Outside of the mindless realm of the Democrat Party, everyone is condemning the Colorado Supreme Court ruling against Trump – and even a few Democrats are against it. This is because it is just plain and simple stupid. Here is the relevant part of the 14th Amendment:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
What the Democrats are saying is that it is a proven fact that January 6th was an insurrection and it was instigated by Donald Trump. This is just a stupid assertion to make. The purpose of the January 6th participants wasn’t to overthrow the government but to ensure the government followed the law. You can call them mistaken. You can call them the most stupid people the world has ever seen – but it doesn’t change the fact of why they were there. The Confederates of 1861 wanted to leave the nation – the participants of January 6th wanted their nation to obey the law. They are not in the same universe of action. There was no insurrection against lawful authority on January 6th.
It is purely evil what the Democrats are doing. They are all appetite for power, wealth and sex and they will do anything to ensure they get their desire. In making this ruling, the Colorado Supreme Court has struck a body blow against the rule of law in this nation. After all, if this is so, then the Florida Supreme Court can remove Biden from the ballot on grounds that he is not ensuring that the laws are faithfully enforced. This is a far more true assertion than those made about January 6th and as far as due process – Biden hasn’t been convicted of anything – it works out the same: Trump was not given any due process. The Colorado court issued a ruling based on federal law over events that occurred outside of Colorado’s jurisdiction. Point blank: it isn’t for any State or local government to decide if the 14th Amendment applies to any person seeking federal office. It is a federal matter and so reserved for the federal courts.
Now on to another but related thing: over the past few days I have seen some DeSantis supporters firmly state that they will not vote Trump if he’s the nominee. Previously, it had mostly been Trumpsters saying they wouldn’t vote DeSantis. That point is now moot as it looks like Trump will be the nominee – the Colorado ruling is going to cement Trumpster support for their guy. Either position – Never Trump or Only Trump – is stupid. Evil. Asinine. A betrayal of all things decent. We don’t have much time left. The Democrats are ignoring the law on a regular basis. They are pushing ahead with the most radical elements of their program (ie, massive invasion at the border and medical mutilation of kids) in spite of overwhelming majorities being against them on it. They are confident that power is theirs and cannot be taken away. They might be right – but that doesn’t excuse us from our duty. We have a moral responsibility as citizens of the Republic to do what we can to preserve, protect and defend the Republic. In this instance – in 2024 – the strongest effort we can make in service of this moral duty is to vote Republican.
Not because they’re any good – but because they are not objectively evil and engaged in the deliberate and malicious destruction of the Republic. Any power we can take away from Democrats and hand to Republicans is power which can be used to defend the Republic. Any power retained or obtained by Democrats will be used to destroy the Republic – and this is regardless of what the law says. Democrats don’t care what the law says. If they have the power to do a thing, they’ll do it, law be damned. If they can give the order, make the ruling or modify the regulation, they’ll do it and blithely sit back and laugh at anyone who says that is against the law. We probably only have one or two shots left to save a Constitutional Republic. Once they’re gone then our only hope will be in dictatorship by a Franco or Pinochet. This is preferable only as an alternative to Leftist totalitarian tyranny; ie, if our lives are forfeit otherwise. I don’t want us to go down that path. I want us to remain free – and we only do that in the Republic; and we only keep the Republic if the enemies of it are removed from power.
It is, bottom line, a moral obligation to vote Republican in 2024. Any vote for a different party works out to participation in evil.
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I had forgotten that in Trump’s second impeachment trial, the House Democrats used section 3 of the 14th amendment as the basis for impeachment. This post was written at that time and is a pretty comprehensive analysis of just exactly what is “an officer of the United States. The author makes a convincing case that Trump was not.
If your best argument is that the president isn’t an officer of the United States, you have already lost.
If you maintain, in spite of pretty overwhelming historical evidence, that Trump was, in accordance with the wording of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, an “officer of the United States, then you’re a pathetic excuse for a teacher. But we already knew that.
Considering that my opinion reflects that of a number of Constitutional scholars, I think I will stick with it.
Well then they are monstrously stupid scholars. Do any of you on the Left f***king read things?
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
That is section 5 of the 14th. Congress. Not the Colorado Supreme Court. And Congress did enforce it by appropriate legislation in 1870 and modified it in 1948…it is for a US Attorney to bring a case in federal court; not for random Progressive morons to bring a case in State court for other Progressive morons to make a ruling.
You have to convict Trump in federal court of insurrection before you can enforce the 14th against him – and only the federal courts can enforce such a thing.
Just curious—did any of these “Constitutional scholars” agree with you that if one believes we must follow the Constitution as it is written that means we want to reinstate slavery and not allow women to vote? Because back in the day, when you were “teaching”, this is the kind of crap you used to teach. And when I asked if parents knew what you were telling their children you freaked out and accused me of trying to get you fired—-a tacit admission that you knew your Leftist indoctrination efforts would not be accepted by parents if they knew about them.
We could, if we felt like, name numerous self-defined “Constitutional scholars” who blatantly defy the actual writings of the Constitution. Your beloved Barack Obama (BTW, do you still wear your Obama necktie?) claimed to have been a Constitutional scholar and professor, and he famously claimed that the Constitution is only a list of negatives.
But yes, you “stick with it” because you are stuck, firmly and forever, in the morass of Leftist cant and lies and furthermore you love it there. These are your people. In the meantime, the parents in Casper celebrated your leaving.
I have a feeling Lawrence Tribe is one of those esteemed “Constitutional scholars” who impress you so much.
Tribe wrote “The Invisible Constitution” his effort to explain to ordinary Americans that when it comes to this cherished founding document, what we see is much less than what we get. This book is a kick in the shin to “textualism” and “originalism,” in that Tribe begins from the principle that the written, or “visible,” Constitution so revered by conservative jurists is, in fact, only a small part of what Americans think of as the Constitution.
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Tribe’s argument is not so much an argument for a living Constitution that morphs and adapts to meet the needs of a changing society. He’s more interested in the shadow Constitution—what he calls the “dark matter” that represents the “ocean of ideas, propositions, recovered memories, and imagined experiences” of which the visible Constitution is only a small part.
uh-huh. Evidently in that “shadow Constitution”—-the hidden, invisible, part only a true intellectual “Constitutional scholar” can see—– is the idea that due process is relative and optional and, too often, just annoying.
Sorry, but I’m not impressed by anyone who thinks our nation should be guided by “recovered memories and imagined experiences” but this is the stuff of Leftist “Constitutional scholarship”.
As for “what Americans think of the Constitution”, sadly most of this is the twaddle and nonsense and often outright lies fed to them by their “teachers” who are often as dumb as casper.
Ha – that’s rich.
Wow, rude. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean you need to deride them as stupid or a pathetic excuse for a teacher. Smart legal minds have concluded that Trump should be disqualified per the 14th amendment, including Judge Michael Luttig, who no one would consider dumb when it comes to legal issues.
Waaahhhhh waaahhhh waaahhhhh. Do you need a tissue? Casper was, as shown in old posts he made about what he taught his poor students, a pathetic excuse for a teacher. As for “stupid”, well, that speaks for itself.
Did any of your “smart legal minds” bother to address the problem of imposing a penalty for a crime that has never been formally accused, never adjudicated after the accused was allowed to defend himself, and never found guilty? Oh, that’s right—-the Left doesn’t like to bother with those petty details when it thinks it has a chance to silence a political opponent. Due process plays the same role for the Left as freedom of speech.
First we had Operation Crossfire, the abuse of power seen as the State used federal agencies to commit perjury and illegally spy on a political opponent while at the same time paying for scurrilous claims they then published in efforts to influence voters.
Then we had federal agencies within the DOJ prosecute Trump supporters, trying to intimidate others to silence them and make them afraid to stand by him.
After that, and after the Left claimed the election was fraudulent, we had #RESIST, an actual insurrection effort as federal employees, officers and even members of Congress colluded to try to undermine the authority of the new president and, yes, assume his powers when some orders were either ignored or countermanded.
None of that worked, and he was amazingly successful as he worked to weaken the extra-Constitutional powers of the Bureaucratic State. (And “extra” Constitutional means outside or contrary to the Constitution, for you teachers and Lefties.) This is what made it imperative for the Left to get rid of him, because he was truly an existential threat to its carefully built up power, passing “rules” and “regulations” without the participation or even oversight of Congress, which then had the effect of actual legislated law. The threat of losing the ability to make laws without going through Congress was too big a loss for the Left to tolerate without dramatic pushback.
So then “lawfare” was brought into play, alongside the other abuses of federal power. While the government was silencing coverage of negative information about the Left’s candidate, it was actively pursuing prosecution of Trump on a variety of imagined crimes. The problem with that was that the more the State pushed its jackboot into his neck, the more the public rallied to support him.
That’s when the State needed to fall back on its only remaining weapon—-simply keeping Trump off the ballot. Which brings us to the current topic, and our discussion of the nefarious ways the State is still trying to rid itself of this man.
Hey Dunny, do you happen to know a guy who uses the screen name Fortyacresbeyond, or is it just a coincidence that your VPN uses the same servers?
hey retired spook, I use ExpressVPN, which is a well known product, and my guess is that other people do too. But how do you know I use a VPN?
Yes Mark I do read things and to be honest, I hope Trump stays on the ballot. That said, When you start a deadly insurrection, you can’t run for president. You don’t have to be convicted of insurrection. This is in the 14th amendment. Just like you can’t run for president if you’re not born in America. It’s a rule in the constitution.
Oh, casper, you still haven’t had time to read the Constitution, have you?
You say: When you start a deadly insurrection, you can’t run for president
Well, we did not have a “deadly insurrection” and even if we did, whoever started it could run for the presidency. If formally charged with insurrection and found guilty he could not serve as president. Do try to keep up.
And BTW, Trump has not only never been formally charged with insurrection, he never will be, because to do so would require using the legal definition of the term, not just the current Leftist narrative. He can’t even be cited for inciting a riot, because his own well-publicized words show that he never did any such thing. The whole insurrection/incitement balderdash is an invention of the fever swamp and dumped in the trough for the braindead base to slurp up and regurgitate.
The following is a case law defining Insurrection:
Insurrection means “a violent uprising by a group or movement acting for the specific purpose of overthrowing the constituted government and seizing its powers. An insurrection occurs where a movement acts to overthrow the constituted government and to take possession of its inherent powers.” This did not happen on January 6. The only time a movement has tried to take possession of the inherent laws of the government was when the #RESIST movement
Got interrupted and didn’t get to finish my explanation of casper’s idiocy.
He says: When you start a deadly insurrection, you can’t run for president. You don’t have to be convicted of insurrection. This is in the 14th amendment.
Well, no it is not. The 14th Amendment does not say any such thing. Nowhere does it dismiss the other Constitutional right to due process.
Just like you can’t run for president if you’re not born in America. It’s a rule in the constitution.
And, once again, you are wrong. There is case law, including I believe a Supreme Court ruling, that anyone born anywhere to American citizens is an American citizen. Actually, a natural born citizen, as the definition of a natural born citizen is someone born to citizen parents or at least one citizen parent. On the other hand, even if you go by the misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment that simply ignores the part about jurisdiction and believe that citizenship is conveyed by place of birth, this would be a native born citizen, not a natural born citizen.
I got called away before I could address all the errors in casper’s post. (So many errors, so little time…)
He claims When you start a deadly insurrection, you can’t run for president. You don’t have to be convicted of insurrection. This is in the 14th amendment.
Well, not really. Nothing in the 14th Amendment dismisses the Constitutional right to due process. Nothing in the 14th Amendment says all that is required is for someone to think an act is insurrection, without adjudication.
Just like you can’t run for president if you’re not born in America. It’s a rule in the constitution.
Well, no, that is not a “rule in the Constitution”. The rule is that to be eligible for the presidency one has to be a natural born citizen, and that has always meant born to citizen parents, or at least one citizen parent. There is case law and I believe even a Supreme Court ruling that someone born to a citizen parent is a citizen no matter where the birth took place, and by the definition of “natural born citizen” that would also mean eligible for the presidency. The birth does not have to take place in America.
There is a lot of confusion about another part of the 14th Amendment, which reads All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. This was written to accommodate freed slaves, who were not under the jurisdiction of any other nation. Some people now want to apply it to anyone physically present in the United States, but this is not accurate. If a man is from India, for example, and living in the United States, he is still a citizen of India until he relinquishes that citizenship and becomes a citizen, and under the jurisdiction, of another country. If he has been living in the United States and then takes a trip to Mexico and has a legal issue there, he goes for help to the embassy of the nation which has jurisdiction over him—that is, he does not go the American embassy but to that of India. That means he also conveys his citizenship to that of his children, no matter where they are born. But he cannot convey American citizenship because he is not under the jurisdiction of the United States. (which is not the same thing as being governed by the laws of the United States) But even if you accept the idea that American citizenship can be granted based not on the citizenship of the parents but on where they are when their child is born, that would still be a native born citizen, not a natural born citizen.
Perhaps a little reading not just of the Constitution but of the writings of the Founders would clear this up
Just because you and other people say he started an insurrection doesn’t mean he did. Nor is it established by a highly partisan House committee staffed uniformly by people who hate Trump.
18 US Code 2383:
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
You must get a conviction in court on the charge of rebellion or insurrection in order to bar a person from federal office. That is the requirement. 14th Amendment bars rebels from office, 18 US Code 2383 is the mechanism whereby the 14th Amendment is enforced. YOU CAN’T GET AROUND THAT. Not even if Tribe says on Maddow that it is so.
And getting a conviction here is going to be hard – not least of which if because if any US Attorney – even in the deepest Blue area – indicts Trump on it then Trump’s defense is going to be able to engage in discovery about the whole chain of events from election day 2020 forward. Not one person in the Ruling Class wants that…because that would show that after all is said and done, what the J6 people wanted was the law to be followed…and that federal agents started the violence.
But be that as it may, you can only bar Trump or anyone else after conviction. Not before. And the conviction must be in federal court, not State.
But the Left knows it doesn’t need to legally prove there was an insurrection—it has its braindead mob of gullibles and haters who will just believe and parrot everything it is told, without any foundation of fact or truth. The Left truly is the best illustration of the idea that truth would just get in the way of a good story.
First, to get a conviction of insurrection the prosecution would have to start with a legal definition of the word. And insurrection is not just a riot, or people acting badly. It’s not even having that happen in the heart of our government. An insurrection depends on the effort to overthrow the existing government and assume its powers. Nothing even close to that happened on January 6. Trump’s role was to rally people to petition Congress to temporarily delay certification of the votes for ten days and mount an investigation into election fraud. That was not only manifestly fair and reasonable, the right to petition the government for redress of wrongs is enshrined in the First Amendment. There is literally nothing to indicate that his role was anything else.
(And even the worst of the bad actors on that day never tried to or even talked about “overthrowing the government”, much less taking on its powers. Not even the infiltrators and agitators did that, much less those there to support Trump or object to the election fraud.) Of the tens of thousands of people present to try to do that very thing, a very few acted badly and got caught up in the mob mentality, and of those people most were either enraged by the unprovoked attacks on them by the police or egged on by government agitators who needed to create a scene that could be used for propaganda. Not one of those people has been quoted as wanting, even in his heart of hearts, to overthrow the government, much less take over its powers. There was no organized effort to overthrow the government.
Second, as you say, a trial would involve discovery, and the last thing the Left wants is disclosure of the facts. That would destroy its narrative. The narrative is all they’ve got. Fortunately for them, there are a few million Useful Idiots who either truly believe the pap they are fed, without either the ability or inclination to think for themselves, or who just don’t care and only want to emote and indulge in mindless hate based on Identity Politics. Some fall into both categories.
Because each of your posts has a different IP address, and several of your IP addresses are nearly identical to several of Forty’s.
I know it irks you Lefties, but words matter, and definitions matter. If the Constitution shows that it treats the office of the presidency differently than other government offices, you don’t get to whine about it.
Well, as you are casper, I guess you WILL whine about it, or more likely do that triple-chin-duck and smirk you were so famous for back in Wyoming.
And how would you know my ip address?
As far as rudeness, casper was not rude.
Oh, give it a rest, dunny. Who said casper was rude? You’re the Karen rushing in here scolding and wagging your figurative finger at us because you don’t think we were respectful enough of casper. Well, he’s been hanging around this blog for probably twenty years or so, from back when he was poisoning the minds of children in a Casper Wyoming middle school and making an utter fool of himself, and no one here has ever seen a single thing about him that would call for respect. He’s a whiny braindead Leftist who, because he has a degree and had the title of “teacher” thought he was smart, while he babbled utter nonsense.
And now he’s got a whiny Lefty defending him. Well, don’t bother. He was impervious to the scorn he generated in Casper and he has always been impervious to the scorn he generates here.
And how would you know my ip address?
I have a relative who is a white hat hacker for a private defense contractor. He did me a favor.
BTW, it’s not “your” IP address; it one of the thousands or more of the IP addresses that Express VPN owns.
White hat hackers? Wouldn’t it have been easier to just go to the Comments section of the WordPress Dashboard, where the IP address of every comment on this website is log?
So now you are carping about how a piece of information about you was obtained? Get a life.
Interesting times. The Supreme Court now has a couple of cases before it that are going to make a major impact on what happens to Trump. Will it overturn the Colorado Supreme Court’s decision? Will the court determine that a president is immune from all laws during his term (opening up the possibility of a Biden dictatorship). Personally I’m okay with Colorado being overturned, not so much with the other one.
And your point is ????? That you can regurgitate what is already known? That you think your opinion matters?
I understand that you are desperate to appear relevant, and even thoughtful. But you’re missing the mark and accomplishing neither with these vapid mutterings. At least you’re not offering up what you seem to think are ideas, like your wackadoo claim that the 14th Amendment overrules due process, or your strange claim about what you say is a “rule in the Constitution” regarding citizenship eligibility. As long as you act as a mere conduit of the likes of Maddow and Scarborough you can never appear as anything but a compliant little puppet and have no value in a real conversation.
There is a video going around today of Cenk Uygur being totally destroyed on the Gaza issue where the other guy points out, with quite brutal precision, that Cenk doesn’t know what he’s talking about…and, indeed, has clearly never bothered to look up basic facts. It was a beautiful thing to see because it illustrates the basic Leftist mindset which is built on mindless acceptance of the propaganda line of the day.
Is Trump immune? That isn’t the f***ing issue – you on the Left haven’t actually charged him with a real crime. This is because there is no crime; the Left is just making this up as they go along. You might at some point even get Trump into a jail cell, but only until the appellate courts toss out the conviction because there’s nothing to convict him of.
It’s the Left that has tried to make the issue of whether or not Trump is immune from prosecution a big deal, but that is because it plays into their narrative of him being an “authoritarian”. Chait drags in this characterization in the quotation I just cited in the prior post—he invents “violent threats to secure power” and then points out that this is “authoritarian”. It’s all part of their whole “Trump as Dictator” theme.
As you, and I, and now some Leftists, have pointed out, Trump has not been charged with fomenting a rebellion or insurrection. And he won’t be, and he can’t be, for two very simple reasons. One is that there is no evidence that he encouraged or even hinted at such a thing, and the other is that whatever did happen it fell far short of any legal or even reasonable definition of insurrection.
The “attack”, such as it was, was solely on the action of Congress on a specific issue. There was no general “attack” on Congress as our legislative body, certainly no effort to dismantle Congress and take over its powers and duties.
The blatant displays of ignorance by the howling Left would be funny if they were not so indicative of the pathetic level of education in this country. Let’s play their silly little game and pretend that the goal of Trump and the whole mob was to “take over” Congress. OK. So there is lacking any description of how this was supposed to have been a plan, but whatever….. So Congress is “overtaken” or “overthrown’ or whatever. Would this mean an overthrow of the whole government? Congress represents one third of our government. There was no attack on the Executive Branch, none on the Judicial Branch. And what would be the outcome of somehow “overthrowing” or “taking over” Congress? No legislation taking place?
To overthrow the government of the United States and assume its powers would require taking over all three branches of government plus the military. A puny handful of mostly middle-aged people who were not even armed, and clearly not organized, merely acting badly in the heat of the moment, is so far from an “insurrection” it would be laughable, if it were not such a sinister effort to interfere with our electoral process.
“Is Trump immune? That isn’t the f***ing issue – you on the Left haven’t actually charged him with a real crime.”
Trump has been indicted in four different jurisdictions by four different grand juries on a total of 91 charges.
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/
All of these are “real ” crimes. All the charges are based of evidence gathered and presented to grand juries. The vast majority of the witnesses are Republicans.
Amazona,
The 14th amendment was enacted after the Civil War and doesn’t require a conviction and for good reason, it covered thousands former Confederate officers. Requiring convictions for each one would have bogged down the courts for years. In addition, the Colorado Supreme Court spent some time looking at the evidence against Trump and concluded that he had indeed attempted an insurrection.
Casper, none of these cases are going anywhere. There is no underlying crime, no victim, no nothing in any of these cases. The only conviction may be in NY because that is a bench trial and the judge is a hack but that decision will easily be overturned upon appeal. This is simply the Russia Collusion hoax on steroids. Good news is most Americans are appalled at who Democrats have become and are running away from people like you as fast as they can. You are actually bolstering Trumps chance of winning. And I thank you for that.
They’re not SUPPOSED to “go anywhere”. Once they fail to derail Trump they will just quietly disappear, before their details are held up to public scrutiny. Their only purposes are to distract Trump and convinced people that there is something so wrong with him they should not vote for him. Fortunately, they are so heavy-handed they overplayed their hands, and stirred up that American sense of fair play, as even people who don’t care for Trump have even more negative feelings about a Soviet-style State use of government powers to silence political opposition and blatantly rig an election.
casper: You might try actually READING the 14th Amendment, instead of merely parroting what Maddow or some equally brain dead talking head has told you. Here’s what a real Constitutional scholar points out:
Alan Dershowitz: “There is no power in a state court to enforce the 14th Amendment.”
Section 5 reads: “The Congress shall have the power to enforce…the provisions of this article.”
The Colorado Supreme Court’s disqualification of Trump spits in the face of the rule of law.
Naturally Leftists would “explain” how a Constitutional right can be dismissed if the reasons are good enough. Your defense is remarkably stupid even for you. You seem to be claiming that every single former Confederate officer would have had to be tried, bogging down courts for years. Of course, this is ridiculous. Only those wanting to take an office covered by the Amendment would be scrutinized for disqualifying actions.
And no court has the authority to find anyone guilty of anything without due process. You seem to be (1) defending a tactic popular with dictators, who love to have people declared guilty without trials, and (2) ignorant of the fact that states do not have the authority to adjudicate federal charges. And then of course there is that pesky Section 5, which specifically delegates enforcement of the rule to Congress.
Your posts are always entertaining, in a strange and rather sad way. That is, if you were 14 and just trying to remember what your math teacher (the one in the Che t-shirt with the Pride ribbons attached) told you. As an extremely mature (in years anyway) person with college degrees and experience in our “educational” system, it’s just plain pathetic.
And don’t pretend that you didn’t know that when Mark said “…you on the Left haven’t actually charged him with a real crime” he was talking about the crime of insurrection.
As far as your silly list of indictments, we have gone over them many times. Some were for things well beyond the statutes of limitation, some had been dismissed already or rejected for prosecution because they were so weak and unsupported, some required a lot of personal interpretation, and all have been decried as gross distortions of the law. But they serve their purpose, in convincing people like you of things that are simply not true.
Yeah, huge number of GOPers in DC.
There isn’t one real crime charged…it is all BS.
Also, now, moot: looks like you guys won’t even get your kangaroo court trial before election day 2024.
That aside, you clearly have not read the 14th Amendment because it says Congress shall make laws to enforce it. Not ANYBODY ELSE. Just Congress.
And Congress made the law to enforce it.
As I pointed out: takes a US Attorney convicting a person in federal court of insurrection.
Trump isn’t charged anywhere with insurrection.
Even if he is and even if he is convicted – not for any State court under any guise to determine if he’s eligible for federal office.
casper has his own relationship with reality, formed by his attraction to the lies and fantasies of the rabid Left, and no facts will dislodge him from his delusions. When they are pointed out he merely smirks that a lot of other people agree with him. When faced with facts he just announces that he prefers his version. Fortunately, he is no longer in the position of poisoning young minds with his distortions of our governing document.
When his errors are pointed out, he just falls back on simpering “the Constitution has been interpreted in thousands of ways since it was written” as if that excuses the efforts to make it say what it clearly does not. He’s always preferred the interpretations of the Constitution that have little or nothing to do with what it really says, such as his old insistence that to respect the Constitution as it is written is to support slavery and denying women the vote. Did it matter that neither of these words or concepts appear in the Constitution? Of course not.
So he and his fellow travelers, the poster children of the ignorant (and to be accurate, stupid) base of the Democrat Party, merely dismiss inconvenient facts and obediently regurgitate Leftist cant. He is so giddy about the weaponization of our federal agencies in a Soviet-style effort to destroy a political opponent that the validity of the charges doesn’t matter—a lot of people agree with him, after all.
I have read the 14th Amendment and I haven’t watched MSNBC in years. I stream a few entertainment channels. That said, the Supreme Court will determine how all this plays out.
BTW, should be interesting to see the Epstein list. I’m pretty sure Alan Dershowitz will be on it.
If you read it you certainly didn’t understand it. Of course you have also claimed to read the rest of the Constitution, yet have never been right about any comment you have made about it. Your comment about not watching MSNBC is irrelevant and, I think, evasive, as if to imply that you don’t get your news and information from Liberal media, which is nonsense. Everything you post and ever have posted reeks of the garbage peddled by those sites. Thanks again Captain Obvious for the insightful observation that this will go to the Supreme Court, while simply evading the facts that I presented.
There was a time when a woman claimed Epstein had trafficked her to Dershowitz, who always staunchly denied this. Way back in November of 2022, more than a year ago, she admitted she “may have been mistaken” and dropped her lawsuit against him, upon which he dropped his for defamation of character against her. Funny how extortion fails when you try to intimidate a lawyer like Dershowitz, and she backed off. Aside from this woman, there has never been anything linking Dershowitz to Epstein. Only the most vile people buy into this kind of crap, much less keep trying to keep it going more than a year after it was laid to rest. It’s pretty slimy to default to a personal attack on Dershowitz’s character in response to his thoughtful and scholarly comment on the legitimacy of the Colorado effort to rig the election.
I do understand the 14th amendment and have read and reread the Constitution many times over the years. I would disagree with a number of your interpretations of the Constitution as would many others. The Constitution has been interpreted in thousands of ways since it was written and will continue to be so.
“Aside from this woman, there has never been anything linking Dershowitz to Epstein.”
Other than they were friends starting in the nineties and Dershowitz defended him in one of his sexual abuse cases. Of course if you don’t believe me you might believe him.
I guess I haven’t been as, uh, “interested” in Epstein as you obviously have been
I have noticed that little people with little lives try to apply their smallness to others. After all, it’s their only frame of reference.
So the bigger world, of bright and interesting and often very rich people, is incomprehensible to them. The idea that over a span of decades two men could have an occasional friendship based on mutual appreciation of intellect must be reduced to something that fits into that tiny restricted world they inhabit. And everything has to be simplified till it is comprehensible to the tiny minds and often that means being distilled into something ugly and perverted—because that is what resonates in these minds.
Jeffrey Epstein was a pervert whose other qualities of intelligence and ambition gave him the financial means to indulge his perversion on a grand scale. But he was more than just a sexual pervert and predator. Those who knew him said he was brilliant, and charming, and could engage in interesting conversations on a multitude of topics. Not everyone who shared conversations with him, or enjoyed his company, also shared his perversions. Of course, to a certain mentality the opportunity to smear someone due to his association with Epstein, because this person has tread upon the toes of the radical Left, is too good to pass up. Therefore we get the smug snide suggestion that Alan Dershowitz shared Epstein’s perversions, because they had an occasional friendship and Dershowitz also once defended Epstein in court. It’s this kind of disgusting default to sheer nastiness that has always lurked not too far behind casper’s efforts to appear decent and reasonable. It always shows through.
” Like Dershowitz, Epstein was from Brooklyn, and he liked to discuss big ideas. He considered himself a man of science. “He was feisty, he was utterly politically incorrect,” Dershowitz said. “He was interesting to be with.”
For around a decade, Dershowitz kept casual company with Epstein
Dershowitz claims they were never really friends despite their proximity.
“He was an acquaintance,” he said. “In retrospect, I wish I hadn’t taken the case, but I didn’t see a problem with taking the case. We didn’t have a close, personal relationship.”
So I see Casper and dunny arguing in favor of subjective decisions to remove candidates from ballots. Very much like the actions of the 1930’s Nazi’s, but that’s who Democrats have become. Trump has never even been charged with insurrection, let alone convicted of it, and if you read Trumps transcript on Jan 6, you will not find any incitement to a riot or violence. They have nothing, it’s purely the childish emotions driving their decisions. That being said, I can make a stronger case against Joe Biden being an insurrectionist much more so than Trump. Biden has allowed millions of illegal low skilled labor into the country depriving many blue collar Americans that opportunity, Biden has allowed massive amounts of Fentynal into the country killing hundreds of thousands of America kids, Biden has taken in millions of dolars from foreign adversaries and allowed a Chinese spy balloon to traverse the country unimpeded, and Biden has allowed his son to engage international sex trafficking.
And I got a good laugh from dunny when he was not happy to see a fellow comrade personally attacked, LMAO, get use to it you piece of shit. You and your non binary friends are the worst people in the world and have verbally and physically attacked anyone who doesn’t support your worldview delusions so these confrontations are just starting and will ramp up. We are so fucking done with little fucks like you that verbal attacks will turn physical at some point if you keep insisting.
You’ve thrown the best you have at Trump and you haven’t even dented him. Now we will throw everything back at you and your pedophile president and we will destroy you.
You say if you read Trumps transcript on Jan 6, you will not find any incitement to a riot or violence. True. But more to the point, regarding the incessant use of that volatile word “insurrection” is that at no time, in any way, in any context, ever, did Trump advocate for the overthrow of the government or the assumption of its powers. It simply never happened.
And that is the definition of “insurrection”. Insurrection is not a riot, or bad manners, or trespassing. It is a serious effort to change the government by taking over its powers. But the Left counts on the ignorance of its base and the blind allegiance of people like casper and dunny, to keep the narrative going.
The government-supported (by looking the other way) riots by Antifa were far closer to insurrection than anything that happened on January 6. They often involved chants of overthrowing the government and attacks on federal buildings—-not to steal office supplies, but to destroy the buildings, to burn them down, and in at least one case to kill those inside as the doors were nailed shut before the rioters started their fires. These were riots staged and paid for by anti-American entities, openly in favor of destroying our government and assuming its powers.
In Portland, Antifa lit a police precinct on fire and tried to lock the doors to kill the officers inside. And Kamala Harris contributed to a fund to keep them out of jail. THAT’S AN INSURRECTION. And that’s why MAGA will fight to the death to eliminate people like that. Or should I say, MAGA will abort these people … there that makes it sound better and something dunny can support. It’s just a choice.
No, it was not an insurrection, in that the goal was not to overthrow the government and certainly not to assume its powers. It was attempted murder, and there might be other charges related to the fact that the targeted victims were police officers and the act was part of a general attack on authority. But we have to be very careful about how we use words.
And no, in spite of the bloodthirsty comments made by a couple of posters here, MAGA is not about “eliminating” the people themselves, just applying the law to them and eliminating the political theory behind their actions. MAGA means Make America Great Again, not Make America Go Apeshit and kill people it doesn’t like.
It’s not killing people “we don’t like”. It’s eliminating people who are trying to “fundamentally transform” the country. And they can self eliminate if they want by sitting down and shutting the fuck up. But if they don’t, there will be physical confrontation, count on it. MAGA isn’t starting this.
And trying to kill local authorities, and burning down federal buildings, IMO is an insurrection. Those men were not just citizens, they were officers who represent law and order. And law and order was being attacked, aka an insurrection.
“Eliminating people” only means one thing.
And applying your personal opinion (“IMO is an insurrection.”) to change the actual legal meaning of a word is no different than what the Left does. Rioting, destruction, arson, attempted murder, all are serious crimes. But they have to be accurately identified and prosecuted for what they are, not for what they FEEL like.
Unless the arsonists did what they did in an effort to then take over the powers of the government, their act was not insurrection. There are probably laws on the books covering the specifics of attacking law enforcement offices, federal buildings, etc. I don’t think even an anarchist agenda of overthrowing the government would count as insurrection if there was no linked goal of assuming its powers. I don’t know about that. But attacking a police station is only a symbolic attack on the government itself, not a serious effort to overthrow it.
When a team is “eliminated” from the playoffs, they are sent home not to be heard from again. It has more than one meaning.
You mean they’re not lined up on the 50 yard line and shot in the back of the head? That’s a relief.
I’d be in favor of airlifting all Democrats to a desert island and dropping them food and supplies from time to time. I’ll bet it wouldn’t take all that long for them to “abort” themselves out of existence.
I’m more focused on eliminating the ideology of the movement and letting it wither away. I’ll bet 90% or more of these Democrats did not arrive at their odd distorted concepts on their own. They are just so intellectually lazy and easily manipulated that they are putty in the hands of skilled propagandists. Cut off the head of the snake, stop the tsunami of propaganda, and let these people live a few months without being told what to think or how to feel and most of them will probably recover, at least to some extent, from their mental illness.
Florida and Texas are now considering removing Biden from the ballot.
PLEASE DO IT
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1737528070599319621?s=20
If the new “standard” is that a secretary of state has the authority to decide who is and who is not qualified to be on the primary ballot, then it should apply to every state. That would make the primary elections interesting, with the red states not allowing Biden (or Harris, given her support for anarchy) and the blue states claiming Trump is guilty of something he was never formally accused of to keep him off their ballots all adding to national chaos and meaningless primaries.
Which is, at heart, what the Left wants. Keep those silly voters and their outdated ideas of being able to chose their leaders away from the levers of government.
Florida and Texas are now considering removing Biden from the ballot.
PLEASE DO IT
Democrats efforts to remove Trump from state ballots could end up being one of the most classic be-careful-what-you-wish-for efforts in history.
The Jan 6 “insurrection” is as real as climate change, which is as real as pregnant men, which is as real as “saving democracy” in Ukraine. IT’S ALL LIES.
All of these efforts by Dems to remove Trump from ballots, are just an admission on their part, that they know they can’t beat him.
As I listed in an earlier post, they have tried literally everything to stop him. They started to telegraph their desperation when they got Cheney to lead an effort to keep him off the ballot, a tacit admission that the only way they could count on keeping him out of office and away from his agenda of defanging the Bureaucratic State would be just to keep people from voting for him. (I think enough has come out about the election frauds of 2020 to make an effort to replicate that too dangerous to count on.)
Here’s a good example of who Casper and dunny are …
A holiday party hosted by Michigan’s 13th Congressional District Democratic Party devolved into chaos after pro-Palestine activists crashed the event. On December 16, members of the Palestinian Youth Movement and Party for Socialism and Liberation crashed the event and confronted Representative Shri Thanedar over his support for Israel. Video shows people shoving and shouting at each other. Community activist Bobbie Avington-Smith was sent to the hospital with two black eyes. She took to Instagram live after the event, proclaiming: ‘Them Arabs in motherf***ing Detroit tried to kill me!’
They are stupid, chaotic, and violent.
The problem with needing chaos and fomenting it to gain political power is that after a while there is just too much of it, and the factions lose their clear boundaries and start turning on each other.
Maybe Kamala can create a nice Venn diagram of the intersecting Leftist groups where each group also steps on the toes of some other Leftist group or groups. We’re seeing it as “feminists” now have to accept men as women and are losing their hard-fought battle for Title 9 and women’s sports. Unfettered illegal immigration is starting to fracture Leftist strongholds, as now the Official Democrat Victim Class (blacks) are seeing illegals taking what they see as theirs, in food stamps and free housing plus other goodies like pre-paid credit cards and cell phones. While the brutality and savagery of the Palestinians toward women is tragic and abhorrent on every level, it also puts a lot of “feminist” Leftist women in a bind—they want to support the latest victim group, but on the other hand there IS that gang rape thing……..
I want to know who is paying for the cell phone service all of these illegal invaders have, and who is doing their laundry?
Their laundry is probably done by the same people who bought them those nice new clothes and transported them to the border
NY Mayor Eric Adams has been an open critic of Biden’s presidency, and he is now soon to face federal indictment. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson has also been an open critic and now this below … Trump is NOT a threat to this country. DEMOCRATS ARE.
The City of Chicago has initiated seizure orders for two SUVs from the motorcade of the city’s Democratic Mayor, Brandon Johnson, due to non-payment of accumulated traffic fines. Mayor Johnson’s convoy of vehicles has allegedly failed to settle a stack of fines from red light and speed camera infractions amounting to $2,130.
Those who don’t understand history are doomed to repeat it, and i am afraid that is Americas future. They same ignorant little fucks that walk around sporting Che Guevara shirts, are the same people wearing Hamas garb, and applauding the removal of candidates from ballots. And yet they believe they are “saving democracy”. We are in the twilight zone.
Every generation has its rebels against what came before it. In the past couple of decades this has been exacerbated by the influence of increasingly dishonest media now openly acting as conduits for Leftist propaganda. But it is in the nature of young people to want to find their role in adulthood, and without mature guidance from parents and society they pretty much have to make it up as they go along. In our world today, that “guidance” comes almost exclusively from the Left through its many venues, starting with its stranglehold on education.
Emerging from childhood into adulthood it is normal to need to feel relevant, especially in a world where relevance is so hard to come by. It’s not like the days when you would get entry level job experience or a degree, get a decent job, marry and have children and achieve relevance through your relationships with family, community and church. Now a young person emerges into a vacuum, a huge empty space with no directions. He is unprepared to find or keep a good job, because he has never been trained in the basics like showing up, showing up on time, being focused on the work that needs to be done, taking responsibility for doing the work well, etc. He is semi-literate at best, without the broad foundation of knowledge other generations got from reading and learning about the world through the words of others. He didn’t read “Winnie the Pooh” but just saw the cartoon. He didn’t read “Tom Sawyer” but saw a second-rate movie based on the book. Their world is very very small, and very superficial, defined by cartoons and video games, and they are frustrated because they really have no future.
So they latch on to what seems important to them, what feels like it will make them feel relevant. And their ideas of what this might be are formed by our media. They don’t support the savagery and brutality of Hamas, because they are shielded from it by the Complicit Agenda Media, and all they are told is that there is a vast sea of poor, helpless people being victimized by mean people. So they feel relevant, and that they are part of something bigger and moral, by expressing support for the alleged victims. As they have been brought up on the Leftist promise of a shortcut to the Higher Moral Ground merely by being “FOR” something, they believe that being “FOR” what they are told is justice for the oppressed will make them both virtuous and relevant. They don’t wear Che Guevara T shirts because they admire his career as a paid assassin and brutal torturer, because they are told he was a “freedom fighter”. And they are never told that the alleged freedom he allegedly fought for immediately became a brutal and oppressive government which people risk death to try to escape.
It’s always about who controls the narrative. But I think it is important to realize that they are not purposely embracing evil—they believe they are embracing good.
Even Jonathan Chait understands that the legal definition of insurrection is at the core of the Left’s efforts.
The weak point in this argument is the finding that Trump’s behavior constitutes “insurrection.” This is a defensible shorthand for January 6, one I’ve used frequently myself. But it’s not the most precise term. When I have the chance to use a longer description, I generally say that Trump attempted to secure an unelected second term in office.
Trump’s plan was to mobilize a mob to intimidate Congress into following his scheme to ignore the election results. His use of violent threats to secure power is obviously unforgivable, authoritarian, and very likely criminal. But there is at least some grounds to question whether it was an “insurrection” in the meaning intended by the 14th Amendment. Trump was not trying to seize and hold the Capitol nor declare a breakaway republic.
I will point out that Chait is, as usual, profoundly wrong on some of his claims. Nothing Trump said or did supports the assertion that he “attempted to secure an unelected second term in office” or that he had a “scheme to ignore the election results” or even that he ever made “use of violent threats to secure power”. None of these claims can be supported by evidence, as they are merely the emotional reactions of a Leftist to something that bothered him. (We are used to Leftists substituting their own reactions for facts. When I once laughed, with some friends, about a young Liberal college graduate bringing her newly minted degree and some “studies” on wildlife to ranch country to tell ranchers how to ranch, and said she needed to pack up her Birkenstocks and head back to Boulder, a Lib I knew only got from this that I hate Birkenstocks. It’s a Lib Filter thing.)
Anyway, it was clearly hard for Chait to admit the truth. He surrounded it with his own impressions of what Trump “really meant” and then qualified the truth with his waffling about “at least some grounds to question whether it was an insurrection” but he finally had to choke out the facts. That Trump was not trying to seize and hold the Capitol nor declare a breakaway republic.
Of course, Chait tries to conflate the behavior of a very few individuals with Trump himself. And I will add that not only did TRUMP not try to seize and hold the Capitol and declare a breakaway republic, none of those being so brutally persecuted for participating in the riot did, either. I think even the planted agitators stopped short of trying to get people to overthrow the government.
But it’s not the most precise term.
No, it’s not that it is “not the most precise term”. It’s that it is totally false. “not the most precise term” implies at least some level of precision and accuracy, neither of which is related to the casual misuse of the term. It is a lie.
Jonathan’s clinging to the tatters of his beloved propaganda is sad but not surprising. What is surprising that he allowed a glimmer of truth and fact to penetrate his brain fog, even though he had to surround it with disclaimers and other falsehoods.
TRUMP HUSH MONEY CASE
Weaknesses of the case:
Elevating the business-records charges into felonies by linking them to an underlying federal election violation would be a novel legal theory that would test the interaction of state and federal laws.
Trump’s legal team may portray the Daniels payoff as a private matter and the charges themselves as technical bookkeeping violations, too insubstantial to justify criminal charges against a former president.
Uh, Yeah! An adult man entered into an embarrassing situation with an adult consenting female, and then offered to pay her to refrain from going public with the information. It is possible that she committed extortion by threatening to make this public if he did not pay. In any case, one mutually consenting act (sex) was followed by another mutually consenting act (payment in exchange for silence). Neither of these is illegal. The alleged “crime” depends on the interpretation of the motive for the second act, on projecting what Trump “really thought” and “really intended”.
And BTW the state of New York does not have the authority to prosecute federal election law violations.
CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT CASE
A lot of hysteria about nothing. Declassified documents retained, with the knowledge of the Archives, and stored safely under stringent security. It only became a big deal when the State realized that it was missing one file, which detailed its criminality in the Operation Crossfire debacle, and sent a SWAT team to Trump’s residence to try to find it and get it back. This is not admitted, but events indicate this is what prompted the sudden and unprecedented raid on his home. The thing is, Trump publicly announced while he was still in office that he was declassifying this entire file. Biden’s later claim that he then “reclassified” it, and the panic in the administration when it could not be found, leads to the obvious conclusion that it is damaging to the State but the entire sequence of events is all tied to the panic around proof of the criminality of the Obama/Biden administrations and their pet federal agencies.
GEORGIA ELECTION INTERFERENCE CASE
One of the silliest, including the whine that when Trump called Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, and urged him to “find 11,780 votes” the word “find” suddenly meant “create”. As usual, the charge depends on personal interpretation of how a person reacted emotionally to a comment mixed with a huge amount of redefinition of words. All of the allegations are hyper-emotional and sketchy.
To this I will add that as Chief Executive Officer of the nation Trump had a legal obligation to do whatever he could to ensure that votes were legitimate and correctly accounted for and tallied.
THE FEDERAL ELECTION INTERFERENCE CASE
Trump has been charged with four crimes in the investigation. Two relate to the disruption of Congress’ certification of the electoral vote on Jan. 6. One alleges a scheme to defraud the United States through a sustained effort to impede the collection, counting and certification of votes in the 2020 election. And the fourth charge accuses Trump of a conspiracy to deprive citizens of a right secured under federal law — specifically, the right to vote and to have one’s vote counted.
The alleged strengths of the case are so weak it is embarrassing to call them “strengths”. Two are marginally accurate, in that a rally created by Trump to peacefully petition Congress did turn into a disruptive event, though Congress was not kept from accomplishing what it met to accomplish, and the actual recorded words of Trump were about a peaceful and legal rally. There was no effort to impede the collection or counting of votes, and only a petition to temporarily delay the certification to allow Congress to do what we should expect Congress to do and look into possible election fraud, and the fourth count is simply silly.
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And this is what has you so giddy and convinced that Trump committed crimes.
You are such a pathetic little meat puppet, obediently regurgitating whatever the Left feeds you.
Democrats efforts to subvert the Constitution isn’t going well …
BREAKING: Supreme Court Sends Jack Smith Packing – DENIES His Request For Ruling on Trump Immunity Argument
And note Smith’s argument to the Court … Trump “frustrated the process” LOL. I wonder if Hillary’s Russia collusion hoax “frustrated” the process.
“This case involves—for the first time in our Nation’s history—criminal charges against a former President based on his actions while in office,” Smith wrote in Thursday’s filing, according to Fox News. “And not just any actions: alleged acts to perpetuate himself in power by frustrating the constitutionally prescribed process for certifying the lawful winner of an election.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/breaking-supreme-court-sends-jack-smith-packing-denies/
I am loving this … what goes around, comes around
“Today, we are joining forces to introduce legislation to REMOVE Joe Biden from the ballot in Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania.
The absurdity of radical Democrat judges removing Donald Trump from the ballot in Colorado will be a stain on the American political system for decades. By their very own interpretation of the law, Joe Biden is 100% not eligible to run for political office.
Democrats’ insane justification to remove Trump can just as easily be applied to Joe Biden for his “insurrection” at the southern border and his alleged corrupt family business dealings with China.
Colorado radicals just changed the game and we are not going to sit quietly while they destroy our Republic.
To be clear, our objective is to showcase the absurdity of Colorado’s decision and allow ALL candidates to be on the ballot in all states. To do that, we must fight back as Republicans against the communists currently running our great country.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/breaking-gop-state-lawmakers-draft-bills-remove-joe/
I applaud this effort. What goes around, comes around. And for some reason, Democrats think they are immune to that.
This is quite the article … people who constantly complain about everything, should never lead anything. And that’s all Democrats do … is complain, complain, complain. Here they are still campaigning on their grievances of Trump 4 years after stealing the election and implementing all their brain dead policies. Of course, they can’t campaign on their successes.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/long-time-democrat-hollywood-star-breaks-down-tears/
Her complaining comes down to high taxes eroding her income. So who do you think she’s going to vote for (again) in 2024?
Hint: dollars to doughnuts it won’t be for the guy who cut taxes when he was in office. Being blinded by tribal loyalty means making the same mistakes over and over, even after they prove to be painful.