Open Thread

I was actually going to include a bit about the J6 “bombshell” but I think we’re hashing that out pretty well in the previous post. So, I’ll just state this:

The January 6th hearings are an attempt by Democrats and Never Trump to make Trump toxic for 2024. Make no mistake about it – they are terrified of his running again and they know they can’t beat him: the methods they used to cheat in 2020 will not be available especially in the Battleground States in 2024 because of various legal changes over the past 18 months. They might try to bring back the Pandemic to justify mailing out millions of ballots…but they won’t have nearly the success they had in 2020. Laws have been changed, people are watching…and the man who gained 12 million votes between 2016 and 2020 is almost certain to gain even more between 2020 and 2024.

Here’s how 2024 is already going:

In 2008 the Democrats enjoyed a 1.2 million voter registration advantage over Republicans in Pennsylvania – as of 2022, that advantage has shrunk to about 540k….and it continues to shrink, rapidly. Since 2020, a net of about 1 million people have switched to the GOP from the Democrat party. This isn’t new voters – this is people taking the time to actually change their party registration from one to the other (the net is because some people have switched from GOP to Dem…but overall the stampede is to the GOP from the Democrats). It turns out that a Party keyed to the deepest concerns of urban/suburban upper class, college educated white women lacks broad appeal.

Polls: you may have already seen some of them. Ignore them – they’re doing absurd things now to come up with poll results which fit the Democrat Narrative, especially over the abortion issue. The only poll that matters is the prices of gas and food. Absent a miracle, Democrats are going to lose Congress and a large number of State government seats as well…the only question is whether this win will be on the magnitude of 2010, or something we’ve just never seen before in American politics. Looking at some polling and taking into consideration their MOE and how Democrat-heavy their samples are, a credible case can be made that Biden’s approval has slipped into the 20’s.

The Democrat response? They’ve introduced a Transgender Bill of Rights.

The return of Stagflation. This probably won’t help Democrats in the Fall.

And the Tweet of the day:

105 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Cluster June 30, 2022 / 8:37 am

    The spectacular failure of Americas Oligarchy Ruling Class is on full display and creating misery for millions of Americans yet they unbelievably continue to divide the country along racial and gender lines, and their shrinking lap dog base continues to fall in line unquestionably. I can only assume that this is exactly what happened in 1930’s Germany, when Hitler began to isolate and demonize the Jews. Well, Trump supporters are the new Jews, difference is, we won’t go quietly into the night.

    In light of unaffordable gas prices, diesel fuel shortages, baby formula shortages, food shortages, open border chaos, exploding crime rates, increasing drug overdoses, criminals being let out on the streets, elementary school children being sexualized, and their diabolical Stasi like investigations of Trump, there is absolutely no way Democrats win without cheating. But Democrats are not the entire problem. We also need to rid ourselves of the Liz Cheney’s, Mitt Romney’s, Lindsay Graham’s, Mitch McConnell’s, etc., etc.

    The ruling class needs to go. The productive class now needs to take over.

  2. Retired Spook June 30, 2022 / 9:03 am

    I was actually going to include a bit about the J6 “bombshell” but I think we’re hashing that out pretty well in the previous post.

    In all the “hashing,” the one thing that was pretty much left out is the one definitive and undeniable fact about January 6, 2021: Trump offered to call up 20,000 national guard troops, and Pelosi declined. Had the Capitol been surrounded by 20,000 armed national guard troops, the riot simply would not have taken place, and we wouldn’t even be having this conversation – FULL STOP!. The claim was that the “optics” were bad, but a reasonable person could conclude that Pelosi WANTED the riot to occur.

    • Cluster June 30, 2022 / 9:22 am

      And the FBI initiated the chaos. It was all a set up, just like the fake kidnapping of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.

      Also, where are the investigations into the summer riots of 2020 which were far more dangerous, deadly, and destructive then J6. And the absence of those investigations tells you everything you need to know.

      • fieldingclaymore June 30, 2022 / 10:21 am

        Those hearing are coming in 2023 don’t you worry.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 12:28 pm

        What hearings are “coming in 2023” and who will hold them? Will they come before or after the Fauci/CDC hearings or the Pfizer/Moderna hearings?

        Will there be a whole J6 season, with Christopher Wray forced to testify about how many of his agents were infiltrated into the mob and what roles they played? Will there be an investigation into the lack of an investigation? Will someone finally take the advice of the late Michael Stenger and investigate the identities, funding and travel arrangements of the professional rioters brought in for the day?

        Are you saying Congress will actually start doing its job instead of abusing its power and status to try to rig a presidential election? Boy, that would be nice.

    • fieldingclaymore June 30, 2022 / 10:23 am

      Where is your support for this Trump call for 20k guardsmen but Pelosi denied it? I am not saying it didn’t happen but I need to see evidence that it did.

    • Jeremiah June 30, 2022 / 8:20 pm

      Pelosi WANTED the riot to occur.

      That’s a fact!

      Antifa and BLM were escorted up to the capitol, as well! They are the ones that pushed to breach the building. I would say Obama maybe or someone in Biden’s admin organized that.

      Nobody who supported Trump went up to the capitol steps. Trump supporters arrived a short time later, over two million. They watched in horror as Antifa damaged and broke into the capitol building. The breach spurred some people on the right to enter the building, and it’s unfortunate because there were idiots inside who murdered a young woman named Ashley Babbit.

      I think it’s safe to say if we wanted to storm the capitol we would have but we didn’t. Hopefully soon these leftist nimrods will be doing the FOOWG.

  3. Retired Spook June 30, 2022 / 9:31 am

    Today’s Coffee & Covid is a must read.

    • Tim July 2, 2022 / 11:09 am

      Thank you for that link, Duley bookmarked.

      • Retired Spook July 2, 2022 / 11:21 am

        Jeff is a fun read. Kind of like Kurt Schlichter with more facts. You can get it daily without subscribing; you just can’t comment.

  4. Retired Spook June 30, 2022 / 10:03 am

    The January 6th hearings are an attempt by Democrats and Never Trump to make Trump toxic for 2024. Make no mistake about it – they are terrified of his running again and they know they can’t beat him:

    BUT, unlike Democrats, we’re got a Plan B. His name is Ron DeSantis, and there’s no doubt in my mind that he would implement the same policies as Trump would. He would still be attacked by the Democrats, but if he had some significant vulnerabilities we’d know about them by now. The fact that people like Fielding are afraid of DeSantis tells you all you need to know.

    • fieldingclaymore June 30, 2022 / 10:20 am

      You are 100% correct Spook. I think nominating Trump again is a losing strategy for your team..

      • Retired Spook June 30, 2022 / 10:35 am

        Thankfully, “my team” is not concerned about what you think, but your concern for us is duly noted. Just out of curiosity, why are you so afraid of DeSantis? What in his background or tenure as Floriday Governor would indicate that he wouldn’t be a great President? Conversely, what about Biden (other than he wasn’t Trump) convinced you that he would be, not a great President, but even a satisfactory President?

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 12:01 pm

        Now, now, Spook—don’t tease the critters by asking them about their actual POLITICAL beliefs. We know from experience that just ain’t how they roll.

      • Retired Spook June 30, 2022 / 12:05 pm

        You’d think, in all the years (close to 2 decades) that you and I have been asking that question, that we’d have had more than one taker, a self-described Marxist at least ten years ago. The silence is deafening.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 12:23 pm

        I think nominating Trump again is a losing strategy for your team..

        Missing here is the tacit admission that a Trump nomination will result in even more of the scorched=earth tactics of the rabid Left.

        I’m fine with having Trump as president again. I’d love to have Trump in the White House still or again. But I dread the wholly predictable all-out war we know will occur if he is nominated, and that war will come from the Left. It will be ugly, it will take no prisoners, and its goal will be to even further divide this nation and destabilize it. If passing on a Trump presidency will avoid that, that’s a sacrifice I am willing to make.

        But only because the alternative to Trump could easily turn out to be Trump 3.0. DeSantis is brilliant, and an experienced lawyer as well as an experienced and amazingly successful Chief Executive of a very large and complicated state. His background of legal knowledge and political experience is very impressive, and he would not make the same rookie mistakes Trump made. I remember a press conference where a Lefty twinkie asked if he was going to continue “blah blah blah controversial blah blah blah” and his response was “you’re damned right I am” and he went on to a serious question.

        I’ve been in Florida half a dozen times in the past three or four months, and I have yet to meet anyone who doesn’t like DeSantis. (Correction:
        a woman in a patio furniture store had to tell me that all of our problems are due to Putin and she also didn’t like DeSantis.) That is an amazing record. In the political arena he has opponents and enemies, but on the street he is a hero.

        It’s rare to have this much depth on the bench and so many strong contenders coming up through the ranks and it’s fun to compare it to what is on the Left’s side. None of the old war horses on the Left are going to step aside for the likes of Mayor Pete or Swallwell or AOC. The strongest contender I see on the Left is Tulsi Gabbard, and I would much rather see her go head to head with DeSantis than prompt insults and name calling from Trump, because that would backfire big time.

        I’m ready for a young, dynamic administration. I’d like to see a DeSantis/Noem ticket and administration with Trump as kingmaker. The most effective tactic in tug-of-war is to let go and watch the other side fall on its donkey, and if Trump were to do this close to the last minute it would be fun to watch the scramble to invent lies about DeSantis .

  5. Tim June 30, 2022 / 10:53 am

    Is this normal? Do other people kiss their own Grand Children on the lips? This is not acceptable in my world.

    • Retired Spook June 30, 2022 / 11:07 am

      Aw, that’s just creepy Uncle Joe being creepy Uncle Joe. I’m surprised he doesn’t set down the mike so he can feel her up. It looks like she’s lifting her skirt in anticipation.

    • Cluster June 30, 2022 / 12:20 pm

      That’s just gross. The Biden’s are most corrupt political family in American history. And the most sexually perverted.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 12:34 pm

        Is her mother the daughter he used to take showers with?

        Or is she the Beau Biden daughter Hunter used to engage in sex play with when she was 14, when Joe told her mother, after her mother asked Joe for help in dealing with this, that SHE was the one who needed to get professional help?

  6. Amazona June 30, 2022 / 12:49 pm

    Just when the wife of one incarcerated Jan. 6 prisoner believed things couldn’t get worse, the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) informed her they are going to suspend all of her husband’s benefits.

    In an unsigned letter from the VA—dated June 13 and appearing to originate from the “Director Regional Office,”—Angel and Kenneth Harrelson were notified that the administration “received information from the United States Department of Justice” that Kenneth had been “indicted and charged with Seditious Conspiracy (18 U.S.C 2384).

    The letter further noted that: “Pursuant to 38 U.S. Code § 6105(a)”—Forfeiture for subversive activities—”after receiving notice of an indictment for the above offense” the “VA must suspend payment of gratuitous benefits pending disposition of the criminal proceedings. If convicted, gratuitous benefits are forfeited, automatically, from and after the date of the offense.”

    However, the wording of 38 U.S. Code § 6105(a) is quite different:

    According to 38 U.S. Code § 6105:

    “Any individual who is CONVICTED after September 1, 1959, of any offense listed in subsection (b) of this section shall, from and after the date of commission of such offense, have no right to gratuitous benefits (including the right to burial in a national cemetery) under laws administered by the Secretary based on periods of military, naval, air, or space service commencing before the date of the commission of such offense and no other person shall be entitled to such benefits on account of such individual.”

    “This is what you have when vindictive leftists get in charge of major parts of the government,” Gohmert told The Epoch Times. “What we’re seeing is when immoral, mean-spirited, leftist people take over the government, they use every aspect of the government in order to try to inflict their hatred on people with whom they disagree. Even after most of the Democrats in the House of Representatives obstructed an official session of Congress back in June 2016, at that time, none of us were saying these people have got to be put in jail. We just wanted to be able to go back into session as the majority. But when they have power, obstructing an official session of Congress—which is the worst charge many of the January Sixers were charged with—we see the left wanting to bury them, take away any benefit, destroy their lives and not only their lives they want to destroy their homes, destroy their children’s lives. This is an evil, toxic atmosphere when these types of people are in control of so much of the federal government.”

    • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 12:56 pm

      In stark contradiction to the notice of benefits suspension and the threat of having to repay everything Kenneth has received, a May 2021 email from Jeremy Van Cleave, Veterans’ Services Counselor at the Brevard County Government Center in Viera, Florida to Angel Harrelson, Van Cleave said he “wanted to clarify something.”

      “As long as your husband is not convicted, your benefits will continue to be paid. If your husband is convicted, and he has to serve greater than 60 days, then his benefit will be reduced to 10%. I am sorry if I did not communicate that correctly. So, right now you will continue to receive funds pending the outcome of the trial.”

      It’s worth noting that these people have also been deprived of their Constitutional right to a speedy trial.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 1:31 pm

        Following the June 12 shooting at Pulse Night Club in Orlando, Florida, members of the House Democratic Caucus staged a pre-planned and well-organized protest sit-in on the House floor just after the House convened on June 22, 2016. They demanded that then-House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) allow a vote on gun control. Through the day and into the next morning, they obstructed proceedings, chanted “no bill, no break,” and sang “We shall overcome.”

        ” obstructing an official session of Congress” got no one arrested, no one imprisoned for more than a year without a trial, no one stripped of federal benefits.

  7. fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 2:41 pm

    So Fielding, would it surprise you that Spook’s so-called “comprehensive rundown” has a few problems with it? For instance, it states “DOD support via the National Guard was refused by the House and Senate sergeant at arms, who report to Pelosi.” Wrong. The Senate sergeant at arms does not report to the Speaker of the House; he reports to the Senate leader, who at the time was Mitch McConnell.

    It also says that Sund “began seeking permission from the political powers surrounding House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer to deploy the National Guard.” But Schumer was not the Senate leader at the time; Mitch McConnell was. (McConnell was the one who on Jan. 7 asked for the resignation of the Senate Sergeant at Arms.)

    And of course, the article doesn’t say anything at all about Nancy Pelosi refusing Trump’s offer of 20,000 troops, nor does the supporting timeline.

  8. Tim June 30, 2022 / 2:47 pm

    Finally, we some video evidence of President Trump taking out those Secret Service Agents.

    • Cluster June 30, 2022 / 2:50 pm


    • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 3:04 pm

      lol. Ya gotta love how conservatives maintain this fantasy that Trump is such a viril man.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 3:24 pm

        I’ve never heard Trump describes as “viril”. “Viral”?

        Donald Trump is 78 years old and has the stamina and energy of men half his age. He is known for keeping long hours and maintaining focus and intensity throughout meetings and events. He can speak extemporaneously for hours, touching on events and details and history, without notes. He routinely plays 18 holes of golf in a day. Petty quibbling and an unhealthy obsession with the man’s private life might choose to use a word usually associated with manliness, to use a polite euphemism, but I’ll go with that.

        Yes, he looks very manly for a man his age and even for a man much younger. His appearance is manly enough to make a joke video like this one feasible. Face it, no one is going to try to make a video of Joe Biden being a super hero. Falling off a bike, yes. Watching his tapioca falling off his spoon, yes. Punching out multiple Secret Service agents, not likely. Not even Corn Pop, back in the day when he was supposedly taking people out behind the gym and beating the crap out of them, a story he has often told along with his days as an 18-wheeler driver or of being arrested on the streets of Soweto trying to get to see Mandela on Robbens Island (though Soweto is hundreds of miles from Robbens Island) or how he hit a ball 358 feet at his second congressional baseball game while hosting the Los Angeles Dodgers at the White House. Nope—none of these would put him in the role of a super hero—except in his next speech.

        No, what we gotta love is the total inability of the rabid Left to recognize humor. What a sad sorry bunch of surly grumps you guys are! That is a very funny video, on several levels, and I suspect that even you realize it is making fun of you guys and your bizarre elaborate fantasies. We’re not the ones who came up with a story about a 78-year-old man wearing what is usually pretty restrictive clothing diving over the back of a limo seat to wrestle a steering wheel away from a much younger Secret Service man and then attacking another agent. If you don’t want to be ridiculed, don’t be ridiculous.

      • Tim June 30, 2022 / 4:02 pm

        You must be angling for the emm cee job at the mitt romney comedy and k9 transportation club.

        You made me lurrff!!!


        By the way, I do believe the word you were looking for was “virile” but whatta I know?

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 5:12 pm

        “No, what we gotta love is the total inability of the rabid Left to recognize humor.”

        You don’t know what “lol” means? Also, as you corrected me yesterday, President Trump wasn’t in a limo, he was in an SUV. Given that you are so preoccupied with such details, I would have assumed that you would get it right this time.

        That said, I must congratulate you. Your post above is probably the most fantastic piece of writing I’ve ever seen on this website. Bravo!

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 8:59 pm

        Yes I know what LOL means. I just didn’t know that people still used it and find it odd to see someone trying to announce preemptively that he is going to say something he thinks is funny, much less that is is considered a command to find something funny.

        And BTW the upgraded and armored Suburban is considered a limo. It’s just not the Big Limo. Any more petty quibbling you need to get off your chest?

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 5:14 pm

        “By the way, I do believe the word you were looking for was “virile” but whatta I know?”

        Yes, Tim, I misspelled virile. Amazona knew that too. She just likes to play gotcha word games.

      • Tim June 30, 2022 / 8:35 pm

        “Yes, Tim, I misspelled virile. Amazona knew that too. She just likes to play gotcha word games.”

        I thought she was concise and to the point. By the by here, I think if you put an ad on craigslist, you might find a used sense of humor for sale. I think you would benefit from having one.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 9:34 pm

        Lawyers for Elmer Stewart Rhodes will tell jurors the far-right group believed President Trump would federalize them.

        They will argue at their Sept. 28 seditious conspiracy trial that this, not sedition, was their lawful reason to be at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

        They’ll also claim the Insurrection Act is so vaguely written, Trump legally could have used it to make them a federal militia.

        When nine accused leaders of the Oath Keepers go on trial for seditious conspiracy in Washington, DC, this fall, jurors in the government’s first big, Jan. 6 showcase trial will hear a defense argument that sounds little short of crazy.

        They’ll be told that the far-right extremists believed President Donald Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act as they gathered at the Capitol, 100 strong in their camo-colored tactical gear — and turn them into his own, ultra-loyal federal militia.

        Their fantasy mission? To “Stop the Steal,” “Defend the President,” and “Defeat the Deep State,” according to since-deleted rhetoric from their website. A defiant Trump would officially be their commander in chief.

        “Do NOT concede, and do NOT wait until January 20, 2021,” Inauguration Day. “Strike now,” Oath Keepers leader and founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes urged in an open letter to Trump on Dec. 14, 2020.

        “You must call us up and command us.”

        James Lee Bright, a lawyer for Rhodes, jokes that most people will laugh to learn the Oath Keepers thought they’d ever be a federal militia. “They believe what?” Bright imagines them thinking. “These guys are fucking crazy.”

        But he says he plans nonetheless to convince jurors that the pro-Trump, anti-government group actually had two lawful — and non-seditious — reasons to be at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

        Reason one: They were an invited security force for rally planners and participants, including Roger Stone, Ali Alexander, Latinos for Trump and Virginia Women for Trump.

        Reason two: They were awaiting Trump’s orders.

        When those orders failed to come, Rhodes’ lawyers will argue, the Oath Keepers left the Capitol. They had dinner at Olive Garden, and then collected the weapons and provisions they’d stashed — at the ready but never used — in their rooms at a Comfort Inn in Arlington, VA. Then they went home.

        “I just want to fight,” federal prosecutors say Rhodes complained after failing to get Trump on the phone that night, like some extremist Pinocchio with a thwarted dream of becoming a real militiaman.

        The Oath Keepers’ two-pronged sedition defense — that they were at the Capitol as invited rally security, and that they were awaiting the president’s orders — is not a convenient, after-thought excuse, Bright notes.

        “These guys were not planning this in the shadows,” he says. “It all predates January 6. The government has recordings of the Oath Keepers discussing not bringing weapons into the district” until Trump gave the OK, he says.

        And as president, Trump had flirted aloud with the idea of invoking the act, including against migrants at the southern border in 2019, and against violent George Floyd protesters in the summer of 2020, although always in the context of calling up the military or National Guard.

        But did Trump — or anyone from Trumpworld — give any indication to the Oath Keepers that he would federalize them, or invoke the Insurrection Act to stay in office?

        “To date, we are unaware of any direct communications that ever took place between the Oath Keepers and Trump, or anyone in his inner circle,” Bright says.

        So what we have is a handful of misguided but sincere people who truly believe they have a legal role to play in a tumultuous period in American history. Were they delusional? Clearly. Were they criminal? There is video of them being invited into the Capitol Building. Were they armed? Not in DC. They thought, in their fantasies, that they might be called upon to bear arms, but did not take their weapons to the rally. They are basically the same as the people who hear coded messages or “dog whistles” in statements most find innocuous. It’s just that the messages they discerned were pro-Trump and therefore representative of evil intent.

        They are a convenient target for the mouthbreathing rabid Left because they are the polar opposite of the metrosexual Libs who don’t like big noisy guns and the big nasty men who use them.

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 9:47 pm

        They are a convenient target for just about everyone (including you and Spook, judging by Spook’s comments about the national OK vs. his local chapter), because they deluded themselves into thinking they could carry out an insurrection against the United States. It doesn’t really matter whether they were delusional (which you state they were) unless they plan an insanity defense. You don’t get a pass from breaking into a bank just because your plan was delusional from the start. Sorry.

        BTW, there certainly is a trend among J6 defendants to effectively blame Trump for their misadventure. You know, Trump told them to go to the Capitol, etc.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 10:19 pm

        And once again, you lie. They read the intent of Trump to contact them and utilize them from comments he made, not to them but in other contexts. They extrapolated, from their interpretation of what they took to be messages from him, that if they were in place he would somehow know this and for the first time contact them.

        You really are quite the liar. It’s like breathing to you.

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 10:37 pm

        I was referring to the myriad other defendants who tried to defend themselves by claiming they were just doing what Trump told them. Sorry if that that wasn’t clear to you. You should really read up more.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 11:09 pm

        A “myriad”, eh? Who have testified that they had specific instructions from Trump to….what? Breach an unbreachable building to overthrow the government and assume its powers? You’re right—that hasn’t been clear to me. It still isn’t as I haven’t heard that, not even from the Star Chamber itself. Got any specifics? You know, quotes and names and stuff?

        Or is this just more reporting on what you hear from the voices in your head?

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 11:36 pm

        Still can’t get your mind off his body, can you?

        Not that there’s anything wrong with that………

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 11:52 pm

        I have no idea what J6 defendants blaming Trump for their actions has to do with his body, but whatever.

  9. Tim June 30, 2022 / 3:35 pm

    Is this your hero,

    Just take a gander at the faces of the hosts.

  10. fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 5:41 pm

    Regarding Amazona’s post above regarding Oath Keeper member and retired Army Sergeant Kenneth Harrelson above, one has to wonder what he was thinking by jeopardizing his VA benefits, the loss of which is wife says will cause her and Harrelson’s children to lose their home, their vehicle, their insurance, and their medical benefits.

    Yesterday, Amazona tried to downplay the activities of members of the Oath Keepers on Jan. 6, writing “So back to Oath Keepers, or to be more accurate what became of Oath Keepers when it was taken over by loony tunes radicals and scorned by its original members. So there was an element of that, possibly with weapons, with who knows what kind of goofball intentions. But for the sake of discussion about the House “hearing” it doesn’t matter because they had nothing at all to do with Trump.”

    Taken over by loony tunes radicals? The Oath Keepers are still run by Stewart Rhodes, who founded the organization, and is among eleven Oath Keepers charged with conspiracy to commit sedition against the United States, in which they allegedly “devised and carried out a plot to prevent the lawful transition of presidential power.” We’re not talking about “goofball intentions.” It’s not some rogue splinter group of the Oath Keepers, it’s the founder and leader himself along with his followers.

    • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 8:57 pm

      Ask Spook about early Oath Keepers and the rift that developed.

      • Retired Spook June 30, 2022 / 9:17 pm

        Originally Oath Keepers was founded as an organization whose main thrust was Constitutional awareness and community preparedness with membership limited to veterans, active and retired military and first responders. It was, IMO, a noble organization, but somewhere it made a wrong turn, driven, I suspect, by Sterwart Rhodes ego. Rhodes attended a cookout hosted by our local Indiana Chapter about 3 or 4 years ago. He and the National Board had been giving us ZERO support in our efforts to expand our presence in the state, in spite of the fact that we had a significant presence in Indiana. We had developed a great relationship with local, county and state law enforcement and supported several worthwhile causes through fundraisers, including approxmiately $70,000 raised for Honor Flight. After Stewart left that cookout, we all agreed that we didn’t like the agenda he represented and decided to separate ourselves from the national organization. We have since incorporated as a 501C3 under the name Indiana Oath Keepers. I’m no longer active, but the members who are are top notch patriots, all of whom I trust with my life.

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 9:50 pm

        So doing a little research… According to an Indiana OK spokesperson, “The only government we are against is one that is not accountable to the citizens who elect it.”

        Who decides when the government is not accountable and how do they decide it? Yeah, they say they protect and defend the Constitution, except when they don’t like the government’s current policies. Then all bets are off.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 10:02 pm

        they say they protect and defend the Constitution, except when they don’t like the government’s current policies. Then all bets are off.

        As usual, when you feel cornered the vicious pettiness shows through. This comment is total bullshit. Surely you are not protesting that the government’s current policies comply with Constitutional restrictions on expansion and execution of federal power. If you are, that would be an interesting debate, though you would be crippled by its focus on actual ideas instead of just hurling personal insults.

        How is the weaponization of federal agencies to persecute citizens for having different political views being “accountable to the citizens”?

        How is an anonymous unsigned threat to bankrupt a family sent from a federal agency being “accountable to the citizens”?

        How is a sham “hearing” run by a woman who has been acting as prosecutor, jury and dictator of penalties being “accountable to the citizens”?

        How is using a branch of government to preemptively rig a presidential election being “accountable to the citizens”?

        Love, support and defend our descent into the Stalinization of our nation, but please spare us the prospect of piously intoning anything about the Constitution.

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 10:42 pm

        I’m sure Spook can speak for the Indiana Oath Keepers.

        As far as facts, here’s a fact: Several members of the Oath Keepers have been indicted for seditious conspiracy against the United States. I guess they just determined that the government is not “accountable to the citizens,” so they were just doing their duty.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 11:11 pm

        And again—–You do realize that an “indictment” is just a list of unproved accusations. don’t you? And seeing the overheated unhinged hysterical rhetoric of you and your fellow travelers, there is no reason to think that their laundry list of fantasies is going to be any more realistic.

        But I did note the petty snark at the end. So manly. //sarc off

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 11:23 pm

        “You do realize that an ‘indictment’ is just a list of unproved accusations. don’t you?”

        Uh, it’s a little more than that. The Oath Keepers, including Kenneth Harrelson, were indicted by a grand jury which determined that there is probable cause of a crime after being presented with sworn witness testimony and physical evidence.

        As far as sarc, you know about that better than anyone else here, so nice try playing that card.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 11:46 pm

        Uh, it’s an ACCUSATION! Are you really that gullible?

        A Grand Jury hears only one side of a story, that of the accuser. There is no defense, there is no questioning, there is nothing but one side making claims that are unchallenged. No wonder nearly every Grand Jury returns an indictment. It’s a Stalinist wet dream, as we are seeing played out in the January 6 “hearing”.

        I know, once a dog and pony show has given one side of an argument and a compliant Grand Jury has returned its pretty-much guaranteed indictment, that pesky old trial with rules of law and actual legal definitions and a defense and cross examination and all those other things that get in the way of a speedy execution is soooo annoying. That’s why these protesters haven’t had a trial yet—a trial will just complicate things with the rule of law and so on. That’s why no charges have been filed, or will be filed, against Trump—-there is no way the rabid Left is going to exchange their massive propaganda machine for an actual courtroom with rules of law and legal definitions and (horrors!) a defense that shreds the beloved narrative.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 11:48 pm

        As far as sarc, you know about that better than anyone else here, so nice try playing that card.

        Uh, I pointed out that I was being sarcastic. And yes, I am good at it, just as I am good at seeing through your bullshit and deconstructing your lies.

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 11:54 pm

        “Uh, it’s an ACCUSATION! Are you really that gullible?”

        Yes, an accusation based on sworn testimony and physical evidence leading a grand jury to conclude that a crime was likely committed.

      • Cluster July 1, 2022 / 9:46 am

        Do you know who John Sullivan is?

    • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 9:06 pm

      “one has to wonder what he was thinking by jeopardizing his VA benefits,”

      That is a wild and erroneous assumption that he thought he was doing something illegal. One has to wonder what you’re thinking when you write this crap.

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 9:26 pm

        It’s not a wild and erroneous assumption. He was part of a stack formation of Oath Keepers who breached the Capitol building, smashing panes of glass and causing other damage. Perhaps the sound of breaking glass might have alerted Harrelson that he was doing something illegal? Maybe he should have thought about what he was doing when he participated in the planning phone calls prior to Jan. 6?

        Sadly for Harrelson, he now faces a list of federal charges, including conspiracy to commit sedition, which could put him in prison for 36 years.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 9:53 pm

        Oooooh! A “stack formation”! You are such an obedient little sock puppet, parroting the prepared script!

        The Capitol Building could not be breached. Do you not read what is presented to you, or not understand it, or just not care? The Capitol Building, as the President well knew, could not be “breached” no matter how much you couch warriors love to use the phrase. The massive metal doors were designed to prevent “breaching” and were locked by magnetic locks which could only be released from inside the building, from a secure security booth, by someone with the clearance and the magnetic key to do so.

        The doors were opened from the inside. Even in the fetid fever swamp of Liberal fantasy that is not a “breach”. We have all seen videos of the doors being opened from the inside. We have all seen videos of Capitol officers inviting people in, chatting with them, posing for selfies with them, directing them to various parts of the building.

        It was widely known that the rally would be infiltrated, so the sound of breaking glass you imagined till it felt so very very real to you would have indicated this was happening. Clearly people who did this were breaking the law. It is not clear or even indicated that any of these people were Oath Keepers. If you have proof to the contrary, please provide it—but not just more meekly regurgitated scripts from your masters.

        You know what we never hear from any of you people? A desire to know the truth. Whether it is about election issues or January 6, we never hear a commitment to a fair and open search for the truth, just a passionate and obsessive determination to shove your own twisted perception of reality down our throats without any concern at all of whether it might be wrong. It’s creepy, and only partly due to its echoes of other Leftist policies that have eagerly sacrificed people merely for being in their way.

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 10:34 pm

        You really ought to read the indictments against Harrelson.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 11:07 pm

        You do realize that an “indictment” is just a list of unproved accusations. don’t you? And seeing the overheated unhinged hysterical rhetoric of you and your fellow travelers, there is no reason to think that their laundry list of fantasies is going to be any more realistic.

        Personally, I think the defense ought to call James Comey so he can repeat the legal opinion that you can break a law if you didn’t fully have the specific intent to break the law while you knowingly broke it. But no, our multi-tier “justice” system will be sure to treat pro-Trump people very differently than it does the ruling elites—as we see with so many protestors kept in solitary confinement for more than a year, denied due process and the Constitutional right to a speedy trial.

        Wrongthink has a whole different set of rules and definitions.

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 11:16 pm

        “You do realize that an ‘indictment’ is just a list of unproved accusations. don’t you?”

        I do.

  11. fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 7:41 pm

    So now the story is that Trump was too fat to reach from the back seat of the SUV to the front seat. According a former Secret Service agent, “I don’t mean to sound disparaging to the former president, but just his girth would prevent him from actually getting to the steering wheel.”

    So let’s see, we have a Secret Service agent saying Trump’s obesity would have made it difficult for him to even reach from the back seat to the front seat, and we have Amazona swooning that Trump “has the stamina and energy of men half his age” and “Yes, he looks very manly for a man his age and even for a man much younger.” Who to believe, who to believe…

    • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 8:50 pm

      You do find the strangest things to obsess over. Seriously, you want to quibble over whether a stout man can appear manly or have energy and stamina? This is important to you? Such a big deal you have to use the word “obesity”? Meeeeooowwww !!!

      Well, I not only think a heavyset man can appear virile, I think bickering is so totally unmanly I wonder that you even know the meaning of the word. Though given your apparent attraction to weedy men who knows if you do or not?

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 9:05 pm

        I actually found your defense of Donald Trump as a manly man to be hilarious. But hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Just noting the latest excuse for why Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony isn’t reliable.

      • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 10:16 pm

        Just noting the latest excuse for why Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony isn’t reliable.

        No you’re not. There are reasonable elements that have to be taken into consideration when a story is being evaluated. One is the likelihood of a heavyset man wearing restrictive clothing being able to launch himself over the back of the seat of a Surburban and reach the steering wheel over the shoulder of a trained security agent.

        This kind of thing always trips you up. You get so caught up in your fantasies that there isn’t room for real life. I’ve had Suburbans. I know what they are and wouldn’t ever confuse one with a heavily armored stretch limo nicknamed “the Beast”. I’ve tried to reach over the back of the front seat to give directions to the driver and it is not easy to do. It’s a big vehicle. (Not quite as big as my Excursion, but big.) You have to lift yourself out of the seat, in a moving vehicle, and lever your whole body forward and upward. It’s not like reaching over the seatback of a Prius. The reasons for her elaborate lie are many, but she has an army of quibblers and bickerers ready to nitpick and snarl over every tiny detail, sneer at comments, insert snark like “obese” and generally wallow in a pathological addiction to the cage match mentality that you substitute for actual politics or for a desire to know the facts.

      • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 10:45 pm

        Talk about having no sense of humor. You don’t find it funny that a SS agent had to delicately refer to Trump’s obesity as “girth”? Coming on the heels of your lovingly crafted defense of Trump as a manly man is truly the best.

  12. Tim June 30, 2022 / 9:31 pm

    cassiy’s testimony?

    heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it…..

    I think in the beginning, she heard it from her clubbing friends who heard it from her beach friends who heard it from christine ballsy’s hair dresser.

    I’m sensing a song here.

  13. jdge1 June 30, 2022 / 10:33 pm

    Supreme Court Deals Major Blow to EPA Power

    It’ll be interesting to see just how many illegally enacted leftist policies get booted with the SC now that it has a conservative bend. This was always a case of overreach, placing power in unelected government agency hands, bypassing congress. Trump attempted to repealed several such Obama enacted policies (DACA for example) only to be slapped down by lower courts citing a bunch of nonsensical legalese. In this case, the DC appeals court vacated Trump’s efforts. That it took the SC to correct this will just embolden Democrats to continue their power grab.

    • Amazona June 30, 2022 / 11:29 pm

      I remember the Friday afternoon when Bill Clinton issued one of his kingly edicts giving the EPA and its political whore boss Ken Salazar the ability to completely bypass Congress and, essentially, legislate by first deciding on what is a “pollutant” and then what should be done about it.

      It’s only been downhill since then.

      The real threat—-to borrow some Leftist hyperbole but use it correctly for a change—the EXISTENTIAL threat to the Left was Donald Trump’s understanding of the inherent dangers of the de facto fourth branch of government represented by the massive bloated federal agencies run by lifetime political appointees that are running the nation by making their own laws and rules, without the participation or even oversight of Congress. It was his recognition of this and his beginning steps to weaken them and move legislation back to Congress that made him such a threat he had to be removed at any cost.

      He cut budgets and he moved two agencies out of the Beltway and into the Heartland, which scared the bureaucrats spitless. The Left knew this had to be stopped.

      Hopefully it was just delayed.

  14. Amazona June 30, 2022 / 11:26 pm

    A serious question for forty—why are you here?

    • fortyacresbeyond June 30, 2022 / 11:56 pm

      A friend recommended this blog as a place to understand how some conservatives think. Why are you here?

      • Retired Spook July 1, 2022 / 10:58 am

        Amazona and I arrived at the original iteration of this blog, Blogs for Bush, about the same time, around 2004 to 2006. I stayed here for the same reason I listened to Rush Limbaugh for over 3 decades; Even back then Mark Noonan was still the primary contributor, but Matt Margolis and a couple of others also posted. There was a year-long stretch when Mark was on hiatus that Cluster and I wrote a lot of the posts. We were all friends who met online who enjoyed each other’s company and each other’s take on politics and current events. We mostly agreed with each other, but we could disagree without being disagreeable. Over the years virtually EVERY Conservative who has commented here has one overriding thing in common — we thoroughly enjoy riduculing people like you and the authoritarian governmental system you enable by either your ignorance or complicity.

      • Amazona July 1, 2022 / 1:40 pm

        I am here because I wanted to find people who are interested in the exchange of ideas but who also share my commitment to the Constitutional model of government.

        As Spook said, we have formed a small community of sorts, in which we occasionally butt heads but never turn on each other, in which we learn from each other and share perspectives and observations.

        And it’s a place where we can share information we get from other sources We share comments, links to articles and recommendations for other sites.

        It’s a place where, at least for me, I can develop ideas by expressing them and refining them, with input from the others. As one example, it was here that I developed and refined my basic concept of Right v Left: That is, that the Right believes the federal government must be restrained as to its size, scope and power, with most authority left to the states or to the people, while the Left believes the size, scope and power of the federal government are not fixed but can and should be expanded at will, with little power left to the states or to the people, consolidating power in the hands of a few and creating a controlling Central Authority. This personal understanding of the conflicting political models developed through the discussions we had here.

  15. jdge1 July 1, 2022 / 5:43 am

    In a previous post I listed some of the additional benefits of the SC’s ruling on Roe.

    In light of the recent Dobbs v. Jackson decision, the SC overruled a lower court which struck down an Arkansas anti-eugenics law which prohibits aborting unborn children merely based on a Down syndrome diagnosis.

    I suspect there are a number of decisions indirectly associated with Roe that will be visited or changed as a result of the SC’s direction. The domino affect will likely have leftist fretting about all of them.

    • Amazona July 1, 2022 / 1:41 pm

      That’s an excellent analysis and one likely to be overlooked in the fuss and furor over Roe itself

  16. Amazona July 1, 2022 / 12:50 pm

    Spook laid out the facts of the blog, and our ongoing role in it, perfectly. He did leave out one thing that I think is pertinent here.

    About 20-some years ago I was in an ongoing discussion with someone much like you—intelligent, articulate and adamant in his positions, but we just kept going in the same circles we are seeing here. EXACTLY the same circles. The names and events have changed, but aside from that the pattern was the same, down to the rote recital of Leftist scripts. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried to find a different path.

    I said “We are talking about superficialities here, about people and personalities and how we FEEL about them, and we can’t find common ground on what are essentially emotion-based arguments. So let’s go back to basics and talk about things that are based on ideas, not feelings. How would you define your political philosophy”

    I got back something like “I think government should be fair and not corrupt”

    “OK”, I responded, “but I mean your objective analysis of how the nation should be governed”.

    “I think it has to be fair and equal”.

    “Right. But what is the best blueprint for making that happen?”

    “People have to be respected for their beliefs.”

    Sigh. “Agreed. But government has a structure, a core system of how it runs a country. What do you think is the best political structure for running the United States?”

    “We need someone better than George Bush.”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    And that is when I realized I was talking with someone wholly unmoored, politically, who floated on the surface of what he thought was "politics", absorbing and reflecting back the hostility and rage of the Left and believing his recitation of those beliefs and grievances meant he was engaging in political discourse, but all he was doing was advancing a political system he didn't understand because something in his psyche fed off the emotions he felt and expressed.

    Since then, for more than 20 years, when I have encountered someone like him, someone like you, I have asked that same question. It's been met with confusion, with vague platitudes that sounded like responses in a Miss America interview, and with fury and insults for even asking such a question—and for thinking there is an answer. In all those years, only one person could answer the question, and he was a dedicated Marxist who had studied and absorbed Marxist doctrine and believed in it.

    So you are not the first, and sadly not the last, to come here to set us straight and educate us and scold us and strut your assumed political (and moral and intellectual) authority but really only illustrating the same pathology but nothing of real political content.

  17. Amazona July 1, 2022 / 1:25 pm

    The Left is a magnet for people desperate to feel superior to others. It offers a shortcut to the Higher Moral Ground by telling them all they have to do is be FOR something noble or moral and they are better than other people, even though they don’t have to actually DO anything and what they are so loudly and proudly FOR is usually something no one else is against.

    And when you dig down into it you can see that this need to feel intellectually and morally superior is linked to a need to impose those personal beliefs and standards on others. It’s actually a component of overall Leftist philosophy—that some people are just better, smarter and more moral than others and should, therefore, be given great power and the ability to impose their belief systems on others.

    We see that acted out from situations like this, where you feel not only compelled but entitled to come to a conservative blog and lecture, harangue, insult and attack those who do not meekly accept you as better than we are, or your explanations and narratives, all the way to the conviction that government should be a Central Authority deciding what is right or wrong, what is best or not good, and then forcing the population to submit.

    It’s a spectrum but the need to dominate is there from one end to the other. From bullying people because they have a different political perspective to silencing opposing points of view to forcing people to take experimental drugs that accomplish no good and much harm, it’s all on the spectrum of conviction of knowing more and therefore being entitled to power and control.

    You are a classic example. Clearly smarter than most, you see “politics” as a cage match. You pick your side, you don your jersey, and you set out to destroy the Invented Other that you are convinced deserves your wrath and your punishment. It’s not about exchanging ideas. It’s not about learning or accepting a different perspective. It’s about scoring points with invective and insults, about battering the Other and preening over perceived victories. It’s just fun, just a competition, for someone who defines “fun” as feeling superior to other people. It’s just a game, with facts as pieces on the board you can move around and configure to support your next attack.

    You feel special, but to us you’re just the latest in a series of personality disorders recruited by a political movement that validates them, tells you they make you better than others, and sends you out to support and enable a political system you don’t even understand, much less believe in.

    • Retired Spook July 1, 2022 / 2:01 pm

      One thing I’d add is that the Leftists who’ve posted here over the years almost NEVER answer questions the honest answer to which would invalidate their POV. Good example, in the previous thread I asked Fielding and Forty if non-adversarial hearings were a good thing for the rule of law. Crickets!

    • Mark Noonan July 2, 2022 / 6:08 pm

      Leftists always think they are geniuses. It is a major flaw – this assumption of intellectual superiority. The reality is that almost all of us are average – and so are almost all of them. But they never see it that way. The particular mark of the Left is an assumed intellectual ability. Lenin was sure he was a genius – the only thing he was a genius about, though, was rationalizing his desires as essential to implementing Marxism…basically, whatever Lenin wanted at the moment, he was able to craft an argument (usually absurd, but he made them stick) that it was absolute necessary to get to a Marxist society.

      Real genius is exceptionally rare. Like once in a century a genius comes along. Nobody know where or when it will happen or how, say, one child in a family of average people will have the gift. But people do hate to be average – Leftist people even more so. So, they’re all geniuses…and everyone who disagrees with them is, naturally, a fool who can’t recognize genius…so, dammit, they simply have to take us in hand and force us, kicking and screaming, into the Bright Tomorrow.

  18. Retired Spook July 1, 2022 / 3:15 pm

    On a completely different note, Cluster has been a vocal proponent of men taking responsibilitiy for impegnating women. It appears that the repeal of Roe v. Wade was just the impetus many young men needed to do just that.

    • Cluster July 1, 2022 / 5:05 pm

      Abortion is largely an irresponsible male problem for sure. I’ll never understand how a guy can neglect his children. We need to conduct ourselves with more self respect

  19. Tim July 1, 2022 / 4:54 pm

    I finally found a goober’mint program I can support.

  20. fortyacresbeyond July 1, 2022 / 8:30 pm

    Spook: Thanks for sharing the history of this blog. “We thoroughly enjoy ridiculing people like you.” Have at it.

    “Good example, in the previous thread I asked Fielding and Forty if non-adversarial hearings were a good thing for the rule of law. Crickets!”

    I’m sure you did, but I don’t remember seeing it. It’s kind of hard to keep up when it seems like nearly every comment is directed to Fielding and Forty. But if your phrase “non-adversarial hearings” is in reference to the Jan. 6 Committee, the purpose of the committee is to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the United States Capitol. It’s not a trial. The committee appears to be doing its purpose, in my opinion.

    Regarding Amazona’s multiple diatribes about past “leftist” participating on this blog, seems kind of irrelevant to me. I will say that if you are truly interested in “the exchange of ideas,” you go about it in a way that seems particularly counter to your objectives, but maybe that’s the persona you want to project.

    “The Right believes the federal government must be restrained as to its size, scope and power.” That seems generally true to me, but you neglect to include that rightists no longer believe in the peaceful transition of presidential power. So spare me all the other platitudes. Once we have presidents attempting to stay in office by any means, it renders all of your other beliefs moot.

    • Cluster July 1, 2022 / 10:24 pm

      Again, who is John Sullivan?

      Also, Mark please do a post on the Liberal World Order. We need to talk through that shit lol. They finally said the quiet part out loud.

    • Retired Spook July 2, 2022 / 9:43 am

      So spare me all the other platitudes. Once we have presidents attempting to stay in office by any means, it renders all of your other beliefs moot.

      Moot, huh? End of discussion; you win, we lose? That’s hilarious but pretty much what I thought you’d say. You’ve either been givin the playbook or you’ve been here previously under other screen names. Amazona was spot on earlier in the thread when she said this about you:

      You are a classic example. Clearly smarter than most, you see “politics” as a cage match. You pick your side, you don your jersey, and you set out to destroy the Invented Other that you are convinced deserves your wrath and your punishment. It’s not about exchanging ideas. It’s not about learning or accepting a different perspective. It’s about scoring points with invective and insults, about battering the Other and preening over perceived victories. It’s just fun, just a competition, for someone who defines “fun” as feeling superior to other people. It’s just a game, with facts as pieces on the board you can move around and configure to support your next attack.

      BTW, you write pretty good English for a Dutchman, German, Pole, or Norwegian, heh. Just kidding; I know you’re using a VPN just like Fielding does. Coincidence? Ineresting that your VPN service seems to prefer servers in the Netherlands. Now I just need to search my records for the troll a while back that bragged about using a VPN.

      • Amazona July 2, 2022 / 2:10 pm

        These guys don’t seem to realize that when they follow the breadcrumbs some of us lay down to lure them into more and more self-revelation they always end up tacitly admitting they have to cheat to gain any traction at all.

        In a way it’s kind of like Liz Cheney begging Wyoming Democrats to lie and claim to be Republicans for a day so they can vote for her in the primary, to keep Harriet Hageman out of the race. It’s an admission that the Left can’t win if it doesn’t cheat.

        And her admission that she sees her job as keeping Donald Trump out of the White House. By simply letting things proceed and seeing if he gets enough votes in an honest election? OF COURSE NOT, silly! By preemptively keeping him out of the race by “proving” him guilty of something that would disqualify him, with a backup plan of using the status and power of the House to just smear him so much it hampers his ability to win.

        Again, the Left can’t win if it doesn’t cheat. (It’s just coincidence, probably, that the three biggest efforts to openly cheat are headed by Liz Cheney—though as one whose political goose is thoroughly cooked already she’s the logical pawn to sacrifice.)

        Here on the blog, the Left can’t even be represented by a citizen who wants to explain and defend the movement. No, they have to sneak around via VPNs and bring in a ringer to clutter up the blog with scripts and nonsense, not realizing that this is a tacit admission they don’t have any real people out there who can simply step in and do the job.

      • Amazona July 2, 2022 / 2:22 pm

        Brit Hume
        I’ve covered Washington for more than 50 years, including 11 years covering Congress specifically. I’ve never seen a committee all of whose members were chosen by one party, and where there is no cross-examination or any attempt to present both sides.

        Byron York
        · Jul 1
        There’s a long tradition of adversarial process in congressional hearings/investigations. You don’t have to compare it to a trial to know something is wrong with the J6 committee.

    • Tim July 2, 2022 / 11:14 am

      Once we have a “president” who took office after massively cheating, anything and everything you say is moot.

      So game on?

      • Retired Spook July 2, 2022 / 11:25 am

        Great point, Tim, but, as Amazona noted, it IS a GAME. So it all depends on how much time you want to waste on a game.

      • Tim July 2, 2022 / 11:33 am

        I don’t think it’s that much of a waste. It’s not much different than the “Why We Fight” short films of WWII. It’s a morale booster, of a sort.

      • Retired Spook July 2, 2022 / 12:04 pm

        I hadn’t thought of it that way. I knew there must be a subconscious reason I kept responding to Forty.

      • fortyacresbeyond July 2, 2022 / 7:06 pm

        You would have a point if there was any evidence whatsoever of “massively cheating.” But there isn’t any, so you don’t.

      • Cluster July 2, 2022 / 8:09 pm

        It wasn’t “massive cheating”. It was targeted cheating. I’ve mentioned this before and please don’t report to the authorities

    • Amazona July 2, 2022 / 1:52 pm

      You say you neglect to include that rightists no longer believe in the peaceful transition of presidential power. , a lie which renders everything else you say irrelevant and moot.

      And BTW simply snidely dismissing my beliefs does nothing to make them “moot”. It might be possible, if you could come up with some arguments that were coherent as well as true, that some of my beliefs might be modified—for example, a recording of Donald Trump instructing people to try to overthrow the government—– but so far that is a theory that has never been tested. And never my core belief that our Constitution is the best blueprint for governing the nation

      The “any other means” that chap your donkey were the Constitutional right to petition the government for redress of wrongs and the orderly appeal to the judicial system. The riots, as we have so often explained, were a byproduct of a serious and sincere effort to comply with the First Amendment right to petition the government, and given the proofs of most of the violence being incited and carried out by outside agitators it takes a serious dedication to anti-Trump obsession to claim otherwise.

      My “diatribes” about Leftist supporters and enablers coming here only to hurl invective and express their personal pathologies in the pretense of engaging in political discourse are quite relevant as they illustrate the fact that these people (including you, evidently) are not expressing political opinions but merely wallowing in the cheap thrills of nonstop hostility and resentment using political names and themes as cover for what is really a series of personality disorders.

      When not one of you can back up a claim of serious political observation or commitment while constantly reverting to insults, lies and personal attacks, the superficiality of your pretense is quite relevant to the scorn and disdain your babblings generate. There is nothing to respect in a thin veneer of articulate glibness that has nothing meaningful beneath it and that is based on addiction to lies, spite and malice.

      I have been in hearings, and never seen one in which the subject of the hearing was declared guilty before the hearing even began and where there was no opportunity to challenge evidence or examine witnesses.

      purpose of the committee is to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the United States Capitol. It’s not a trial. Yet its “investigation” has, so far, included altering of evidence by editing an exculpatory statement by the President when playing a video of what he said, possibly suborning perjury by repeatedly recalling a witness until she changed her testimony to something damaging to the President though this required the acceptance of hearsay as evidence, and extensive questioning of people about issues not included in the claim of incitement of insurrection. It is not only not a crime to express an opinion about the legitimacy of an election, such expression is a guaranteed right, yet the treatment of the committee as it put witness after witness through the wringer of repeating the President’s Constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of speech was purposefully intended to imply to the gullible that there was something inherently illegal in what he believed and said. This process was highly prejudicial and dishonest.

      And the most egregious lie that defines the entire process is its blatant redefinition of an important and serious legal term—“insurrection”. By lying about its meaning, the committee has tainted its entire proceeding and shown it to be a sham. a mere exercise in abusing the power of the House to mount a piece of theater carefully constructed to create a false impression of a man and either eliminate him from being able to run for reelection (rigging the next election) or simply smearing him to try to affect his ability to gain votes from people who were swayed by the presentation.

      However, your post does contain a truth, however inadvertently. You say “The committee appears to be doing its purpose, in my opinion. And you are right. Its stated purpose is to keep Donald Trump from running for the presidency again, and in this way the committee IS “doing its purpose”. The questions of whether it is doing its purpose honestly or ethically will be resolved later, along with the much bigger and more important question of if it is legal for a branch of the government to engage in an activity admittedly designed to manipulate a presidential election. You and your fellow travelers are fine with this. We’ll have to see what the law thinks about it, once this circus is exposed and investigated for its excesses and lies.

      • fortyacresbeyond July 2, 2022 / 7:11 pm

        “Its stated purpose is to keep Donald Trump from running for the presidency again.”


        The committee’s stated purpose, as STATED in House Resolution 503 establishing the committee (reproduced on the committee’s website), is “to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.” Further, as STATED in H.R. 503:

        SEC. 3. PURPOSES.

        Consistent with the functions described in section 4, the purposes of the Select Committee are the following:

        (1) To investigate and report upon the facts, circumstances, and causes relating to the January 6, 2021, domestic terrorist attack upon the United States Capitol Complex (hereafter referred to as the “domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol”) and relating to the interference with the peaceful transfer of power, including facts and causes relating to the preparedness and response of the United States Capitol Police and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies in the National Capital Region and other instrumentalities of government, as well as the influencing factors that fomented such an attack on American representative democracy while engaged in a constitutional process.

        (2) To examine and evaluate evidence developed by relevant Federal, State, and local governmental agencies regarding the facts and circumstances surrounding the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol and targeted violence and domestic terrorism relevant to such terrorist attack.

        (3) To build upon the investigations of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication of efforts by reviewing the investigations, findings, conclusions, and recommendations of other executive branch, congressional, or independent bipartisan or nonpartisan commission investigations into the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol, including investigations into influencing factors related to such attack.

        Not a word about Trump in H.R. 503.

      • Cluster July 2, 2022 / 8:08 pm

        You’re such a tool lol. Do you work for the government? Homeland Security maybe? Do you wear an obedience mask?

      • Amazona July 4, 2022 / 10:43 pm

        I forgot about the Quibble Factor of the rabid Left. It is LIZ CHENEY’S stated purpose to keep Trump out of the White House, and I am sure her position as instigator, prosecutor, interrogator, judge and jury on the committee is merely coincidental.

        Republican Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming on Wednesday said she is determined to prevent former President Donald Trump from returning to the White House.

        “I will do everything I can to ensure that the former president never again gets anywhere near the Oval Office,” Cheney told reporters on Capitol Hill.

  21. jdge1 July 1, 2022 / 11:48 pm

    It didn’t take long for the Democrat controlled NY state to come up with new rules circumventing the SC ruling on NY vs Bruen (carry conceal). The legislators & governor radically increased “gun free” zones, where public buildings had to specifically post signs allowing guns, as opposed to standard “no guns allowed” which is typical in the rest of the country. Other things included ammunition background checks, ammunition micro-stamping (for which the technology isn’t even available at this time), 15 hours of in-person gun training (regardless of most backgrounds) and storage requirements. Several legislators didn’t even hide the fact that this was done to counter the SC. All of this to basically thumb their noses at the SC, which I’m guess will trigger another lawsuit but will take some time to be heard.

    This seems right in line with lower-level judges overriding state law limiting or prohibiting abortions. If you don’t like the SC ruling, take steps to generate stall tactics or ignore the ruling all together.

    • Amazona July 2, 2022 / 1:59 pm

      Yet there is opposition to my idea of making the oath of office binding. That is, making the oath of office a condition of holding that office, and a violation of it to result in loss of the office and all its associated benefits.

      This would, in my opinion, have a chilling effect on what is now judicial freedom to do whatever a judge wants to do. The mere specter of a possible challenge to a ruling based on a claim that it violated his oath to uphold the law and defend the Constitution would make most judges think carefully about just overturning rulings and legislating from the bench. Judicial arrogance would be weighed against possible loss of pensions and other benefits.

      Not to mention what it would do to mayors and governors of “sanctuary” cities and states, and efforts to do end runs around SCOTUS rulings.

      Could it be abused? Of course. Would it create chaos? Yes, for the time being. But it would also result in detailed conversations about the meaning of the Constitution, the reason for such oaths, etc. And it would be a constant reminder that being a judge is not the same as being a king, or God.

  22. jdge1 July 2, 2022 / 12:33 pm

    After further reflection, mandating all public and private businesses to post signs allowing guns in their establishment is much akin to municipalities that publicly out the names and addresses of carry concealed holders. This is an attempt to put a target people and businesses who value and exercise the 2nd amendment.

    • Amazona July 2, 2022 / 2:12 pm

      But couldn’t it backfire on them and make those businesses more attractive because people feel safer there? What happens when more and more businesses get on the train and post their own signs, to get those people back?

      Kind of a “be careful what you wish for” thing………

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