Open Thread

Word is that Pudding Brain has a fake e mail address. Oddly, it is a .gov address…which means he was helped in getting it by employees of the government. Like spending half his time in Delaware, this is a means whereby he avoids FOIA requests…if it doesn’t happen in the White House or in Biden’s official communications, then it doesn’t show up in oversight. To be sure, some of this is to make sure Biden is just out of the public eye – he can barely do an hour of work a day – but most of it is just to hide what is going on. From you. As Joe said, he doesn’t work for us.

Lot of argument about whether or not Trump should drop the 2020 vote issue. Maybe he should: but I’d like to point out that the GOP’s best chance of an easy move-on from Trump was for it to loudly proclaim 2020 as filled with questions and pledging to vindicate Trump’s assertion. Trump is mad – he had the White House stolen from him. It doesn’t matter if you believe that; he does. And the anger is doubled by all the GOPers he helped out dropping dime on him. This, I think, is the reason he’s running: he wants vindication.

Seems an IRS agent killed another IRS agent in a shoot out – which leaves us with the question: why are IRS agents armed?

Ninth Circuit has ruled that Idaho’s ban on biological males competing in women’s sports is unconstitutional…on what possible grounds I can’t imagine. I’m sure they dressed it up under equal protection but for heaven’s sake this issue has only existed even in theory since the 1970’s and we have no legal consensus on how all this works. Just because someone says it is so doesn’t make it so – this will go to the Supreme Court where I view it’s future as murky. There could be 2 sorta-Right Justices who want to make a name for themselves on the left on this issue as Kennedy did on SSM. The real problem here is the Courts refusing to hold themselves bound by the law – whatever is in the Constitution, this issue isn’t covered by it, plus or minus. It is therefore a matter for the States or the people to decide.

We do have in the Constitution the power to regular how federal courts operate – the right to appeal to the federal judiciary is not absolute…and as the Courts are selective in what cases they take, we can be selective in what cases they can hear. I’d hold that for a federal court to even hear a case they’d have to quote chapter and verse where the case is covered under the Constitution before they even start. I’d also work on a bit of State nullification: that is, a State going ahead and enforcing the law even if a federal court strikes it down on the grounds that the federal courts have no power over the issue. Depending on who is in the White House this could get interesting…but to me it is a fight worth having. That is: making it clear that there are issues the federal government simply has zero authority over. And lets see a President try to arrest the government of a State for not obeying a court order. Sometimes to get change you have to provoke a crisis.

Main thing: there isn’t supposed to be a final word under our system of government: it was certainly never meant to be 9 judges making the final call.

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  1. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook August 18, 2023 / 9:15 am

    I had an interesting visit from my sister last week. We talk, email, and text fairly often, but we hadn’t seen each other in 10 years. She lives in Montana and I live in Indiana. She lost her husband last year, and I lost my wife this spring, so a lot of our time was spent commiserating over our respective losses. She’s a Lefty, but as Amazona notes of herself in an earlier life, an unexamined Lefty. I think she turned out the way she did because her husband was a Lefty, and their friends are all Lefties.

    I was bound and determined to not spoil the visit by bringing up politics, but she brought it up first, and we had some really interesting conversations. Unlike most Progressives I’ve known, my sister actually exhibited a shred of intellectual curiosity, which, had that not been the case, would have made for a really horrible visit. She started asking me about issues, and was a bit startled when I answered that most issues are not covered by the U.S. Constitution, that individual states can do as they please, and if individuals in a state don’t want to abide by the wishes of the majority, they have the right to move to another state where the majority shares their views. She was a bit flabbergasted and asked what actually drives my political thinking. When I told her I’m more driven by principles rather than issues (including things like personal and fiscal responsibility, courage, honor, integrity, faith, self-reliance, rugged individualism, perseverance, and individual liberty, she didn’t know what to say, so (you guessed it) she attacked Trump.

    True, depending on how you examine his life, Trump comes up short on several of those principles, but I don’t know anyone who doesn’t. When I mentioned that, compared to Biden, Trump is a Boy Scout, she asked, “how so?” Turns out she knows virtually nothing about the corruption of the Biden family or Joe’s history of lying, plagiarizing, groping, sniffing, etc. How is that possible, you might ask? She listens to NPR and watches CNN. She flew back to Montana last Sunday with lots of questions in her mind.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 18, 2023 / 9:34 am

      It’s easy to be Leftist in Montana, or Idaho, or Wyoming …. because they never have to suffer from the results of the policies they support lol.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook August 18, 2023 / 10:07 am

        I forgot the most important part of our conversation. My sister said that Trump is such a jerk, and asked what I could possibly like about him. I told her the list is so long that I got tired trying to remember all of it every time someone asked me that question, so I wrote it down.

        I freely admit that I never got to the point where I liked Trump much as a person, however, the farther he got into his presidency, the more I liked what he was doing.  I came to believe that he was the right man at the right time.  He did more for every day Americans than any president in my lifetime.  Just a few of the major things he did that I applaud: reduced illegal immigration, negotiated new (and by all accounts, better) international trade deals, reversed the Obama administration’s hostility toward Israel and moved the American Embassy to Jerusalem (4 previous presidents promised to do this — none did), defeated ISIS and eliminated several major terrorist leaders, pushed back on China, defused the North Korean nuclear threat, began winding down foreign military entanglements, appointed three outstanding originalist Supreme Court justices and nearly 300 originalist federal court judges, eliminated thousands of job-killing government regulations, achieved historic income gains and unemployment rates for minorities, and negotiated three historic Mid East peace accords — the first in several decades for which he received several Nobel Peace Prize nominations.

        Turns out my sister was unaware of most of the accomplishments on that list. I’m betting, without a great deal of effort, Cluster, Amazona, and JDGE can add to my list.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 18, 2023 / 2:56 pm

        One of the things that most impressed me, and which I still think posed the greatest threat to the Left, was his beginning to dismantle the Bureaucratic State, or the Deep State. He understood the danger of a nation run by unelected political appointees using federal agencies to essentially legislate by passing rules and regulations that have the power of law, without the participation or even oversight of Congress. The job-killing regulations he eliminated were all put into place by unelected political appointees, which is why he was able to eliminate them with the stroke of a pen—they had never been properly legislated and were merely imposed upon us.

        The Left spend decades putting this Bureaucratic State into power, and Trump posed a true existential threat to it—that is, a threat to its very existence—by slashing budgets, reducing the size and scope of agency authority, and most of all starting to break up the cozy and corruption-encouraging relationship of having all of these agencies close together, in the heart of the Beltway, where they were easily accessible by power brokers and lobbyists and could easily interact with each other.

        When he moved the Bureau of Land Management to western Colorado and the Department of Agriculture to Missouri, the writing was on the wall for the Left and its power structure, which is why he needed to be eliminated by any means possible before he did any more damage to their carefully constructed fourth branch of government. The prospect of having federal agencies scattered around the country meant that they would each lose some of their power, and be less accessible to outside influences.

        But your list is impressive and covered more than I would have been able to think of.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 18, 2023 / 11:24 am

        Mortgage rates averaged less than 3% under Trump. Today, the average is 7.1% and with another up coming rate hike by the Fed, that average will be close to 8% in the next 45 days.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 18, 2023 / 3:01 pm

        Not that this will have a domino effect on the entire economy by hampering real estate transactions. //sarc off

        When people can’t sell houses or buy houses or build houses, this has a huge impact on the economy. The housing bust of 2008 is not that far in the past, and interestingly enough it, too, was caused by federal interference and political gamesmanship.

        Factor in the damage done to commercial real estate after the Covid lockdowns teaching businesses that they don’t really need brick and mortar buildings to run their enterprises, and the businesses that simply closed down due to the tyranny of Leftist mismanagement of the plandemic, and we can almost think there is an actual plan by the Left to destroy the economy and make people dependent on the government.

        Gee, do ya think?

      • jdge's avatar jdge1 August 18, 2023 / 11:50 am

        To add to or reaffirm Spooks list;

        • Reduced personal and corporate income tax brackets – largest tax reform in history,
        Doubled the standard deduction,
        Doubled the child tax credit,
        Significantly reduced the Estate or Death tax,
        Over 400 companies announced bonuses, wage increases, new hires, and new investments
        • Minority home ownership percentage increased,
        • Helped return manufacturing jobs to the US which in turn spurred domestic purchases,
        • Stock market increases,
        • Significant GDP growth – third quarter of 2020 the economy grew at a rate of 33.1 percent – the most rapid GDP growth ever recorded,
        • Got out of horrific deal with Iran that gave them truckloads of money for little in return,
        • Got out of horrific Paris Climate Treaty which would have severely hampered business and job growth in the US while doing nothing to hold China or Russia to the same metrics,
        • Eliminated a magnitude of old regulations for every new regulation adopted,
        • Removed nearly 25,000 pages from the federal register,
        • Significantly modified Obamacare that forced costly insurance requirements on individuals,
        • Ended the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and replaced it with the brand new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), that provided numerous protections for US manufacturing & farming,
        • Negotiated with Japan to reduce tariffs, where almost 90 percent of US agricultural receive preferential treatment,
        • Renegotiated the United States- South Korea Free Trade Agreement,
        • Reached an accord with China confronting pirated and counterfeit goods, and the protection of American ideas, trade secrets, patents, and trademarks,
        • Addressed unfair trade practices with the EU,
        • Imposed hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs on Chinese goods, preventing them from “dumping”, a practice that severely injured US companies,
        • Responsible for US energy independence, becoming an energy exporter for the first time in over 70 years, which generated significant savings at the gas pumps and home energy costs,
        • Changed healthcare options for terminal patients allowing the use of trial drugs,
        • Achieved advancements in boarder protections and negotiated with Mexico to stem illegal migration from entering into the US,
        • Ended “catch & release,
        • Forced NATO members to increase their military spending to at least reach their minimum requirements,
        • Reduced UN spending,
        • Advanced several mid-east peace accords,
        • Placed sanctions against Iran,
        • First President to ever meet with North Korea, negotiating the release of American hostages and the return of US military remains,
        • Renewed our relationship with Israel and recognized Jerusalem and their capital by moving the US Embassy there,
        • Reversed the previous Administration’s disastrous Cuba policy,
        • Notable increase in defense spending and rebuilding our military,
        • Established Space Force,
        • Defeated ISIS,
        • Kept the US out of any new wars or conflict engagements,
        • Reformed Department of Veteran Affairs,
        • Steadfast in his support for the unborn,
        • Expanded education opportunities, especially School Choice,

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook August 18, 2023 / 12:47 pm

        JDGE,

        That’s a pretty complete list. The ironic thing is that I think most people who identify as Left-leaning would applaud most of the accomplishments on your list. A lot of what Trump accomplished were things that politicians from both parties have been promising forever, but never delivered.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 18, 2023 / 3:02 pm

        Yeah, but….MEAN TWEETS!

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 12:16 am

        Speaking of lists: Some are getting all swoony about Vivek Ramaswamy. One fan wrote: As has proven to be his style, Ramaswamy wasn’t afraid to wade into the hot-button issues of the radical left, right off the bat, beginning with “God is real,” and “There are two genders.”

        OK. So he said what we have been saying all along. He just put it into a list. And this makes him a prophet? A leader? This is bold? Yes, it tweaks Leftist ideology, but it’s not exactly ground-breaking, or particularly courageous.

        God is real.
        There are only two genders.
        Human flourishing requires fossil fuels.
        Reverse racism is racism.
        An open border is no border.
        Parents determine the education of their children.
        The nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to mankind.
        Capitalism lifts people from poverty.
        There are three branches of government, not four.
        The U.S. Constitution is the strongest guarantor of freedoms in history.

        Good for him, I guess, for organizing these concepts into a coherent list, but there’s nothing new here. I don’t see it justifying seeing him as something really special, so much so that he should be president.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 18, 2023 / 2:36 pm

      You confirm my fear that many on the Left simply have not heard of the things that drive us politically.

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan August 18, 2023 / 9:08 pm

      The unthinking liberal is the standard – they get their news from the MSM and just accept it as Gospel. And it is hard to break out of. What you wrote suddenly brought to mind the late Neil Peart, lyricist and drummer for Rush. The music is a bit after your time (and Geddy Lee’s vocals are an acquired taste) but look at what Peart wrote for the song 2112:

      We’ve taken care of everything
      The words you read
      The songs you sing
      The pictures that give pleasure
      To your eye
      It’s one for all and all for one
      We work together
      Common sons
      Never need to wonder
      How or why

      We are the Priests
      Of the Temples of Syrinx
      Our great computers
      Fill the hallowed halls
      We are the Priests
      Of the Temples of Syrinx
      All the gifts of life
      Are held within our walls

      Look around this world we made
      Equality
      Our stock in trade
      Come and join the Brotherhood
      Of man
      Oh what a nice contented world!
      Let the banners
      Be unfurled!
      Hold the Red Star proudly
      High in hand!

      Clearly an attack on the Left; on the Establishment…on the accepted Narrative. And yet, a couple years before he died, Peart could say that the Democrat party was the decent party compared to the GOP. Why? I can only assume that as smart as he was – and lots of his lyrics are deeply moving and challenging – he still watched TV. Until you break free from the propaganda, you just can’t see it.

      And once again sorry to hear about your Mrs.

      If you want to try some Rush, look up the song “Time Stand Still”…as I age and things pass away, it means more and more to me.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 18, 2023 / 9:18 pm

        Pink Floyd’s The Wall album is almost playing out in real time.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 12:07 am

        If we’re talking lyrics, I ran across these. I’m not a rap fan, but still, truth is truth. I’d never heard of Tom McDonald, a white Canadian rapper, but he seems interesting.

        [Verse 1]
        I’m prayin’ that the world changes soon
        Can’t get a doobie on a plane, but there’s Uzis in our schools
        Every dude who touched a boob or a booty gettin’ MeToo’d
        What you expect from the kids who went to Hooters after school?
        We’re all triggered and defensive, we’re all racist and we’re sexist
        We all grew up watching South Park, how are we offended?
        Now being fat is beautiful? Name a thing that you can’t do?
        Jumping jacks, run a mile, live past 42
        Man, it used to be cool to just flip a bird to the system
        And now it’s trendy to be triggered and pretend you’re a victim
        “It’s my race, it’s my weight, it’s because I’m a Christian
        I hate the internet and anyone who has an opinion”
        And everybody angry if you say “white,” ‘kay fine
        Pass me the brush and I’ll paint my face ’til the shade’s right
        Let’s talk about abortion, sorry, tell me how this works
        Bacteria is life on Mars, but a heartbeat isn’t life on Earth? Weird

        [Chorus]
        People are so stupid, why are y’all so stupid?
        Get better problems, I swear to God that y’all want ’em, y’all so dumb
        People so stupid, people so dumb, people so boo-hoo, wah-wah-wah
        Get better issues, we’re gonna run outta tissues, it’s so dumb

        [Verse 2]
        I’m a hater ’cause I can’t relate to gay pride?
        Call me homophobic because I don’t wanna date guys? ‘Kay, tight
        I, for one, am not surprised the world declined along the way
        Give trophies to children for losin’ just ’cause they decide to play
        We exercise our right to vote then hate the politicians, ayy
        This is a democracy, it’s partly your decision, ayy
        This is weird, feels like this a different year
        If I identify as a female, then will my balls and penis disappear?
        Children want a gender switch and hating men is feminist
        Depression and anxiety are trendy, we’re too sensitive
        Invented 80 genders, mad the world is not accepting it
        Then gave them more attention than normal women and men can get
        What a contradiction, bein’ human is so tragic
        Focused on minorities, ignoring all the masses
        Hallelujah, everyone, activism saved the planet
        No more plastic straws in paper, just paper straws wrapped in plastic, congratulations

        [Chorus]
        People are so stupid, why are y’all so stupid?
        Get better problems, I swear to God that y’all want ’em, y’all so dumb
        People so stupid, people so dumb, people so boo-hoo, wah-wah-wah
        Get better issues, we’re gonna run outta tissues, it’s so dumb

  2. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 18, 2023 / 9:30 am

    9 Judges are still just 1/3 of our Government.

    Just because someone says it is so doesn’t make it so – this will go to the Supreme Court where I view it’s future as murky.

    I agree with you Mark, this is a local issue, not a federal issue. And I think it should be decided by the Fathers of those girls. I’m thinking two black eyes, a split lip, and a bloody nose might discourage those boys who think they are girls from destroying those girls dreams. Also a good way to usher, or better yet, throw them into manhood.

    Was Lahaina Maui allowed to burn down so billionaires could steal the land?

    Ok here’s my dream scenario (which means it will never happen) … Trump drops out of the race and throws his full support to DeSantis. Trump and DeSantis then hold a news conference to say that this is a multi front attack – Trump will fight the Left legally, while DeSantis begins to dismantle them politically. Then Trump and his legal team depose every single person involved in the 2020 election in AZ, WI, PA, and GA and every single deposition is televised. Once Trump is vindicated, DeSantis appoints him a Sec. of State, and sends Trump back to China to “negotiate” with Xi, and to the Ukraine to bitch slap Zelenskyy.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 18, 2023 / 2:41 pm

      I like it a lot. Another version would be for appointing Trump Speaker of the House, thereby sending the left into uncontrollable spasms. DeSantis wouldn’t have the authority to do this, but it would be wonderful to see.

      Your fantasy covers all the bases—gives us a candidate with the same goals and skills as Trump with his support and none of his baggage and it would free him to use the lawfare of the Left against it. Having an attorney, a former federal prosecutor, as president would mean having an effective DOJ to back him up,

  3. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 18, 2023 / 9:40 am

    Well it’s official …. Maui went down the Bud Light road and decided to hire an ignorant Progressive woman as CEO of the largest electricity supplier, who focused on the green agenda rather than actually doing her job.

    Democrats are simply a party of neurotic incompetent women and weak men, and that’s a disastrous recipe

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12417253/Hawaii-Electric-focused-obsessively-renewable-energy-spending-245-000-wildfire-safety.html

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 18, 2023 / 9:56 am

      Related: As The Gateway Pundit previously reported, the devastating wildfires across Maui are a classic toxic combination of liberalism, corruption and inexperience all rolled into one … There’s a dark but hard TRUTH to the Maui catastrophe that has led to over 110 tragic deaths. As wildfires raged, desperate residents petitioned state officials to send more water for firefighting & to help protect their properties from fire.

      That request went unanswered for hours, withholding critical aid to islanders. Now we’re learning that the official who delayed the approval is an Obama Foundation “Asia Pacific Leader” & a climate activist who believes water should be “revered” first and foremost.

      Americans are literally dying under Democrat leadership

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/water-requires-conversations-around-equity-meet-radical-obama/

    • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook August 18, 2023 / 9:58 am

      Longtime environmentalist Michael Shellenberger agrees.

  4. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 9:02 am

    What are the chances the Deep State and the Biden regime start another “pandemic” and impose lock downs next year?? It’s a real possibility.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 10:09 am

        Who are you going to shoot?

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 10:35 am

        Why would I tell you? lol

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 10:44 am

        Just curious. You say get our guns ready to deal with new masking mandates. It seems logical to ask who you would shoot. More to the point, why?

        Shooting a TSA agent won’t make a difference, just get you shot or put in jail. And if you got shot I think it would be a stretch to claim your blood just watered the tree of liberty.

        This macho posturing about getting guns ready makes no sense, though it does seem to meet some emotional need to feel all manly (like a Real Man!) and uber-“patriotic” and so on.

        And if it’s all just a prank, LOLLOLLOL then remember that when it comes to digital surveillance of comments like this the claim that it was just a joke to get a rise out of someone isn’t going to carry much weight.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 10:52 am

        You take many comments much too literally. I didn’t mean to trigger anything. Think of it as a metaphor.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 10:57 am

        No, I take words to mean what words mean.

        But if you want your repeated references to using guns to address problems to be considered a metaphor for…???? I’m inclined to think it might be a metaphor for realizing a need for some testosterone therapy.

        Hey, I get it. I’m just as outraged and frustrated as you are. It’s just that I understand the dangers of going online and babbling about getting out my guns so I would never do that.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 11:02 am

        Am I not conforming to what is acceptable conduct of men? So sorry.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 11:11 am

        Look I didn’t mean to push anyone’s buttons this morning lol but I will say this … anyone who has lived in America the last 3 years and isn’t prepared to fight with every option on the table, is just not serious about the freedom the founders had envisioned for this country. Because currently we are already a long ways away from that vision.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 11:47 am

        That doesn’t even make sense, but it does kind of reek of man-bun level of indignation

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 10:58 am

        Oh and I am not afraid at all of an authoritarian government monitoring my speech. That maybe where we differ. And this passive line of thinking never served a free people well at all throughout history. In fact, that line of thinking ensured their enslavement. And while I enjoy life and don’t want to hurry anything, I look forward to death. I have more connection with the people who came before me and are gone, than those who are still here. I kind of want to be with them. So it’s not a macho thing at all, it’s a resolute thing.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 12:03 pm

        Well, good for you. You just keep posting keywords programmed into government spy programs and comfort yourself with the fantasy that this would never amount to more than mere “monitoring” your speech. And you just keep preening in your smugness that you, at least, are not “passive”.

        Right now a majority of Millennials favor imprisonment for “misinformation”. We live in an increasingly Orwellian nation where Thought Crimes and Thought Police are no longer just seen in fiction. You yourself post comments about the government imposing new lockdowns and other restrictions on liberty. Make up your mind. We either live in an increasingly authoritarian society where the government can not only spy on everything we post online but on our phone calls and even conversations, a society where Constitutional rights like freedom of speech and assembly are constantly being criminalized to excuse punishment, or we just live in a relatively benign place where sometimes there is just some “monitoring”. You just keep pretending that awareness of the dangers of this new authoritarian society is just ensuring “enslavement” and you’re so much braver than that. Whatever.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 1:15 pm

        Oh they’re monitoring. Make no mistake about that. The only reason, and I mean the only reason, America hasn’t been invaded or completely fallen to tyranny, is because the majority of us are armed. And we need to remind them of that fact every day of every year.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 10:28 am

      Oh, I fully expect the Dems to pull something to affect the next election. They might try for another pandemic, though after the debacle of the last one they might have to impose martial law to make it work.

      They will try something. We knew last time that they would, but we were woefully unprepared when they did. As usual, we played defense, and worse than that we played delayed defense. Right now I think all we can do is beat the crap out of our state legislatures, force them if at all possible to enact some voting measures to head off as much cheating as possible.

  5. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 9:07 am

    I will also say this … regardless if he is eligible to be POTUS, Vivek Ramaswamy understands the Constitution and the American experiment more so than any current American. He gets it, he articulates it, and he lives it.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 10:17 am

      more so than any current American? Seriously? He is one of millions who understand the Constitution. As for understanding the American experiment, of course he gets it. It has let his parents come here and benefit from it, while maintaining their allegiance to India. What a deal!

      Ramaswamy doesn’t “understand” the Constitution, or the American experiment, better than millions of us. He just has a platform and he is a good speaker who can articulate ideas better than most. I’m happy to see someone who can do that. We need more people who can do that. I wish we had dozens of Ramaswamys out there explaining things to people as well as he does.

      I just think it’s funny that glibness is now considered a qualification for such admiration.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 10:35 am

        It’s not glibness at all … it’s an outsider perspective reminding all of us of where we came from and what we stand for, or should be standing for. He has more clarity on this issue than most.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 10:50 am

        I admit, he has shown more ability to coordinate his thoughts into coherent statements.

        I LIKE Vivek. I think he’s smart and capable and a voice we need to hear. I like his ability to be concise and to communicate clearly. I like that he is articulate. I think he has a lot to offer this country.

        I also think that in another century he would be selling snake oil.

  6. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 9:12 am

    From the YCMTSU file

    Chicago Alderman ‘backs plea for Windy City’s criminals to only shoot guns between hours of 9pm to 9am to minimize risk of innocent people being shot’

    Why stop there? How about if they require criminals to donate 10% of their stolen goods to the Democrat Party? Kind of a Tithing. I think it makes sense.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 10:38 am

      Well this is simply because many of our career politicians owe their allegiance to China, not America.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 10:47 am

        That could be, but I think it might be giving them more credit for being able to think things through than they really have. Democrats are lockstep Leftists, whose only real allegiance is to the party, even though many if not most of them don’t even understand the true purpose or ideology of the party. A lot of the Republicans are just intellectually lazy, just going along without thinking things through.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 11:15 am

        Their allegiance is to the party I agree. And that party’s leadership is financially in bed with China.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 11:21 am

        More to the point, the Dems are ideologically in bed with China. Yes, there is money involved, but it really comes down to Leftist ideology.

  7. Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 10:53 am

    A NATIONAL DISGRACE: Photos Leaked of Horrific January 6 Prisoner Abuse – Tortured 5 Months in Isolation in a Closet Room with Light on and a Bucket for a Toilet — Where are the ACLU, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch?

    Where is the accountability? Someone—many “someones”—have been violating this man’s Constitutional rights. That is a federal offense. Where are the names of these people? Where is the legal action against them?

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 11:00 am

      One day you might find yourself in need a strong man with a gun. Just saying.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook August 19, 2023 / 11:06 am

        You misunderestimate Amazona. I’ve gone target shooting with her.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 11:12 am

        Lol then ask her to aim at the right targets please

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 11:44 am

        Hey, I keep asking you to name your targets and you just get all coy and silly. I just named a target in my last post, which is a lot more than you have been able to do.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 1:05 pm

        Klaus Schwab. Bill Gates. George Soros. Those would be the first three. Satisfied?

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 1:45 pm

        Klaus Schwab. Bill Gates. George Soros. Those would be the first three. Satisfied?

        So these are the “targets” you have in mind? Oh, yeah, I’m satisfied that you live in a fantasy world. Just how would you accomplish this?

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 2:45 pm

        My gawd you are literal lol. Yes those are the three men who are fueling our unrest. My targets? Hardly but they need to be some of the first to go if we are to turn things around.

        Maybe have just a smidge of humor and understand the sentiment, rather than reading it word by word.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 3:19 pm

        So sorry, but my crystal ball is on the fritz so I have to go by what people say, not by what I think they might mean. Words express ideas and feelings. Imagining what MIGHT be meant by words that say something else doesn’t seem very productive to me.

        If you think you are being facetious and trying to come across as funny, I’d reevaluate that belief. And because I am a linear thinker and expect at least a modicum of reality, I ask the questions that irritate you so much. As, for example, when you say “they (Gates, Soros and Schwab) need to be some of the first to go if we are to turn things around I don’t understand how you think that might be made to happen. Yes, I know they are toxic both as people and as global influencers, and I agree the world would be a better place without them, but I don’t understand how to make that happen. Seriously. I have no idea how this could be accomplished. A backyard barbeque at Bill’s place with Soros and Schwab on the deck drinking beer and dropping a Hellfire on them?

        Because I don’t believe in Magical Thinking or in the Tinkerbell philosophy of “just believe” I look at these musings and think of them as wishful “if onlys” and can’t take them seriously.

        And they only fuel our unrest because we lack the internal strength to resist them. You used the word “metaphor” so here’s one for you. A healthy pine tree has a circulatory system of sap, and when injured, such as in an attack by a pine borer beetle, it rushes sap to the area and literally pushes the beetle out. But when the tree is stressed, due to drought or overcrowding or whatever, this ability is compromised, so it lacks the circulatory strength to use its own sap to defend itself. And over time the borer beetle kills it.

        My metaphor is that if we can regain our internal strength the parasites like Soros and Gates and Schwab can try to penetrate our defenses but can’t really gain much traction.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 11:14 am

        The last 3 years have changed my calculus 180 degrees. I never thought this level of authoritarian incompetence was possible in this country.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 11:43 am

        I’m easily as amazed as you are at how quickly the American public bent the knee to tyranny, and meekly submitted to the dictatorship of the Biden regime.

        But I try to understand it, and I lay most of the blame not on spinelessness (though it plays a part) or on ideology (because even the hard-core leftists in this country have no clear political ideology) but on ignorance. The United States today is a large living example of the truth of GIGO.

        So instead of a lot of impotent huffin’ and puffin’ about the tip of the iceberg, the top of the pyramid, I think we need to drill down to what makes it possible. And I think that comes down to the source of what people in this country are told.

        The Left is a hydra—it has many heads, and cutting off one or two or several will not kill it. But what it depends on more than anything is the control of information. We are still a nation of people who believe that we have the right to self government, and the problem is that so many of us are making our decisions about who will govern based on the total crap fed to them by our media.

        This is the direction I was hoping you would go if you took my question seriously—“and then what”?—-instead of just getting all defensive and silly.

        So think about it. Say you have a big weapon that can only be used once—where would it accomplish the most good, in terms of changing the course of the nation? Taking out the administration? Kennedy got assassinated and the government and nation rolled on. Taking out Congress? Then we would be a ship without a rudder, and replacing Congress would require more tyranny as it would have to be appointed rather than elected, at least at first. Taking out the judiciary? All of it, or some, and at what level?

        And the problem is, if the population continues to make its decisions based on the same old same old, it will just replace what was destroyed with more just like it.

        And so on. When I start to peel the onion of what is wrong with this country, I always come back to the same thing. If that magical mystical weapon were to be aimed out what are called our Mainstream Media, that would be the most effective change that could be made. Even if it was just the three networks, destroying their hold on information would be the catalyst for change we need.

        An armed media coup? I’d be OK with that. At least it makes sense. It would be a lot easier to take over the networks than the government, though in the long run it would amount to the same thing.

        I think of it as a pyramid. At the pointy top is the president and his administration. The next level down is the judiciary. The next level down is Congress. But that big wide base at the bottom, supporting it all, is the control of information. That is what makes it all possible.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 1:12 pm

        Well those are all good but the tyranny we face today is more global than domestic IMO. If we do t cut the head off; Soros and Schwab then they will continue to financially compromise and bring unrest to the country. Many of our politicians owe financial allegiance to Soros. All the illegal immigrants in this country get here with fresh clothes, cell phones, and are well fed. Strange right? That’s Soros who is funding that. And he is doing the same thing to Europe.

        I wouldn’t go after the rubes here, I would go after the global villains and cut the head off.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 1:43 pm

        I would go after the global villains and cut the head off.

        Go for it

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 1:21 pm

        I will note that we have all been talking about “combatting the Left” since 2004. How do you think we’re doing?

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 11:20 am

        I not only have a large gun safe, I need a large gun safe. I not only believe in a lethal defense, I advocate it. I am probably tougher and meaner than you can imagine, but I’m also rational.

        I just believe in the wisdom of Spook’s query: And then what? I think any effort should qualify as a “plan” by thinking through the entire sequence and understanding (and accepting) the outcome.

        And I just have very little (as in no) patience for mouthing off supposedly tough talk when it makes no sense and clearly can’t be backed up.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 11:51 am

        And that would be YOU? There is a bigger chance that someone like you would need ME with a gun to cover your sorry ass.

        I live with real men. I am surrounded by real men. I know and love real men. And not one of them needs to posture as a “Real Man” by blathering on about getting his gun out.

        Yes, I’d appreciate having a strong man with a gun to help me out. I just can’t imagine it would be someone like you.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 19, 2023 / 1:16 pm

        No worries. I wont be there. Lol. Wow

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 2:05 pm

        No kidding. So please stop this silliness.

        I notice that you ignore my comments on the real danger to the Republic, which is the control of information. But then, there must not be much imagined glory in just shutting down media when you can fantasize about somehow “taking down” Bill Gates. Go big or go home, right?

        Of course there is that pyramid of power. So you somehow, magically, get your gun cleaned and manage to “take out” Soros, Schwab and Gates. That is the tip of the pyramid. Then you have to deal with the administration of the United States government—not just the presidency but the cabinet and the agency heads, etc. Let’s say you lop them all off, somehow, again magically. That leaves you with Congress. Mow ’em down.

        So how are you going to deal with the tens of millions of voters who put them office? Reeducation camps or just more guns?

        I make points you find inconvenient, so you just ignore them. One is that, like it or not, our government was chosen by the people. This choice was made out of ignorance, based on beliefs based on incomplete and often false information, but it was a choice. I contend that if the information doesn’t change, the choices won’t change, meaning that they will just elect the same types over and over again. I contend that the secret to stopping this chain of repeated errors is to change what information they can use to base their decisions.

        I know, I know, this is all in the realm of ideas, not Jason Bourne heroics. Dull boring stuff. Grown-up stuff.

        You have your fantasy of finally getting to get your gun out and feel like a Real Man. Mine is that even if we still have Gates, Soros and Schwab, even if we still have the Dems in Congress, with actual truth being told to the American public there will be enough power in the people to overcome them all. Truth and the inherent desire of most Americans to be fair and honest will cut the legs out from under the Left.

        People don’t become Democrats because they want to be stupid or evil. They choose the party because it makes them feel like good people. Because it offers a shortcut to the Higher Moral Ground. Because they have let themselves be brainwashed into thinking that refusing to “judge” is a sign of moral and intellectual superiority, so they accept everything. Some will always be Democrats and support the same insanity and the same tyranny. But many will reject being lied to, once they learn that is what has been happening. When that happens the Left will still be here, will still be striving for power, but will have far less control than it does now. That won’t change by chopping off the head of the snake. That will only change by starving it.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook August 20, 2023 / 8:59 am

        Speaking of Soros, Schwab, and Gates……….

    • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook August 19, 2023 / 11:04 am

      Sorry, the photos and the article made my BS meter nearly vibrate out of my body. Any American who would do that to another American would most certainly not allow photos to be taken and leaked.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 11:10 am

        I wondered about that, too. But I presented it as topic for discussion, as we do know J6 prisoners have been held in solitary confinement and denied medical care, and I thought it worth looking at.

  8. Amazona's avatar Amazona August 19, 2023 / 2:28 pm

    We as a nation can reject globalism. We did so to a certain degree under Trump. Even as big a mess as we are now, we are still the Big Dog on the porch, and we can make our own rules. We just need to make better ones.

    Let’s say, just for instance, that we have a Trump in the White House. Not necessarily Donald, but someone with those visions and those strengths, someone Trumpy, who has cleaned up the Executive Branch and rehabilitated the FBI and returned the DOJ to its real job. And let’s say that we have winnowed out a few of the RINOs in Congress and taken a majority, even a small one, in both houses. In other words, recreated 2016-2018 but better, having learned some lessons along the way.

    In a scenario like this, the globalists will still be fighting for power, but they wouldn’t really have much leverage over the U.S. We could still shift more of our manufacturing back here or at least out of China, and all of our pharmaceuticals and medical supplies as well, giving us medical security. We could still rebuild our military. We could still dismantle the Bureaucratic State and we could still strengthen our state governments. We could still reinforce our borders, deport a few million who came here illegally, and establish national security there. It would take six months or so to get our oil and gas industry up and running—not back to full strength, but on its way.

    We wouldn’t need to cower in front of globalists, but could flip them off.

    If, in this scenario, we could also get at least one network utilizing actual journalism, to provide a means of communicating facts to the public, we would be incredibly strong. And of all these things, throttling Leftist control of information would probably be the hardest. But the most important.

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan August 20, 2023 / 2:45 am

      It was the Carter Administration people who started talking about “limits to growth” and such. In those pre-Global Warming days the official word was that we had to roll back because we were running out of things. Just about the time the shortage predictions of the 70’s proved false, along came Global Warming…now we’ve got plenty, but if we don’t stop using it, we’re all going to DIE!!!!

      But it is all the same – limiting the USA. We call them Globalists now (and rightly so) but they’re really the same people who have run America since WWII. Their basic fear is the people and power of the United States. It is still not quite understood what the USA actually did during WWII…mostly because these people hid it. Not only did we raise 12 million soldiers (and hadn’t remotely peaked in available military manpower by 1945), but while raising and equipping this force on a lavish scale we also essentially provided the supplies which kept Britain and the USSR in the war. The nukes just added to America’s overwhelming power…and the Powers That Be in the USA (and the larger world) were terrified of the American people really figuring out how strong they were…how we seriously could have just ordered the world to do whatever we wanted and there was absolutely nobody who could even look crossways at us.

      And their project did work – we do not have that power any more. We are greatly weakened and the world has gotten a lot stronger as our power has drained out to foreign powers. But, also, what is in the USA in 2023 is what was in the USA in 1945 – that latent power. The ability to make and do. If we were to cast off the shackles then in just ten years our power vis a vis the world would once again be unassailable. And that, I think, is what terrified them about Trump – as it had, to a lesser extent, terrified them about Reagan. Trump proposed to Make America Great Again…in other words, to revive our power. To rebuild our industry, rebuild our military…and when Trump started looking into Ukraine, they went into full panic mode. We didn’t realize just how large a nexus of global corruption Ukraine is and has been for some time.

      So, yes; get back in. Clear out as much of the rot as we can…and then just rebuild.

      Tricky part: getting back in.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook August 20, 2023 / 9:09 am

        Tricky only to the extent that it took the Left 100 years to get where we are, and anyone who thinks we can reverse it all in a couple of years is delusional. There either has to be some sort of black swan event (not discounting that, BTW), we have to take a long time to undo the damage, or we have a bloody revolution. I don’t seen any other alternative. Like Cluster, I’m frustrated that we’ve allowed people ostensibly on OUR side to enable and often to facilitate what the Left has done, but like Amazona, I don’t see violence initiated by the Right working out. The problem has been, and still is, while the Leftist termites were busy eating away at all that is good about Western Civilization, the right has been busy putting food on the table, mowing the lawn and raising kids.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 20, 2023 / 11:46 am

        I don’t think we can correct it in a couple of years, but I think we can do a lot of damage to it and even change its course.

        It’s easy to look at the huge canopy of Leftist power in this country and think we can never overcome anything that huge, that powerful. We tend, I think, to be distracted by the sheer size and scope of Leftist power, but I think we need to stop looking at the trees and start looking at the roots, so to speak. Any problem solving effort has to start with breaking down the problem into more manageable bits.

        (This is not a lecture of absolutes. This is just the musing of an old retired rancher lady.)

        I see the Left as being supported by a couple of easily identified elements. The biggest is the voting public, and that support depends almost entirely (in my opinion) on the Left’s control of information. GIGO. While that is really powerful, it is also vulnerable, because any big shift in information distribution would seriously undermine it. That could happen (not that I think it will, but it is theoretically possible if heads were to be removed from nether regions long enough to actually DO anything) by developing laser-like focus on communications and messaging and directing most if not all of GOP and conservative resources to acquiring and using an effective communication system. That would probably mean acquiring an alphabet network, as the Left has done too good a job of demonizing Fox to make it very effective even if its focus were to change. Not saying it is likely to happen, but the fact that the support of the voting public could so easily be shifted by a change in distribution of information is a vulnerability of the Left.

        One leg of the Left’s support is the educational system, and that can be taken over by determined parents and citizens. It is starting to happen, but could be accelerated. Getting rid of bad teachers is hard and a long-term project, but controlling school boards and therefore curricula is within reach, and clear rules on what cannot be taught and what MUST be taught are all within the authority of school boards. Do state GOP offices even get involved in school board elections? Are the coordinated, so the same messaging is consistent across the state? Would it make a difference to have that support and coordination? If we must have a Department of Education, then give it some muscle. Right now federal funding for schools is used to bludgeon them into certain social engineering agendas. Betsy DeVoss tried to make changes, but was under constant attack and seemed to have no support from the administration. The Left tried to use the department to force its own national standards, through Common Core, so there is precedent for using the agency to impose educational standards. It would just take an administration focused on this and willing to support a shift to requiring no social engineering classes and classes in history, civics and English.

        This is a change that could take place in a year.

        Every agency can be reformed in a year. The Forest Service, for example, now run by Leftists, could be reduced in size and taken back to its original charter. Harriet Hageman schooled me on the fact that this agency is controlled by the Department of Agriculture, not Interior, because its charter was based on creating an ongoing source of lumber for the nation—as well as protecting our watersheds and providing sources of recreation. Get it back to supervising logging and we would have more lumber for consumers and healthier forests. The very idea of roadless areas in the national forests is a contradiction to the charter that created it.

        Relentless pruning of the upper levels of the FBI and DOJ can be done in a month or less. Remember, when Obama took office he demanded a letter of resignation from every US Attorney, and then reinstated the ones he wanted to keep. So fire the worst in each agency (followed quickly by criminal charges for some) and demand letters of resignation from everyone else in however many levels deemed necessary.

        If we see ourselves as sappers, undermining the very foundations of Leftist control instead of flailing away at the upper and more visible branches, I think a huge amount could be accomplished in a short time.

        It would need a president-elect with massive organizational skills who could basically command an army of bureaucrats, each with a department of authority, to be able to march into DC on January 21 with a pile of Executive Orders to sign rescinding prior orders and have each agency assigned its new supervisor or agency head and new mission statements and reorganization charts. In every agency it could be “my way or the highway”—-sign on or sign off, no middle ground.

        We want to elect a president, but we would also be electing a commander in chief, and I think a newly elected president, if we choose the right one, could and should act as the general in a war effort. If it were DeSantis (and I hope it would be) he could have a year to clear the ground and seven more to clean up the detritus and smooth off some rough edges but also leave the American Left without its carefully crafted foundations of media control. a de facto fourth branch of government and infiltration into the highest levels of intelligence, law enforcement and the judiciary.

        We can never kill the Left. It is the herpes of governance. But we could knock it down and hamper its regrowth, and at the same time put down our own foundations of education and awareness to hopefully impede its resurgence.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 20, 2023 / 10:01 am

        Getting back in is indeed the tricky part and at this date, I’m not convinced the GOP is prepared to do that. I am not convinced Ronna McDaniel-Romney understands what it will take to win either, and I do anticipate another pandemic, or some such “emergency” allowing them to once again alter, harvest, and steal another election. They did it in 2020 and they will absolutely do it again. They even have more to lose this time around.

        A few posts up I mentioned that we have all been combatting the left on this blog since 2004, and then asked, how do you think we’re doing? My assessment is that we, and the conservative movement, are failing … spectacularly. If we were a company we would have to fire the entire management team and rebuild, if in fact we weren’t bankrupt. Conservatives have lost ground every year since 2000, and that decline accelerated beginning in 2020, so to be where we are in 2023, and continue to believe that we just need to convince voters that smaller government is the best system of governance is fantastical thinking IMO. We have to have a “clean your gun” mentality or we will continue to lose ground. And by that I mean we just have to have a “take no prisoner approach”, just like the Left, which has in the last 3 years, killed innocent people, burnt down inner cities including government buildings, stole an election, imprisoned their political opponents, impeached twice a duly elected President over manufactured issues and of whom they are still trying to imprison. And here we are just hoping we win the next election … like that will change anything. I’m not convinced. Hell we have direct evidence now of the current President taking bribes from foreign countries to enrich himself and his family and what does our side do?? Well Mitch McConnell doesn’t want to initiate impeachment hearings because that would be unseemly or some such drivel. We simply do not fight. Period. At least not yet. I’m not saying we have to match the violence on the Left, but we had better have all options on the table.

        IMO, The only way to win this is to unite and damn near start marching in lockstep, like the Left does. I’m tired of the rancor within the GOP, from both sides. When Trump attacks, or when others attack Trump, it just doesn’t serve our cause at all. Remember when Harry Reid flat out disparaged and lied about Mitt Romney on the Senate floor (Reid was “told by someone” that Romney hadn’t paid his taxes) … that lie effectively killed Romney’s campaign, and because of that, Obama stayed in power and continued to “fundamentally transform” the country. The Left absolutely does have a “clean your gun” mentality, and we are seriously late to this party.

        I do think this is a spiritual fight more so than a political one, and I believe there is a spiritual awakening happening that we should tap into. The other day, Anthony Oliver said something that should become the conservative mission statement:

        “I HATE the way the Internet has divided all of us,” he wrote. “The Internet is a parasite, that infects the minds of humans and has their way with them. Hours wasted, goals forgotten, loved ones sitting in houses with each other distracted all day by technology made by the hands of other poor souls in sweat shops in a foreign land. When is enough, enough? When are we going to fight for what is right again? MILLIONS have died protecting the liberties we have. Freedom of speech is such a precious gift. Never in world history has the world had the freedom it currently does. Don’t let them take it away from you.”

        This statement speaks directly to my heart. We are the party of the forgotten man, let’s not forget that and let’s fight for them.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 20, 2023 / 12:30 pm

        IMO, The only way to win this is to unite and damn near start marching in lockstep, like the Left does. I’m tired of the rancor within the GOP, from both sides. I agree, but the problem is that we have not learned to simply rationally discuss ideas and alternatives but have gotten into the habit of just responding defensively when something is said that we don’t agree with and turning what should be a discussion into an emotion-controlled bickerfest. And, again, (getting out that drum I have been beating for so long) it’s because we are so controlled by IDENTITY POLITICS that we simply can’t understand that the people we are talking about are actually incidental to the ideas and agendas we need to promote.

        When Trump attacks, or when others attack Trump, it just doesn’t serve our cause at all. Exactly. Though this is a good place to point out that a calm objective analysis of some of the problems facing a Trump candidacy are NOT “attacking Trump” and seeing them as an attack, prompting defensiveness and a counter-attack, is a big part of the problem.

        Well Mitch McConnell doesn’t want to initiate impeachment hearings because that would be unseemly or some such drivel. It is ironic that you lecture about internal divisiveness and then come up with something like this. You have no idea whatsoever motivates Mitch McConnel but because you want an impeachment and he doesn’t you just invent some cockamamie “reasons” for his stance. Which, of course, are insulting and dismissive.

        How about practicing what you preach and finding out WHY McConnell thinks what he thinks? How about stepping away from defending a position and objectively evaluating the pros and cons of his position? There happen to be good reasons for impeaching and good reasons not to impeach, and each side makes good points. Each approach MIGHT accomplish something more beneficial than an emotional need to strike back, and each has its pitfalls.

        If you are really tired of the rancor, maybe you should stop contributing to it by demeaning every opinion and position that is not exactly like yours.

        And try stepping away from the personal to the analytical. For example, why did Harry Reid succeed in turning people against Romney? (Not that I agree this was the deciding factor.) But why was this a successful tactic? Because we had no way to counter it. WE HAD NO VOICE. Because the Right has been so inept at communication, because we are so squeamish about the very word “propaganda” that we shy away from a coordinated messaging policy like vampires from a silver cross, we have ceded the battlefield to the side that understands and therefore controls messaging. So we can continue to howl about how wrongwrongwrongWRONG it is when the Left does something like this, or maybe we can work on developing a defense against such blatant lying and manipulation of public opinion.

        You say IMO, The only way to win this is to unite and damn near start marching in lockstep, like the Left does. (Which, by the way, I have been saying for years.) And to this, I quite predictably say “And then what?” Just march? To what destination? For what goal? What’s the plan once the marching and gun waving have scared the Left back into its holes, or whatever you think would signal victory?

        All of this outrage and passion is necessary, but it’s kind of like an incandescent light bulb, shining in every direction, bright and hot but without focus. What we need is a leader who can transform that diffuse and generalized light into a laser—and who actually has a coherent plan for “then what?”

        And here we are just hoping we win the next election … like that will change anything. Well, maybe YOU are “just hoping to win the next election”, just like you are just hoping millions will vote for Trump based on opposition to the way he is being treated instead of on simply analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of each candidate and campaign. But a lot of people are not counting on hope as a strategy and are working to try to make things happen.

        As for an election not changing anything—are you actually saying that having Biden in the White House has not changed anything? After praising Trump’s presidency, are you actually saying that it didn’t make any difference and didn’t change anything? Are you saying that getting him back in the White House wouldn’t change anything?

        I’m very sorry that you are going through this painful period of angst and despair. It is clear that you are not hopeful of the ability of this nation to heal itself. I’m sorry that your perceptions keep leading you inexorably to conclusion that guns are somehow going to be the answer but I do hope that at some point you manage to find some optimism and maybe even a focus on some productive problem solving.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 20, 2023 / 1:56 pm

        Lol thanks for the concern but I’ll be just fine. I I don’t think you know what a happy warrior is. It’s not all doom and gloom, it’s Faith based and optimistic but I am a realist, and no, one election won’t solve anything for the better, particularly if it was someone like Christie. I am disappointed on how we got to this place in this country, and even more disappointed when I hear conservatives tell people like me to “measure our expectations”. I have measured my expectations having held my nose to vote for Bush, McCain, and Romney in years past only to see the country continue to slide downhill. And I will note that not one person has answered my question, how do you think we’re doing? Hint: we aren’t doing well. And as for some “cockamamie” reason for his McConnell’s stance … I’m sorry you don’t consider bribery, extortion, and profiteering on behalf of the President to rise to the level of impeachment. I do, and we are either a country of equal application of the law or we are not. Politics is the only reason McConnell hesitates, and that kind of thinking is a major reason why we are where we are. It’s also a sign of disunity. Comer and Jordan have done some amazing work. McConnell? Not so much.

        Have a nice day lol

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 20, 2023 / 2:40 pm

        “I’m sorry you don’t consider bribery, extortion, and profiteering on behalf of the President to rise to the level of impeachment. ”

        See, this is why it’s impossible to have a rational discussion with you, and why your pious lectures on the evils of divisiveness are so hypocritical. I can see how someone might misunderstand a verbal statement, but when something is actually written down, so you can see it as it was written and even go back and look at it again if it confused you then to totally misstate it can’t be anything but purposeful lying.

        What did I say? There happen to be good reasons for impeaching and good reasons not to impeach, and each side makes good points. What made it through the filter? That I “don’t consider bribery, extortion, and profiteering on behalf of the President to rise to the level of impeachment. ” Where did I say that? Where did I imply that? Where did I ever say a single syllable that would justify claiming I did? Where is there a single element that indicates a lack of justification to impeach? Your thought processes are so tangled that you don’t even understand that there is a difference between thinking acts “rise to the level of impeachment” and thinking the actual act of immediate impeachment is necessarily a good idea.

        These acts all not only “rise to the level of impeachment” they rise to the level of criminal prosecution. That is not the point. At least that is not the point of considering that McConnell might have a carefully reasoned and perhaps even correct justification for not pursuing immediate impeachment. That is either a point you can’t grasp or one you simply don’t care about.

        Here is something you either don’t understand or just don’t agree with: Not everyone has the attitude that it makes sense to barge ahead to accomplish a short range goal without looking beyond that to see if the ultimate outcome will be better or worse because of it. That is, some people are smart enough to understand consequences and the need to weigh immediate gratification against long-term goals. And some people are smart enough to understand that if an act doesn’t result in something positive it might not be worth undertaking, even if it does fit the feelz.

        You complain Politics is the only reason McConnell hesitates And, finally, you are right about something. Just not the way you think you are. Politics is the consideration of timing, of the best time to enact a strategy. Politics is the grasp of unintended consequences and the effort to avoid them. Politics is the effort to deploy a weapon when it is most likely to have the intended impact.

        When you demanded an immediate impeachment and I responded with the simple and logical query of “Then what?” you got angry at me for trying to complicate things. And you had no answer, because you don’t think ahead. It would feel good to impeach Biden, so impeach Biden, and that’s as far as your thought processes go. Is there an optimum time to impeach him? WHO CARES? DO IT NOW! Anything else is weak, passive, enabling of corruption, failing to think his acts “rise to the level of impeachment” or whatever demeaning and dismissive slight you can think of.

        I know what a happy warrior is. I also know what an overheated impulsive reactor is.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 20, 2023 / 2:49 pm

        one election won’t solve anything for the better so the 2016 election didn’t solve anything for the better and the 2020 election didn’t make things worse. Everything stayed the same no matter who was in the White House.

        (This actually sounds like an argument to not vote for Trump, since he accomplished nothing important when he was president and didn’t leave the nation better off than it was when he was elected.)

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 20, 2023 / 2:07 pm

        Since you don’t think winning an election would make any difference, maybe you would prefer this:

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 20, 2023 / 2:21 pm

        Lol hey that appeals to the libertarian in me for sure. I will also clarify about McConnell, he not only is reluctant too impeach, he is reluctant to even begin the inquiry. Truth is IMO, I think McConnell is just as financially dirty as Joe is. That’s a problem

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 20, 2023 / 10:41 am

        It’s easy to see what motivates the Leftist/Globalist movement to undermine and weaken the United States. It’s all about power. It’s not that they are against power, they just want to control it. They were perfectly happy with a powerful USSR, or China. It’s the idea of a powerful nation they don’t control that bothers them, so they have worked to take it over. And because the Left has never risen to power in a strong and happy nation, to overtake the United States means to weaken it. Therefore we see the various mechanisms of creating conflict and divisiveness and chaos, all intended to undermine the inherent strength of the country.

        One of the first targets was our greatest strength, that of the Melting Pot description of America. It was always a place where people from all over the world came together to become Americans and then work within our system of equal opportunity to benefit themselves and by extension the entire country. That concept has been under fire for decades, with the greatest success being with black people who have been trained to not only hate the United States but not even identify themselves as merely American but African-American. But that wasn’t enough, so we have seen the creation of Gender Wars. Not just the 60s “feminist” movement to turn women against men, but expanded to actually invent new genders and then turn them against each other, while encouraging them to act so disgustingly that normal people turn against them. Just look at all the emotional conflict generated by this strategy in just the last few years.

        But what is hardest to understand is the anti-American bias of actual Americans. I think it is a variant of the Left’s message that they offer a shortcut to the Higher Moral Ground. The Left, which is really a type of religion of its own, has adopted and distorted the religious concept of Original Sin. By instilling the idea that this nation is deeply and maybe fatally flawed and that merely by being born here we all share guilt for these defects and must do penance and make amends for these sins, the Left has managed to make hating America seem virtuous. It’s a variant of White Guilt. There’s some snobbery, the sense of aligning with those much more sophisticated and worldly Europeans who hate America. And there is a tinge of Puritanism, too—-instead of exhibiting modesty in dress, some Americans choose to exhibit it in not being proud of their own country. It’s all virtue signaling, every bit of it, but on levels so broad and deep they are toxic and dangerous.

        All I can think of is to ignore them. If the rest of us move forward with enough vigor and energy and success, people will be drawn along in our wake. It’s what I call a siphon effect. I’ve had a 2000 gallon stock tank empty overnight because an employee left a hose lying in the tank with one end on the ground. Because the hose went up and over the edge of the tank, he thought that gravity would keep the water from going up and out the hose. He didn’t understand the power of suction as water drained from the other end and pulled water out of the tank along with it. People can also be drawn by the force of forward movement. These negative attitudes might be strong, but they are not deep, not based on any actual thought or knowledge, and because they are superficial and based on emotion they are not necessarily permanent.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 20, 2023 / 10:59 am

        when Trump started looking into Ukraine, they went into full panic mode. Yes, and they thought they could head this off with their “quid pro quo” attack and subsequent complicity of Congress in its bogus impeachment effort. But that failed. It hardened the beliefs of those already in the anti-Trump camp but it did nothing to slow him down, and actually had the effect of bring Joe’s video of bragging about shutting down the investigation into Burisma into the public eye. No one had paid attention to that before, and although the Agenda Media worked hard to bury it, it was still out there and still lives among us as other Biden/Ukraine corruption surfaces.

        I think what truly panicked the Left was Trump’s sudden attack on the Bureaucratic State. No one had ever done this before, and it terrified them, because this is the foundation of the Left’s actual control of the government. They spent decades building a massive de facto fourth branch of government, run by political appointees, with vast powers never actually GIVEN to them but merely assumed with no objection until they were part of the structure. My first awareness of this was when Bill Clinton, in a late-Friday appointment, decreed by Executive Order that the EPA had the authority to declare, on its own, what is and is not a “pollutant”—and then the power to do whatever it chose to address the problem it had just identified. This slipped under a lot of the radar, but it made the EPA a muscular and well-armed bully, legislating without the participation or even oversight of Congress as it invented regulation after regulation, all of which had the power of law, and all of which stifled economic growth.

        Trump saw this, saw the same kind of thing in all of the bloated federal agencies which were all acting as de facto legislatures, run by political appointees and basically running the country. When he started to dismantle this carefully built power structure is when the Left truly went into panic mode, and I think that is when they realized that Trump had to be stopped, by any means possible.

        Trump didn’t just rescind Executive Orders and agency regulations (which had the Left howling that he was acting like a “dictator” though not one of these had ever been properly legislated and were, themselves, the products of a dictatorial mindset) he also went after the agencies themselves. He slashed budgets, meaning reducing the number of employees. And then he truly started to play Jenga with the agencies, as he pulled out the Bureau of Land Management from the Beltway hive and moved it to Colorado, then the Department of Agriculture to move it to Missouri. The Left saw its nexus of power being dismantled and scattered, and this called for drastic action.

  9. Cluster's avatar Cluster August 20, 2023 / 10:52 am

    Check out this headline …

    Fox News plans to use video clips of Donald Trump while grilling his 2024 GOP rivals about ex-president’s indictment if he snubs first debate for Tucker Carlson chat

    The only reason to do this is too further divide the GOP. Plain and simple. Fox is now agenda corporate media, and we all know what that agenda is, yet we continue to play into it. Like it or not, Trump dominates the polls, it’s not even close. And if, after Iowa and these debates, no other candidate gets within single digits, every candidate should drop out and fully endorse Trump. That’s the unity needed to win. If DeSantis were ahead in the polls, I would be saying the same thing about DeSantis.

    And for the life of me I do not understand why the GOP allows someone like Chris Christie to run for the GOP nomination. He is a loser and promotes the Left’s agenda more so than the conservative agenda.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona August 20, 2023 / 12:31 pm

      And for the life of me I do not understand why the GOP allows someone like Chris Christie to run for the GOP nomination. Because we have rules, and he meets the stated criteria. Anyone can “run” for the presidency, up to a point.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster August 20, 2023 / 3:31 pm

        Well IMO, just like men should not be allowed to compete with women in athletics, losers and dividers like Christie should not be allowed to use the GOP platform for his candidacy. If he wants to go independent then fine. As it is, he just pollutes the GOP and harms our cause.

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