that.

      On the topic of the post, there are a few purists like Ann Coulter who think Trump caved. If this was the FINAL deal, then I’d agree. Let’s see what happens 3 weeks from now. I still think Trump is a lot smarter than most of his adversaries give him credit for, and I also think that most of his adversaries are not nearly as smart as they like to think they are. Stay tooned! (yeah I know – misspelled on purpose because this whole thing is such a cartoonish clown show.)

      • Amazona January 26, 2019 / 6:41 pm

        I agree, Spook, about the foolishness of seeing this as the end result of the standoff.

        What I saw happening was a dawning realization that the Dems were the speed bumps in this process, and then Trump did two very significant things. First, he made that speech, which laid out the problem and the situation regarding the Dem refusal to even talk. I thought it was a powerful speech. And then he pulled the rug out from under them by giving them the illusion of a victory so he could be seen as the hero in getting those employees paid for the pay they missed and having three weeks of future pay to count on. If he had done this without making the speech first it might have had a different feel, but given the timing and what happened yesterday I think he outplayed the Left—he let the nation know who was really responsible for the shutdown and then he was the bigger man in trying to resolve the problem and being the one to compromise.

        Schumer, being Schumer, had to strut around and brag about teaching Trump a lesson, and I find it hard to think that played well except with the hard-core spiteful and nasty, like Casper and Fielding. But he was snide and snarky and the thing is, it was obvious that Trump acted for the people, which should not be portrayed as a loss, though that is how Schumer played it.

        Put another way, Trump acted in the best interests of the nation and Schumer made it clear it was always about besting Trump no matter who suffered and that the compromise was not about helping American workers but all about “teaching Trump a lesson”. We’ll have to see how that plays out, but I’m guessing Trump will play that card hard and often, to his great benefit.

      • Amazona January 26, 2019 / 8:32 pm

        THEY RECEIVED IMMUNITY ! and can you have immunity without a crime to call for protection from its consequences? And doesn’t immunity depend on going along with the agreement? Seems to me I remember that they then broke the agreement.

      • M. Noonan January 26, 2019 / 10:35 pm

        That was a gigantic scam! And it showed to all paying attention that we have a two-tiered justice system.

  5. Cluster January 26, 2019 / 8:59 am

    Let’s clear things up

    Mueller was appointed by Rod Rosenstein not to investigate Trump collusion with Russia. The principals all knew that was not remotely true. He was appointed to conceal and obliterate the volumes of evidence of crimes committed by Hillary Clinton; her campaign; and a group of higher-ups in the FBI, DOJ, and CIA, all of whom were involved in a scheme to prevent Trump from being elected. All of them have lied under oath and before Congress. Mueller himself was involved in the Clinton scheme to sell 20% of U.S. uranium to Russia.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/roger_stones_swat_team_arrest_are_we_even_america_anymore.html#ixzz5diaC0z98

    • Amazona January 26, 2019 / 11:36 am

      Mueller was appointed to conceal and obliterate the volumes of evidence of crimes committed by Hillary Clinton; her campaign; and a group of higher-ups in the FBI, DOJ, and CIA, all of whom were involved in a scheme to prevent Trump from being elected.

      He hasn’t been able to wipe the memory of these crimes from the public memory, and we can only hope he has not been able to destroy the evidence. But he has the Left standing guard outside the door while he tries. The biggest thing, though is the fact that a…group of higher-ups in the FBI, DOJ, and CIA, all of whom (were) involved in a scheme to prevent Trump from being elected. All of them have lied under oath and before Congress. Mueller himself was involved in the Clinton scheme to sell 20% of U.S. uranium to Russia and Mueller was also involved neck-deep in the FISA fraud upon the court and subsequent spying on American citizens for political gain.

      The Left has carefully, and with the help of the always-reliable Complicit Agenda Media, set up a minefield around Mueller where Trump does not dare to tread. That is, the land mines of accusations of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE !!! that would blow up if he were to do anything to halt this stalling effort by Mueller. And stalling effort is the only way to describe it. Mueller knows that his fate, and that of his co-conspirators, is on the line here, and the only thing standing between them and prosecution for serious crimes (NOT just petty process crimes) is this minefield.

      One thing has disappeared from public discussion, and that is the fact that while Mueller was running the FBI and Christopher Steele was using Dem money to pay a Russian agent to concoct a fake dossier intended to swing the election away from Trump, the FBI was also paying Steele. That little factoid was skimmed over when it surfaced and it has since disappeared. At that time there was a feeble effort to imply that Steele was being paid by our government, through the FBI, for something other than dealing with a foreign agent to subvert our electoral system but the whole thing was smothered under a barrage of words about Trump trying to obstruct justice and it quickly got swept under the same rug Mueller and the rest of the Left are hoping will end up hiding their other crimes as well.

      BUT…..attention has skillfully been shifted away from Bob Barr, who is the biggest threat the Dems now face, to the strutting and posturing of Chuck and Nan. Hmmmm.

  6. Cluster January 26, 2019 / 9:18 am

    What a sad state of affairs:

    ….in a letter to parents Most Rev. Roger Foys apologized to Covington families and to anyone offended by either statement. Foys says the diocese was ‘bullied’ and reacted ‘prematurely’, The Cincinnati Enquirer reports. He wrote: ‘We should not have allowed ourselves to be bullied and pressured into making a statement prematurely, and we take full responsibility for it.

    They weren’t bullied. They wanted to be politically correct and avoid the progressive mobs. The only problem we have in America is spineless, morally confused, weak men. Just like Casper.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6634383/Kentucky-bishop-apologizes-reaction-viral-encounter.html

    • Amazona January 26, 2019 / 11:43 am

      The Church has a major internal conflict. It, like the United States itself, is watching warring factions fight for control. The Left made big strides in the politics of the Church, with the storm troopers of the Jesuits (formerly the warriors of Christ, now the lickspittles of the Left) eating away at it from within and a very Liberal Pope at its head.

      This diocese WAS bullied if it acted to, as you said, “avoid the progressive mobs”. The apology and retraction was limp and self-serving, but it is at least an acknowledgment of the pressures put upon the diocese to get in line and become part of the mob instead of just another target. And, critical as I am of Church leadership at this point, I can also understand to some extent the fears that accompany the attacks on the Church and the desire to avoid looking like apologists for bad behavior and thereby attracting more of the same. The Church did cover up a lot of bad behavior and some are now bending over backward to avoid being seen as doing it again.

      But—-tough. Stand up for what is right, and do the right thing.

  7. Cluster January 26, 2019 / 10:08 am

    Does this sound familiar? Because it should.

    Hugo Chavez succeeded in re-writing the Constitution, which came with new rights to things like free government-provided health care, college, and “social justice”. The constitution passed a popular vote easily, with 72% of the vote.

    The basic structure of both the old and new constitutions followed the U.S. model – with a Presidency, a legislative branch, and a Supreme Court.

    However, after several Supreme Court rulings went against Chavez, in 2004 he “stacked the court” by passing a law to add 12 new justices to it – justices that he got to pick.

    A similar move was once proposed in the United States by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and the idea has also been proposed recently by professors angry about President Trump’s nomination of Justice Brett Kavanaugh to the court.

    Only once Chavez had control of the courts and the legislature did he begin to fully advance socialist policies.

    “A series of changes started to show us the terrifying truth,” Giannina Raffo said. “Constant attacks on private property, the implementation of very harmful economic policies, criminalization of dissent, censorship, etc,”

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/how-socialism-turned-venezuela-from-the-wealthiest-country-in-south-america-into-an-economic-basket-case

    • Amazona January 26, 2019 / 11:53 am

      Wow. Change a name every now and then and this is describing the United States, either where we are now or where the Left is trying to herd us: free government-provided health care and free college and “social justice” and new rights and control by popular vote and wanting to stack the Supreme Court to use the court for political purposes and control of the courts and the legislature and constant attacks on private property, the implementation of very harmful economic policies, criminalization of dissent, censorship, etc,. It’s a Dem wish list, with some already in motion.

      But AOC explains that she is not talking about THIS kind of socialism, because HER kind is “democratic”. She seems unaware that Hugo Chavez was elected, which makes HIS kind of socialism “democratic”.

      • Cluster January 26, 2019 / 12:47 pm

        This article is chilling. Every “dream” the Democrat progressives currently have, leads to dystopia and yet they think it will somehow be “different this time”

      • Retired Spook January 26, 2019 / 1:09 pm

        Every “dream” the Democrat progressives currently have, leads to dystopia

        I have to confess to not having seen too many dystopia-themed movies or read the books on which most of them are based, but I’ve been exposed to enough to know what they’re all based on. They seem to be very popular with Gen-Xers and Millennials, which begs the question, why so many from those two generations believe as they appear to do. Do they honestly believe that “this time it will be different: because THEY will be the ones leading it, and THEIR motives are pure? Is that what they’re learning in school? Is that what you taught your students, Casper?

        The one constant that seems to dominate dystopian stories is the inability of central authorities to extinguish the flame of liberty in a small percentage of the population. And in America, the flame of liberty is exceptionally strong and bright because we’ve never known anything else. I understand the romanticism of a young person thinking they will be part of the resistance in such a society, but I don’t understand how such a society appeals to anyone except a select few who think they will be part of the leadership. Part of me wishes I’d be around to be part of the resistance, and part of me is glad that I won’t.

      • Amazona January 26, 2019 / 6:44 pm

        I’ve been very frustrated that no one on the Right has taken advantage of the popularity of those movies to point out the similarity between the tyrannical governments that the young heroes fight against and the tyrannical history of Leftism. Some kids are smart enough to connect the dots, and hopefully others will start to catch on.

        And the Left is holding its collective breath, hoping they don’t, and will just be sucked in by the next shiny thing Hollywood dangles in front of them.

      • Retired Spook January 26, 2019 / 1:40 pm

        If America does end up with some kind of dystopian future, you can bet that it will be led by this guy or someone like him.

  8. jdge1 January 26, 2019 / 10:55 pm

    It appears there are several Democrats, especially freshman Democrats willing to buck Pelosi and discuss the wall funding “once Trump ends the shutdown”. This could easily be one of the things Trump is testing to see if the short-term end of the shutdown is enough for these Democrats push the agenda forward. Nothing better than to put the menacing topic of boarder security back in the lap of the left.

  9. Cluster January 27, 2019 / 8:43 am

    So some good news and maybe even some better news this morning. The good news is that HuffPo and BuzzFeed laid off close to 1,000 “journalists” on Friday. Real world implications for being horrible at your job, something of which politicians, federal workers, and school teachers (hi Casper), never have to worry about. The better news is that Walmart is hiring truckers so these “journalists” may not be on unemployment too long and may have a job better suited for their skill sets. What’s that saying? When God closes one door, he opens another?

  10. Retired Spook January 27, 2019 / 9:09 am

    Democrats (and some Republicans) have been promising to enact comprehensive immigration reform and enhance border security for over 30 years. Anyone have even the slightest bit of confidence that they’re suddenly going to come to some kind of agreement in the next 3 weeks? Yeah, me neither.

    • Cluster January 27, 2019 / 9:29 am

      Well let’s see … the majority of the people in Congressional leadership in both parties have been in Washington for well over 20 years and they have been talking about immigration reform the entire time, so I think the answer is a firm ….. NO. There is just too much money and power to be had and campaigns to be won with this issue hanging in the balance so politicians and lobbyists have little incentive to get it done. Trump is the only one who cares about the country. Our elected representatives care more about their next campaign.

      • Amazona January 27, 2019 / 10:19 am

        I have to say, I still haven’t seen a bill or even an idea I found remotely reasonable.

        I don’t see why we can’t agree to set up a registration system for all who are here illegally, to give them temporary legal status until they have been investigated. If they have broken our laws then they should not be allowed to stay—clearly, some small offenses might not disqualify, but anything significant should. Add a law saying that being here without registering is a felony with automatic jail time followed by deportation, with a longer sentence if the person returns after deportation. Those who know they will not pass the investigation will self-deport, to a large extent, and many of those who do not will eventually be picked up and deported. But those who qualify would be safe, secure and have legal status, and that is what the Left CLAIMS they want for them.

        With temporary legal status until passing an investigation, followed by long-term work visas or even permanent residency for honest, hard working people who are willing to pay allegiance to the United States (a condition for staying here, and which would probably offend many Dems who can’t do that themselves even though they were born here) I think we could address the problem of those who love this country and seriously want to make it their home but came here illegally. We have to take some responsibility for the fact that we encouraged this and allowed it and turned a blind eye to it for so long.

        It would kick out the criminals and slackers and moochers. It would beef up the ability to control immigration. I would not include that beloved “path to citizenship”—-we should not reward illegality and we should make citizenship harder to get, not easier.

        For those “Dreamers”, allow them to become citizens if they serve honorably in any branch of our military. Let them earn that citizenship, and merely being brought here and not wanting to leave is hardly “earning” anything. I would extend that option to anyone who has registered and been found acceptable.

        In the meantime, as usual the Right is clumsy and impotent when it comes to messaging. I think if we were to describe the wall/fence as not intended to keep people OUT but a way to ensure that everyone who comes in can be screened first, as at a port of entry, it might remove some of the stigma the Left has tried to attach to it.

  11. jdge1 January 27, 2019 / 10:16 am

    So let me get this straight. We can’t have the SOFU because of security concerns with the government shutdown. Now that the shutdown has been temporary lifted Pelosi says the SOFU is still not scheduled for Tuesday? You think she ever intends to allow it to happen in the House chambers? This sure seems like another feather in Trump’s hat by allowing the shutdown to be lifted on a temp. basis. Either the SOFU will go on quickly so he can get his message out to the people with Pelosi sitting in her high chair grimacing -OR- Pelosi continues to pout and throws more worthless reasons to prevent it.

  12. Cluster January 27, 2019 / 2:52 pm

    I just heard that there were 29 armed FBI agents and 17 vehicles sent to arrest a 66 year old man for perjury ….

    Sounds about right.

    • JeremiahTMM January 27, 2019 / 7:23 pm

      Sieg Heil Müller! Heil Müller!

    • JeremiahTMM January 27, 2019 / 7:30 pm

      The FBI is our modern day gestapo, the gestapo in Germany was the secret police, they listened to people’s conversations secretly to tell if they were saying things against the dictator. And if they were, they took them to the concentration camps, and starved them to death, and then added their body to the rest of the bodies in the pits they made for dead bodies.

  13. Cluster January 28, 2019 / 8:58 am

    Re: NY’s new abortion law, let’s all remember that these are the people who were concerned about separating families at the border:

    ……”It allows for any health care practitionary that’s licensed or authorized … to perform an abortion, so it doesn’t have to be a physician. And it removes all restrictions at all for any type of abortion at any time for any reason.”

    Ironic isn’t it? On top of that, the doctor who is speaking out against the law is now receiving death threats. How long before the left just openly advocates killing those who they oppose? It’s not like it hasn’t happened before.

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2019/01/27/fnc-highlights-extreme-ny-law-legalizing-late-term-abortion

    • Retired Spook January 28, 2019 / 9:14 am

      How long before the left just openly advocates killing those who they oppose?

      That’s a giant leap in a society that has never known totalitarianism. It would take a substantial portion of both our military and, at the very least, federal law enforcement siding with the Left to even contemplate such a move on a national scale. I just don’t see that happening, certainly not in the foreseeable future.

      OTOH, we may see prosecutions for FACECRIMES.

      • Amazona January 28, 2019 / 10:58 am

        Spook, I think that when our society is willing to tolerate open solicitation for assault and even killing it is closer than you think.

        Of course, given the complicity of the Agenda Media we don’t KNOW how much outrage was expressed by the public when the New Black Panthers offered a bounty on the head of George Zimmerman, or how most people took it when Black Lives Matter openly encouraged the ambushing and killing of law enforcement officers. But the country seemed unconcerned about these open solicitations of murder. We constantly hear of death threats against people on the Right for Thought Crimes.

        I’m not sure we are as far away as you think. Oh, I think that if the Left did go that far, there would be serious pushback and at that time the nation would rise to stop it, but once you have nodded approval at the sight of the president’s bloody head being carried around by a triumphant sadist you are not that far from finding nothing wrong with the idea that he might actually be killed, because you don’t want him to be the president.

        We are a lot closer to Banana Republic governing by coup than I like. Right now the effort is a bloodless coup, but underlying it is seething rage and incitement to take all the way to violence and death, and far too many Americans are tolerating this if not overtly encouraging it.

      • Amazona January 28, 2019 / 11:05 am

        Regarding Facecrime, we are there.

        When I saw the pictures of that boy, I didn’t see a “smirk” but a nervous smile on the face of a boy who had been taught to respect his elders and was trapped in a situation he was not prepared to handle. I saw it as courage and dignity under fire.

        And it has been bizarre and even a little terrifying to see that portrayed as the basis for hatred and threats of violence.

        As I have said before, George Orwell has moved from “author” to “prophet”. But what no one expected is how many people see the prophecy and find nothing wrong with it.

        If rank and file Democrats don’t stand up and push back against the rabid Left and say these tactics and these ideas that anyone who does not agree with them must be punished they will continue to be seen as the enablers they are, and cast as rabidly radical Leftists even if they don’t share the sentiments but are too morally weak to walk away.

      • Retired Spook January 28, 2019 / 11:31 am

        But what no one expected is how many people see the prophecy and find nothing wrong with it.

        I think that is the aspect of modern day American that bothers me the most, although I also think there’s a HUGE chasm between death threats and corpses piled up in the street. The radical Left simply doesn’t have the courage or the resources to make that happen without complete compliance by the military and law enforcement, and if you take the entire trigger pulling portion of all elements of the military as well as federal, state and local law enforcement, the number pales in comparison to the number of well armed private citizens who would lay down their lives without hesitation to preserve the greatest experiment in self government the world has ever seen. OTOH, if Congressman Eric Swalwell succeeds in getting the military to nuke middle America, then all bets are off.

      • Amazona January 28, 2019 / 12:47 pm

        I agree that there is a vast chasm between death threats and corpses piled up in the street. There is a smaller chasm between a couple of dead cops in the street and more corpses piled up in the street, and what concerns me is the lack of concern about having our law enforcement officers openly targeted for assassination and then seeing some of them actually gunned down. I think that narrows the gulf between tolerating threats and tolerating the killing of people who don’t have the correct way of thinking.

        Just look at how quickly the American public became so cowed by taunts of being “racist” that it now can tolerate race-based killings as long as the newly protected black race is doing the killing. In too many cases this has gone beyond threats into actual murder.

        This is a natural evolution of the acceptance of different laws for different groups of people. A harbinger of total tyranny is the imposition of different laws, and different punishments, for people based on their race, ethnicity, position in the political power struggle, position or wealth.

      • Retired Spook January 28, 2019 / 12:43 pm

        I’m guessing whoever said they wanted to throw the Covington kid in a wood chipper wouldn’t say that to his (or his parents’) face. I understand there’s a lot of hate out there on the Left, but translating that into actions is something else entirely. I’m not saying there won’t be some fringe Leftists who won’t go off the deep end like the nutjob who shot Steve Scalise did, but I don’t believe government is going to sanction it until we get a lot farther down the rabbit hole than we are. Meanwhile, we need to do everything humanly possible to slow or stop our descent.

      • Amazona January 28, 2019 / 1:09 pm

        Meanwhile, we need to do everything humanly possible to slow or stop our descent.

        Short of using the same violent tactics the Left uses, the only thing I can think of is to find a way to make the haters have skin in the game. That is, make them stand behind their hate and their rhetoric and their threats, and the best way to do that is to employ the same tactics the federal government is using to bully people into saying whatever they have to say to avoid being financially ruined by the expenses of defending themselves against false accusations.

        Sue their asses off.

        When you are sued, whether it is a valid suit or not, you have to hire a lawyer to defend yourself. One aspect of a lawsuit is that wild accusations and speculations are then, at least usually, subjected to the scrutiny of reality—-of proof, of evidence.

        I don’t believe an actor is considered a public figure with any protections associated with his spouting of incitements to violence, so I would sue the “actor” who called this kid such vile names and outlined vicious sadistic actions he wanted to see used against him. I’d sue any online platform that allows this kind of incitement to violence for conspiracy in publishing it, and indict them for conspiracy to commit libel. I’d subpoena the identities of those who do this anonymously. I’d sue individuals for slander and for libel. I’d make it dangerous to spout the kind of vile vicious spewing of hate we constantly see from these disgusting people. If they want to play the game they should have to pay the price of admission.

        Before the American Civil Liberties Union became the American Criminal Liberties Union, they represented a force to be called on to protect the civil liberties of Americans. It’s time to create a new such force. I for one would donate to it. I think a lot of people would.

        And in lawsuits I would call on some of these loudmouth purveyors of hate as witnesses, so someone like Alyssa Milano could sit in the witness chair and explain why she feels entitled to call people names and accuse them of horrible things just because they have a different political viewpoint than she does. Come to think of it, I don’t think I have ever heard her explain an actual POLITICAL viewpoint, just a barrage of intellectual sewage consisting of hate. Push these people to explain an actual POLITICAL foundation for their superficial howlings, and it won’t take long to show that they HAVE no actual political foundations but are just attention-seeking media whores getting praise for being awful people.

        I would NOT have protests and demonstrations, but instead make public statements that these have become forms of mobs and that is territory now firmly owned by the Left—start to set up the awareness that these ARE riots, ARE mobs, and to be part of them is to be part of a radical and increasingly violent Left. If we want rallies, they should be in the form of more controlled and formal venues, like in stadiums, showing restraint along with passion and always setting an example of decency and civility. The TEA Parties did a good job of this. Trump rallies went too far in the direction of the mob, and should be reined in and focus on solid sane positions and not emotional support for Trump the Man but instead for the general rule of law.

        Make the squishies who call themselves “moderates” because they are too lazy or cowardly to take a stand finally have to get off the bubble and make a decision—to be for the rabble or for law and civility.

    • JeremiahTMM January 28, 2019 / 1:39 pm

      How long before the left just openly advocates killing those who they oppose?

      They’ve already done that….Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Lavoy Finicum.

      Barack Obama, Director Comey, Loretta Lynch, and the Clinton’s staged Lavoy Finicum’s assassination, they murdered him in cold blood. Shot him three times in the back just for having an opinion of patriotism. He was a good man that loved God, his family, and he loved to teach young people.

      Most of these events, including the one staged at Roger Stone’s house are events designed to test ordinary, law-abiding citizens, to see if they will fight back, to see how easy it will be to institute tyranny on a mass scale.

      These have all been opportunities for the people to stand for freedom, but no one did anything. So now the Feds are being emboldened by Americans lack of courage to stand up to them.

      Only through blood and suffering will we ever secure the Constitution and the freedoms that it affords all Americans.

      • Amazona January 28, 2019 / 3:40 pm

        So now the Feds are being emboldened by Americans lack of courage to stand up to them.

        The Feds still in office, that is. And Trump is trying to weed them out. His speed bump is Mueller, whose ongoing pretense at investigating Trump, fueled by his desperate wandering far afield to find or create process crimes he can charge any Trump associate with is providing cover for the remaining Deep State people.

        Because Stone is connected to Trump in the public eye, Trump can’t use his position as head of the Executive Branch and therefore the boss of the FBI to rein in FBI excesses related to anyone like this. Mueller, and his minders, know this, so now is when they have to ramp up their political theater, creating the fantasy that Trump’s associates are a danger to the Republic and call for severe measures to contain them.

        Once Mueller’s activities are ended, the protection provide by those activities will end, and hopefully at that time, with Trump at the head and Barr running the AG office we will have a purge of the corrupt who have been abusing power for political gain. Until then, we will have the Mueller Reign of Terror rampaging through the ranks of any prominent person who supported Trump.

      • JeremiahTMM January 28, 2019 / 4:00 pm

        with Trump at the head and Barr running the AG office we will have a purge of the corrupt who have been abusing power for political gain.

        I don’t know if I would put much faith in Barr. I don’t know how good he will do while in office, but from what I’ve heard he is good friends with Mueller, and he was not in favor of the whole “Russian Collusion” witch hunt, but has since flipped to “in favor” of the investigation. And as he was a member of the CIA back in the day.

        I’m just wondering, more or less, and not going to speculate or accuse him of siding with the Mueller coup, but like you know, in Washington DC, money talks. Mueller is essentially getting paid taxpayer millions to use the Constitution as his toilet tissue.

      • Amazona January 29, 2019 / 9:10 pm

        You are concerned that Barr has since flipped to “in favor” of the investigation but I suggest waiting to see what that means.

        I watched part of his hearing and have read some transcripts and I am not so sure Mueller can count on Barr to have his back. I think Barr was very careful in the way he answered, and managed to leave room for the Left to interpret a lot of what he said to mean what they want it to mean, which would lead to his approval. But I always saw room for interpretation.

        I always remember the one time I answered a poll question. It was “do you approve or disapprove of President Bush’s immigration plan?” and my answer was that I disapproved. I expected a followup question, where I could explain that I disapproved because I didn’t think it was strong enough, but there was no followup, so my answer was included in the number of people who supposedly thought the plan was too strong.

        Barr can’t come out and say he doesn’t approve of the “investigation” and be approved, and he knows that. He has already made his feelings known, and now he is just saying he thinks it should continue. But he doesn’t say for how long, and he doesn’t say why.

        I might respond in a way that indicates I approve of the investigation if I say I think it should continue, without volunteering that I think it should continue because ending it now would have serious consequences for the president and I think it should only continue for another six weeks. He was not asked why, or for how long.

      • JeremiahTMM January 29, 2019 / 9:57 pm

        Yes, that’s fine. We’ll just have to wait and see. If he doesn’t do the right thing then he will be out, and if he does the right thing, then the more the better. I am mainly concerned for President Trump’s safety, and finishing his term. And Lord willing, his second term. I suspect though that Mueller will rap things up with an indictment of the President. People will really be up in arms then.

      • Amazona January 30, 2019 / 1:24 am

        You can’t indict without a crime. So far I haven’t heard about anything criminal. Lots the Left claims is criminal, but nothing that really qualifies.

        Even if Trump personally contacted people in Russia and asked if they had dirt on Hillary, that is not a crime. Even if he asked someone in Russia to publish dirt they had on Hillary, there is no law against that. No one is claiming that he paid an actual agent of the Russian government to concoct a series of lies intended to harm Trump in his campaign, which is far worse than the vague implication that he or someone in his campaign talked, through two or three middlemen, to someone connected with WikiLeaks, which is then implicated as being connected to or friendly with Russia. That is dangerous territory for Mueller, especially as when he was head of the FBI the FBI was also making payments to the man the Dems hired to work with a Russian agent to create a pack of lies to harm Trump.

        You can’t have obstruction of justice without a crime and investigation to obstruct. Everyone involved agrees that Trump had been told he was not under investigation for anything, so he could not have obstructed an investigation into anything he did.

        I don’t believe Trump lied to law enforcement or Congress.

        The Loony Left claims that Trump asked Russia to hack Hillary’s emails. He did not, he joked that if they did they would probably have better luck finding those missing emails than the FBI had, but her server had already been hacked. We all knew that by then.

        It is not a violation of any law to pay someone to keep quiet about a personal matter like an affair. The claim that he violated campaign finance laws is insane. He used his own money.

        The Left has a long list of things they desperately want to be crimes committed by Trump, but so far I have not heard of anything he did or even was accused of doing that would hold water.

        Also, Mueller’s very position is questionable, as the law allows for a Special Prosecutor to be appointed only to investigate specifically named crimes, and that did not happen. Read “Russia Hoax” by Greg Jarrett.

      • JeremiahTMM January 30, 2019 / 1:47 am

        I will check it out. I would also like to read Mr. Stone’s book The Myth of Russian Collusion. That’s the only reason they arrested him, you see, is because of his book, they don’t want him to have free speech like they don’t want most Conservative people to have free speech. As matter of fact, YouTube is taking away free speech from their website. They only want people who toe the leftist secular line.

        President Trump has done nothing wrong , and he is helping our economy, he is appointing good Conservative judges to the Supreme Court, and soon we will have another, and this is what is cooking the Left’s brain. Now they are backing us up against a wall, and they are planning dreadful things for this country.

        Mr. Mueller has made himself judge, jury, and executioner, in other words, a dictator, and he’s wanting to find something, anything … It doesn’t have to even be a crime, he can just make something up out of whole cloth to get President Trump removed from office, to which I say, he will have made an irrevocable mistake.

        I’m telling you he had best not try it. The Democrats better not try it either. They can’t escape the jaws of the giant.

  14. Amazona January 28, 2019 / 3:50 pm

    Remember Casper’s gloating that the tide is turning, the country is moving farther and farther Left and soon will take over? How he and people like Fielding represent the future of the country?

    Yet less than a year ago, according to the L.A. Times, this was hardly the case:

    A 2018 Gallup poll found that 35 percent of Americans described themselves as conservative and another 35 percent as moderate. Only 26 percent claimed to be liberal.

    A coherent conservative voice can widen those gaps considerably by linking “conservatism” to POLITICAL beliefs, not just social or “moral” issues and accurately defining “Liberal”.

    So far Dems have gained a lot of that “moderate” vote by posturing as reasonable, and mostly as the Good Guys up against racist homophobic mean greedy Republicans. And we have let them do it, because we have no coherent voice.

    Any reasonable person is going to think “Wait a minute—what does believing in governing according to the Constitution, reducing the amount of power in the federal government and returning it to the states, have to do with judging people by the color of their skin? That doesn’t make sense!” Or he will if it is put to him like that. But the response from the Right, when there IS one, is a feeble “no we’re not”.

    And so on…….

    But now the Left has become so sure of itself that it has abandoned the “reasonable” charade, and is openly and viciously unreasonable. Trump got Pelosi and Schumer to show their true colors, basically admitting that all they cared about was denying Trump a victory more than protecting the nation or helping those federal workers, and I hope he keeps doubling down on that message. But he can’t do it alone.

  15. Cluster January 28, 2019 / 4:35 pm

    LOVE IT !!!

    Our national press is a national joke. Vain, languid, excitable, morbid, duplicitous, cheap, insular, mawkish, and possessed of a chronic self-obsession that would have made Dorian Gray blush, it rambles around the United States in neon pants, demanding congratulation for its travails. Not since Florence Foster Jenkins have Americans been treated to such an excruciating example of self-delusion. The most vocal among the press corps’ ranks cast themselves openly as “firefighters” when, at worst, they are pyromaniacs and, at best, they are obsequious asbestos salesmen.

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2019/01/28/must-read-nros-cooke-offers-devastating-takedown-liberal-media

    • Amazona January 29, 2019 / 8:59 pm

      I thought Democrats cared about human rights

      ….and I thought they LOVED gays and lesbians.

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