Boehner: “The Best We Could Get”

From NRO’s The Corner:

House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) told GOP members on a conference call Sunday evening that he had reached a deal with congressional leaders and the White House, but that it wouldn’t happen “unless we have membership on board.” It remains to be seen how many House Republicans will end up supporting the final package, but members on the call told National Review Online they thought it would ultimately pass with bipartisan support. “I’m not sure I’m going to support it but I think it will probably pass,” said freshman Rep. Dennis Ross (R., Fla.). Members described the tone of the call as overwhelmingly positive, with many praising Boehner’s efforts in the negotiations. Despite his concerns about the final deal, Ross said “leadership has done a very good job of getting it to this point,” and described a sense of relief among members, many of whom may not love the deal, but are nonetheless happy to be moving on to the next fight.

According to sources, Boehner said the deal was “the best that we could get.” In particular, he thanked the 87 freshmen members for their input, without which “we wouldn’t have gotten this far.” Ross concurred. “I think the freshman class has been very valuable to this process,” he said…

That last bit is really best translated as, “goodness, we didn’t fully realize until now that these TEA Party people are serious!”.  But, all in all, it is a good thing – this is the first time since the glory days of 1995 that a GOP House Speaker can count on a solid, conservative GOP caucus…one which won’t go all soft on him in return for campaign cash and other DC blandishments.  But it is not the best we could get – it is the best that the GOP could get using this strategy.

We need to think carefully not just about what we want, but how we want to get there.  We did not do a good enough job of forcing the Democrats to defend their disgusting Big Government liberalism – they were defensive, to be sure, but they were still defending the concept of using government money to be nice to people…we need tactics which will expose the fact that they really want to use government to reward liberal cronies.

A relentless drumbeat of just who among the rich and powerful are getting government money and just who they donate to (and speak and write in favor of) should be used in the next battle.  Show the American people that “food for the starving” really works out to “Cadillac for Nancy Pelosi’s crony-capitalist”.  These people on the left have been looting the Treasury for decades.  Sweat heart deals for government contracts, special tax and regulatory breaks:  things like that and the pols get, in return, campaign cash, investment tips and well paid corporate sinecures once out of office.  Show this to the American people…force the liberals away from defending charity and in to defending their greed for wealth and power.

We also need to win the class war – and my idea of a “wealth tax” is the best way to end that battle once and for all.  Democrats are endlessly harping on how we GOPers want to steal food out of granny’s mouth so we can give tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires.  Do them one better – propose a tax which will won’t hit anyone except a millionaire or billionaire and watch the Democrats try to stop it…force them to reveal that their “tax the rich” rhetoric is really “tax the middle class, leave our rich donors alone”.

Still and all a good effort.  Big Government liberalism is firmly on the defensive – and Obama and his Democrats will have to defend their worthless, wasteful, immoral and un-American welfare State all through 2012.  We have them on the run – now, let’s push them over the edge, and take back our country.

40 thoughts on “Boehner: “The Best We Could Get”

  1. Green Mountain Boy August 1, 2011 / 8:40 am

    Mr. Negativity here is just not convinced of this, “We have them on the run –”. How? What did the rethugs do to convice you of this. Stand thier ground? No. Get any real reductions in spending? No. Stop the ability of government to borrow more money? No. Raise the debt limit? Why YES.
    Please, a few more “victories” like this and there won’t be a need for the republican party.
    An opposition party that won’t oppose. Anything.

    • Mark Noonan August 1, 2011 / 9:22 pm

      GMB,

      Politics is the art of the possible – Remember what Obama wanted, a “clean” debt ceiling increase, with his fallback position being a debt ceiling increase with tax hikes.

      We can’t undo 2008 until 2012, and so we have to deal with this…but Obama’s popularity is beat to a pulp and we did set the terms of the debate…spending must be cut. It is a victory…and a rather large one, at that.

  2. thomasg0102 August 1, 2011 / 9:37 am

    This is a good deal for the nation if you are a Democrat and traditional Republican. If you’re a die hard teaparty specialist, then you’re in trouble.

    You didn’t get anything you asked for and ended up raising the ceiling anyway.

    How much you want to bet that those “future” cuts won’t really happen and that future congresses will just cave?

    Good day for the Democrats and living constitution folks.

    Cheers Mr. President!

    • Green Mountain Boy August 1, 2011 / 9:50 am

      Come on folks tell him he’s wrong!! Looks like Sir Golfasalot and Lady Vacation made out like bandits.
      Yeah but things will change in 2012!!! Just you wait and see. We’ll show them…or the next time…or the time after that…or the time after at.

      New rethug party slogan…We ‘re just like the french, always ready to surrendur!!! O please tell me I’m wrong. Please.

      • bardolf August 1, 2011 / 10:03 am

        GMB

        As Neo told me the other day. If you don’t like this deal you should buy shares in the stock market. I’m really looking forward to my retirement fund having a great day.

        And there are a trillion dollars 1,000,000,000,000 in cuts so that’s not so bad. Oh wait that’s over 10 years.

      • thomasg0102 August 1, 2011 / 10:54 am

        dolf,

        most of the cuts won’t happen. The GOP will find reasons to not cut, or cut less, or delay. this game the Boehner is playing is just a play on the Tea Party. he wants them to be in congress for a while and get “used” to the system in DC. Then they will fall in line after a few years.

        But for us who are invested in 401k and IRA’s, it’s a good time.

  3. js August 1, 2011 / 11:13 am

    the biggest increase in the borrowing cap in history…a trifle 1 Tn in spending reductions in 8 years…and most of that is after the 2012 elections…

    and thats a good thing? get real…we will find that this 1 Tn $$ cut is as much an illusion as the Tn $$ cut last march…boehner is not a negotiator…he should have hired Trumph or Cain as a consultant to help him…because he sold the nation down the river with this bogus deal

    • js August 1, 2011 / 11:18 am

      In Federalist No. 33, Hamilton
      says:

      “If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed [the Constitution], and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.”

  4. Cluster August 1, 2011 / 11:16 am

    Wasn’t it just a few short months ago that Obama submitted a budget that contained 0 cuts, tax increases, and increased spending that was voted down 97-0 in the Senate? Yet now, he is signing a bill with spending cuts and no tax increases. I’d say the tea party moved the dial quite a bit.

  5. Cluster August 1, 2011 / 11:24 am

    But for us who are invested in 401k and IRA’s, it’s a good time. – thomas

    Thomas may be the most financially naive person on the planet. Do you really think those funds are secured thomas, when the government continues unbridled spending?

    • thomasg0102 August 1, 2011 / 11:36 am

      cluster,

      the only funds that are secured are certificate of deposits, and that’s up to 250k.

      but, what you don’t understand is that we have the ONLY reserve currency in the world. We can borrow right now for 10 year bonds at 3% and even lower rates for less years.

      This myth that spending is damaging our economy is purely fear mongering by the consverative thugs in Congress. Government revenues have dropped to their lowest levels in about 50 years. We need to get the economy moving again, which will solve the debt issue. We don’t have to cut to get the economy improving.

      The average small business doesn’t care how much federal debt the nation has before it makes a hiring or firing decision.

      And as far as my finance knowledge goes…I am willing to bet its about 100 times yours sport. But nice try.

      • js August 1, 2011 / 12:45 pm

        borrow…strange…you dont get financial security by borrowing…it just doesnt happen…

    • Retired Spook August 1, 2011 / 12:26 pm

      Cluster,

      There was a lot of hype over the weekend that the market was going to love this deal. Asia markets were up, but, after an initial surge in the DJIA this morning, it’s now off 275 point from its high around 10AM. This is far from settled.

  6. ragingbull August 1, 2011 / 11:38 am

    dedication time:

    this goes out to boehner and the republicans

  7. Amazona August 1, 2011 / 11:41 am

    I think the Dems will wait for the dust to settle, count on their voters to exhibit their historical inability to remember events from one year to another, and try to raise taxes in 2012. Obama will run on a promise to “tax the rich” and Biden will remind us all that he told us they would “be back in 2012” with another effort to raise taxes.

    And business will still languish, as even poor dumb Velma admitted that business needs predictability to be able to expand and grow. True, she was bleating about the supposed unpredictability created by the fake default crisis, but as they say, even a blind pig finds an acorn sometimes. It will take a GOP victory in the next election to stabilize the tax situation and create a business-friendly environment.

    This is merely a step. It has people thinking about the utter foolishness of constantly going deeper and deeper into debt, it has opened up debate on how best to deal with the problem, it has illustrated the utter panic on the Left at the very thought of being asked to openly vote on a balanced budget amendment, it has exposed the strident Dem insistence on being able to spend as much as they want without regard to where the money will come from, it has given us yet more examples of Obama’s willingness to look the American people in the eye and lie, lie, lie—-it’s a process.

    Sure, I would like more. But I am a realist and know that when you are as far behind as conservatives are, regarding the successes of the radical Left in shredding the Constitution and taking the country closer and closer to the cliff, you have to make corrections a little at a time. I’m disappointed, but not discouraged.

    Even the latest thomas admits that the Dem strategy depends on ignoring the Constitution, using the weasel words of simply defining it as a “living constitution”. The Dems are on the run, as shown by their having to acknowledge that the only way they can get what they want is to redefine our rule of law.

    • bardolf August 1, 2011 / 12:08 pm

      I think the RINOS will wait for the dust to settle, count on their voters to exhibit their historical inability to remember events from one year to another and slowly move the TEA Party freshmen into the fold.

      This focus on piling up burdens on future generations can be dissipated with any old cheap ploy. Maybe another war will get people to focus on the truly important reasons we can’t cut the military budget. Maybe a panic about bird flu will convince people not to touch medicare. Even a natural disaster would kill most of the concern for deficits. This is not the first time that fiscal conservatives have been beaten down and it will not be the last.

      I still don’t have as pessimistic a view of American risk taking as Goppers. I can’t see the current crop of college grads now saying “I don’t have a job, I have a business degree, I am young enough that if a few business adventures fail I can recover, but I think I’ll give up until 2016 when a GOP president is elected.”

      • neocon1 August 1, 2011 / 12:15 pm

        baldork

        bankruptcy is bankruptcy is bankruptcy….we are verrrrry soon going to be flat line bankrupt.
        If the US govt were a business the whole congress and the POtuS would all be in prison.

      • Amazona August 1, 2011 / 1:00 pm

        I think the RINOS will wait for the dust to settle, count on their voters to exhibit their historical inability to remember events from one year to another and slowly move the TEA Party freshmen into the fold.”m

        Is this supposed to be sarcastic? Humorous in any way? Incisive insight? ????

        Because it’s stupid and bass-ackwards

        The RINOS will “… move the TEA Party freshmen..” into WHAT “fold”? Make them RINOS? THAT fold?

        What about caving in will ensure the ongoing existence of these RINOS? What about the TEA Party philosophy is so complicated for you that you don’t get that it is the TEA Party that will fight to defeat the RINOS and replace them with conservatives? Is it really so hard to understand?

        What forgetfulness will allow RINOS to stay in office and TEA Partiers to become corrupted and part of their “fold”?

        Or do you simply assume that all political philosophy is as superficial and free-form as yours?

        Was there even the slightest effort to write something that made any sense? Or was this just another dolf misstep, just another feeble dolf effort at humor which will then be defended as being incomprehensible only to the “uninitiated”?

      • Green Mountain Boy August 1, 2011 / 2:06 pm

        Funny thing here. I am a “rigid” conservative. I am conservative down to my very bones. I had no problem understanding the point Bardolf made.
        Maybe we need more “rigid” conservatives instead of republicans.

        P.S. Dear Mr.West, the TEA Party made you, we can unmake you too, backstabber.

      • bardolf August 1, 2011 / 7:03 pm

        Amy

        For someone commenting on a political blog your ignorance of POLITICS is breathtaking. You tag yourself a realist but are the least realistic person around. You live in a Platonic world of forms where data are forbidden in favor of looking into the soul for the truth reinforced by a filtered history to match talking points.

        You actually think a ”Tea Party” congressman who votes to give Obama another trillion or two is going to get a MORE conservative challenger. Reality begs to differ. In reality after 4-6 years in congress he’ll be a huge porker like everyone else. It’s the ENVIRONMENT and the way campaign contributions work to stop any spending cuts. You get few chances to hold the line and it didn’t happen. YOUR next CLUE about reality will be next years budget/deficit debacle and the 2012 election.

        It’s sad, but the debt ceiling debacle will be portrayed by the media as the Tea Party holding the country hostage. Clearly Obama isn’t going to sell out his electorate without similar sacrifices by the GOP politicians in the form of tax increases. Without some tax increases along with deep cuts in the DOD he will just go to the voters in 2012 and let them decide who’s to blame. That’s pretty risky for the GOP as well as the Dems.

        WASHINGTON (AP) — The first phase of a deal to raise the government’s borrowing limit would pose little threat to the economy in the short term because almost none of the spending cuts would occur before 2014. Discretionary spending, which excludes Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, would be cut by $21 billion in 2012 and $42 billion in 2013, according to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office. That’s a small fraction of the nation’s $14 trillion economy.

    • neocon1 August 1, 2011 / 12:12 pm

      “best deal we could get”

      WHAT did they buy property in Fla??

      • neocon1 August 1, 2011 / 12:12 pm

        GMB

        Im with ya…….

    • Retired Spook August 1, 2011 / 2:32 pm

      P.S. Dear Mr.West, the TEA Party made you, we can unmake you too, backstabber.

      GMB, our Tea Party-backed Congressman voted for it too, but I’m willing to cut the newbies a little slack. They’ll find out in short order that they can count on the Dems for two absolutes: to use smoke and mirrors data (Reid bill), and never, I repeat, NEVER live up to promises to cut spending. Once they realize that the majority of Democrats are insincere, back-stabbing SOB’s, they’ll either come around or get a primary challenge next spring. Many of them got there last year by being a primary challenger themselves. Believe me; they understand how it works. It’s the leadership that doesn’t really get it yet — but they will. That’s the nice thing about the House of Representatives; they’re held accountable every 2 years. The Founders who came up with that formula were smart guys.

      • Green Mountain Boy August 1, 2011 / 2:54 pm

        I must be too rigid then. They were sent to congress to put an end to business as usual not to go along with it.

        Think about it. This bill allows bams to barrow 2.4 trillion dollars on top of what is owed now. Any new spending originates where? Ha you know as well as I do where. Think the repubs will put the breaks on it?

        I am not sorry at all on my growing anger with the repubs. They have shown absolutely no spine at all since the new congress was seated.

        Abouts as useless as teats on a boarhog.

      • js August 1, 2011 / 3:58 pm

        shoot…you figured it out…and you didnt get elected…what gives…you think just because they are newly elected…that they should be naive…

        compromise for the sake of compromise is nothing but dealing with the devil…these boyz betrayed us…didnt take long eh…

  8. doug August 1, 2011 / 12:32 pm

    Another $trillion of investors money will now be taken out of the global economy so the US government can spend it as they see fit. Man, it just gets harder and harder for our businesses to get the money we need to grow.

    • neocon1 August 1, 2011 / 12:41 pm

      doug

      that IS the plan
      Cloward–Piven strategy

  9. Cluster August 1, 2011 / 1:11 pm

    This myth that spending is damaging our economy is purely fear mongering by the consverative thugs in Congress. – thomas

    Because most Americans know that increasing debt is the last thing we should be doing. After all, I repeat, the Baby Boomers are about to retire. Under the circumstan­ces, any credible economist would tell you we should be reducing debt, not increasing it. Democrats won’t be making argument to support this legalizati­on, which will weaken our country. – Democrat Senator Harry Reid 2006

    • Thomasg0102 August 1, 2011 / 1:58 pm

      cluster,

      exactly! it’s fear mongering by whichever party that does not occupy the white house.

      if you can’t see the political games, then I guess there is nothing more I can say.

      • Cluster August 1, 2011 / 2:41 pm

        Thomas,

        It’s not fear mongering, but thank you for acknowledging that democrats play that game too. Harry Reid was right back 2006, and I don’t know planet you live on, but debt is debt, and interest can be a killer, and this is true whether you are a country or an individual. It is true that America can carry a certain of amount of debt, but we have surpassed that level of debt, and have now reached a financial level of debt that actually puts our country at risk. The deal yesterday did not make any cuts, it simply slowed the rate of growth, so we still have a big problem with our federal government

  10. Retired Spook August 1, 2011 / 2:36 pm

    BTW, Pelosi is already on record as saying there is a good chance that the House Democrat Caucus will be united 100% against the bill. Add 25 Tea Party Republicans, and it goes down in flames. How ironic would that be?

    • neocon1 August 1, 2011 / 6:29 pm

      spook

      it would be schweeeeeet

    • thomasg0102 August 1, 2011 / 6:41 pm

      nice try, but no cigar.

      Pelosi just said that she will vote for it and so will Hoyer. This bill will get most democrats and about 140 republicans. More than enough to pass it.

      The terrorists in the house didn’t get their way. We shouldn’t even negotiate with terrorist. We were being nice this time because they haven’t been broken into the DC way of life yet. That will soon come.

      • doug August 1, 2011 / 6:56 pm

        I guess those terrorists need to implement a more terrorizing policy then. I thought when the terrorists were on the national media the last few weeks telling us the world’s economy was going to end if we don’t increase the debt ceiling, that all our personal wealth would disappear if we don’t let the govt. borrow more money, that maybe the terrorists put enough fear into the people and their representatives that they would have to raise the debt ceiling.

        Maybe next time those terrorists will try harder to scare us so when they raise the debt ceiling they will do it without spending cuts.

        We are talking about the same terrorists? The ones that actually terrorized the American public the last few weeks to get their debt ceiling increase. Or are you talking about the Tea party folks who tried calming the American people down by telling them we will be just fine, don’t listen to those who want to scare you.

        Thomas,

        Terrorists are bad guys who really try to terrorize by action or words. Those who don’t try to terrorize by action or words, generally are not terrorists. We know who scared the public into increasing the debt ceiling, we know who the real American terrorists are.

      • neocon1 August 1, 2011 / 7:17 pm

        “we know who the real American terrorists are.”

        and in W’s word,s they will soon hear from all of us.

  11. dennis August 1, 2011 / 7:28 pm

    Amazona: “I think the Dems will wait for the dust to settle, count on their voters to exhibit their historical inability to remember events from one year to another.”

    If remembering is important, then let’s remember as Mark says on another thread that this recession actually began in 2007. Let’s especially remember it wasn’t Democrats who saddled us with this deficit to begin with. Let’s not forget the last Democratic president exited the White House with a balanced budget and no deficit. Here’s a helpful picture to understand that simple fact: http://tinyurl.com/4ys3fhy )

    Some claim it was because of the dotcom bubble, or this or that lucky break that we did so well during those years, but the fact is there were policies that helped bring about that result. It was achieved partly through controlled spending, and partly through responsible tax increases that fell almost exclusively on the very wealthiest. It’s also notable that those wealthiest continued to do very well, and no class of people suffered particularly during the Clinton years.

    And let’s recognize that it wasn’t just bad luck or 9/11, but ill-considered policies of the subsequent administration – namely a reckless plunge into unfunded war and nation-building, accompanied by huge tax cuts, that began piling on America’s debt at an unprecedented pace, bringing us to the place we are today. While Blogs for Bush was in full adulation mode, their maximum hero’s policies brought America about $5 trillion of new debt; by comparison Obama’s policies are projected to create less than $2 trillion of new debt through 2017.

    For a graphic and references for the above figures see http://tinyurl.com/3kpqay4 . Please note that along with his profligate spending, Bush’s tax cuts didn’t just lower the nation’s bottom line for a few years – they lowered it for the foreseeable future.

    Deregulation of the banking industry, the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley bill, which virtually assured the banking crisis would happen, were partly of Democratic responsibility as Clinton signed it into law, but that folly would not have happened without the GOP-dominated 106th Congress. Bush left office with his party’s policies carving away the ground beneath the middle class.

    As for today, the electorate will remember not one dime of the deficit-reduction solution is coming from the wealthiest or from corporations, it is all being sucked from the economic strata that can afford it the least. The electorate will remember it is Tea Party nut jobs who are sabotaging any kind of solution to the jobs crisis. Tea Party types are insisting on these draconian cuts now – now that we’re in a deep recession, now that a man named Obama is president, NOT when the bulk of the deficits were being run up – to assure that cash flow further dries up in the general economy and more jobs along with them. Of course there’s no dearth of cash out there – it’s just sitting unused in corporate bank accounts and hedge funds (where Bush’s tax cuts directed it) instead of circulating through the general economy where it could pump vitality back into the body.

    Regarding a balanced budget amendment, that would only hamstring the nation and limit its ability to deal with future emergencies, from actual necessary war to recovering from a natural disaster. If you want a balanced budget, just do it like Clinton did. But don’t straitjacket your posterity for the intemperance of yourselves and your predecessors.

    • Retired Spook August 2, 2011 / 12:32 am

      Nice, selective interpretation of the facts, Dennis. But then, we’ve come to expect nothing less from you. Seriously, you need to get some professional help.

  12. Green Mountain Boy August 1, 2011 / 7:29 pm

    Thomas has no idea what the hell he is talking about. How about Thomas, buck up join the Army and serve a couple tours of duty in Astan. Never happen. He’d never get that close to a real terrorist. Coward plain and simple.

    • thomasg0102 August 1, 2011 / 9:04 pm

      ooooh, now if you don’t serve in the military, you’re a coward. well then I guess Mark and your other conservative friends are cowards huh?

      no thanks, the military is for the poor and uneducated among us. the majority of the kids going to fight and die are poor white folk, the same people you want to hurt financially by cutting off programs for the poor.

      and just so you know, people can be just as patriotic not serving, as those who serve…but in your little mind that’s not possible.

      truth be told, you’re the biggest wimp of them all…ill let you figure out why.

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