Spanish Government: Catholic Church Must Apologise for Being Catholic

Just bizarre:

Madrid, Jan. 3, 2008 (CWNews.com) – Spanish government leaders have asked the country’s Catholic bishops to apologize for the massive pro-family rally held in Madrid on December 30, Vatican Radio reports.

Leaders of the Socialist governing party have charged that the Church intervened in partisan political affairs with the rally, which drew nearly 2 million participants. (The government is reporting that only 160,000 took part in the demonstration.) The government has asked the bishops’ conference for an apology.

Although 40 bishops took part in the pro-family event, and the hierarchy gave clear support to the event, the rally was organized primarily by lay Catholic activists. The organizers have consistently argued that the rally was not intended as a partisan political event, but as a public expression of support for the traditional family founded on Christian marriage.

This is what the secular left wants – the Church to be removed from the public square. They’ll kindly allow us to practise our faith, as long as we don’t disturb their worldview by demonstrating publically what we stand for. If we’ll just keep it off the streets, all will be well – until they arrest our priests and pastors for “hate speech” because they teach Christian morality in the pulpit.

35 thoughts on “Spanish Government: Catholic Church Must Apologise for Being Catholic

  1. js January 5, 2008 / 1:03 pm

    I think anyone who thinks the Church endorsed or participated in any plan to massacre thousands and thousands of people anywhere in the world is a nut case.

    So, why dont actually document Church involvement, instead of making inuendo’s to support a lie, when those inuendo’s are nothing more than misrepresentations of the truth (or, another lie to be blunt)?

    Well, get to it Obama_supporter, lets see if you actually can live up to the liberals honor, or if you are just another follower of gossip and rumormongoring politicians.

  2. Kahn January 5, 2008 / 1:54 pm

    js – he started that post by saying “I don’t know what occurred at this rally, but…” That sums it up.

    He might as well have said: “Well, I’m completely ignorant, but here is my opinion anyways.” Like most of the liberal posts.

  3. Tractatus January 5, 2008 / 2:10 pm

    You can have Catholicism without democracy, but you can’t have democracy without Catholicism

    Wow, this is so stupid, I’d like to see some elaboration.

  4. Rana Quijotesca January 5, 2008 / 2:19 pm

    Mark-

    How can’t you have Democracy without Catholicism? I’m sorry, but that claim is absolutely asinine…

  5. Eric T January 5, 2008 / 2:19 pm

    Neocon

    #12 is just straight, uncut, lib-crushing truth. I’m hoping to see someone attempt to justify how this double standard is always OK for the libs. When It really is PURE, Hardcore, Racism that the libs are pushing.

    What it boils down to is. the Libs are a bunch of racists.

  6. Eric T January 5, 2008 / 2:36 pm

    Neocon-

    How come these college kids with the peace sign on the VW microbus are not up in arms, and protesting about a racist statement like that. Or standing up to fight this religious discrimination that the Christians are facing daily.

  7. neocon January 5, 2008 / 4:33 pm

    Eric T

    It’s extraordinary isn’t it? Here’s another one that most people ignored by Randi Rhodes:

    >>Posted – 12/12/2007 7:26:10 PM | show profile
    RHODES (HOUR ONE, SEGMENT TWO): Anyone who underestimates the power of the Oprah is stupid, stupid. But she went totally Maya Angelou yesterday, without the scarfs and the hats, but totally Maya Angelou.

    She was blacker then Obama yesterday. Do you know what I mean? Let em tell you something. Everyone who watches Oprah, are the whitest people in the world. Yes even the black folk. Even the black men who watch Oprah are white women while they watch Oprah. We all know what we are talking about.<<

    The kids are simply regurgitating what they’re taught. They’re perpetuating the tensions of racism to keep people dependent on their policies. The systemic racism on the left needs to be exposed.

  8. Ricorun January 5, 2008 / 5:57 pm

    Over on the “Deinstitutionalizing Marriage” thread there is a lively discussion about verifying sources — a good thing, if you ask me. In that spirit, can anyone come up with any independent verification that the Spanish government did, in fact, ask for an apology — and if so, what exactly were they asking an apology for? For some clerics participating in a rally? That seems odd.

  9. Huck Fillary January 6, 2008 / 8:28 am

    What I notice after reading all the posts is that libretardTHC ducked further commentary, after her usual contrarian rhetoric.

    It’s extraordinary isn’t it? Here’s another one that most people ignored by Randi Rhodes:

    neocon, that’s because most people ignore Ranty Roadkill. She is on Air America, after all. The only show with less listeners/viewers is Keith Overbite’s Countdown to No Ratings…

  10. Obama_supporter January 6, 2008 / 11:08 am

    Mark,

    Once again you have posted with authority about a subject you clearly know very little about. I said that 100,000 – 200,000 died as a result of Franco’s actions in post civil war Spain, this is widely regarded by contemporary historians to be true. Franco used summary execution on huge scale during the ‘white terror’ years immediately after the civil war and continued it on a lesser scale right up to the 1960s. You post a figure of 30,000. Where did you find this? The lowest figure by any authoritive contemporary historian is 37,000, most others go MUCH higher than this. As a slight aside, it seems that you are always in a hurry to minimize the cost in civilian lives and misery of warfare that is instigated by right wing idealogues, why is this? It seems a particularly unChristian attitude.

    Also, why do you feel the need to defend Franco’s revolt? Is there something about the way he merged Church and State in his authoritarian regime that appeals to you? Perhaps you would really like to see such a state of affairs come to pass in ‘Christian America’? It’s just such a pity the Founding Fathers were so clear about their feelings in this regard, isn’t it?

    In regard to the executions of clergy in Spain. While attrocities occured on both sides to a great degree there is a certain amount of ‘original sin’ that has to be examined. The attrocities before the actual coup d’etat occured on both sides with many more, (including political assasinations of several leading socialist politicians) being carried out by the pro-monarchist right. Anti-clerical attrocities were generally limited to the burning of churches whose priests had preached against the government and in favor of the traditional landlord ruling class which Spain had suffered under for centuries. It is VERY important to note that these church burnings were carried out by locals as a symbol of their disgust with the clergy, not by government forces.

    The burning of churches was not justified but in the circumstances the clergy in those churches must take some responsibility for their militantly right-wing pro-monachrist authorititarian stances which they did not hesitate to preach from the pulpit. Where in the Bible did Jesus instruct his followers to preach the good news about the Landlord’s right to rack-rent his tennant? Many priests threatened to ex-communicate those in their flock who supported agrarian reform and other such policies. A terrible misuse of their ecclesiastical powers I’m sure you would agree Mark.

    You say in your post that it ‘takes two to tango’. Franco led a MILITARY coup d’etat against the legitimate elected Spanish government. It was NOT a popular uprising in any sense whatsoever.

    Also contrary to your post, the Church was extremely unpopular with the great majority of ordinary Spaniard’s at this time due to the Church’s unreserved support and alliance with Spain’s hated landlord class. How do you think a leftist government got elected in such a conservative country as Spain? The peasantry were being strangled and the Church chose to give moral and spiritual authority to the side of the stranglers.

    The Spanish Civil war is notoriously complex (monarchism, agrarian/industrial relations, and fear of communism among other things color the conflict) and perhaps it may be too big an issue to tackle for people who still think it was a heck of a good idea to invade Iraq.

    The points towards the end of your last post stating the Church had every right to side with Franco given that some of its members were being killed by the left fails to acknowledge that the Church placed itself in the crucible when it sided with an unjust landlord class and latterly with with the proponents of a brutal coup d’etal.

    The Church’s support for Franco is undoubtedly a pathetic lowpoint (and a frighteninly recent one) in its history.

    To get back to your original post at the top of the page, you failed to take any of this history of Church/State intermingling and conflict into account when you made your knee-jerk reaction to the current government’s criticisms of how the rallies were conducted. In a country where the Church once sided openly with a military coup d’etat that reduced Spain to the status of the poorest large country in western Europe, the governments concerns seem very legitimate.

  11. Tractatus January 6, 2008 / 8:11 pm

    What was the Church supposed to do? Embrace those who raped nuns

    Why not? It embraced priests who raped alter boys. (Now I’ll get called an “anti-Catholic bigot” merely for pointing out the truth. Watch….)

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