Open Thread

Saw a video of a fairly large crowd of people in New York City celebrating 10/7. As I said in the previous thread: we’re going to have to decide what we do with evil people.

We are not, at this juncture of history, actually trying to preserve a certain form of government: we’re trying to save our lives. And we will be forced – and I believe very soon – to act like people do when their lives are at stake. This is beyond a concern of free speech…this is people telling us they are delighted when we’re killed (and 10/7 isn’t just about killing Jews – it is about killing the whole concept of civilized behavior). I can let them keep on…or I can find a way to stop them.

I said for a long while now that I thought we had a peaceful way out – that the window for a political settlement is still open. As of this moment in time, I want that window closed. I’ll let them start the fight…but I’ll do everything I can, when they do, to ensure we finish it. This time around, no more Grant-like “let ’em up easy”.

The Senate confirmed 107 Trump nominees all at once – and for those who wanted Trump to recess appoint these people: well, you were wrong. Trump knew what he was doing and all of these are now in place until 1/20/2029 (unless Vance keeps them on). In fact, this time around, Trump very much seems to know what he’s doing all the time…he’s running rings around the Democrats and, to be fair, around some of his supporters as well. As I noted early on in the Trump Era: the man plans. You might not like his plan, but he’s always got one…he does nothing actually off the cuff. Everything is calculated and my goodness but has he learned how to do politics…he’s got Democrats going into 2026 defending medical care for illegals and riots in the streets.

Some people are mad that Trump hasn’t fired hundreds of thousands of federal workers here in the second week of the shutdown. I, too, want those firings…but at this point, I’m just going to let Trump cook…perhaps he was waiting for these 107 to make sure some Deep State bureaucrat doesn’t step in as Acting this or that? We’ll find out.

24 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook October 8, 2025 / 8:26 am

    This is beyond a concern of free speech…this is people telling us they are delighted when we’re killed (and 10/7 isn’t just about killing Jews – it is about killing the whole concept of civilized behavior). I can let them keep on…or I can find a way to stop them.

    I still think the best way to stop them is to cut off their money and use sprays with permanent dye and skunk juice on violent protestors. We don’t seem to be willing to do either of those things, although the cutting off of the money may be in the works. Trump seems to be biding his time, and, at this point, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan October 8, 2025 / 12:00 pm

      The cutoff of money has helped a lot – but it looks like the Hamas-niks have retained some major portion of funding; likely Arab oil money but it could also be a combination of Cartel and Chinese money (both the Cartels and the Chinese have a vested interest in sowing chaos in the USA).

      All I can say is I’m getting very much in a Franco mood.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 8, 2025 / 12:02 pm

      As you know, I have been arguing for various ways to just make rioting more unpleasant and less rewarding, and that includes the skunk juice and the indelible dye. They are nonlethal but create a lot of problems for the rioters. Take the skunk juice—it won’t wash off and is so potent it immediately induces violent vomiting. Even when it starts to wear off a little no one wants to be around it, so that means throwing away anything worn to the riot and having a hard time getting back into the dorm or Mom’s basement or public transportation. Riot gear is expensive, whether it is black bloc military style gear or REI hoody campus wear. Even if some kind of respirator would protect from inhaling the stuff, the clothes still stink, still have to be worn and then removed and handled, and a respirator sophisticated enough to filter out these fumes would still be covered with the stuff and might have to be discarded as well.

      This doesn’t even address the total loss of the cool factor associated with projectile vomiting. Photos of some hotshot campus radical barfing his guts out and then lying in a pool of his own spew would certainly change the image of the strutting recreational rioter.

      Indelible dye would mostly be a cost thing, but also an identifier, like the bank bag dyes used to mark bank robbers. This would also make it harder to take public transportation to get away or get to the next riot gig. Mix the dye with some of that powder that glows in ultraviolet light and anyone who had been at the riot would be marked, visibly or under black light.

      The cutting-off money thing would be aided by these tactics. The funders would have to constantly replace clothes and equipment if it was permanently put out of commission by smell or ink.

      I’ve complained a lot about the failure/refusal to track the funders. One thing that has occurred to me is this: The professional rioters get to town and get handed keys to rental vehicles. One would assume they drive to the riot sites and park a few blocks away, as close as they can while planning to be able to get back in those vehicles to drive off once the riot gets rolling. I have thought it would be so easy to mark the roof of every car parked within a certain radius of the riot with that invisible light-reactive dye and then track vehicles that leave when the riot gets going. If the rioters were sprayed with the same powder via drone during the riot then people could be tracked from the air, using special cameras, to their vehicles and then the vehicles could be tracked back to the airports, train stations, wherever the vermin headed. Because they are marked with the invisible powder or the dye they are readily identifiable when they try to travel, they can be picked up when they drop off their cars or try to get on planes or trains or buses, and then their bosses have to bail them out—creating yet another money trail. It all comes down to “follow the money”. Who paid for the travel expenses? Who booked and paid for the rental cars? Who booked and paid for the lodging? Who paid for the meals? Who arranged and paid for the riot material to be delivered—IN ADVANCE—to the riot sites?

      §2101. Riots
      (a) Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent—

      (1) to incite a riot; or

      (2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or

      (3) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or

      (4) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot;

      and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph— 1

      Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

      (b) In any prosecution under this section, proof that a defendant engaged or attempted to engage in one or more of the overt acts described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) 2 and (1) has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce, or (2) has use of or used any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including but not limited to, mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, to communicate with or broadcast to any person or group of persons prior to such overt acts, such travel or use shall be admissible proof to establish that such defendant traveled in or used such facility of interstate or foreign commerce.”

      As for the funders: “Under RICO, a person who has committed “at least two acts of racketeering activity” drawn from a list of 35 crimes (27 federal crimes and eight state crimes) within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering if such acts are related in one of four specified ways to an enterprise”

      There are laws on the books, there are ways and means to deal with these people.

      I wonder if, possibly, all the pieces are being lined up and ready to put into play after the midterms, to avoid cluttering up and possibly affecting that election. But short of employing the legal remedies of prosecution of the people behind the riots, making rioting less fun would be a very good idea, and like you I have no idea why it has not been done.

  2. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 8, 2025 / 8:55 am

    I honestly don’t see any option other than fighting our way out of this. America now has two generations of highly emotional, poorly educated, and weaponized people, both foreign and domestic, that have told us directly and repeatedly, that we are Nazi’s, fascists, and a threat. Amazon’s posted a quote the other day that resonates, and I paraphrase … “there are no men more violent than those men who just wanted to be left alone” … that’s where the conservative movement is at the moment. We are in a battle posture and if they keep pushing, they will rue the day they were born. That I promise.

    When they tell you who they are … Believe them. They have told us that they want us dead. To that I say … you first. Be BOLD in your Faith and be LOUD with your Patriotism. Let them know we are here, and we will never backdown. Even if they are friends or family … get in their face and argue.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 8, 2025 / 5:56 pm

      I agree that we have to fight. I have only disagreed on the form the fight might take, the weapons that might be used. Certainly there is a time and place for kinetic weapons, but I think that time and place are far down the line. So far, at least, other than a few examples, the battle is one of ideas and words.

      The Left has backed itself into a corner, with its wild rhetoric about Trump “destroying democracy” (or the nation, or something.) The problem for them is that they would be faced with having to answer, if asked directly. What rights are being destroyed under Trump? Specific rights, not vague jibber-jabber. Name a right that has been destroyed, or even dented or bruised, under Trump. “Well, he did _____!” So is that a “right”?

      We can start to erode their narrative by pushing back, hard, on it. And we don’t need them in the room to do it. Talk shows can do it, articles can do it, podcasts can do it. Online comments sections can do it, blogs can do it.

      Just start quoting some overheated hysteric about Trump violating rights, and start in with comments on how this is always a vague reference without a single example. When they rise to the bait (and they have to, because they can’t leave this unanswered) then the challenge is “what right? Why is that a right?” And this is where the ignorance will start to bubble up, like farts in a bathtub.

      “Jimmy Kimmel was SILENCED! What about the right to free speech? Trump SILENCED him!” There is no right to a job if you have offended the boss, or done something stupid the company thinks might harm it. Trump did nothing. And Kimmel was not silenced—he was fired. He still had a voice, on television shows, on the radio, online. In other words, once they are forced to be specific, they are lost because facts and reality are stronger.

  3. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 8, 2025 / 11:37 am

    I think it also needs to be said that this is not purely a political battle we are in …. This is also a racial war. White people and western civilization are under attack here and in Europe. An unrelenting stream of dependent black and brown communists have invaded each continent over the last couple of decades, and it was all encouraged and funded by global powers … and they hate white people. Make no mistake about that. What’s laughable are the white American Democrats aiding and abetting their own demise in the name of compassion. Suicidal Empathy.

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan October 8, 2025 / 11:58 am

      I won’t go that route – because I think it incorrect. I see what you’re saying, but we have allies everywhere…even in the Muslim world.

      It is very much civilized vs uncivilized…with the barbarians including Mayflower descendants.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 8, 2025 / 1:41 pm

        This is simply an observation, but facts on the ground do support it. Why don’t we see massive amounts of migration to Mexico? To Tunisia? To Egypt? To Brazil? The migrants don’t go there and are not directed towards those countries. Instead, they pack their suitcases and cell phones and migrate to white countries. And we have allies, yes, but I have yet to see any of them come to our defense. Where are our allies when we help secure their borders but they do nothing in return? How many of our allies spoke out against the abuses towards Trump?

        Weak allies are not allies.

        They are just supporters from the cheap seats.

  4. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 8, 2025 / 6:03 pm

    A great article on the power of words to make killing seem acceptable. As the author says; Abstraction kills empathy. It is far easier to hate a type, particularly a demonized type, than a face.

    Narrative Collapse: For generations, Americans shared at least a rough moral story, a sense of belonging to something larger than the self. That story has fractured. When people no longer believe they are part of a moral order, conscience loses its anchor. Ideology rushes in to fill the vacuum, and killing becomes a way to “save” the world rather than destroy it.

    Social Atomization: We are the loneliest society in human history. Family, church, and civic life once taught empathy by forcing people to live face-to-face. Now the isolated seek belonging online, where outrage is community and validation comes in clicks. An assassin rarely has real neighbors, only followers.

    Ideological Moral Licensing: Every utopian movement grants itself moral permission to do harm “for the greater good.” When politics becomes religion, murder can masquerade as virtue. The killer does not see himself as evil; he sees himself as a savior acting in a world that refuses to listen.

    Cultural Nihilism: The desire for fame has replaced the desire for meaning. When a culture denies eternity, notoriety becomes the only immortality left. Each new assassin livestreaming his crime is proof that even infamy feels better than invisibility.

    The Breakdown of Formation: We medicate pain but rarely cultivate virtue. Moral formation, the slow shaping of character through family, faith, and responsibility, has withered. In its place stand therapy, grievance, and self-esteem. Without formation, conscience becomes an untrained muscle: it twitches, but it cannot resist.

    Together, these forces form a deadly sequence:

    • Desensitization trains the reflex.
    • Rhetoric provides the target.
    • Atomization removes accountability.
    • Ideology supplies moral license.
    • Nihilism fills the void with spectacle.

    When all of those converge, the ancient brake that once stopped the soldier’s hand no longer functions—and the unthinkable becomes easy.

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan October 9, 2025 / 11:41 am

      It is how they staffed Gulag, the SS and Pol Pot’s army…as I’ve pointed out before, God gave us ten simple rules – Jesus boiled them down to two…but the Left makes up a whole host of rules all designed to get people to ignore the simple rules…and then kill.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 9, 2025 / 1:09 pm

        I think what I am seeing most is Ideology supplies moral license. This goes back to my observation that the Left appeals to people who want to be good (or at least seen as good) by promising that it offers a shortcut to the Higher Moral Ground.

        Once that is accepted, it is a gradual but inevitable transition to the conviction that anything done in the name of the Left is, by definition, “good”, conveying the illusion of virtue onto the most hateful, least virtuous behaviors and attitudes and beliefs. For some, whose boundaries are already weak, this can move from tolerance to hate speech, insults and personal attacks to outright murder—in the name of the collective, of course, in the name of the virtue associated with it.

        A few days ago I followed a thread on Charlie Kirk to videos of him on college campuses, and even I was stunned at the sheer volume and intensity of the vitriol hurled against him. Students were telling him, to his face, that he was a lying piece of shit, that he was a racist pig, and so on. One smug little shit was so impressed by his statement that Kirk just “vomited” rhetoric that his response to every effort of Kirk to speak was miming vomiting.

        I don’t think these people were thinking of themselves and what they were doing and saying as mean or hostile—they had the smugness, the zealot’s grin, that said they were absolutely convinced they were acting out of virtue. Because their allegiance to a tribe meant, to them, that anything done either in support of that tribe or against anyone named as its opposition was by definition good and pure and proof of moral superiority.

        They were proof that their ideology supplied moral license. We can turn away in disgust at the indecency of the people in those videos, as we do at the mewlings and attacks of (wannabe) blog trolls here, but when it escalates into physical violence and murder, as we are seeing around the country, it becomes more than distaste and calls for strong action. The problem is that the strong action, to be proactive, would have to be against the incitement of such violence, and trips over concerns of boundaries of free speech.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 9, 2025 / 1:23 pm

        Power always thinks… that it is doing God’s service when it is violating all his laws.

        John Adams

  5. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 9, 2025 / 1:17 pm
  6. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 10, 2025 / 10:16 am

    The Nobel Peace Prize …. Is a complete JOKE. Simply a circle jerk amongst elite leftists.

    • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook October 10, 2025 / 10:54 am

      They destroyed whatever credibility it may still have had when they gave it to Obama.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 10, 2025 / 11:39 am

        I know. Carter was a joke, but Obama was insane. They didn’t even pretend to be impressed by anything he had done, or allegedly done. It was based on what they thought he MIGHT do, based on his campaign promises.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 10, 2025 / 3:58 pm

      But the winner has class and responded:

      This recognition of the struggle of all Venezuelans is a boost to conclude our task: to conquer Freedom.

      We are on the threshold of victory and today, more than ever, we count on President Trump, the people of the United States, the peoples of Latin America, and the democratic nations of the world as our principal allies to achieve Freedom and democracy.

      I dedicate this prize to the suffering people of Venezuela and to President Trump for his decisive support of our cause!

  7. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 10, 2025 / 11:37 am

    I’ve become very interested in Omega4America.Substack.com. These are the quantum computing guys who can, in seconds, cross-reference dozens of data sources to identify fraudulent voter registrations. They can, and do, provide hard data on bogus registrations, like showing that several dozen people “live” at a vacant lot, or in a Walmart, or are registered to vote (and then vote) in multiple districts/states. It’s the kind of information that could go a long way toward establishing election integrity, yet there is strong pushback against using this information.

    “The U.S. Justice Department sued California Secretary of State Shirley Weber on Thursday for failing to hand over the state’s voter rolls, alleging she is unlawfully preventing federal authorities from ensuring state compliance with federal voting regulations and safeguarding federal elections against fraud.

    The Justice Department also sued Weber’s counterparts in Michigan, Minnesota, New York, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania, who have similarly declined its requests for their states’ voter rolls.

    Nevada canceled more than 162,000 voter registrations and inactivated almost 38,000 others in a post-general election voter roll cleanup, the Secretary of State’s office reported Monday. (I couldn’t help but notice that this only happened AFTER the election, but hey—-baby steps.)

    There is pretense from the Left to wanting to clean up registration rolls, but then they impose rules that severely limit the ability to do so.

    Chuck Muth, president of the conservative and libertarian advocacy group Citizen Outreach, said the inactive list did not show the full extent of what should be done to purge the rolls of fraudulent voters.

    He said he hoped the state would not define the “personal knowledge” needed to make challenges, as is proposed in the Secretary of State Office’s omnibus election bill, Assembly Bill 534.

    That means “firsthand knowledge through experience or observation of the facts upon each ground that the challenge is based,” according to the bill text. “The term does not include knowledge obtained from a third party, including, without limitation, information obtained from the review of data in a database or other compilation of information.”

    Muth’s argues the definition could cut challengers out of the challenging process because of their identification process, which relies on third-party information like databases and the new tenants of a voter’s old address.

    Demanding “first-hand information” that someone does not live at an address but refusing to admit database information (such as change of address requests or proof of residence at another address) or even the testimony of people currently living at the voter’s old address make it extremely difficult to support removal, and extremely easy to challenge a removal.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 10, 2025 / 11:53 am

      This is a lead-in to the story today of the purchase of Dominion election machines.

      But two days ago, a newly formed company named Liberty Vote suddenly and unexpectedly announced it had bought electronic voting manufacturer Dominion and would move the headquarters from Canada to St. Louis. Liberty’s press release promised to restore trust to voting systems, reintroduce “hand-marked paper ballots,” and adjust company policies to follow Trump’s executive order on voting procedures.

      In other words, there is the understanding that election integrity rests on addressing the different aspects of election fraud. One prong of this process is to address the problem of ineligible people being allowed to vote, which is the target of groups like Omega4America, Citizen Outreach and others. That is focused on cleaning up voter registration rolls, eliminating not just non-citizens (which is what the fraudsters are trying to establish as the real goal) but the hundreds of thousands of registrations of people who may not even exist, or who are at the very least registered at non-existent residence addresses, for the purpose of generating mail-ballots in their names. The end result of this, if successful, would be to end the practice of dumping dozens or hundreds of perfectly usable ballots at vacant lots, in lobbies of apartment buildings where hundreds of names are listed as occupants of a single studio apartment, or at the doors of abandoned warehouses. It will sharply cut into the practice of having huge containers of “undeliverable” yet usable ballots sitting around in post offices where they can be picked up and used.

      And now it looks like the voting machine angle is also going to be addressed, meaning that any ballot will be counted only once, with auditable paper trail for all cast votes.

      Now if we can just restrict districting and allotment of Congressional representation to the population of actual citizens we might be starting to have a nation governed by the people and for the people, when “the people” is defined as American citizens eligible to vote.

      What a concept!

  8. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook October 10, 2025 / 3:54 pm

  9. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 11, 2025 / 11:19 am

    An interesting clip showing what kind of zero Virginia Dems are probably going to elect.

  10. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 11, 2025 / 11:57 am

    Yet another disappointing Pope, pandering to the globalist Left instead of defending Christianity. Maybe he should stop lecturing and virtue signaling about Gaza, echoing Islamic propaganda, and start focusing on the plight of Christians in Africa. This is a strong and timely piece.

    There is more than one war on the horizon. While the R/L war in the United States is still threatening to develop into something more kinetic, the real war is that of Islam vs humanity and it’s time to take a side.

  11. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 11, 2025 / 1:30 pm

    We’ve all been exposed to the annoying mewling of the Loony Left about how Trump LOST EVERY SINGLE COURT CASE filed regarding election fraud—said whining based, as usual, on sheer ignorance magnified by mindless acceptance of Agenda Media propaganda.

    As usual, Jeff Childers puts this in perspective, in a great article about the possibility/even likelihood of a SCOTUS ruling making it easier and fairer to challenge election tampering.

    …the current rule for establishing standing to dispute an election is extremely demanding. Candidates (not voters) must show that a particular problem is so widespread and so severe that it materially affected the election outcome— under a brutal ten-day deadline to assemble evidence.

    Consider a hypothetical. In August, with months to go before the November election, Penciltucky’s local supervisor Karen Looney makes a critical rule change and announces voters can send in their votes telepathically. The Republican candidate Abe Justice sues— but the judge dismisses it, saying Abe can’t show that psychic voting would hurt his election. He must wait to see if he loses. Then, and only then, he’ll get ten days to figure out what happened, put his case together, assemble evidence, and file suit.

    These rules cram candidates into an impossibly tiny box. If they file too soon, they get thrown out. If they file too late, they get thrown out. They get one brief window of ten days to mount an entire case— and that’s it. That is one reason why the 2020 election litigation was such a disaster: the rules gave liberal judges a million ways to quickly broom away the politically toxic cases

    Even Kagan seems sympathetic to the concept of being able to let candidates “bring their cases well before an election, such as at the time a local election supervisor changes a rule or a state passes a new law.”

    If, as seems likely, the Supremes fundamentally change the rules of standing, it will open the courthouse doors for conservatives to immediately tackle laws facilitating fraud, like those related to mail-in ballots. The timing of a decision next year —still months before the 2026 midterms and two years before the next presidential cycle— is beyond fortuitous.

    The single change of not requiring candidates to wait for results before challenging election laws could fix nearly everything that went wrong with the 2020 elections. Stand by.

  12. Amazona's avatar Amazona October 11, 2025 / 1:47 pm

    Full disclosure: I am a big ivermectin fan. I knew it was effective at treating Covid, was grateful to a blog contributor for getting me some when it was basically outlawed here, took a few ML of the liquid form when Omicron symptoms hit and they disappeared, and have followed its rehabilitation as a safe and effective treatment for all sorts of things, enjoying the sudden surly silence of the former anti-ivermectin zealots. So I was interested in this, as a kind of postscript to an article about treating some brain cancers with intranasal ivermectin, which concluded: “If ivermectin’s cancer-fighting abilities bear out —and the studies and anecdotes keep mounting up— it will become the single most beneficial accidental discovery in human history.”

    This was followed by a thought from, I assume, Jeff Childers himself:

    Here’s a question to ponder: would ivermectin have broken out of the pharma wilderness absent its high-profile role during the pandemic as a cultural and political flashpoint? Without this extraordinary exposure, efforts to study ivermectin as a cancer agent would almost certainly have remained niche— buried in the literature amid hundreds of other “drug repurposing” efforts, lacking funding, conference time, or media coverage.

    Ivermectin may wind up being the greatest covid miracle of all.

    I would paraphrase this to ask: “would ivermectin have broken out of the pharma wilderness absent its high-profile role during the pandemic as a cultural and political flashpoint? In other words, in retrospect were the deaths of otherwise treatable Covid victims, caused by the wholly political machinations of the Left to try to deny President Trump any credit for suggesting a treatment as well as the even more important political need to have as many people as possible die to generate the panic needed to impose its tyranny, worth it in the long run if these deaths have led to the exploration of ivermectin as a cancer treatment?”

    Setting aside the tragedy of so many needless deaths and the damage done to our nation in so many ways due to the manipulations by the Left excused by its generated Covid Panic, is this a case of Unintended Consequences coming back to bite the Left in its donkey? Was their resistance to ivermectin a temporary thing, needed only to reduce the perception of Trump leadership while preventing control of Covid, meaning that now they don’t care if ivermectin becomes the new miracle drug? If that is the case, then the new information won’t bother them, as they are resistant to shame. But it should be archived as a lesson in the utter indifference of the Left to human suffering and death, when political considerations are in play.

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