Open Thread

This was done in Los Angeles yesterday:

The riots were pretty bad there – with the Mayor and police chief of Los Angeles positively encouraging violence against ICE, which was executing valid warrants to detain illegal immigrants. As noted in my previous post: I’m supposed to let people who do this vote? People who scrawl that on our buildings? They get to have as much say as I do?

Look, you’re allowed to hate Trump. You’re allowed to hate Trump policies. But if you are violently trying to stop lawful actions by the Trump administration, you’re insane. You are creating a situation where people can get killed. The place for disagreement is politics…that is, you try to change the government in future elections, not try to intimidate people via violence. Insane purveyors of violence should not be allowed to vote.

Team Trump is responding properly to this – these idiots all did this on video. They seem to forget that there are federal charges – very major federal charges – in trying to prevent the execution of a federal warrant. The funny part here is that these laws were first enacted to stop Democrats from denying civil rights to black people…now they’re to be used to stop Democrats from protecting illegal immigration. It seems that from time to time the heavy club of federal law is needed to keep Democrats under control

The Trump-Musk feud has calmed down a bit…and it really does seem that the proximate cause was Trump withdrawing Musk’s preferred man to head up NASA. From what I understand on that, it was Senate opposition that convinced Trump to withdraw the guy…which does sometimes happen. Could there be some level of Deep State machination in this? Sure. But you also pick your battles…and I guess this was a battle Musk wanted Trump to pick. Trump saw it differently and here we are.

It is good to keep in mind that Musk never was 100% on board with the Trump program. Musk is also a strategist…and his strategic interests are high tech plus space exploration. A lot of this matches up with MAGA but its not a 1 for 1 thing. Musk favors solar over nuclear. Favors open immigration in the tech industry. Musk is a free trader who dreams of a massive human investment in making humanity multiplanetary…Trump wants America first, restrictions on immigration and his Department of Energy is already pushing hard for massive nuclear power development. These are issues honest people can have disagreements over…but they are different strategic aims and those pushing for their aims will come into conflict. Two very large figures came into conflict…and Trump emerged as the more reasonable of the two. I suspect that Musk will work out some deal with Team Trump so that at least he can get some of what he wants. Think of Musk as Nimitz and Trump as MacArthur…very different ideas about how to defeat Japan but their conflicting visions, pushed with vigor, actually ensured quicker defeat of Japan than if one of them had got their way entirely.

The Democrats got their “Maryland man” back! With a raft of federal charges. And while he is back in the USA to face those charges, he’s still illegally in country…which means no matter what some federal judge says, he’s not being let out of federal detention per-trial. Looks like their hero is a pretty bad guy…and that the reason he had to flee El Salvador was because of a hit he did on a rival gang. So, he’s going to sit in federal custody, be convicted of a long list of federal charges…and then deported back to El Salvador to face charges there.

And the GOP will be able to make a whole series of campaign ads about this for 2026. Oh, and all that “Death to Amerikka” stuff from yesterday will also make it into the ads. Do keep in mind that our opponents are very stupid – they only managed to hang on to power because their idiocy was covered up by an MSM almost all Americans trusted.

Most Americans no longer trust that MSM.

26 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 7, 2025 / 6:39 pm

    You keep coming back – why?

    Certainly not to actually comprehend what I say. So, I’ll be nice – here’s a passage from Book X of the Mirrors series. Read it. Understand it. You might start to understand where I come from:

    “Aleste,” I said, and then stopped.

    My daughter was going to have her mother’s height but she wasn’t quite there yet so I was still a lot taller than her. I looked at her and she looked up at me, smiling. My heart skipped. So much like her mother in looks! But something else was in there now; something I didn’t know. She wasn’t just the little girl I had helped to raise. A little thrill of both fear and excitement shivered through my heart.

    “Can’t you tell me what is really happening? I know your mother can’t. Neither can Rossalyn. But can’t you?”

    She reached out and took my hand.

    “It is better if you stay away from magic, daddy. It is why she brought you to mommy. I know it’s hard. It’s hard for me, too. But, also, we don’t really know, you see? When we have magic inside us, we can see many things, and help others see things as well…but we can’t be sure if what we see is going to happen or will only happen if we decide based on what we see. So, you can’t know. None of us really can. I get to see more than most, but I have to be very careful as I don’t know the whole plan.”

    “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.”

    “That is from your Bible.”

    “You read it? Why didn’t you tell me?”

    “Grandpa and I read it together.”

    I nodded my head.

    “And that is my answer, isn’t it?”

    “It is always the answer, daddy. You know that already.”

    “For when I am powerless, it is then that I am strong.”

    Aleste smiled at me and nodded.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 7, 2025 / 9:27 pm

      Let me guess. His post was really just another sneer at or about a PERSON, right? Because that is the sum total of his “political” perspective—to choose a side and then attack those on the other side. Shallow, yes. Superficial, yes. Petty, absolutely. But it’s a compulsion and it is just fed when someone responds to it.

      • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 8, 2025 / 12:43 pm

        Pretty much. You’d think that if you keep coming here, you’d want to say something we’d like to talk about.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 8, 2025 / 1:50 pm

        You’d think that if you keep coming here, you’d want to say something we’d like to talk about… if the goal is actual discourse. But if the goal is merely to vent pathology and/or regurgitate Leftist talking points and/or to goad people into responding for the cheap thrills of getting clicks, then this is not relevant.

        But it is all just a plea for attention. Because there is no real response to a post that is, essentially, just a slight variation on the theme that (subjects: Trump, Republicans, other B4V posters, et al) are (characterization: stupid, corrupt, dishonest, etc.) other than denial and possibly an effort to prove the assertion wrong. But this is really just bickering, which meets the need of the troll for attention.

        Every one of his posts is just a version of clickbait, and is unserious and petty.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 9, 2025 / 9:45 am

        Just ran across this Saul Alinsky quote from his “Rules For Radicals”:

        “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

        Clearly this is the philosophy of trolls

  2. Amazona's avatar Amazona June 7, 2025 / 10:17 pm

    I’ve never gotten the impression that Musk “favors open immigration in the tech industry”—at least not “open immigration” in the sense of simply letting people enter the country without documentation or permission.

    When I got H1-B papers for some foreign workers, it was for a highly specialized subset of a skill set that was hard to fill with American workers. Those who had it worked for themselves as independent contractors and did not want to work for someone else. I spent a LOT of money to get these visas, and part of the process was to get a government evaluation of what the jobs should pay, then advertise all over the country for anyone to fill those positions. Not until I made those jobs available to American workers at the going rate for the work and got no response could I get the visas.

    I am sure that tech workers would go through the same process. So if there is a level of skill that is not met by most American tech workers it makes sense to make it easier to hire foreigners to do the work. It might prompt American workers to up their game to be more competitive. I understand that there might be sensitive areas here—-I could understand preferring to work with people from other countries who have a work ethic and good educational backgrounds if there have been experiences with poorly educated Americans, and/or spoiled Americans who object to the demands of certain fields of endeavor. For example, sometimes it is necessary to work late, or come in on weekends, for an important project, and if an employer has dealt with snowflakes who insist on punching out at the stroke of 5 and whine about overtime it would understandable to prefer to hire people with more appreciation for their jobs. But it would be possible to screen for that kind of bias, and if the tech industry is important then we should try to staff it with the best in the field.

    (After all, we used Operation Paperclip to get ahead in the weapons and space races.)

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 8, 2025 / 12:50 pm

      I get the distinct sense that Musk wants an easy immigration policy because he doesn’t want to have any trouble getting the guys he wants in…that is, in order to make sure he can keep doing what he needs, he’s willing to turn a blind eye to the abuses of the H1-B visa program. He’s not Biden’s Auto Pen letting millions in…but he’s not actually Build The Wall, either.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 8, 2025 / 1:55 pm

        But this is an assumption that Musk knows of/approves of alleged “abuses of the H1-B visa program”. It’s this kind of attribution of motive to someone without any real basis that leads to all sorts of conflict.

        Wanting an ongoing and functional visa system is not the same thing as “turning a blind eye” to defects in an existing system.

  3. Amazona's avatar Amazona June 8, 2025 / 10:58 am

    How can Mexicans who want to be accepted in the United States think they are advancing their cause by waving Mexican flags, encouraging escalation of attacks on federal law enforcement, and being the face of violence and insurrection (if we accept the Leftist definition of “insurrection” as interference in government actions accompanied by violence).

    What the Mexican community in Los Angeles, legal or not, is signaling to the nation is that they are not Americans and are declaring war on America. And that seems like a remarkably self-destructive move.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 8, 2025 / 11:33 am

      Core Beliefs & Goals:

      • Opposition to U.S. imperialism, capitalism, and settler colonialism
      • Advocacy for immigrant rights, against deportations and ICE raids
      • Promotion of community organizing in working-class Latino neighborhoods
      • Support for socialist and pan-Latino unity movements
      • Education and youth empowerment through political study and activism

      Action campaigns:

      • Organizes rallies and protests, particularly against ICE and border enforcement
      • Runs community education programs like Escuelita Aztlán
      • Collaborates with other radical left-wing organizations in the U.S. and Latin America
      • Frequently involved in May Day demonstrations, anti-police protests, and immigration activism

      Mexican version of BLM but with a distinctly foreign element—that is, anti-American and subversive.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 8, 2025 / 11:55 am

        “A key question emerging from the unrest is the extent to which illegal aliens are participating in the riots—and whether any individuals or groups may be acting under the influence of foreign intelligence agencies intent on fomenting social unrest within the U.S.

        Given the indicators observed so far—coordinated action, ideological messaging, and tactical resemblance suggest the rogue nonprofits aligned with the Democratic Party are using “color revolution” frameworks in their attempt to spark nationwide riots. This incident should be evaluated as a potential national security threat, given the likely participation of foreign nationals.

        I also suggest that these subversives consider the fact that legal authority to live here, ranging from active visas to permanent residency all the way through naturalization can be (and should be) revoked for violent opposition to the government.

      • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 8, 2025 / 12:48 pm

        It certainly is a PR disaster for the Democrats – the guy waving a Mexican flag as he rode his motorcycle around a burning car is now the symbol of the Democrats’ immigration policy. The MSM is, of course, not really covering this…so the Dem voters won’t even know how bad this is…but I guarantee you that those images will be on a loop during the 2026 midterms.

        But I do believe we are faced not just with an internal political problem – these foreigners do seem very confident they can get away with this. Almost as if they work for people who are juiced in to the American political system…that they are actually fifth columnists. Which, of course, they are – de-facto even if not de-jure. And they should be treated as armed foreign combatants in my view.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 8, 2025 / 2:03 pm

        “they should be treated as armed foreign combatants” and I think they very well might be. So far we have seen an overall Trump policy of giving people enough rope to hang themselves, and this might be another example of that. Because this kind of activity has several possible and even likely outcomes.

        (1) Expansion of deportations, to include people here legally who have participated in anti-American activities including anti-American violence and interference with law enforcement.
        (2) Undermining of public disapproval of deportations
        (3) Using the Left’s inaccurate yet widely accepted definition of “insurrection” against its own activism
        (4) Establishment in the public eye of justification for prosecution of public officials, including the mayor of Los Angeles and possibly even the governor of California, making California the first state to experience widely applied enforcement of various laws including USC 1324 and a warning to other officials

  4. Amazona's avatar Amazona June 8, 2025 / 8:31 pm

    I keep telling you that punctuation is important!

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 8, 2025 / 9:00 pm

      The panda eats shoots and leaves—-or eats, shoots, and leaves? Kind of a difference there.

  5. Amazona's avatar Amazona June 8, 2025 / 8:36 pm
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  7. Cluster's avatar Cluster June 9, 2025 / 8:12 am

    The only good Democrat, is a dead Democrat

  8. Cluster's avatar Cluster June 9, 2025 / 9:17 am

    It appears as though California Democrats and Mexicans are staging an insurrection. I am not sure this all ends peacefully

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 9, 2025 / 9:23 am

      It has been insane – and you realize there is no government in California. Oh, sure, there’s people with titles and paychecks and so forth…but an entity actually carrying out government responsibilities? No such thing. They let the houses burn, they let the cars burn, they let the looters loot..when confronted with a violent mob, the police retreat, abandoning their vehicles. Nobody is actually in charge there.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster June 9, 2025 / 9:43 am

        Watching Karen Bass yesterday was comical. This is a Mayor who was incapable of preventing a fire from completely destroying one of her communities, and who has yet to remove regulations allowing the residents to recover and who is now blaming Trump for her unruly constituents. Even George Orwell could not have anticipated this.

      • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 9, 2025 / 11:01 am

        The Democrats have gone all-in on “it is Trump’s fault”. You see, if Trump hadn’t tried to enforce immigration laws, none of this would happen. Meanwhile, they are encouraging people to get out in the streets and “push back”. What they are hoping for is that the scenes will alienate people from Trump and, especially, that someone will get killed they can dress up as the new St George of Fentanyl.

        But this is serious business. I believe Trump has to run some serious risks here – there is no effective government in Los Angeles. Perhaps in all of California. The Constitution requires the federal government to ensure a republican form of government in the several States and, right now, such does not actually exist in Los Angeles city or county…the people in charge have abdicated their responsibility to ensure public order…this is a denial of the rights of the American citizens living there. Personally, I do believe Trump should declare martial law, depose all those in office who have failed in their duty and call new elections under our supervision to install a genuinely responsible government.

  9. Cluster's avatar Cluster June 9, 2025 / 3:04 pm

    Mexico is openly declaring war against the US, and in doing so, they inadvertently admits they are incapable of providing a decent living for their citizens. They are “good men and women” who Mexico have failed, so why don’t we just take over Mexico?

    “Mexicans living in the United States are good men and women, honest people who went to the United States to seek a better life for themselves and to support their families,” Sheinbaum said. “They are not criminals! They are good men and women!”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/mexicos-president-eggs-violent-insurrectionists-los-angeles-issues/

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 9, 2025 / 3:55 pm

      I don’t view the Mexican government as in any way legitimate – they are the people installed by the Cartels to be the public face of Mexico but they have no actual authority. Wasn’t always this way – but, in the end, the Cartels proved to be far more ruthless than the Mexican Ruling Class.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 9, 2025 / 6:04 pm

      I have known and really cared for many illegals over the years, and deeply empathize with their plight. Our system carries some of the blame as it is so hard to correct this situation—the legalization process is Byzantine, expensive and lengthy. The people I have known have been grateful to be here and have been very hard workers and honest, other than the single element of breaking our immigration laws. And to be fair, many years ago these laws were pretty flimsy and no one seemed to care, especially for people whose Mexican homes were close to the border, where they moved back and forth freely.

      Some of them have gone through the process and become legal, but have family members here who have not. It is a terrible situation for them all.

      That is why I always supported a system in which a time frame is established, say at least five years before my proposed law would go into effect, and anyone here before that time could register (within 60-90 days) and get a TEMPORARY visa allowing him or her to remain here legally until properly vetted. When approved (had worked, not been arrested, etc.) the person would get a long-term residence card, say for 15 years. At the end of this period the person would have to apply for permanent residency or leave the country. No citizenship, ever.

      Anyone here without papers who has not registered is automatically deported, no questions asked.

      I think this would respect those who did come here to contribute to the country as well as better their own lives, if they have lived here productively and respectfully. After all, we have some responsibility for the fact they have made long-term homes here, because of the way we have screwed up the system.

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