Open Thread

Proterra just filed for bankruptcy.

They’re an Electric Vehicle company much-touted (and subsidized) but Team Pudding Brain.

Energy Secretary Granholm cashed out $1.6 million in Proterra stock just before it went belly up.

Now, you can be stupid and say this was all just a coincidence…or you can see the obvious: a grift company set up to drain money from the Treasury tipped off the Energy Secretary – who must have been in on the scam – so she can get her pile of money, ultimately courtesy of the taxpayers.

They’re not even really hiding that they are corrupt. They keep the details secret, but the fact that they are corrupt is obvious and they are laughing at us. With the revelation that foreign oligarchs and gangsters have funneled $20 million into various Biden Family shell companies, the MSM position (so far) is that there is no proof that any of this money was directly given to Joe Biden. They know that’s a stupid thing to say. They don’t care. They know nothing will happen; they are even confident that if a GOPer wins the White House nothing will happen – likely because too many senior GOPers are hip deep in the overall Ruling Class corruption. Like this:

Senator Tim Scott – who is not a bad guy – had his campaign books looked into and it seems that huge amounts of money are being spent on brand new companies. We’re talking millions of dollars going from Scott’s campaign chest (which is huge) into these companies for…well, not for a whole heck of a lot. And make no mistake about it, what Scott is doing here is legal. But it is almost certainly what Matt and I found in Caucus of Corruption back in 2006: politicians essentially paying themselves out of campaign donations. You know: hire your wife as a consultant for half a million dollars. With this being relatively clean – legal and not actually hidden – can you imagine what we’d find if we really dug into the bowels of government? As of a minute ago, in FY 2023 (which started October 1st, 2022) Uncle Sam has spent $4,805,159,571,246.00 – $455 million more than they had spent by this time last year! Who the heck is keeping track of all that?

Suppose you had just a billion dollars and someone was stealing ten thousand dollars a day from you…you have a billion. It’ll be ages before you really notice it. And that is just you with your own billion dollars. Now imagine nearly five trillion dollars being shoveled out and millions of people coming and going…how hard would it be to steal a million dollars every day? That would only be 365 million by the end of the year. That is 0.007% of the money. that is like someone slightly shaving some metal of a penny. How would you notice? What I’m saying: rely on it, huge amounts of money are being stolen. probably at least a trillion every year of late. Often legally: but only as long as the people don’t find out about it and so demand reforms. Protecting that pile of stolen money is crucial to those stealing it: there is literally nothing they won’t do to keep you from finding out about it and stopping it.

Like, for instance, indicting Trump for saying things…which ultimately stems from Trump wanting to look into a big part of the corruption, what was going on in Ukraine.

RDS booted a Soros-backed, Commie State Attorney. And this is sure to warm Amazona’s heart – not just on a Commie getting the boot, by why she got it: DeSantis determined she was violating her oath of office by allowing violent felons to skate. This is wonderful stuff; and definitely the way to go. We can no longer tolerate people getting into official positions to undermine what those positions are for.

As we pretty much already knew, the FBI was targeting Catholics as domestic terrorists. Like the Traditional Latin Mass? Dude: the FBI wants to know all about it. Hey, I get it – the Trad Catholics can be a bit tiresome (I actually lean a bit left theologically; that whole Divine Mercy thing has sunk deep into me), but they aren’t terrorists. Unlike, you know, Antifa/BLM who are…and are also crooks and con artists, into the bargain. The sort of people the FBI might want to look into before they tackle the lady on her way to Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. And I would like to remind one and all that while we Catholics are pretty easy going…we can become Cristeros at need.

The World Bank is cutting off funding to Uganda because of a recently passed law restricting homosexuality. Now, to be sure, I don’t think Uganda should have passed this law. I don’t think the government should be in the business of policing the personal relationships of the citizens. But here’s the thing: I’m not Ugandan. Not my country. The people of Uganda are perfectly capable of exercising their own judgement about what is best for themselves and while I can offer my opinion on it, I in no way have the right to try to force a people to live as I think best. The purpose of The World Bank is to provide funding to poor nations so they can rise out of poverty. Uganda has a Per Capita Income of about a grand a year. That’s pretty poor, if you ask me. They could probably use some economic development…but what they don’t need is rich, white foreigners telling them how to live. The old Imperialism sought to bring Christian truth and material advancement…the new Imperialism seeks to make the world like San Francisco.

49 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 10, 2023 / 8:48 am

    The purpose of The World Bank is to provide funding to poor nations so they can rise out of poverty.

    LMAO, that’s the best joke I’ve heard in a long time. Just curious, is there even one example of their success????

    …the new Imperialism seeks to make the world like San Francisco.

    Can you blame them? SF is a model of Progressive perfection. Open drug use, rampant homelessness, human feces on the streets … what’s not to like? And Democrat Mayor London Breed doesn’t want to hear anything from white men on how she governs.

    Isn’t it weird hearing that the Inflation Reduction Act was the largest ever investment in green technology, while gas and grocery prices keep going up? Do you suppose they lied about that one?

    Remember Solyndra? Or how about Enron? Remember when the national debt was only $4 trillion when globalist George W Bush was elected President in 2000? Where are we at now? $26 trillion? That’s over $1 trillion a year for the last 20 years that the Ruling Class has been handing out. Now ask yourself, is life better in America since 2000, or worse? And it’s the same people; Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, Feinstein, Graham, etc., etc.

    Think about this – The Biden family has raked in over $20 million since 2014 from foreign Oligarchs and no one really gives a shit. That’s how FUCKED up this country is.

  2. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 10, 2023 / 9:01 am

    Unless this country does a 180 and reverses course from Democrat insanity, I want to caution everyone and certainly the children to be very cautious about everything in the years to come. Because soon, we will have doctors hired because they had the right skin color at the time of application, which also includes airline pilots, car mechanics, dentists, pharmacists, etc. Democrats believe that expertise and merit takes a back seat to their social engineering experiments, and people will die. If you want a preview, just go to any large blue city.

  3. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 10, 2023 / 9:18 am

    Hey does anyone know how Gavin Newsome’s fight to save the planet is coming along??? LMAO. If only he had enough time to tend to his State

    CJ Sveen of Northern California says his homeowners insurance renewal was denied after AAA took drone photos and videos and said his yard had unnecessary hazards. Marilyn Smith was told her insurance could not be renewed because she had drained her pool during the California draught. Experts say insurance companies are currently suing technology like drone surveillance to find any and all reasons to deny policies. This comes months after State Farm and Allstate announced they would not issue any new home insurance policies in California due to wildfire risks and inflation costs.

  4. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook August 10, 2023 / 4:45 pm

    Good post about scientific fraud by Bob Malone.

    My eyes widened when I saw a recent headline, There’s far more scientific fraud than anyone wants to admit. The topic was not unknown to me nor did I doubt the premise; my surprise was due to its appearance in The Guardian, the self-congratulatory flagship of vaccine promotion and bearer of the shield against those who dare to question the deities of science.

    Over the course of three years, Guardian editors enthusiastically attacked anyone who doubted the pharmaceutical industry’s insistence that we should just trust them.

    This is the very same Guardian newspaper that disseminated false claims about the so-called disinformation dozen, in an attempt to shut down those who raised concerns about how medical science decided to battle a flu virus. The research organization that generated this report is now being sued specifically because of its use of questionable data to make sweeping claims; a challenge Guardian editors must staunchly defend against to protect their own behavior and interests.

    The destructive compromises made by news media during the COVID fiasco are well-documented for those who care to look beyond the propaganda. Yet this recent piece on questionable research practices has been published by The Guardian without any reference to their own twisted pharmaceutical pabulum produced over the last three years. How could they read this essay without an iota of self-introspection?

    Easy asnwer – as Cluster said in a previous threat, they have zero self-awareness.

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan August 10, 2023 / 8:16 pm

      Or the global powers that be are prepping for a Trump run in 2024 and so want to make it “Trump’s poison vaccine”.

      Don’t doubt me on this – they will try it.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 9:40 am

        I’ve been making this point for about a year now. I expect the attack to come from Trump’s opponents, as it was Biden who put on his Dictator Hat and decreed that people MUST take these experimental drugs or lose their essential freedoms, such as the right to work or to travel freely. It seems like a dangerous tactic for the Left to demand that we forget this, and the billions Biden funneled to the drug companies, and the legal protection his administration provided to them from liability for damages. The whole “poison vaxx” theme has more danger to the Left than to Trump, but is a time bomb ready to be set off by Trump opponents. If somehow Trump is the nominee, he won’t really be able to use this against Biden, or against the system that is in favor of this kind of tyranny.

  5. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 11, 2023 / 9:23 am

    Good first step … now just follow through. The corrupt and creepy Joe Biden is proving to be the most dangerous president in American history, both globally and domestically. The Biden Crime family is a direct threat to our Republic.

    I intend on filing impeachment resolution on Joe Biden for bribery, for extortion, obstruction of justice, fraud, financial involvement in drugs and prostitution, all of these things,” Steube said.

    According to Steube, the evidence supporting these allegations includes witness testimonies, financial records, text messages, phone conversations, and the controversial laptop that has been linked to Biden’s son, Hunter. He emphasized that Republicans have been gathering this evidence since the beginning of the Congress, and he believes there’s enough to support the impeachment articles.

    “We have all the facts and evidence now… They’ll be filed [today]. So we’ll do a press release with all the details, it’s pages upon pages of all the different things that we have gathered as Republicans,” he said.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/rep-greg-steube-announces-file-impeachment-resolution-against/

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:11 am

      So Biden is impeached. Then what?

      Let’s look at possible results of an impeachment:

      (1) Biden is impeached but there is so little coverage of the hearing that most Democrats never hear any of the testimony, only being told by the Complicit Agenda Media that this is is just a mean-spirited attack out of revenge of what is happening to Trump. Any effort to use the impeachment to remove him from office fails but he gains the same increased support from the alleged persecution that Trump is getting, making him a stronger candidate. (Remember, his base doesn’t care about corruption. It only cares about humiliating and punishing Trump.)

      (2) Biden is impeached and somehow, for some reason, enough Dems find enough backbone to vote for removal from office, giving us President Kamala Harris, an incumbent running in 2024 who can pick a strong VP candidate.

      (3) The evidence against Biden is so alarming that he withdraws from the race in plenty of time for someone else to be nominated, making all the evidence against him meaningless in terms of effectiveness in defeating the Democrat nominee and giving us a stronger opponent than Biden would have been

      But DAMN, it felt so good to impeach him! Poking ourselves in the eye never felt so good!

      BTW, any effort to prosecute him for his crimes will fail. We can hardly spend years commenting on his dementia and then claim he is capable of standing trial. So we have accomplished…….what?

      I say he does more harm to himself and the Democrat brand by staying in office. I say leave him alone, while piling up evidence to be used against him once he is the official Dem nominee. Why throw it all at a symbolic impeachment instead of where it would matter, in the actual election? I say getting Biden in as the official Dem nominee and then letting the campaign run for a while as it would have to run, if he were the nominee—basically another Basement Campaign, only more so—would be more helpful to our side. The closer it is to the election date gets increasingly problematic to ditch him and bring in a ringer, and the structure of an election allows for more information to come out about him.

      I say let the Dems deal with the inevitable problem of what to do about Harris if Biden is the nominee. They can’t keep her but there is political cost in ditching her—let THEM pay the cost.

      The Dems have a senile, corrupt potential candidate, which you want to remove so they can not only have a better one but can blame us for all sorts of nefarious motives in going after him. The Dems have a tiger by the tail with Harris—-they can’t let her go, because of fallout due to rejecting a black woman, and they can’t hang on because she is so toxic—and you want to take some steps to strengthen her position. The Dems have two insurmountable problems if we just leave them alone, but you want to rush in and remove or mitigate both of them.

      Because it would just feel so good!

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 10:21 am

        Simply can not allow this level of corruption to go unimpeached. We will deal with the consequences later like we always do. One hurdle at a time

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:51 am

        We will deal with the consequences later like we always do. When I read this I thought of the iconic Road To Nowhere in San Francisco, which seems like an excellent illustration of that mentality. I’m glad you are not a military leader (“Let’s just drop that bomb and later we’ll see if it was the right target”) or a contractor or even an accountant. I think you’re letting your fanboi adoration of Donald Trump and your sliding into Magical Thinking make you sound reckless and irrational.

        This attitude of just barging ahead with what FEELS good and worrying about “the consequences later” is a luxury that isn’t necessarily dangerous when exhibited by individual citizens but is terribly dangerous in leaders

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 11:10 am

        Did you even look at my admittedly incomplete list of possible outcomes of an impeachment? Do you agree or disagree with them? Do you have any other ideas about what kind of outcome we might get from a Biden impeachment?

        An impeachment is merely a process, like a trial. Do you want the process, or do you want a conviction as the result of the process? Do you think the same way the Dems think about indictments—that the process itself is enough to damage the person, and is therefore the goal in and of itself?

        What do you want the process to accomplish? Are you truly saying you have no end goal in mind, and just want to go through the experience to see what it feels like and where it ends up?

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 12:49 pm

        I will later. I’m in the middle of cleaning up after tenants. What fun

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 5:10 pm

        Come to think of it, the debate over what then re: impeachment is pointless because the Senate will never remove him. But the House needs to impeach. They have enough evidence

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 7:11 pm

        Impeachment is not removal from office. I keep asking “what then”? and you keep dodging the question.

        Impeachment is a process. The Left would have liked impeaching Trump to lead to removal from office, but the real goal was just to impeach, period. To have the process, because it (1) gave the Left the chance to grandstand in front of cameras and convince the ignorant that there was a lot of fire under their elaborate smoke screens and (2) make the ignorant think that an “impeachment” as such is anything more than a list of reasons some people think someone did something wrong in office. Is this what you want to accomplish, only coming from our side?

        So when you carry on about “impeachment” the question of “what next” is important. So, you impeach, which essentially just means lining up a bunch of evidence to indicate/prove wrongdoing. Then what? Stop there because the goal was just to create a stage where the evidence could be presented and Republicans could speechify about it? Stop there because the goal was just to get that information out in a better way than we have been able to do so far?

        Because, as you admit, a bigger goal of using the impeachment process to lead to removal from office is a non-starter, always has been, always will be.

        So the question of “what next” really IS important. Though apparently baffling. I asked two questions in one of my posts:

        An impeachment is merely a process, like a trial. Do you want the process, or do you want a conviction as the result of the process? Do you think the same way the Dems think about indictments—that the process itself is enough to damage the person, and is therefore the goal in and of itself?

        What do you want the process to accomplish? Are you truly saying you have no end goal in mind, and just want to go through the experience to see what it feels like and where it ends up?

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 9:07 pm

        Establish corruption and guilt. And then let the Senate show America what they’re made of. The evidence is there, IMO, but there’s more I’m sure. Time is of the essence considering the appointment of the Special Counsel which is just a tactic to slow walk the whole thing. Congress can make it all public.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:12 pm

        So what would you want the Senate to do? Remove Biden after a guilty verdict?

        And then what?

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:17 pm

        I suggested considering three possible outcomes to impeachment. You couldn’t be bothered to consider any of them. But here they are again:

        Let’s look at possible results of an impeachment:

        (1) Biden is impeached but there is so little coverage of the hearing that most Democrats never hear any of the testimony, only being told by the Complicit Agenda Media that this is is just a mean-spirited attack out of revenge of what is happening to Trump. Any effort to use the impeachment to remove him from office fails but he gains the same increased support from the alleged persecution that Trump is getting, making him a stronger candidate. (Remember, his base doesn’t care about corruption. It only cares about humiliating and punishing Trump.)

        (2) Biden is impeached and somehow, for some reason, enough Dems find enough backbone to vote for removal from office, giving us President Kamala Harris, an incumbent running in 2024 who can pick a strong VP candidate.

        (3) The evidence against Biden is so alarming that he withdraws from the race in plenty of time for someone else to be nominated, making all the evidence against him meaningless in terms of effectiveness in defeating the Democrat nominee and giving us a stronger opponent than Biden would have been

        It appears that your passion for impeachment has a possible outcome that simply ends at a guilty verdict. Or maybe at removal from office. And then, after that……crickets. Would the impeachment, and/or removal from office, have the long-term effect of helping us or hurting us? Who cares? We got the impeachment, that’s all that matters, right?

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:46 pm

        Some people can make a coherent argument for impeachment. This is one of them”

        Impeachment is the only way to give Republicans the subpoena power to force all of Hunter’s business partners and the foreign protagonists to testify or face charges. Then they can expose all the shell companies and banks that laundered the money and expose the extent of the bribes and “pay for play” money laundering from the most corrupt President in American history. Those of us who are paying attention already know this but it will force all the mainstream media, who are and have been blatantly covering for the Biden’s, (sic)to report the story for the other half of America who has no idea of the extent of the criminality.

        But it still doesn’t address the point I have made, which is that we need to consider the danger of making Biden so toxic to the Dems that they replace him with someone newer, with a fresher face and someone with less baggage.

        If I thought for a minute that exposing the Biden corruption could influence the election, I would be all over any approach to getting that done. A scenario in which an investigation changed enough minds to turn an adequate number of Biden voters away from him would get my support.

        What I am getting at is that to accomplish this, we need to have either an alternative Republican candidate who is not so toxic that it is impossible for a Dem to vote for him or a Republican candidate who is not so toxic that even a vote for corrupt Biden is preferable. Just making Biden really hard to vote for wouldn’t be enough if it is overwhelmed by a compulsion to vote AGAINST the other guy. It’s hard if not impossible to get a discussion that gets that far when any question about the pros and cons of impeachment run into silly pseudo-defenses that act as speed bumps to actual productive discourse.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:07 pm

        the House needs to impeach.

        And then what?

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 3:36 pm

        Because dropping bombs and impeaching a corrupt President are the same thing? Who knew?

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 6:57 pm

        Don’t be silly. We are talking about doing something dramatic with potential major consequences with the attitude of “Let’s just do it and worry about the consequences later”. You know this and are just playing some silly word game.

        Pick any action that might have dramatic consequences.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 9:08 pm

        No it’s that dramatic at all. Hell they impeached Trump twice and nothing happened. C’mon.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:06 pm

        Yes, they impeached Trump. And what did they get out of it? They looked foolish, they set themselves up as petty revenge-seekers, and accomplished nothing to speak of. That seems like an odd inspiration for us.

        There are two ways an impeachment can be effective. One is if the people we want to educate about the corruption of the target of the impeachment give a damn and could be influenced by the revelations of the process, and the other would be the removal of the subject due to the verdict of the process.

        In the case of impeaching a Democrat, we know the first will not be an issue because Dems don’t care how corrupt their people are, and even if we could accomplish the second—removal of the subject—in the case of Biden/Harris we wouldn’t really be solving any problems at all.

        Therefore the question—“what next?”—-in response to the demand for impeachment. And so far no one has had an answer to that.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:28 pm

        If you’re so hot to impeach, then at least pick a target that would make a difference.

        Impeach Merrick Garland. He can be impeached, it would have an impact, and he could be removed from office without damaging our election prospects. His hearing would be dramatic, informative and productive.

        Impeach Becerra. Send the message that this level of incompetence will not be tolerated. Get rid of him.

        Impeach Wray. Same reasons, same impact.

  6. Jeremiah's avatar Jeremiah August 11, 2023 / 8:34 pm

    America 🇺🇸

  7. jdge's avatar jdge1 August 11, 2023 / 10:14 pm

    Doctors Were Bribed to Promote COVID-19 Jabs

    This should be grounds for medical malpractice at the very least and likely charged as criminal conduct.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 8:25 am

      I think it’s bigger than that …

      SEN. RON JOHNSON: You know doctors I have been dealing with talking to for years now. They may believe, probably hundreds of thousands of Americans lost their lives because they were denied early treatment because the FSA sabotaged Ivermectin and said, “Come on you’re now a cow, you’re not a horse.” This was supposedly horse medicine. No, it was a Nobel prize-winning medicine that could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. It did save many, many lives because people did have doctors with courage to, and the compassion to actually treat patients using it, putting at risk their medical licenses.

      Fortunately, we do have reporters like yourself and John Solomon with the courage to report the truth against the mainstream media and against the narrative. But that is the only way this is solved, we need to truth to be exposed, we need more Americans to listen to the truth, to be exposed to the truth, to pull their heads out of the sand, quite honestly, and open their eyes and understand what has happened in this country.

      We are going down a very dangerous path, but it is a path that is being laid out and planned by an elite group of people that want to take total control over our lives, and that’s what they are doing, bit by bit. They do it by increasing massive government spending, increasing the size of government, take over of the WHO, these amendments coming that are going to be voted on in 2024 at the WHO are frightening, they really risk taking away all of our sovereignty. People have to wake up awaken to the dangers of the moment.

      MARIA BARTIROMO: It is just extraordinary to me that the government was working with social media to amplify lies and suppress truth and has been doing so repeatedly. We just saw the Facebook story, the Twitter files, all of the all the way, government officials from the CDC, FBI, you know CIA, a thousand people according to the reporters working on the Twitter files, worked with social media to amplify lies and suppress truth.

      Why couldn’t the American people know that, you know, there were other alternatives to treat Covid why can’t American people know there were side effects with the vaccine?

      JOHNSON: This is all preplanned by an elite group of people, that is what I am talking about, Event 201 occurred in late 2019, prior to the rest of us knowing about the pandemic. Again — this is very concerning in terms of what is happening, what continues to be planned for our loss of freedom.

      BARTIROMO: Um-hmm.

      JOHNSON: It needs to be exposed but unfortunately, very few people even in Congress are willing to take a look at this. They all pushed the vaccine, they don’t want to be made aware of the fact that vaccines might have caused injuries or death, so many people simply just don’t want to admit they were wrong and they’re going to do everything they can to make sure they’re not proven wrong.

      We are up against a very powerful group of people here, Maria.

  8. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 9:22 am

    How do we know Trump will win the 2024 election?? BECAUSE he won in 2020. I’m tired of listening to people claiming he can’t win because he doesn’t appeal to blah blah blah … fact is, he won 2020 by a landslide and he can do it again.

    MI AG Dana Nessel CONFIRMS 8,000 to 10,000 Suspected Fraudulent Registrations Delivered to Muskegon Clerk October 2020, as Noted in MI State Police Report She Buried from Public

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/breaking-mi-ag-dana-nessel-confirms-8000-10000/

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:31 am

      Oh, goodie! Does this mean that your Magical Thinking will extend to the ability to control the kinds and levels of fraud that led to the bogus election results in 2020?

      When you manage to dial down the fandom aspect and just look at the hard cold fact, you see two candidates who would have the same goals, the same agendas, and the same understanding of the problems that need to be solved. They have very similar skill sets, and therefore very equal chances of accomplishing those goals. One is burdened with massive baggage, including the carefully crafted rabid loathing of about half of the nation that is so locked-in that it will never change, leading to a fanatical dedication to not only defeating him but humiliating and punishing him. One has zero baggage, at least nothing that has not been generated by the Agenda Media and which amounts to fretting about his donors and his wife’s eyebrows. One appeals to those who crave a lot of emotion, loving melodrama and name calling and rolling around in the gutter in displays of rampant Identity Politics, and one is a boring workman who just puts one foot in front of another, carefully crafting strategies and getting the job done without emotion and chair-throwing and hysteria.

      The real question is which would have more appeal to a broader swath of American voters?

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:41 am

      Did you read the article? What penalty did the woman receive, for dropping off all these fraudulent registrations? (Hint: none. There isn’t even an indication that she was fired. Why fired instead of prosecuted? Because the “investigation” showed that all she did was act AGAINST HER COMPANY and not in the interest of influencing the election!) “The leading internal indication was that fraud was being perpetrated against GBI Strategies by its employees to fabricate work product without conducting the work expected of them and not in explicit pursuit of defrauding the election infrastructure of the state.”
      …………….
      “The city clerk in Muskegon detected the fraudulent material provided and alerted the proper authorities,” Wimmer said in a statement. “A thorough investigation was conducted by multiple agencies within the state and no successful fraud was perpetrated upon the state’s election process or qualified voter file.”

      So this alarming number had no impact whatsoever on the total vote count.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 3:43 pm

        Well that proves it … no ballot fraud in 2020. Good to know. And really It’s best not to do anything, because you know … what then? I mean what if we upset those 81 million Biden voters by taking over school boards, legislatures, and media and start teaching about political systems … what then? Evidence is that a lot of Americans couldn’t give a shit about systems as long as they’re on the receiving end.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 7:03 pm

        You are really stretching, trying to make solid arguments out of nothing. Nothing I said indicated in any way that there was “no ballot fraud in 2020”. I merely pointed out that to make a point you really need to use an example that actually does make that point.

        …what if we upset those 81 million Biden voters by taking over school boards, legislatures, and media and start teaching about political systems … what then? Not sure where you think are going with this, but then I don’t think you know, either. But I’ll play.

        What if we started to realize, and act on, the reality that self government starts at the bottom and works its way up—is that your question? “What if” we were to do that? What if we were to take control of our local governments, and what if we were to start teaching our children the structure of political systems so they would start to think in terms of the best blueprint for governing the nation instead of which person gets us all excited? Gee—maybe eventually an educated populace that would vote on an understanding of and commitment to a certain political structure instead of just some giddy fan-club emotion?

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 9:07 pm

        You’re believing Dana Nessell. I don’t. She’s an activist, not an AG.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 10:11 pm

        You’re the one who posted the link. You’re the one who appeared to be oh so impressed that Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel on Thursday CONFIRMED that 8,000 to 10,000 suspected fraudulent registrations were delivered to Muskegon City Clerk prior to the 2020 election.

        I merely pointed out that the “investigation” showed that the “suspected fraudulent registrations (not ballots)” did not represent votes, and were declared to be not an effort to influence the election but an effort to defraud the company by claiming that work had been done that had not been done.

        Your own link says she is the Attorney General, your own link quoted her confirmation that these suspected fraudulent registrations had been delivered, and your act of posting the link seemed to indicate that YOU found this informative and significant.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 12, 2023 / 3:46 pm

        Please reread Sen. Ron Johnson’s warning … I tend to think the Senator knows a hell of a lot, and I think he’s 100% correct.

        We are up against a very powerful group of people here, Maria

  9. Amazona's avatar Amazona August 12, 2023 / 7:46 pm

    Ivermectin Is Suddenly OK for COVID?

    Now the FDA claims it never came out against using ivermectin to treat Covid

    Ashley Cheung Honold, a Department of Justice (DOJ) lawyer representing the FDA, claims the agency never said doctors couldn’t prescribe ivermectin.

    “What about when it said, ‘No, stop it’?” Circuit Judge Jennifer Walker Elrod asked Honold, referring to the aforementioned tweet. “Why isn’t that a command? If you were in English class, they would say that was a command.”

    In response, Honold fell on her clown sword and stated that those words were “merely quips.”

  10. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 13, 2023 / 8:26 am

    They looked foolish, they set themselves up as petty revenge-seekers, and accomplished nothing to speak of.

    They accomplished nothing?? Really? Where are we today? What they accomplished was severely damaging Trump in the minds of many, including you possibly, and they brought as much evidence as possible, real or manufactured, into the public square.

    We should do the same with Biden. It’s a no brainer.

    And TGP found the ballot fraud story, … Dana Nessel buried it. Do you believe her?

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 13, 2023 / 9:50 am

      including ME, possibly”? Oh, give me a freaking break. This sniping is so inane and juvenile. Just stop pretending that I am anti-Trump. Just stop pretending that I have not been defending him, saying he was a great president and that I would be thrilled to be able to just drop him back into the White House. Just stop pretending that I have not posted article after article after article detailing various forms of election fraud, plus articles on the election rigging that took place before a vote was even cast with the Russia Hoax. Just stop ignoring the salient points I have made about the various House committees engaging in election interference by trying to keep Trump off the ballot.

      You OUGHT to be able to have a mature, rational discussion about the pros and cons of a Trump campaign without resorting to childish efforts to turn me into something I am not—to make me the straw man you can then take swings at. Just stop it.

      YOU’RE the one who said, just a few posts ago, Hell they impeached Trump twice and nothing happened.

      Fine. Just drop this useless and futile thread. Go ahead with your fairy dust and Magical Thinking, convinced that gee, if we can just tell the Dems how bad Joe is they won’t vote for him, and gee, Trump still has every single vote he got last time so this time they will count. Just keep refusing to stand back and objectively evaluate the facts on the ground, when they interfere with your wishful thinking and fanboi adoration rituals.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 13, 2023 / 10:03 am

      And TGP found the ballot fraud story, … Dana Nessel buried it. Do you believe her?

      Who gives a flying F whether I believe Nessel or not?

      (1) It was not “ballot fraud”. It was about a bunch of VOTER REGISTRATIONS, not ballots.
      (2) As far as I can tell, Nessel was not responsible for the investigation ( conducted by multiple agencies within the state ) which concluded:

      “The leading internal indication was that fraud was being perpetrated against GBI Strategies by its employees to fabricate work product without conducting the work expected of them and not in explicit pursuit of defrauding the election infrastructure of the state.”
      …………….
      “The city clerk in Muskegon detected the fraudulent material provided and alerted the proper authorities,” Wimmer said in a statement. “A thorough investigation was conducted by multiple agencies within the state and no successful fraud was perpetrated upon the state’s election process or qualified voter file.”

      If you can produce some evidence that this is not true, that these bogus registrations were accepted to allow votes to be cast and that Nessel was somehow complicit in either accomplishing this or “burying” it, then produce what you’ve got. You seem to be fixated on Nessel for some reason, just as you seem fixated on portraying me as a RINO or Dem supporter or Trump hater or whatever has your panties in such a twist that you feel compelled to challenge me on a personal level.

  11. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 13, 2023 / 8:32 am

    … the Dems that they replace him with someone newer, with a fresher face and someone with less baggage.”

    That’s already going to happen. Keep an eye on Gavin Newsome. The effort is to make the Democrat Party toxic. Do you honestly think if Biden is exposed and impeached, voters will run to the polls to reward his Party again??

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 13, 2023 / 9:41 am

      Do you honestly think if Biden is exposed and impeached, voters will run to the polls to reward his Party again??

      Yes. At least some of them will. They have their tribal jerseys, they have their deeply implanted loathing of the Invented Other they think are Republicans, and yes, they will not be deterred by corruption in their ranks.

      BUT…even more will likely line up behind someone who seems marginally less corrupt and is more attractive.

      But back to your question: Do you think these newly disenchanted Democrats who have suddenly discovered ethics will then vote for a Republican? Or will they just not vote at all?

      Which takes me to my comment: we need to have either an alternative Republican candidate who is not so toxic that it is impossible for a Dem to vote for him or a Republican candidate who is not so toxic that even a vote for corrupt Biden is preferable. Just making Biden really hard to vote for wouldn’t be enough if it is overwhelmed by a compulsion to vote AGAINST the other guy.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 13, 2023 / 2:09 pm

        Yes, I think a lot of Dems will sit this election out, regardless of candidate. Have you seen all the disgusted inner city Democrats who can’t believe their eyes what their once beautiful cities have become? How about all the border Democrats being over run, or the millions of women who object to men intruding on their athletics. Democrats have over played their hand, their losing popularity, and their agenda is imploding … now is the time to drive the stake through their heart.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 13, 2023 / 3:56 pm

        I hope a lot of Dems just sit this election out, but hope is not a strategy. And it is foolish to overlook or underestimate the depth and intensity of Trump Hatred in about 46% of the American electorate.

  12. Amazona's avatar Amazona August 13, 2023 / 12:39 pm

    While we are talking about threats to the nation, it might be time to bring up a very real concern among millions of conservatives. That is, that rabid MAGA Trumpsters will tank the election and basically hand it to the Left if their idol is not nominated. (Here I mention that for years I have vigorously fought the claim that support for Trump was based on adoration of him as a person, but that the current hyperemotional support for him is changing that to a belief that there is now a very strong hint of super-fandom rather than objective analysis of his strengths and weaknesses.)

    We expect conflict between the two major political parties. We talk at length about the damage done by the increasingly hostile and toxic divisiveness we are seeing as the Left successfully fragments our society into disparate groups and then sets them against each other, fomenting conflict and hostility and chaos. But the real threat, as I see it, is the internal conflict on the Right, as what is increasingly seen as a personality cult threatens the ability of the Right to come together and work together to accomplish the important job of putting the nation back on track.

    The simple fact is, no matter how much we may think Trump would be a good president, many of us deeply fear that he would not be able to deal with defeat in the primary, and would then basically take his ball and go home, dragging millions of his acolytes along with him in a petty retaliation for what would be seen as a personal affront.

    Perhaps a lot of the mounting conflict would be avoided if the Trump camp were to send the clear and unambiguous message that its real concern and real agenda is the retaking of our government by the Right, and its absolute enthusiastic support for whoever wins the primary. As the passions of the Trumpers grows, and their perception of being them against the rest of the party increases, so does the fear that it might be the Trumpers more than any other element that poses the greatest danger.

    I think we have seen a microcosm of this here in the recent conflict between Cluster and me. To me, a question is just a request for information, often to fill out a discussion, but it appears that to Cluster a question about a couple of hypersensitive topics is really a challenge that must be demolished by any means. Whether the topic is Trump or impeachment, the concept that anything short of total agreement must be attacked is harmful to our movement. And when it comes to Trump, it feeds the fear that resentment at not being chosen by the people to run for the presidency might lead to abandoning the party and sacrificing the election.

    A little less emotion and a calmer approach to simply accepting and discussing various perceptions and concerns would help alleviate some of these fears.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 13, 2023 / 1:20 pm

      No, it’s just the drama I object too. Impeaching Biden is necessary to expose the corruption and the lying. Bring it all into the public square and let the public decide. There’s no drama to that … for me anyway.

      Also yesterday at the Iowa fair, the crowd for Trump was massive and none of them looked over emotional or unhinged, nor did there appear to be any “fanboi” zealots. I just saw a lot of concerned Americans who appreciate someone who is willing to fight and not clutch their pearls over how it looks.

      I challenge any other candidate, R or D, to amass a crowd that big. They can’t do it. But what those other candidates can do, is fundraise from the establishment of both parties, and take direction from the Military Industrial Complex and their donors.

      And no I don’t believe Dana Nessell when she said she stopped all the fraudulent ballots.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 13, 2023 / 3:54 pm

        The article was not about ballots. It was about voter registrations. There are two steps between having a fake registration document and casting a vote. The document has to be entered into the record, and then someone has to cast a ballot based on that record before the end result can be a fraudulent vote.

        I can’ tell you how sick and tired I am of the snark and sneering that when people voice legitimate concerns they are accused of merely clutching their pearls and fretting over how something “might look”. It’s this dismissive, demeaning attitude toward anyone who has a legitimate concern over Trump issues that is creating a lot of resentment.

        I would LOVE to have Trump roll right over everyone in the primary—-if I could have more faith that he could then do the same in the election. I would LOVE to have the calculations of the Left—that they want him to win the primary because they are so sure they can rig the election more easily with Trump as their opposition—prove to be false.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 13, 2023 / 2:05 pm

      And I don’t think Trump has to worry about losing in the primary. An incumbent is hard to beat lol, but he is up by a significant margin

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