Open Thread

Someone wrote some years ago that how a person views Israel is shorthand for whether or not they’re decent. I don’t think this is 100% but the past few days have shows the overall truth of the statement. The huge divide right now is over Israel.

To be sure, most of the Left is firmly in Hamas’ camp though there have been a few big voices on the Left raised in support of Israel. It is on the Right where we’re finding some surprises with many big Right voices – including many self-identified as MAGA and/or Trumpster – basically swallowing Hamas’ propaganda; some to the point where they’ve gone to overt anti-Semitism. It is strange, but also explicable.

The first thing to consider is that the conspiracy theory side of things remains mostly ridiculous – but with bizarre and disgusting things such as the failure to release the Epstein client list and the continual revelations of well-placed people being exposed as pedophiles, the Conspiracists have found much grist for their mill. There isn’t a cabal of Globalist pedophiles running the world…but there are a lot of pedophiles who are Globalists and the Globalists do often protect them. But it isn’t a very long step to seeing all this nauseating stuff and falling for the Conspiracy Theories which have grown up around them…from there is just a skip over to the anti-Semitic side of the aisle where it is asserted – as it has been since the Protocols were fabricated – that The Jews are behind all that stuff. I think some of our people have fallen for this. And having fallen – and being by nature Isolationists, into the bargain – they were primed to condemn Israel and now fall for Hamas.

It is sad and we will have to battle against it – but I think we should go easy on ostracism for the moment. As my Dad pointed out to me decades ago, you’re going to hate a lot of your best allies in the fight for freedom. I’ll say that in the pressure of the moment, a lot of people got suckered and I think we can induce them to come back to the side of the angels on it. Keeping in mind that I am Isolationist, Protectionist and America First…but I recognize evil when I see it and Hamas is downright evil.

A few things to keep in mind about this:

  1. The battle is not thousands of years old. It it 94 years old. It started in 1929 when the Muslim population of then-British Mandate decided, entirely unprovoked, to have a pogrom. Why? Because the Muslim Ruling Class felt threatened in its position and the Muslim population greedily eyed the rising Jewish prosperity. In short, they wanted to steal. It was only after 1929 that the Jews in the Holy Land started to arm themselves and then only in self defense. Every subsequent event in the Jewish-Muslim war started right then…it has just been a progression. But always keep in mind that the Muslims started it…and not for any good reason; just over greed for power and money.
  2. The Muslim population of the West Bank and Gaza have been rigorously educated from pre-school to hate Jews and glory in killing them. There are about 4.5 million Muslims in the area. Half are under twenty. That means that half of them – more than two million – are just eagerly waiting for their chance to kill a Jew. Its all been one gigantic Hitler Youth camp. They are now a poisoned tree and it will take a long while to purge the poison. In other words, no sane person can make a deal with them right now.
  3. Iran probably fostered this attack to scuttle the growing rapprochement between Israel and the Arab States. Iran has a deep fear of being isolated in hatred of Israel and the purpose of Hamas, for Iran, is to have an absolutely lunatic pawn to be used when Iran feels necessary.
  4. Iran and Hamas probably calculated that Israel would hold back. They still might be calculating that. In fact, Israel might still hold back – and the world is already starting to pressure Israel to hold back. Hamas wins if the Israel attack ends and Hamas is still around. They don’t care how many people die. Israel should not hold back.
  5. Hamas has no moral grounds to continue fighting. Not just on the fact that their chosen method of warfare is murder and rape, but on grounds of simple military reality: they can’t beat the Israelis. Nobody fought harder than the Warsaw Poles against the Germans in 1944 but even they, when faced with the stark fact that continued resistance just meant death with no different outcome, they honorably surrendered. Hamas has a moral obligation to surrender to spare lives. If they do not, then all lives lost are Hamas’ responsibility. This is entirely outside any other considerations – continuing to fight a hopeless battle, unless your enemy proposes to massacre all of you, is immoral. The whole world should be pressuring Hamas to surrender, not for Israel to hold back.

55 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 15, 2023 / 9:29 am

    Saleh Al-Fahid, a Saudi journalist , wrote:

    If Israel doesn’t capitalize on international solidarity and support at this time to completely eliminate Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and to free Gaza from their control, it will miss an opportunity that may never come again. Any end to the current conflict that doesn’t achieve this outcome means we are destined to face another one sooner or later, depending on the needs and interests of their Iranian puppeteers. The Palestinian people do not deserve to have their cause manipulated by organizations and factions that have become mere tools and proxies for the Iranians.

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan October 15, 2023 / 1:35 pm

      I’m actually coming to the conclusion that the “Palestinian” population has to go – off to Jordan, Egypt or somewhere else. Their minds have been poisoned for too long about dreams of Holocaust II and a glorious conquest of Tel Aviv. Most people don’t realize how tiny Israel is – a threat isn’t distant; it is a mile or two away. Imagine living a mile or two away from people who have already once sent death/rape squads into your community. People who are trained from infancy to think of you as non-human – whom God wants you to kill. I just couldn’t do it. I couldn’t look at my granddaughter and feel myself in any way a man if I allowed something like that to exist.

      To be certain, it isn’t all the Palestinians fault. There is blame enough to go around – and the Israelis played their role in constructing this situation, mostly in their refusal to end it sooner (though in fairness to Israel, the whole world worked against an end to the conflict). But however the situation arose, here it is: and it is unsustainable for Israel to coexist with people who dream of killing them.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 16, 2023 / 8:37 am

        I think it was Golda Meir who said “you can’t negotiate peace with someone who wants to kill you”

        Palestine is a political construct so there are no “palestinians”, there are simply radical Muslims hell bent on exterminating Jews. That’s all they are. And if the Arab world were comprised of more decent people, they would welcome those refugees into Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt or some other Arab country where those refugees would be more welcome and feel at home. But that’s not their goal now is it?

      • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan October 16, 2023 / 11:55 pm

        It looks like it is all over – Pudding Brain is going to Israel on Wednesday…zero chance that Israel will make any serious offensive effort into Gaza.

        Soon we’ll pay a mint to get the hostages back, provide a huge amount of money to rebuild Gaza and, of course, allow 100,000 Gazan refugees in (unvetted, of course).

        They’re not even mentioning the rape/death squads any more…its just all a terrible tragedy. In a month mentioning the rape/death squads will be homophobia. I hope I’m wrong…but I just can’t see this coming out any other way.

  2. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 15, 2023 / 9:46 am

    DeSantis is showing everyone how it’s done. Not only is he chartering flights to rescue Floridians and other Americans from Israel, but he is also not bending the knee to political correctness.

    Ron DeSantis told a rally in Iowa on Saturday that Palestinian refugees were not welcome, claiming they were ‘all anti-Semitic’ … ‘I don’t know what Biden is going to do, but we cannot accept people from Gaza into this country as refugees,’ DeSantis told a gathering in Creston, Iowa on Saturday.

    ‘I am not going to do that. If you look at how they behave, not all of them are Hamas, but they are all anti-Semitic. None of them believe in Israel’s right to exist.

    ‘None of the Arab states are willing to take any of them. The Arab state should be taking them.

    ‘You don’t fly people and import them into the United States of America.’

    There are only two candidates I will vote for … Trump or DeSantis. Simply from a youth perspective, I prefer DeSantis but both men know what needs to be done, and both are capable of getting it done.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12631477/ron-desantis-gaza-refugees-not-welcome-united-states.html

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 15, 2023 / 10:41 am

      both men know what needs to be done, and both are capable of getting it done….but only one is doing it.

      Trump’s got a plane, or planes. Trump’s got friends and donors with planes. Trump’s got a platform that would allow him to get donations to pay for planes. Trump’s got the money to charter some planes.

      So what is Trump DOING?

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 15, 2023 / 11:50 am

        I think he’s busy fighting off an authoritarian government who delights in persecuting him.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 15, 2023 / 2:09 pm

        I think an executive with his experience could delegate something like this in five minutes. If he felt like it.

  3. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 15, 2023 / 10:36 am

    That dawn drifting into consciousness is a good time for thoughts to develop, and this morning I was thinking about how it has come to be that so many corporations are supporting the Left, as well as so many people.

    For years I have been harping on my perception that the vast majority of support for the Left is not based on understanding, much less allegiance to, actual Leftist ideology. I have also commented on my perception that the biggest allure of the Left is its promise that it is a shortcut to the Higher Moral Ground. That does not contradict a third perception of mine which is that the Left recognizes, recruits and then validates personality disorders to create a disruptive cadre of nihilistic angry vitriolic voices that exist solely to exhibit their personal addictions to rage, hate and general negativity.

    But back to my Observation #2: This is a powerful attractant to people who are not in Category #3. The 3s do not seek a sense of morality and goodness, they seek outlets for their opposite defining characteristics. But I believe that the majority of people who are responsible for the atrocities of the Left have not sat down and gone through the thought processes of (1) learning, understanding and accepting the political structure of the Left, agreed that consolidation of power in the hands of a few is the best way to govern our nation, and supported the shift from government BY the people to government OF the people, and then (2) studied and learned of the human atrocities that are directly attributable to Leftist governance.

    Rather, I think that the acceptance of the Left by so many is a version of the gradual warming of the pot so the frog isn’t really aware of what is happening. I was a teenager in the 60s and I remember the appeal of the Left. It was never that we needed a nation in which the president had so much power that he could, with the stroke of a pen, issue edicts controlling the lives and livelihoods of the people. It was never that we needed to have a country where the power of the State was to be used to harass, intimidate and crush political opposition. It was an era in which we still read, understood and were frightened by the messages of books like Animal Farm and Brave New World, where the concept of constant surveillance by the government was a terrifying prospect, where the term Big Brother was used to describe Soviet-style oppression, where free speech was an important goal. Very few, if any, of my generation embraced the Left of the 60s because they wanted the kinds of things we take for granted in our country today.

    But as that generation became parents, and took that loose sense of “freedom” into adulthood, still not examining it or questioning it, it became embedded in its consciousness as Good. And they incorporated that loosey-goosey vague sense of “fairness” into their parenting, so their offspring were even more unmoored from traditional values. Gradually anything associated with the Left was also, by attachment and definition, also Good. And as the heat under the pot got turned up, as more liberties were infringed upon and more State power was accumulated, the accompanying message was that what was not Good—-that is, the political opposition—was Bad. Naturally, fighting the Bad made you more Good. And so the progression went.

    The invented chasm between the Good and the Bad was carefully expanded, and in the meantime more and more characteristics of proof of being Good were introduced, things like Tolerance and Inclusiveness. And I think most people who bought into all this were not aware of the fact that these concepts were really just examples of the really hot water they had not noticed heating up, but were just natural progressions of their indoctrination into the Good/Bad paradigm.

    And now we have whole schools, we have huge corporations, acting out what their members have come to believe is proof of being Good, without the slightest analysis of whether or not what they advocate is really Good or not. But deep down this is all based on a desire to be, and be thought of, as Good.

    Then along comes this last week, and Hamas’s attacks, and suddenly a lot of people whose marinating in the hot water of Leftist “Good” has led them to accept the claim that Israel is Bad, which created the assumption that then, of course, believing in suppressing the Badness of Israel is Good. are faced with the ugly reality that what they thought was Good is, in fact, indefensively Bad. So very very brutally savagely Bad.

    Prior skirmishes have been small enough to be wallpapered over by Leftist apologists and rhetoric, allowing the delusions of people who truly do, in their hearts, want to be Good to believe that this demands harsh judgement of Israel. But this latest attack is too big, too indefensible, too vicious, too well documented, for the self-defined “Good” of the Left to maintain the pretense of Goodness without rejecting Hamas and its actions. That’s creating a lot of internal conflict, like social and emotional tectonic plates shifting.

    One example: Many members of the Harvard organizations listed as supporting Hamas didn’t necessarily agree, but let it slide–until the groups and their members were identified and ridiculed and people talked about this position making them pariahs and affecting their future employment prospects. Suddenly they started to come out of the woodwork and claim they did not sign this letter, didn’t authorize its signature, etc. That might be true. It might even be true that they didn’t agree with the letter, might even have been appalled by it. But they went along with it. They had marinated in the hot water of Good By Association for so long and were so convinced that overall their general political positions were proof of being Good that they didn’t speak up until forced to take an official position.

    I think the Hamas attacks, and the resulting choices of For and Against, might be the defining force demanding that people take a side, and accept that to be Good means soundly rejecting the Bad.

    I’m hoping it will be more definitive than the tap dancing of this kind of decision that occurred near the end of WW Two, when supporters of fascism, Nazis and even of Hitler were faced with the reality of the Final Solution and the reality that what they had seen as Good was in fact very very bad. They were suddenly in the position of having supported and indirectly enabled vast and unimaginable horrors visited upon innocent people, in huge numbers. Unfortunately, the condemnation of Nazis and Hitler resulted in the redefinition of both as, suddenly, “right-wing” so allegiance to the Left would not mean condoning the atrocities that had been revealed, but at least the revelation forced some kind of choice-making. It was possible to say OK, the Good of National Socialism and Fascism has turned out to be Bad, but only because it is Right-wing, not because the core tenets of consolidation of power and “equality” are defective. They peeled the labels of “Fascism” and “Nazi” off their Leftist allegiance, pasted them on the Right, and continued their support for their unexamined Leftism.

    I’m waiting to see how the inevitable choice between the Good of Israel’s right to exist and defend itself and the Bad of the savagery and barbarism of Hamas and its followers will be parsed to allow for continued support for the fantasy that there is in fact a Palestinian homeland and there is in fact a “Palestinian people” and they have, in fact, been brutally oppressed just because they are Palestinian. Because a lot of people who have been convinced that support for “Palestine” has been proof of how Good they are are now having to deal with the reality that their side butchered and burned alive tiny children and babies, and nowhere in any lexicon of Good can that be tolerated.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 15, 2023 / 10:39 am

      As Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad speaking on Al-Hekma TV said in March 2012: “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians…”

      There is a reason, why the “Palestinian National Museum” is empty of historical artifacts.
      ……………………..
      Nevertheless, the Arab propaganda machine gets away with publishing fantastic falsehoods, such as this one on the Palestinian Authority’s tourism website: “With a history that envelops more than one million years, Palestine has played an important role in human civilization. The crucible of prehistoric cultures, it is where settled society, the alphabet, religion, and literature developed, and would become a meeting place for diverse cultures and ideas that shaped the world we know today”.

      The international community not only approves of these falsehoods, it happily pays for them.

      Historian Abd Al-Ghani’s declaration (“Before the Balfour Promise, when the Ottoman rule [1517-1917] ended, Palestine’s political borders as we know them today did not exist, and there was nothing called a Palestinian people with a political identity as we know today”, historian Abd Al-Ghani admitted on official PA TV …….This statement amounts to saying that the whole narrative of an ‘indigenous Palestinian people’ was made up at a later point in time.) on PA TV was a historic, highly newsworthy admission that ought to have made the headlines everywhere, considering the importance the issue is given by political leaders, diplomats, the media and other establishment figures all over the world.

      After all, if the Arabs themselves admit that the ‘Palestinian people’ is an invented entity, should not the consequence be that the countless UN projects, billions of dollars in international aid, and the endless campaigns against Israel cease and be used for more noble purposes?

      The answer is yes, but no one is paying attention.

      We live in a post-factual world. Facts no longer have any currency, unlike feelings and ideological posturing. The truth has been reduced to a troublesome inconvenience and if it happens to stare you in the face, nothing could be easier than closing your eyes or simply looking away.

      • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan October 15, 2023 / 1:39 pm

        The only Palestinians I know, personally, are a Catholic family which had to flee the West Bank to get away from the Palestinian Authority and its various cruelties to the Christian minority. But, here’s the thing; the family originated in Yemen. Moved to “Palestine” under the British Mandate because of the freedom and opportunity under British rule.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 15, 2023 / 2:21 pm

        It sounds like you might be thinking that if people like your friends were able to live where they used to live but without the political identity of “Palestinian” and without the Palestinian Authority as a looming threat to them, as Yemenis living in Gaza, it would be possible to have a population living in Gaza that would not be a threat to Israel.

        If the problem is the PLO, made possible to some extent by the claim of a nation or territory or ethnicity of “Palestine” then maybe Israel should retain control of the territory as part of Israel but only allow people to live there who do not identify as Palestinians. Put them under the jurisdiction of the Israeli government, don’t let them elect their own government, and require official renouncing of the PLO and the Palestinian identity and the dogma of same. No PLO, no Hamas, no Hezbollah, just Gazans as a territory of Israel, as Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States.

        (Similarly, I think we should only allow immigrants into the United States if they swear that they want to and intend to become Americans. Not Mexican-Americans, not Somali-Americans, not even African-Americans. Different nationalities can celebrate their own ethnicities, they can speak their own languages, but when it comes to dealing with American agencies they do so using the single OFFICIAL American language—English.)

      • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan October 16, 2023 / 3:15 am

        Yep. But I guess we’re not allowed to do that these days – demand patriotism.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 15, 2023 / 11:29 am

      Then came, with the end of World War II, knowledge of the horrors that the Nazis had unleashed upon the world. Certainly, American progressives did not want to be associated with that. So, there was a whitewash of history.

      The connections of American progressives with the KKK, forced sterilization, experimentation on prisoners, advocacy of labor colonies, internment of Americans of Japanese descent, and admiration of fascism had to disappear from history. Even more, fascism and racism were redefined as right-wing, instead of left-wing.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 15, 2023 / 11:34 am

        In 1948, U.N. Resolution 181 granted statehood to two states: a Jewish one called Israel and an Arab one called Palestine. This is the first time there is a nation or people with the name of Palestine, even though they were in fact all Jordanians. Immediately, five Arab nations attacked Israel, which continued to be attacked repeatedly for the next 15 years but successfully defended her nationhood.

        And now comes the seed that leads to the current support from the left of “Palestine.” In the early 1960s, the Arab coalition was not only physically losing wars, but was considered bullies of Israel in worldwide media. They were the Goliath that kept losing to David. So they hired the public relations firm of Dudley-Anderson-Yutzy in New York (founded in 1909, no longer in business) to change their image in the world. George Anderson told them they needed a “victim,” a group that would be perceived as smaller and even more abused than the Israelis, and the Palestinian cause was born.

        At Anderson’s advice, the Palestinian Liberation Organization was established on May 28, 1964. This is the start date of the “Palestinian cause”: 1964. After the 1967 war, when Israel kept Gaza, the Sinai, the Golan Heights, and the West Bank, the concept of the Palestinians as victims became more popular. While ultimately Egypt made a land-for-peace deal with Israel and has kept that peace, the other nations refused to do the same. “Palestine” has always, and continues today, to define itself as “from the River” (Jordan) to the Sea (Mediterranean) and refuses to accept the State of Israel as a neighbor. The Arab schoolbooks in Gaza, the West Bank, and many Arab nations do not even include Israel in their maps as taught to children in 2023.

        As for Gaza? In 2005, the Israelis, in their eternal quest for peace, gave self-governance to the people of Gaza. In 2007, the people of Gaza elected Hamas as their leadership by over 90%, and they have reelected and kept Hamas in power for these 16 years. Please do not cry for a distinction between the citizens of Gaza and Hamas, for Hamas was and has been elected by the people of Gaza for almost two decades.
        ……………………….
        Before we can start a process of peace, some realities need to be acknowledged: there is no historical Palestine, the people of Gaza have chosen Hamas as their leadership, and Israel has the right to exist and defend herself. From the full acceptance of those facts, a dialogue could possibly be started — but not until they are all fully accepted

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook October 15, 2023 / 4:42 pm

        In 2007, the people of Gaza elected Hamas as their leadership by over 90%, and they have reelected and kept Hamas in power for these 16 years.

        In all fairness there actually hasn’t been another election held in Gaza since 2007.

      • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan October 16, 2023 / 3:18 am

        Bad news I’ve heard is that the US has convinced Israel not to launch pre-emptive attacks against Hezbollah in Lebanon…I guess Israel was all set to go but now we’ve promised to hit Hezbollah if they attack Israel. Bad move; it is once again fighting a war while allowing some part of the enemy a sanctuary.

        Not saying if I commanded the IDF that I would hit Hezbollah; my main concern would be Gaza because it is so close to major Israeli population centers, but I’d want the option of hitting them hard…probably as an inducement to get Hamas to quit once I had hit them hard on the ground. Hamas is expecting Israel to pull back and also expecting Hezbollah to launch attacks. If, however, the IDF seriously degrades Hezbollah’s offensive capability it might help convince the rats in Gaza that the game is truly up and its time to quit.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 16, 2023 / 8:41 am

        I’m not sure why Israel is listening to America. We haven’t won any wars since 1945. Israel would be better off ignoring our suggestions.

  4. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 15, 2023 / 3:05 pm

    Did you know this?

    In 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower signed the Communist Control Act of 1954. The law explicitly outlaws the Communist Party of the United States. It also criminalizes membership in the party or support of the party in any way. The act also further criminalized anyone who supported communist organizations or actions in any way.

    The law was intended to be incredibly broad to make it a bit easier to prosecute people who were supporting such organizations. Because anti-communism sentiment faded at the end of the Cold War, this law is not discussed nearly as often as it once was, but it is still on the books today.

  5. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook October 15, 2023 / 4:02 pm

    Gotta love Poland.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 16, 2023 / 8:42 am

      Poland has their shit together. They have defunded Ukraine too.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 16, 2023 / 11:09 am

        Well let’s just say, Poland currently has their shit together, but if people like you win, they will end up like America and all the death and chaos that brings. So I understand your excitement. If only people like you knew how to actually improve things in life it might be different, but you’re completely incapable of any such thing.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 10:48 am

        Still compelled to chase every string dragged in front of you? Still feeding the trolls by giving him clicks? I’m sure he appreciates it.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook October 16, 2023 / 12:42 pm

        Sounds like mixed results The Law & Justice Party, described by Wikipedia as “a right-wing populist and national-conservative political party in Poland. Its chairman is Jarosław Kaczyński. Often considered to be a Christian nationalist party,” still has the most seats but not enough to dominate. Looks like democracy at work to me.

  6. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 16, 2023 / 8:59 am

    At the core of every war is the failure of man. The failure to appreciate what has been given, the failure to nurture and grow what has been given, and the failure to appreciate others and their struggles through life. War is hedonistic, selfish, and satanic.

    No one has ever asked the people of the Donbas region who they would like to be governed by, because America, Putin, and Zelenskyy just don’t give a shit. There’s money and power to be had. And certainly not enough people have stood up to defend Israel’s right to exist, and that fact is really hard to believe. Of the entire land mass in the middle east, Israel occupies about 10%, but that’s too much for the selfish, hedonistic Arab world.

    People who appreciate what has been given, people who nurture and grow what they have, and people who respect others, never start wars. All others need to be vanquished.

  7. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 16, 2023 / 9:03 am

    Truth
    Really
    Upsets
    Most
    People

    Saw this one posted the other day

  8. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 16, 2023 / 1:55 pm

    You should be on Facebook. That’s more your speed. There you can personally attack anyone and be called courageous for it …

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 16, 2023 / 7:12 pm

      You millennials are so wrapped up in feelings, emotions, and personalities that it borders on the creepy. We were raised differently in a time that required strong characters, work ethics, and personal responsibility and we were proud of those traits and simply worried about who we were and what we were doing. This selfie generation, as I call it, is the most ignorant, narcissistic, delusional, and emotion driven generation ever and it’s entirely destructive .. if you hadn’t noticed, I mean just take a look around you. How many millennials would you say are truly happy? I would venture that number is less than 10% and it’s due to the weaponization programs you’ve been subject to the last couple of decades from teacher unions, corporate media, and the progressive internet mob.

      Don’t worry about what people say. Worry about what they do. Just some good boomer advice.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 10:48 am

        Still compelled to chase every string dragged in front of you? Still feeding the trolls by giving him clicks? I’m sure he appreciates it.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 16, 2023 / 9:23 pm

      See this is where your emotions come into play because Trump embodies almost everything I spoke of. He is a repentant man who raised an incredible family, built an amazing business and has survived 7 years of every investigation possible. In fact I would wager to say that Trump might be the legally cleanest man in America. Additionally America was in the best economical shape in my lifetime when he was President, there were no new wars and our border was nearly secure. You and your generation are the ones who have no credibility

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 10:47 am

        Still compelled to chase every string dragged in front of you? Still feeding the trolls by giving him clicks? I’m sure he appreciates it.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 17, 2023 / 9:21 am

      Well thanks for admitting you can’t factually refute anything I said. Just more emotions from you.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 10:46 am

        Still compelled to chase every string dragged in front of you? Still feeding the trolls by giving him clicks? I’m sure he appreciates it.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 17, 2023 / 10:28 am

      Do you remember Newt Gingrich and the Contract for America that Bill Clinton signed onto and declared “the era of big government is over”?? Which effectively turned welfare into workfare?? That’s why the economy was good under Clinton.

      Another swing and a miss GenX’er

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 10:46 am

        Still compelled to chase every string dragged in front of you? Still feeding the trolls by giving him clicks? I’m sure he appreciates it.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 10:48 am

      Still compelled to chase every string dragged in front of you? Still feeding the trolls by giving him clicks? I’m sure he appreciates it.

  9. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 17, 2023 / 9:20 am

    We are witnessing a separation of decency and civility. People are really showing their true colors now and we all need to pay very close attention because there are enemies amongst us …

    Alicia Keys was accused of making a ‘sick ode to Hamas terror attacks on Israel’ by an anti-Semitism advocacy group after asking fans if she should take up paragliding on Instagram.

    There is a small plumbing company in my town ran by a Muslim gentleman from Fiji. Super nice guy and I have employed him numerous times over the years. Yesterday I saw his father post a very vile and anti semitic depiction on social media yesterday so sadly, I will never use him again, will not refer him, and will actively steer others away from his services when the opportunity arises. In fact, I might go a step further and publicly call him out on that.

    This battle feels Biblical

  10. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 17, 2023 / 9:37 am

    Palestine is the new Che Guevara to the cause celeb crowd and the delusion surrounding it is laughable. Guevara was a violent murderous communist, but that didn’t stop young liberals from proudly wearing his image on their shirts as they comically strutted around in their Doc Marten’s acting all revolutionary and everything. Well fast forward and now we have young liberals supporting 12th century violent neanderthals in the name of occupation and oppression.

    The mental gymnastics these people have to do in the name of their cause is mind numbing.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 18, 2023 / 3:00 pm

      Che was an assassin, killing for money. He hired on with Fidel and they hit it off so he became associated with the “revolution” that destroyed Cuba.

      A Che T-shirt or poster is an instant identifier of abject stupidity

  11. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 17, 2023 / 10:45 am

    Well another swing and a miss. The economy was better under Trump. Mortgage rates under Clinton ranged from 5 to 7%. Under Trump? 2 to 3%.

    Kind of funny though you’re admitting the economy under Biden SUCKS

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 10:47 am

      Still compelled to chase every string dragged in front of you? Still feeding the trolls by giving him clicks? I’m sure he appreciates it.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 17, 2023 / 11:19 am

        I’m a confrontational guy and will confront anyone, anywhere, any time. It’s what I live for …

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 11:29 am

        That’s an odd characteristic to brag about. It does make it easy for people like forty to control you, though.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 17, 2023 / 11:37 am

        Well that’s one opinion … and you know what they say about opinions

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 1:01 pm

        I do know, which is exactly the word that came to mind.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 17, 2023 / 11:39 am

        And you’ve been reading my comments for a long time now and you didn’t notice my confrontational nature??? Learn me hahahaha

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 12:46 pm

        “confrontational nature” is such a ……..POLITE…..way to describe it, so much nicer than “addiction to bickering” or other even less flattering descriptions.

        Oh, I would say you are well “learned”, leading to my comments. I think we were better off here back in the day when you created your little safe space where you and forty could play your little bump and tickle games with each other in a more private setting and he didn’t have to keep coming here to entice you.

  12. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 10:55 am

  13. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 12:20 pm

    First Florida takes over government responsibility for American citizens abroad by arranging to fly them home and not demanding that they first agree to pay the government for getting them home.

    Now another Southern state is stepping up, as Governor Huckabee Sanders takes action against the Chinese Communist Party after the state passed a law outlawing ownership of certain properties by certain foreign entities. emphasis mine

    For far too long, in the name of tolerance, we’ve let dangerous governments infiltrate our country,” Governor Sanders told Townhall of her administration’s action. “Arkansas will tolerate them no longer.”

    “Today, Arkansas is becoming the first state in the country to force a Chinese state-owned company to sell their farmland,” Sanders noted. “This isn’t about where you’re from, it’s about where your loyalties lie. We simply can’t trust those who pledge allegiance to a hostile foreign power.”

  14. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 12:30 pm

    There’s that $6 billion in cash to Iran, and then there’s this:

    Israel would most likely not be in the situation it is in had Joe Biden not allowed Iran to make $80 billion off oil sales for the past two years. Hamas says it has been planning this for two years. It has had sufficient Iranian funds over that time, thanks to Joe Biden.

    The Biden Administration does have blood on its hands for its arrogant and naive foreign policy over the past two years. They’ve allowed Iranian oil sales because, very arrogantly, they chose to deprive the United States of energy self-sufficiency and, in the words of the White House spokesman, needed to balance supply and demand. Those Iranian oil sales funded drone development for the Russians and subsidized Hamas and Hezbollah. Conservatives predicted this would happen and were right.

    A related story is about the depletion of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve

    Back in July, the SPR held 346,758,000 barrels of oil in its underground tanks located in Texas and Louisiana that have the capacity to hold 714,000,000 barrels, according to the Department of Energy. That is, America’s emergency backup supply of oil was drained to being more than half empty by Biden in response to an “emergency” that his energy agenda had created
    ……………………………..
    “…having a full reserve would have given the White House a freer hand to enforce sanctions blocking Iran’s oil exports, said Bob Ryan, analyst at BCA Research.

    The relatively low levels in the SPR “leaves the U.S. in a position of relying on Saudi Arabia and others with spare capacity to ramp supply in the event of a cutoff” of Iranian oil, Ryan said in an email.

    The administration has insisted it’s continuing to enforce the economic sanctions that former President Donald Trump imposed on Iran in 2018. But analysts monitoring oil shipments say Iranian exports have risen sharply on Biden’s watch.

  15. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 12:57 pm

    What is more disgusting—-a Cornell professor posting that he found the Hamas butchery, child-burning, woman-raping, baby-beheading and corpse-defiling all “exhilarating” or the West Point grad proudly opening the front of his uniform to show his Che Guevara T shirt underneath? His smug smirk should be immediately wiped off his face. At least he understands that he has to make at least a small effort to hide his Communist sympathies while getting a government-paid education and military rank of Second Lieutenant but it’s hard to believe none of his superiors knew of this in the whole four years he was sucking on the government teat at the Academy.

    His education can’t be revoked but his rank should be, and he should not be allowed to remain in the Army.

  16. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 1:09 pm

    Way to bury the lede, guy!

    When Turning Point USA Frontlines reporter Kalen D’Almeida caught up with Arizona State University professor David Boyles last week to ask him some questions about sponsoring Phoenix’s Drag Queen Story Hour and his “creative writing” series that’s really a book about a 17-year-old boy being groomed by a much-older woman at the behest of his high school counselor, Boyles wasn’t too happy about it. In fact, Boyles assaulted D’Almeida’s cameraman, leading D’Almeida to defend the cameraman. Boyles got the worst of it, though; since he was wearing a skirt and heels, when D’Almeida pushed him away from the cameraman, he fell to the ground and scratched his face.

    SINCE HE WAS WEARING A SKIRT AND HEELS really should have had a more prominent place in the story. The story also says Boyles “hit” the cameraman. Really “hit”, or just slapped him?

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 17, 2023 / 1:33 pm

      I love this story. It’s about time these freaks feel uncomfortable when in public. They are FREAKS, and they should never be normalized

  17. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 17, 2023 / 2:33 pm

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