Open Thread

Today’s prime example of why I want to burn it all to the ground is this thread. Do read it, but to nutshell it a couple of gay guys rented out a woman’s womb to produce their designer child and when the mother came up with breast cancer they essentially ordered the child killed. The mother was willing to take the child as her own – she just needed it born premie so she could get cancer treatment. Nothing doing: kill the kid! And when she gave birth anyway, they (under the power provided to them by California law) refused any medical treatment for the premature boy, and so he died.

Hate to break it to everyone, but gay and straight are not the same thing. “Love is love” is an absurdity. We are what we are – and if you are a person who has a deep-seated sexual attraction to the same sex and you decide that that is how you will live your life then having kids is precluded. It just is what it is. I’m not condemning anyone for being gay, but I am going to insist that you don’t try to twist life to fit some bizarre desire you may have to engage in gay sex and be a father. Pick one. Stick with it. Don’t bring kids into a mix where they can only happen via the rather disgusting act of renting a human body for breeding purposes.

Another example is the Michigan AG indicting a group of elderly GOPers who produced a slate of Trump 2020 Electors. They’re seriously going to criminal charge these people – with the real “crime” being, “you supported Trump.

Hung Cao is running as a GOPer for Senate in Virginia – gotta say that this web ad of his is rock solid. He’s the son of Vietnamese refugees so he knows – and emphasizes – that he knows what our domestic Communists are up to. Aside from the “kid of immigrants makes good” story line, he’s also an American warrior – naval officer with lots of combat experience. Youngkin as Governor is trying to change Virginia’s blue trajectory and I think he’s having some success. Getting Cao into the Senate would cement it.

Word is that they’ll indict Trump. Again. This time for speeches he gave in the run up to January 6th. I think the Left is simply insane on this now – or they are looking at some polling indicating that Trump is at least on par with Biden and they are panicking. Whatever their motivations, this is yet more Death of the Republic stuff. Once Trump-Russia was proven to be a fraud, any official action against Trump will be seen by his supports as just more Trump-Russia. Even if you can prove that something Trump did was a crime, it won’t matter at this point. You had your shot and you burned it on a transparent lie. If we keep going down this route, then civil war is at the end of it. Maybe not today. Maybe not even for some years, but it will come. People who feel like they can’t get a fair shake will eventually resort to violence. It is as certain as night following day.

31 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Cluster's avatar Cluster July 19, 2023 / 9:37 am

    I too am of the belief that a civil war is on the horizon. The communist deep state is criminalizing conservatism. It’s exactly what happened with the Jews in 1930’s Germany. The difference is … we have guns and at some point, will begin using them. When that happens is entirely on the Democrats. If they let up and return to being normal, it may never happen. If they persist, it will most definitely happen.

    He’s the son of Vietnamese refugees so he knows – and emphasizes – that he knows what our domestic Communists are up to.

    Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity IS communism. The effort to bring about equal outcomes. I’ve mentioned this several times here and on Twitter, and the Progressive Left just doesn’t get it. They believe themselves to be “enlightened” or as Casper famously said, “part of the cool kids”. They have fallen for all the ego stroking, and propaganda Democrats have laid upon them over the last couple decades, and they are fully weaponized now.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 19, 2023 / 11:24 am

      We’ve been watching this tactic since the RussiaRussiaRussia days, when Trump supporters under the heel of federal authority chose to plea out rather than be bankrupted. That is the strategy, always has been, and it’s a gross and blatant abuse of power.

      The strategy of this administration and its fellow travelers is to criminalize freedom of speech and assembly. It is to establish Thought Crimes and use the full force and power of the State to punish them—and to scare others into meekly submitting.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 19, 2023 / 11:40 am

        If the Republican nominee were to emphasize this and compare it to the regimes of the USSR,, North Korea, etc. and point out that a vote for a Democrat—any Democrat—is really a vote for continuing and even expanding the use of the powers of the State to subjugate people and suppress opposition, we might start to get legacy Dems to actually start thinking about the true nature and structure of the political model they are supporting.

  2. Amazona's avatar Amazona July 19, 2023 / 11:18 am

    Bonchie from RedState has an article on the RDS interview with Jake Tapper. DeSantis was willing to go on CNN and from what I see in the article did quite well. Even with gotcha questions from Tapper he seemed to hold his own, and in the way I keep admiring here—calm, collected and articulate.

    Ending the article, Bonchie says:

    All in all, I was pleasantly surprised by DeSantis’ performance. Some have speculated he doesn’t do well in oppositional settings, but I think he’s shown in press conferences over the years that he can throw a punch.

    In this case, though, he also showed he can defend his positions in a thoughtful way without being overly combative. I love fireworks as much as the next guy, but a candidate needs to be able to get serious when the situation calls for it. He didn’t let Tapper off the hook at any point, and he stuck to his guns on every issue. That’s what DeSantis needed to do, and he did it.

    I know that anything short of full-tilt Trump support is likely to prompt some defensiveness, but if it is possible to be objective on the matter I suggest reading the article and then trying to imagine Trump’s response to the same questions from the same interviewer. Would they be as specific, on-point, succinct and uncluttered?

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 19, 2023 / 11:53 am

      From Hot Air: DeSantis on CNN: Too … normal?

      After an analysis of the RDS interview, the article ends with this:

      That brings us back to this interview and whether DeSantis gained from it. By any traditional measure, DeSantis proved his mettle on policy and on presidential mien. In today’s measures, though, did DeSantis muscle up to the occasion? Do voters still value breadth and depth on policy as well as aplomb and confidence in discussing it? And do they value those qualities more than they value attacking opponents (real and perceived) at every opportunity?

      If nothing else, DeSantis provided that as yet another contrast in this primary cycle, and another decision point for GOP primary voters. Do we want to fight … or do we want to succeed?

      I’m seeing a little too much of the preference for fighting, the anticipation of a visceral glee in stomping the other side to get even for what it has put us through.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 19, 2023 / 11:58 am

      From another review:

      Wait. Everything I’ve been reading and hearing lately has portrayed Ron DeSantis, the Florida governor and solid No. 2 in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, as stiff, lackluster, uninspiring, personality challenged, without charisma, and otherwise unsuited to serve as the Leader of the Free World®.

      If all, or, really, any of that is true, then who was that imposter sitting across from CNN’s Jake Tapper Tuesday afternoon? That guy, who looked remarkably like DeSantis, was articulate without bluster, occasionally amusing, sound in his reasoning, prepared and reassuring in his responses, not remotely weird, and, above all — despite the noise of the day from you-know-who — thoughtfully forward-looking.

      Listen, I don’t know what the campaign did with ol’ Gov. Wooden Head, but this guy, who plainly has to be DeSantis’ doppelgänger, is somebody who could win a whole bunch of Electoral College votes.
      ………………………….
      Our caps are tipped to CNN’s Sellers who acknowledged precisely what DeSantis has said all along about his candidacy: He’s a genuinely conservative Republican who — despite what you may have heard or read — acts and sounds presidential. He’s the genuine alternative to relitigating the past.

      Do more of that, Governor. The tide is yours to turn.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster July 19, 2023 / 6:54 pm

        DeSantis did really well with Mr Tapper.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 19, 2023 / 9:09 pm

        Remember, he worked with Seal teams, who say “Slow is smooth, smooth is fast:” Another version is “Slow is steady, steady is fast”.

        His background as a baseball player might also affect his style. Baseball is a game where there are always going to be defeats and setbacks, and the prize goes to the team that doesn’t let losses discourage them.

  3. Cluster's avatar Cluster July 20, 2023 / 9:34 am

    $17 million from foreign adversaries funneled through multiple LLC’s and distributed to many Biden family members between the years 2014 and 2017, and this isn’t grounds for impeachment?

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 20, 2023 / 10:43 am

      If they can connect the payments to interference or acts by Biden in his office as VP then yes, definitely. I have no doubt that he was selling American influence, or at least his influence. He and Kerry were in charge of deciding which nations got what, and traveled around dispensing American “aid”—to companies that then developed some kind of business relationship with the company owned by Hunter Biden and Chris Heinz, Kerry’s step son.

      I think what they are looking for or at now is solid proof that the payments resulted from actions by Joe

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster July 20, 2023 / 5:12 pm

        He was paid $5 million and withheld $1 billion in foreign aid to have a Ukrainian prosecutor fired. As the 1023 says, Hunter was hired so they would receive protection from his dad

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 20, 2023 / 7:44 pm

        I know but I think they are looking for the equivalent of a memo on a check saying “paid to Joe Biden for services rendered”. We can see the dots and connect them and that might be enough, but a more definitive link would be nice.

  4. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 20, 2023 / 11:32 am

    Jeff Childers comments on an aspect of DeSantis’ governorship that I’ve not seen mentioned elsewhere:

    Yesterday, Florida announced it had just paid off another $400 million of Florida’s debt through the Debt Reduction Program, which was included in the governor’s “Framework for Freedom” budget. Florida’s state debt has now been paid down by over $5 billion since Governor DeSantis took office in 2018. Meanwhile, in Washington D.C. … well, you know.

    Even better, despite paying down the debt by hundreds of millions of dollars, Florida’s 2023 budget, passed last month, provided $2.7 billion in tax relief for Floridians, and provided the most funding for education in the state’s history. Florida — one of the largest states in the country — now has the second-lowest debt per capita in America.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 20, 2023 / 12:20 pm

      And then there is this: An article outlining some dramatic and necessary military reforms.

      Florida Governor and 2024 GOP presidential contender Ron DeSantis has released his plan to change the military from a Petrie dish for D+ Sociology majors back into the Number One fighting force in the world. His campaign has posted his Military Reform Plan titled “Ron DeSantis’ Plan for a “Mission First” Military,” and it is well worth the read.

      The plan is divided into four major sections; each focused on addressing one of the chronic problems that infected the US military sometime during the Clinton regime.

  5. Amazona's avatar Amazona July 20, 2023 / 12:14 pm

    Disney is talking about selling off some of its properties, including ABC. I’ve been saying for years that what the Right needs is ownership of a network station, and here might be a chance for a billionaire or group of billionaires to step in and do that very thing.

    ABC is hurting, but that is because of crappy programming. If 40% of the nation identifies as “conservative” then that indicates a very large potential share of the market. We know it is possible to make funny, clean, sitcoms, and sitcoms have always been the bread and butter of network TV. News shows that don’t editorialize but simply report what is happening will gain viewership as people get used to the phenomenon. Conservatives would watch to get real news, and the opposition would watch to find avenues of attack (think early Fox) but in doing so would just cause more people to watch. But the real advantage would be the ability to show documentaries that no existing network will show, programs that accurately reflect history that is being repeated today in the tyranny of the Covid mandates, for example, or at least information on the vaxx damages being hidden by the Agenda Media.

    When and if the Right has an equal voice in this country, that pendulum shift will gain so much velocity it will be stunning. This country has its fair share of profoundly stupid people, and of those whose pathology aligns them with the political identity dependent on savaging the opposition on personal grounds to disguise its fear of openly discussing its true political structure, but there are millions of honest sincere people who simply get their “information” from network sources, and thereby prove the adage of GIGO.

    Cutting network incoming garbage by one-third would change the arc of American history.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster July 21, 2023 / 8:29 am

      DeSantis 1
      Disney 0

      Love this. And let’s not forget, on this issue, Democrats were defending a big corporation from paying their “fair share” of taxes. Imagine that

      Yesterday’s RFK hearing was another complete embarrassment for Democrats. Thy have become two trick ponies … it’s either Trump or racism. That’s all they have to counter any issue.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 21, 2023 / 10:21 am

        They were also defending using a big, powerful corporation to oppose legislation designed to protect children

  6. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 21, 2023 / 10:27 am

    Up is down and down is up.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster July 21, 2023 / 10:49 am

      They really have crossed the rubicon haven’t they?

  7. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 21, 2023 / 10:31 am

    After we’ve all had a good laugh, the moderator can delete this, since it IS a family blog.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster July 21, 2023 / 10:50 am

      Too funny … and disturbing at the same time

  8. Cluster's avatar Cluster July 21, 2023 / 12:30 pm

    I think it’s an excellent move by DeSantis to remove FL pensioners money from a declining company InBev and moving it to a more sound investment. That makes all the sense in the world.

  9. Amazona's avatar Amazona July 22, 2023 / 2:51 pm

    Vivek Ramaswamy writes, in a pitch for donations: My parents immigrated to this country with almost no money in their pockets, but they believed in the power of opportunity. They worked hard and raised two kids with a focus on education and achievement. That’s how you get ahead in America.

    Funny how he doesn’t mention this appreciation for the benefits of living here led to allegiance to the country and a desire to become citizens. As a matter of fact he has dodged questions about their citizenship.

    The commonly understood meaning of “natural born citizen” when that was included in our Constitution as a requirement for being president was being born to citizen parents, or at least a citizen father. The concept of birthright citizenship didn’t come about till the 14th Amendment, decades later, when it was misinterpreted to mean anyone born in the US is automatically a citizen.

    If Vivek was born to non-citizen parents, he is not eligible to be president, no matter how successful he and his family have been here.

    • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 22, 2023 / 2:55 pm

      And that’s a shame because he is one of the sharpest, if not THE sharpest person in the GOP field. I really like the guy.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 22, 2023 / 3:09 pm

        I think he’s got a lot going for him but so far I haven’t seen anything that makes me think he is presidential material. Being really smart and really successful in business doesn’t automatically translate into being a good leader. He does have good ideas and could be a real asset to the country, in the legislature or even in the cabinet.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 22, 2023 / 3:12 pm

        I don’t understand the complete lack of intellectual curiosity about the natural born citizen requirement on the part of literally EVERYONE. You would think that someone would bring it up. Everyone involved in the process is acting like it simply doesn’t exist.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 22, 2023 / 7:33 pm

        The Dems don’t have anyone who would be threatened by the topic, so I am surprised that they haven’t brought it up—except that it does call for knowing and respecting the Constitution, which probably makes unpalatable.

        You once brought back the long debate I once had with the only Liberal capable and willing to actually get into a meat-and-potatoes discussion on the topic, and she brought up a couple of bad SCOTUS decisions that didn’t touch on the topic itself as much as carelessly use the term to describe birthright citizenship in a couple of cases they heard.

        I have a feeling it might come up, especially if Vivek looks like a threat. Keep in mind that Haley and Rubio were also born to non-citizen parents. There was once an effort to disqualify McCain because he was born in Panama when his father was stationed there, which was a stupid effort, and some noise was made about Cruz because he was born in Canada. You would think that when a defense is that yes, he IS a citizen because one of his parents was a citizen when he was born that would lead to questioning the eligibility of those parents weren’t, but for some reason here there are crickets.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 22, 2023 / 8:16 pm

        I remember the lady you’re talking about. She acted like she was the definitive source for the topic. You and I did an incredible amount of research on the subject, going back to 15th and 16 century English law. As you say, the 14th Amendment, which has been interpreted wrongly, IMO, has nothing to do with whether or not someone is a natural born citizen.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 22, 2023 / 8:42 pm

        The only legitimate way to interpret the Constitution is to go by the words they used and the contemporaneous meanings of those words. I understand the conviction that the 14th Amendment conveys citizenship to anyone born here. I don’t agree with it but I understand that the concept of “jurisdiction” might be a little too complex or nuanced so is simply ignored. But I can’t understand how anyone can think that a document signed in 1787 and ratified in 1788 can have its wording defined by something that did not exist until 1868.

        We have to look at the phrase as it was used and understood when it was written into the document.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 22, 2023 / 9:04 pm

        As an example of the Leftist spin on the 14th Amendment, one online “explanation” of it said it was written to provide citizenship to Black (capital B) Americans

        The funniest thing about political correctness is that it’s just SO STUPID !

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