Poll: “Generic Republican” Bests Obama by Five

From Rasmussen:

…The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows the generic Republican with 47% of the vote, while the president picks up 42% support. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and seven percent (7%) are undecided…

Not the poll numbers of a man who just won a political battle.  Obama is severely damaged political goods.

He can (and likely, will) bounce back from this – and 2012 will be the hardest fought campaign in American history (possibly in world history).  Obama and the liberalism he leads and personifies will not go out without a fight.  No matter how bad things get, they will go after us with all they’ve got.  They will ask and give no quarter.

But, still, anyone who is worried that a robust, conservative message can’t win against Obama is nuts…any coherent alternative can beat him.  Better if its conservative, but the main thing for the 2012 GOP candidate is to not be Obama, just as for the Democrats the prime thing was to not be Bush.

We can beat him and his Democrats – and not just beat them, but crush them down so low that for 20 years they won’t be able to trouble us.  We can win the power necessary to restore American liberty and greatness…all we have to do is fight it out and never quit.

162 thoughts on “Poll: “Generic Republican” Bests Obama by Five

  1. neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 9:14 am

    Pslam 109:8

  2. Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 9:56 am

    I vote that we just draft the “generic Republican” and forgo the time and expense of the primary process.

    • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 10:10 am

      Palin/Rubio it is.

  3. mitch August 3, 2011 / 10:14 am

    The trouble you speak of is YOU. Of course you don’t want to be interfered with. Makes perfect sense to me. The overwhelming problem you face, is that your brand of conservatism is not shared by most people. It is extreme and a blending of theocracy and authoritarian politics.

  4. Cluster August 3, 2011 / 10:21 am

    The overwhelming problem you face, is that your brand of conservatism is not shared by most people. It is extreme and a blending of theocracy and authoritarian politics. – Mitch

    Mitch, maybe you could give us an example of the type of theocratic policies conservatives support. And then, please let us know how Obamacare is NOT authoritarian. And I do remember many voters embracing conservatism in November 2010, maybe you can explain to us all again how that election was not an endorsement of “our brand” of conservatism.

    Have fun

      • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 11:57 am


        Thank you for the paranoid, drama queen website link. I know that must be red meat for the wingers like you, but here in the real world, we tend to deal with rational thought.

        Have a nice day

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 12:07 pm

        Yes. mitch, we know—you hate religion, you hate people of faith, you think you are so superior that there is no authority in the universe greater than you, and you see the bogey-men of “theocracy” behind every door.

        It’s utter nonsense, of course, nothing but rabidly hateful raving poorly disguised as political commentary.

        What is so funny is that you are completely incapable of defining what you call “…your brand of conservatism…” You don’t know what it is, but you do know you hate it.

        How too too intellectual of you.

        You have yet to define ANY true “brand of conservatism”. All you can do is pitch a fit about some vague invention designed to draw in people like you, like a fly trap baited with crap, so you can buzz around in impotent rage.

    • bardolf August 3, 2011 / 11:45 am

      Voters want jobs and since Obama hasn’t produced any they picked the GOP in 2010. Don’t fool yourself into believing there has been some sort of embracement of conservative ideology. The debt ceiling melodrama will cut into belief that the GOP cares about jobs and in 2012 Obama will win against non-generic republican.

      All the poll really shows is how unprincipled the voting public has become. Blank slate GOP in 2012 wins over known candidate Obama. In 2008 blank slate-Obama beat back known candidate McLame. in 2004 JFK worked hard to flip flop his way to a loss. In 2000 blank slate Bush beat known candidate Gore.

      So who is the blank slate candidate in the GOP? Christie could win but Romney will not. Bachmann-Obama matchup would be fun to watch.

      • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 12:00 pm

        Voters want jobs and since Obama hasn’t produced any they picked the GOP in 2010.

        Oh is that it? Just jobs. That’s strange considering that most of the new representatives ran on repealing Obamacare, and stopping Obama’s policies.


        What do you like best about the Obama presidency that will drive you to the polls in 2012 to anxiously vote for him again? Just curious.

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 12:01 pm

        Voters want jobs and are finally starting to realize that government doesn’t create jobs, it merely creates an environment in which jobs either flourish or languish.

        We have had an excellent comparison of the two within the past ten years, a great lesson in which political system makes job growth not only possible but probable.

        dolf’s typically silly comment merely points out, yet again, his total ignorance of economics and enterprise. HIS job was created by a government so obviously jobs are created by government.

        As for his comment that “.Don’t fool yourself into believing there has been some sort of embracement (sic) of conservative ideology.” that’s pretty funny, coming as it does from someone who can’t tell you what “conservative ideology” IS.

        Or what his is, for that matter.

        Anyone who is struggling to survive by borrowing to get by understands that this is no way to get ahead. Even those who don’t yet realize that the whole “default” thing was just another in a long line of manufactured crises realize that when most of your income goes to debt service you can’t possibly get ahead.

        dolf is correct, to a very limited extent. Some sheeple will vote for Obama because they have been sucked in by the propaganda of the Left, in its most recent debt-ceiling incarnation, and some will vote for him because they want the gravy train to not only continue on down the track but start carrying more goodies for them to mooch. But the reality of increasing the amount of money the country can borrow, while at the same time increasing the amount it will spend, is apparent and will be even more so as time goes on.

      • bardolf August 3, 2011 / 2:16 pm


        I didn’t vote for blank slate Obama in 2008 and won’t in 2012. He just needs to beat a particular Republican which won’t be hard given the current crop. Like Bush before him there is no need to actually have effective policies to beat the likes of JFK.


        My job was created because citizens want a public university system in place which is affordable. I turned down jobs from smaller private universities which were more selective of the student body. Both systems have tenure and the same amount of teaching.

        You’ll have to remind me again of how you created your job from scratch. How you obtained your capital to purchase the farm. How you started with nothing out of school and set up a thriving business. No hand me downs or government support. Snort

        As usual B4V likes generic Republican because he/she doesn’t stand for anything. Generic republican can be fiscally conservative without having to make real budget decisions. Generic republican can be for the constitution but not have to comment on things like supercongress or DHS or wiretaps or undeclared wars.

        The debts piled up by Bush and the theory of tax cuts and trickle down economics are in the memory of the average voter. The only thing the GOP can offer today is scare tactics like “death panels”. The demonization of Obamacare was pretty effective and Obama has learned. The GOP didn’t convince anyone of its integrity, it just made the democrats look bad. Watch for the same tactics from Obama in 2012.

      • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 2:53 pm

        B4V likes the generic? Hmmm maybe some but I have pretty much narrowed my choices down to Bachman or Palin if she runs.
        Herman Cain was right up there until he started apologizing for telling the truth about muzzies.

  5. mitch August 3, 2011 / 12:04 pm

    Congress voted on the health care reform act. As they did to raise the debt ceiling. Hardly an example of authoritarianism. As far as examples of theocratic policies endorsed by conservatives, look no further than their stance on gay marriage, abortion, birth control, sex education, planned parenthood and displaying the 10 commandments on public buildings. Lets move on to the subservience of women in marriage (i.e. Michele Bachman’s statements in regards to the balance within her marriage and the declaration of same by the Southern Baptist Leadership Council,) the repeated efforts by school boards to teach creationism (disguised as ID) as science and the success of the Texas School Board to excise Thomas Jefferson form history books because he was a deist.
    Need I go on? Church and state are separated for a reason.

    • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 12:25 pm

      Congress voted on the health care reform act. – Mitch

      Wrong. The Democrats voted on the health care act. Every single republican voted no, and moreover, were left out of the debate.

      As far as examples of theocratic policies endorsed by conservatives, look no further than their stance on gay marriage, abortion, birth control, sex education, planned parenthood and displaying the 10 commandments on public buildings. – Mitch

      So it’s theocratic to support civil unions for gays, but not marriage, as the voters of CA recently did? Is it theocratic to oppose killing unborn children? And ss it theocratic to display the universal laws that helped establish civility in this world, and this nation? You definitely have a distorted sense of reality son.

      And if church and state are separated, why do democrats constantly campaign in churches?

    • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 12:32 pm

      Wow–mitch actually said something correct, for a change. Yes, mitch, church and state ARE separated for a reason.

      The thing is, you have absolutely no clue as to what that reason is.

      Hell, you don’t even know what a “theocracy” is. Your panic at any philosophy or policy that may have an element of morality in it seems to indicate a skittishness about all things based on a concept of right and wrong.

      Gee, who knew that the only people who object to the butchery of babies are “theocrats”? Guess we need to get all those murder laws off the books, eh? Now that we know legislating against murder is really just an effort to create a theocracy and all.

      And so is not wanting your tax dollars to fund this slaughter of helpless babies.

      Nope, the fight to extend the right to life to all human beings is now identified as really just a sneaky effort to establish a “theocracy”.

      And those parents who want to be the source of their children’s information on sex? Closet theocrats, I guess. Does it matter if they are religious, themselves? Does it matter of faith plays absolutely no role in their belief that they, as parents, have the right to make these decisions? Not to the rabid theocrat-hunters, it doesn’t.

      You know those religious types who don’t believe in birth control? Well, they are only members of one church, the Catholic Church, and they only apply this church law to themselves, but now mitch informs us that even an internal rule which applies only to members of one specific church is really “THEOCRACY” just waiting to jump out and bite us. Does it matter that no effort has been made to make this internal religious belief a law applying to all? Of course not.

      And don’t let us fall into the trap of exposing our children to differing opinions on ANYTHING, much less the creation of the earth! Do not allow yourselves, even for a moment, to be sucked into the fallacy of thinking that schools are to teach our children to THINK, to analyze and evaluate information and actually THINK. No sirree, they are there to be TOLD what they think. (Else how can they grow to become good little Lefty foot soldiers?) Why confuse them by exposing them to ideas outside the accepted Leftist doctrine? What kind of damn-fool concept of education are YOU talking about?

      The last thing in the world we want to do is let our young people know there are alternative ideas, choices, debates. We need them rigidly formed and restricted to those forms, and teaching them that other people have different ideas would just confuse them. Lead them off the Shining Path, so to speak.

      You tell ’em, mitch!

      • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 12:46 pm

        ROTFLMAO – great response amazona

    • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 12:41 pm

      Let’s just see if mitch was correct about that Texas School Board claim,. shall we? (Hint: As usual, he wasn’t.)

      Mark Twain said a lie travels half way around the world before the truth gets its pants on. The Texas Board of Education responds to the Lib Media’s false accusation that Thomas Jefferson has been struck from the Texas curriculum. The original misinformation can be traced to militant atheist advocacy group Texas Freedom Network, which accused the Board of erasing Jefferson to further a larger theocratic agenda, even as they fight tooth and nail to impose their own atheistic Leftwing ideology on the curriculum. In Texas? Good luck with that. They were utterly crushed and defeated, so slander and lies was all that was left to them. But it’s an accusation the Lib media naturally ran with before fact-checking it with the Texas school board itself. This warped narrative spread like a wildfire across the country overnight thanks to the usual suspects, and is now generally accepted as true.

      Thomas Jefferson remains in social studies curriculum

      After hours of public testimony and more than 100 amendments offered to the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for social studies, the State Board of Education last week gave preliminary approval to the curriculum standards that will be used in Texas public schools.

      One amendment in particular has garnered a lot of attention, after some media outlets erroneously reported the State Board of Education was dropping Thomas Jefferson from the curriculum framework.

      “The only individual mentioned more times in the curriculum standards than Thomas Jefferson is George Washington,” said Gail Lowe, chairwoman of the 15-member board. “We expect students at the elementary level, in middle school and in high school to study the Founding Fathers and to be well versed in their contributions to our country. That includes Thomas Jefferson and his legacy,” she said.

      In fifth grade, designed as an introductory survey course of the United States from 1565 to the present, students are expected to “identify the Founding Fathers and Patriot heroes, including John Adams, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Nathan Hale, Thomas Jefferson, the Sons of Liberty, and George Washington, and their motivations and contributions during the revolutionary period.”

      In the eighth grade, in which the history of the United States from the early colonial period through Reconstruction is presented, the TEKS framework requires students to “explain the roles played by significant individuals during the American Revolution, including Abigail Adams, John Adams, Wentworth Cheswell, Samuel Adams, Mercy Otis Warren, James Armistead, Benjamin Franklin, Bernardo de Galvez, Crispus Attucks, King George III, Haym Salomon, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, the Marquis de Lafayette, Thomas Paine and George Washington.”

      The U.S. Government course required for high school graduation states that students will “identify the contributions of the political philosophies of the Founding Fathers, including John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, James Madison, George Mason, Roger Sherman and James Wilson on the development of the U.S. government.”

      In addition, students must “identify significant individuals in the field of government and politics, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Marshall, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan.”

      Although Jefferson had been listed in a World History standard, the board removed his name from a list of European Enlightenment philosophers that included John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu and Jean Jacques Rousseau.

      “This was inappropriate placement of Jefferson’s name,” said Lowe of the World History proposal. “Jefferson was not himself an Enlightenment philosopher, although he was heavily influenced by the writings of these individuals. But to say the State Board of Education has removed him from the TEKS is inaccurate and irresponsible,” said Lowe.

      WHAT!!?? you say? A LIE? A total, absolute, untruth, further distorted to claim the non-decision was based on Jefferson’s religious beliefs?

      Awwww—who woulda thunk it?

      Lowe continued, “Jefferson not only penned the words of the Declaration of Independence, served as the third president of the United States and was father of the University of Virginia, but his promotion of the ideals of a limited federal government and states’ rights also permeated our nation for generations. No study of American history would be complete without his inclusion,” she said.

      • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 1:58 pm

        WHAT!!?? you say? A LIE? A total, absolute, untruth, further distorted to claim the non-decision was based on Jefferson’s religious beliefs? Awwww—who woulda thunk it?

        Well, maybe a lie, maybe not. According to Dennis it all depends on the angle from which you look at it.

    • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 12:55 pm

      I looked up the Left-invented kerfluffle about wives being submissive to their husbands and guess what I found? A Left-invented kerfluffle about wives being subservient to their husbands.

      Michelle Bachmann, speaking to a religious group, talked about her husband’s influence in her decisions and quoted a Biblical injunction for wives to be submissive to their husbands. Did she mean this seriously and literally? Was it an inside-their marriage joke?

      WHO CARES?

      It is irrelevant, just as it would be irrelevant to learn that when she prays every night she prays first for her family and then for her country when some think it should be the other way around.

      If the frantic, hate-mongering Left wants to claim that President Bachmann would turn to her (unelected) husband to be told what to do as President, let them try to make that cockamamie claim. It’s stupid.

      And they seem to know it is stupid, so they are focusing on trying to portray Bachmann, and conservatives in general, as wannabe “theocrats” intent on imposing their religious views on others—AND MAKING THEM LAW !!!!!!

      Yeah, because all we have to do is look at all the other conservative efforts to legislate female subservience to men.



      • Bodie August 3, 2011 / 2:17 pm

        “A Left-invented kerfluffle about wives being subservient to their husbands.”

        ‘Michelle Bachmann quoted a Biblical injunction for wives to be submissive to their husbands.”

        Michelle Bachmann is “the Left?” Or is it that “the Left” wrote the Bible?

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 6:18 pm

        Bodie, you really need to take a breath, take a pill, and learn to read before you mouth off here. Your other posts show you to be pretty stupid, but you outdo even yourself when you prove that you simply cannot process information.

        Not that it isn’t fun to watch…..

        OF COURSE my comment, so clearly stated, was that the Left invented a kerfluffle about what Bachmann said. Duh. No one cared, except the rabidly radical Left. No one tried to make a big deal out of it, except the rabidly radical Left. No one thought it worth dragging into this thread, except the resident RRL troll, mitch. But I’ll bet even mitch understood that the invented hysteria was invented by the Left.

        Maybe if you had a vocabulary more extensive than that of the average stoner slacker pseudo-political blog vandal you would understand more of what is said here. You might at least sound as smart as mitch, which is setting the bar pretty low.

    • Bodie August 3, 2011 / 1:15 pm

      “Wrong. The Democrats voted on the health care act. Every single republican voted no”

      So in your rational, mature, grown-up view, if your side loses a Congressional vote, then it doesn’t count as a Congressional vote?

      Congress voted on health care reform. Your side of Congress lost. Those are the facts, cluster. Stop being such a crybaby and deal with them.

      • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 1:47 pm

        Ad yet when, when only republicans voted for CC&B, this is called extreme.

        Bodie, you just walk into these don’t you?

      • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 2:02 pm

        Bodie, you just walk into these don’t you?

        Cluster, ROTFLMAO! He really does, doesn’t he?

        Question for Bodie — do you shave yet?

      • Bodie August 3, 2011 / 2:15 pm

        Call it extreme, call it whatever you want. But to claim that Congress didn’t vote on it–as you just claimed–is a childish lie. I can see why you’re so eager to change the subject here: You told a childish lie. And if your history on this blog is any indication, you won’t ever admit to having done so, even though it’s as plain as day. Instead, you’ll want to skip along to something else.

        But the fact remains: You claimed that because your side lost a Congressional vote, it doesn’t count as Congressional vote. Own your foolishness, cluster.

      • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 2:38 pm

        And when your side looses a vote, democracy doesnt work any more. yada yada yada.

      • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 2:39 pm

        Call it extreme, call it whatever you want. But to claim that Congress didn’t vote on it–as you just claimed–is a childish lie. I can see why you’re so eager to change the subject here: You told a childish lie.

        No, Bodie; according to our resident Leftist religious intellectual, a lie is never really a lie. It just depends on the angle from which you view it. Only the Democrat portion of Congress voted for HCR, so, technically, “Congress”, as a body, DID NOT VOTE FOR HCR.

        You need to get together with Dennis and come up with some kind of strategy to identify when something is a lie and when it isn’t. Meanwhile, I think I’ll continue to use YOUR playbook when it suits my purposes. Geez, moral relativism and nuance are fun tools, aren’t they?

      • Bodie August 3, 2011 / 3:02 pm

        “First rule of Holes …”

        Cluster’s not exactly obeying it, is he? Hell, neither is spook. But this is a very common dynamic on political blogs: Pride won’t let cluster admit that he said something foolish because then he’d have to admit that he was wrong, and that is the biggest no-no on political blogs.

        By the way, spook, that was a nice try to find a semantic escape hatch for your buddy cluster but it’s as big a failure as cluster’s original statement. This isn’t about voting for health care reform; it’s about voting on health care reform, which Congress absolutely did (and Republicans lost that vote). That’s what the original statement was–it’s right there upthread–and cluster then said that in fact, Congress didn’t vote on health care reform because Republicans lost. So you might want to take a mulligan here.

      • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 3:35 pm

        Call it extreme, call it whatever you want. But to claim that Congress didn’t vote on it–as you just claimed–is a childish lie. – Bodie

        Well at least you admit the hypocrisy, but wow, your feathers are ruffled. Anything wrong sport?

        When someone says Congress voted on it, to me that implies a debate, some compromise, and a vote. Obamacare, thanks to the democrats, violated nearly every congressional proceedure, and was ram rodded through, hence my comment. But I do apologize for whipping you into such a frenzy

      • Bodie August 3, 2011 / 3:39 pm

        It really gets your goat having to admit that you said something mind-bogglingly stupid, doesn’t it, cluster? That’s understandable; the solution, of course, would be for you to not say such foolish things in the first place. Perhaps you should take some time to think about that a bit before you gnaw on your foot again.

      • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 3:52 pm

        This isn’t about voting for health care reform; it’s about voting on health care reform – Bodie

        No. It was voting FOR health care reform, as there was no current reform to vote ON. Do you understand that?

        Could this be construed as a childish lie?

      • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 3:53 pm


        Every post you write is mind numbingly stupid, so I suppose that you are the authority on that.

      • Thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 3:57 pm


        I think your stupidity precludes you from understanding a point, and or apologizing when you make assanine statements.

        obviously you need some serious therapy. Maybe the cigar smoking accountant from southern california can join you?

      • Bodie August 3, 2011 / 3:59 pm

        See, I knew it. You can’t admit that you overreached, said something mind-bogglingly stupid (really, cluster? Congress didn’t vote on health care reform? Yet it somehow passed Congress and got signed into law…) and instead have to grasp blindly for some sort of escape–which, of course, you aren’t finding. This is hardly the first time you’ve done this to yourself, and it won’t be the last, either. You just can’t seem to stop yourself, and like I said above, admitting that you were wrong–even when it’s as plain as day that you were wrong–is out of the question for you.

        You should probably act like you have a tee time or something, kiddo. You’re just going from bad to worse here. And it’s entirely self-inflicted.

      • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 4:09 pm

        obviously you need some serious therapy.

        Oh I don’t deny that. After a day of reading posts from you and Bodie, anyone would need therapy.

        And Bodie, now that we know your a poster who has changed his handle, who were you previously? And why do you feel the need to change your name? Could it be because you were seriously bitch slapped under another handle?

      • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 4:11 pm

        You’re just going from bad to worse here. And it’s entirely self-inflicted.

        This is such an overused line. I would think by now that a smart liberal such as yourself wouldn’t rely on old cliches

      • Bodie August 3, 2011 / 4:19 pm

        Desperate to change the subject, are you, cluster? Is it perhaps finally sinking in that your claim that the well-known Congressional vote on health care reform never happened is, in fact, utterly ridiculous?

        Don’t feel bad, guy. Just try harder next time, OK?

      • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 4:29 pm

        Desperate to change the subject, are you, cluster? Is it perhaps finally sinking in that your claim that the well-known Congressional vote on health care reform

        No, it was actually FOR health care reform, not ON health care reform. We covered that earlier.

      • Bodie August 3, 2011 / 5:02 pm

        Spook already tried to use prepositions an a bailout for you. It didn’t work. Please try to keep up, OK?

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 6:34 pm

        Bodie’s shrill hysteria reminds me of bardolf’s meltdown over my use of the word “nearly”. It must be a characteristic of the rabidly radical Leftist lemmings to latch onto a semantic detail over which they can obsess, lash themselves into hysterical furor, and in general try to substitute for actual political discourse.

        Only on the lunatic fringes of the Lunatic Left can so much frenzy be generated over such a quibbling little matter as how many members of Congress have to agree on something before it can accurately be said that Congress voted on it.

        Evidently this form and degree of pseudo-political shrillness fills a need to appear to be a political commentator even when no political commenting takes place. Poor silly Bodie is flailing around in a snit, squealing about what he wants a word to mean, while managing to avoid a single syllable of actual political discourse.

        What are the chances of Bodie calming down, studying the two opposing political systems in this country today, researching their relative successes and failures, and making a rational decision about which SYSTEM he thinks is the best one for governing the country?


        OK, being hit twice in the same day by lightning while surfing in the Mojave does have a higher statistical chance of occurring, but still, mitch’s claims to the contrary, there is a chance of a miracle.

        And till then he can rant and rave, insult and snarl, throw out irrelevant and hysterical demands for total agreement with his petty quibblings, misstate what other people post, and in general just be Bodie.

        Anyone else notice how much he resembles the guy in the Judge Judy video?

      • tiredoflibbs August 3, 2011 / 7:07 pm


        Bodie, formerly Avon, C.M.B., Monty, MontyBurns, CMBurns or cbjeff(jeffy) loves to distort what you say ever so slightly to try to get you into a gotcha situation and derail your original point, then brags how he stomped you in a “debate”, got you mad, etc. etc.

        Nothing new from “identity” to “identity”, just the same recycled crap – you know exactly like liberal policies and tactics.

        But the most hysterical is Tommy-boy aka Lebowitz, the only party that can “fear monger” is the one not in the White House. That is truly hysterical. It is the same as “minorities can’t be racists” dumbed down talking point.

        Lie, distort and attack is all they know since they can’t launch a logical argument and defend the indefensible.

      • Bodie August 3, 2011 / 7:32 pm

        tired and amazona:

        Do you believe that Congress voted on health care reform? Think carefully, now–you don’t want to end up tied in a knot like cluster, do you? After all, he said that this never happened. Pretty dumb thing for him to say, huh?

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 10:34 pm

        Bodie is trying, oh so hard, to set up a false paradigm. No soap, bode.

        The Left loves to name its various lurches farther and father to the Left as “reform” but in fact something is not a “reform” if it is a new bill altogether.

        In no way has health “care” been “reformed”, no matter how often you guys repeat the word. Health care is what is has been for decades. Doctors, nurses, tests, hospitals, drugs, surgeries—-nothing has changed in CARE.

        The RRL has tried to ram down our throats a new way of charging for this care, but the care itself has not been “reformed” in any way, shape or form.

        The massive omnibus bill, not written by anyone in Congress but presented to Congress by the SEIU, is about putting the government in charge of paying for health care. The constant bleating of the RRL dupes about “health care reform” flies in the face of the reality of the bill.

        It’s like claiming that the way automobile engines work has been “reformed” by changing the laws regarding how to finance a new car.

        But the dupes slurp up the KoolAid and then spew it out on us, going into full-fledged meltdowns when we see the lies for what they are.

      • Bodie August 4, 2011 / 12:59 am

        That was a lot of blah blah blah, amazona, but nowhere in that extended whine did you answer the very simple question that I asked: Do you think Congress voted on health care reform? Cluster says it never happened (despite the fact that it, you know, happened). Are you as much of a lost cause as he is here? Your screeching and dodging doesn’t bode well for a reality-based answer to what should be a very, very easy question, and that’s assuming you answer at all, which is not exactly a safe assumption.

    • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 2:32 pm


      You must really be upset with the last line of The Declaration of Independence:

      And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

      • Thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 3:56 pm

        the constitution is a living document old spook. it’s not a snapshot in time as you seem to think.

      • Taly d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) August 3, 2011 / 4:19 pm

        The Constitution is a legal document; formally attributed to its author(s), formally executed, with explicit instructions for amending and refining, stating a contractual relationship, defining rights, obligations and duty to act.

        There is no such thing as a “living” legal document open to interpretation without due process, or amendable without mutual consent. Ignoramus.

      • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 6:13 pm

        the constitution is a living document old spook. it’s not a snapshot in time as you seem to think.

        And that’s related to my comment about the Declaration of Independence how, Thomas?

        BTW, young fella, every time you bring up the living Constitution meme, I ask you if you’d like to work for me under a living employment contract or play poker with me using living rules. I have yet to get an answer from you.

    • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 4:12 pm


      Need I go on? Church and state are separated for a reason.

      you need to “go on” to the library and read the constitution before making stupid and uninformed statements like that.

  6. Amazona August 3, 2011 / 1:06 pm

    “…Michele Bachman’s statements in regards to the balance within her marriage ..”

    So why is it anyone’s business regarding “the balance within her marriage”?

    You Libs didn’t complain about the “balance” in the Clinton marriage, which seemed to be “Go ahead and hump a woodpile on the chance there might be snake in it, Bill, as long as you keep it from affecting your political career, which of course means MY political career”.

    Or the “balance” in the Edwards marriage, which evidently was “Just keep your mistress tucked away so she doesn’t keep me from being First Lady”.

    Or the “balance” in the Kerry marriage, which was “I’ll marry you and give you access to my first husband’s money and houses and planes and so on, if you’ll throw your wife of 17 years under the bus and claim the marriage was never legal, and make your daughters bastards, so I can claim I did not marry a divorced man”.

    But let a marriage’s “balance” be affected by a belief in (shudder…..) GOD, instead of venality or political ambition, and suddenly it is not only highly suspect, it is fodder for the rabidly radical Left’s hate machine.

    • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 4:13 pm


      dont forget the whore dog ded kennedydrunk…in fact ALL of the kennedys.

  7. Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 2:07 pm

    If the GOP plays this ad enough times, it won’t matter who the Republican candidate is.

    • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 2:24 pm

      Spook..I know this is really serious advertising but my initial reaction after watching it was to laugh. Did you see the look on the little girls face? Priceless.

      • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 2:41 pm


        It’s only because she’s too young to realize how badly she’s screwed.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 4:15 pm


        Bingo….the TRUTH hurts.

  8. Thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 3:55 pm

    nice fear mongering spook.

    the bond market dictate our ability to borrow and our potential to pay it back by virtue of something called interest rate.

    stop the fear mongering old timer, go back to being a rep.

    • Cluster August 3, 2011 / 4:01 pm

      The rating agencies, and many economists support Spook’s position, and so did Harry Reid a few short years ago. Are they fear mongering?

      And when Obama tells seniors that they might not get their SS check, when he has full discretion to see that they do, is that fear mongering?

      Stop the hysteria young moron, go back to the fry machine

      • Thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 4:18 pm


        The rating agencies, and many economists support Spook’s position

        which rating agency has downgraded our rating? not said they are looking into it, but actually downgraded it? Go ahead and tell us.

        and so did Harry Reid a few short years ago. Are they fear mongering?

        Like I said the other day on another thread you blithering idiot…whichever party doesn’t have the white house, usually engages in fear mongering. Is that so damn hard to understand? Or are you going to back peddle out of this stupid statement of yours again.

        And when Obama tells seniors that they might not get their SS check, when he has full discretion to see that they do, is that fear mongering?

        he said he couldn’t GUARANTEE it, and he can’t. He can’t GUARANTEE anyone anything since we would have been SHORT on money and choices were going to have to be made. once again, your stupidity not withstanding, i’ll forgive you on this one.

        Stop the hysteria young moron, go back to the fry machine

        this coming from a guy who thinks, like spook, that there is going to be a great “crash” and that our government should be run like a business, otherwise we will go under and turn into greece. Yeh, im the moron.

        ha. pathetic conservative.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 4:20 pm

        go back to the fry machine

        WAY above tommyterdo”s pay grade and ability.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 4:34 pm


        this coming from a guy who thinks, like spook, that there is going to be a great “crash” and that our government should be run like a business, otherwise we will go under and turn into greece

        when it does come. I will laugh at you fools who brought it upon your selves and then didnt prepare for it.
        YOU lefty losers and innercity looters will not come for mine/ours and survive it.

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 6:36 pm

        I don’t think thomas runs a fry machine. He does, after all, have a degree from Georgia Tech, which ought to put him on the register.

      • tiredoflibbs August 7, 2011 / 8:39 am

        tommy boy gets it wrong again: “he said he couldn’t GUARANTEE it, and he can’t. He can’t GUARANTEE anyone anything since we would have been SHORT on money and choices were going to have to be made. once again, your stupidity not withstanding, i’ll forgive you on this one.”

        Well it is not up to obAMATEUR to “guarantee” Social Security checks will go out.

        It is FEDERAL LAW that requires them to go out. They MUST be paid and can be. Social Security has SEPARATE FUNDING through Social Security taxes.

        So, tommy-boy, again you show your ignorance and desperate attempts at protecting this incompetent pResident from his attempts at FEAR MONGERING to the senior citizens of this country. AND this is not the only group he is trying to scare.

        I await your criticisms of FEAR MONGERING to this pResident.

  9. Cluster August 3, 2011 / 3:59 pm

    Like Bush before him there is no need to actually have effective policies to beat the likes of JFK – barstool

    Again, what in the hell does this mean? Are you saying that Obama is like JFK

    • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 4:18 pm


      Are you saying that Obama is like JFK

      as long as “JFK” = john Fn kerry, then yes, both POS traitors.

      • Thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 4:19 pm

        Kerry served in Nam….where did you serve…other than the local restaurant as a waiter.

        stupid fake marine.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 4:23 pm


        3 months, 3 self inflicted bandaid scratches, get the hell out of dodge , abandon your crew and command………COWARD, LIAR, TRAITOR.
        he should have been hung not elected.
        how about YOU loudmouth?
        besides abusing little boys what is your claim to fame you NOTHING Dhead.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 4:25 pm

        fake Marine?

        PUT up $10K and we will see
        I call your little alligator mouth canary ass out.
        PUT up tommytardo or STFU!!

      • Taly d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) August 3, 2011 / 4:43 pm

        Be calm old friend. Thomas’ internet persona is demonstrably fraudulent. GMB and I caught him in so many lies that whatever he claims to be, rest assured he’s not.

        He is obviously too stupid to understand God Country Corps, and more obviously too stupid to understand there are lines one doesn’t cross with a Marine. (Not and have any teeth left anyway). Ignore him; he’s a coward who would never say such a vile thing to your face.

        Thank you for your service.

      • Thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 4:53 pm

        aww, how cute, the old smoker standing up for the fake marine.

        wouldn’t say it to his face? really? you have no idea who I am or what I do old timer. I suggest you tuck your tail and run back to your dead mother.

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 6:01 pm

        Awwww, ‘lil tommy is feeling quite sassy today, isn’t he?

        Quite the intellectual, though, isn’t he? Let’s see, he can snarl on the grounds of age and occupation, and sneer about someone’s mother being dead. Wow.

        And the thing is, these are the best things he has to offer.

        Not a clue of political content, though.

        Nope, thomas sounds way too much like our impotent little friend of a few months back, who was at that time pretending to be a graduate of a vastly superior (of course!!) foreign university and who dumped huge amounts of anti-American vitriol on the blog.

        Last I heard, he had a girlfriend (yeah, right!) who was of course not American who had actually decided to marry the freakish little twit. Uh-huh. Like that’s gonna happen. Much more likely to buy a bride from Iran.

      • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 6:26 pm

        Nope, thomas sounds way too much like our impotent little friend of a few months back, who was at that time pretending to be a graduate of a vastly superior (of course!!) foreign university and who dumped huge amounts of anti-American vitriol on the blog.

        When Thomas first appeared here a few months ago with the screen name, Thomas Gruenenberg (of something like that) and promptly said that he had researched and studied my fear mongering and doom & gloom posts going back over several years, my first reaction was, who does that? And yet there was something about his writing style and use of words that sounded strangely familiar. I figured, hey, two can play that research game. If should come as no surprise to anyone here that Thomas is none other than our old buddy Sasan, aka GT Graduate, aka, mza330, aka some other name with an 0102 after it. His MO of starting out sounding fairly reasonable and gradually descending into nastiness is as unique as a fingerprint. And, of course, I assume everyone has also pegged Bodie as Monty, aka Jeffie, aka who-the-f-cares.

      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 6:29 pm

        Take your meds amy, its that time of day.

        for once, why don’t you post something substantive instead of making “conspiracy” theories and dumping them like a hot piece of turd on this blog.

        do try and keep up farmer.

      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 6:39 pm

        oooh, now spook thinks I am a ghost from the past.

        ok, well I will bite on this one. go ahead and tell us all what kind of research you really did, and how you came to such an astounding conclusion.

        I am sure a man of your confidence and stature as a rep can come up with some facts and evidence…

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 6:53 pm

        Yep—–occupational snobbery. Sounds exactly like sassy little Sasan doesn’t it?

        Of course working for someone else proves superiority over those of us who have our own businesses. And do does a Houston zip code, no doubt.

        And so does not accumulating as many years on the planet–clearly an accomplishment of which to be proud, requiring as it does such an investment of intellect and energy.

        As for the smoking obsession, well, Count, you might want to stop referring to your cigar habit. I think little Sasan gets waayyyyy too excited at the imagery, if you get my drift. At least he can’t stop talking about it.

      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 7:01 pm

        occupational snobbery? isn’t that an awful big word for a self professed horse farmer?

        just saying, you shouldn’t get upset when people use your OWN words against you and your OWN occupation to make fun of you.

        don’t be to sensitive there little amy.

      • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 7:34 pm

        go ahead and tell us all what kind of research you really did, and how you came to such an astounding conclusion.

        Why the same kind of research you did on me, of course. Geez, I thought you were smart.

    • bardolf August 3, 2011 / 4:37 pm

      I mean that when a party runs a big loser like Kerrey that blank slate Bush doesn’t have to defend his policies.

      So when the GOP puts up the inevitable non-generic loser, blank slate Obama will pound him/her into the ground on their own record.

      • Thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 4:43 pm

        Amen! I can’t wait to see the President go up against the likes of Bachmann, or Pawlenty, or Romney! and my DREAM would be for him to go up against Palin! imagine the slaughter…she’d carry Alaska, Bama, and Mississippi….and that’s about it! ha.

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 5:53 pm

        “thomas”, don’t you mean hahahahahahahahahahaha ?

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 6:09 pm

        Bush was a “blank slate”?

        But I thought the anti-Bush hysteria was all about his despised policies! How can you have so many policies hated by so many and still be a “blank slate”?

        Or are you playing the “Did you know, if you change the words in a book it will mean something different” card, and simply inventing definitions so you can post a bunch of words and pretend they make sense?

        Are you saying Barry will run on having no record? Yeah, THAT sounds like a winning strategy! “I’ve been President for 4 years and still haven’t done a damned thing I will lay claim to—give me 4 more.”

        While Barry has tried everything he can to keep his fingerprints off the worst of what has happened since we got saddled with him (note the clever insertion of “horse farmer” lingo) he did go out and campaign, hard, for the “health care REFORM” bill, and the “stimulus” package, and raising the debt ceiling even higher and a couple of other major blunders. And his fingerprints are all over the assignment of unlimited power and authority to the EPA to do his dirty economy-killing work for him.

        I think “blank slate” is just what comes to mind when dolf looks in a mirror, and he has decided to use it a lot.

      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 6:27 pm

        maybe reading comprehension isn’t taught to farmers, but bardolf meant that Kerry was a blank slate and that Bush didn’t have to defend himself against Kerry because he was wholly inadequate to run for President.

        and no, I simply meant Ha.

        Next time, before you post a rant, which quite frankly shows your lack of mental ability, do read the post twice to make sure you’re not making yourself look like a fool there farmer…..ooops, to late. Ha.

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 6:45 pm

        “farmer”—–yep, it’s like DNA

        What is so funny is that this so-called “farmer” is also so much more successful, so much smarter, and so much happier than this pathetic little freak who has to invent a personality just to exist.

    • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 6:43 pm

      Bingo!!!! hahahahaha farmer—more than a fingerprint, it’s like DNA

      Poor Persian Sasan, whimpering because his skank girlfriend got tired of his fumbling and, shall we say, ‘eagerness’ and went on to torture him by making out with his best friend—-apparently he thinks that acting like a bully on a blog will let him finally feel like a man without running the risks associated with courting a real woman, or facing down a real man.

      Norwegian/French/Persian/German petroleum engineer etc—all phony and all as impressive as whatever his girlfriend found—or, more likely, didn’t find.

      What is so funny about his comments is the knowledge that all the time he is making snotty comments about the age of others, he would run like a bunny if he ever had to say even one of his insults to any of them in person. Yeah, a big man, when he can invent a persona and insult at a distance.

      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 6:46 pm

        this is hilarious. do you have any evidence of this? and you yourself said you made a FARM analogy, i just picked it up and ran with it.

        how pathetic you are to stalk some poor guy and then claim you’re not a stalker….If i remember correctly, a few months back, you were accused of stalking another person….that’s kind of freaky…

        do tell me more about me! great stuff!

      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 6:47 pm

        just in case you forgot so soon….your OWN words.

        While Barry has tried everything he can to keep his fingerprints off the worst of what has happened since we got saddled with him (note the clever insertion of “horse farmer” lingo)

        obviously it’s like DNA…you call yourself a farmer, I repeat it and BINGO! I am someone from your past!


      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 6:51 pm

        figures little amy the “horse farmer” would disappear once she gets called out on her stupidity.

        oh wait, she may claim because I used the word “farmer”…that I am a person from her past she stalked.

        secret crush?

      • Taly d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) August 3, 2011 / 7:00 pm

        Thanks Spook & Amazona,

        I forgot about the troll and his incessant lying: The electrical engineer petroleum engineer from Paris Texas and Munich Georgia with a degree from Georgia Tech the foreign Georgia Tech, that’s the only place in the world an Iranian German man-woman can get a multiple engineering degree without learning rudimentary English.

        I said from the first crap-sandwiches tommy posted here ~fraud.

        I never said I was a petroleum engineer. Obviously you think your lies are accepted as is. Wrong. Prove it or shut up about it.

        second of all, you claim to be this hugely succesful person who owns a “piece of paradise”…..in the american midwest….yeahh…..right.
        So what, I do live in Paris, and I do make 221k per year, so what? you don’t believe me, I could care less.
        and I didn’t say I was married, I am engaged, get it right, because next week you will claim that I said I was married! haha..loser.

        Sound familiar?

        And this is who accuses Neo of lying about honorable service to his country.
        I’m for banning this piece of $hit … again.

      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 7:03 pm

        this game is turning out to be quite fun.

        do you have any evidence of this count who can’t?

        I eagerly wait your response, because I am sure you have some sort of evidence. after all, you’re the judge, jury and executioner on this blog it seems.

      • Taly d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) August 3, 2011 / 7:04 pm

        That’s right Amazona!

        The whining about the unfaithful “girlfriend” over thomas’ “fumbling.”

        I forget, was he “Quick Draw McGraw” or “Wrong Way Corrigan”?

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 7:11 pm


        secret crush?

        No, you are just an AZZ H*LE
        little man with the big mouth.
        weiner is dat you?

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 7:12 pm

        count I heard the “ranger” shot blanks.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 7:19 pm



        you have the lil tommy turd corralled, Im for flushing!

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 7:22 pm

        Count, it is obvious that little tommy/Sasan is now quite tickled to be the center of attention and seems to think that our discussion of him lends him some degree of importance.

        As for your reference, I understood the skank girlfriend to consider him a “Quick Draw McGraw” while others who knew him always speculated about the “Wrong Way Corrigan” identity.

        The effeminate tone of what he seems to think are insults, combined with his obsession about your cigar smoking, do lend credence to the latter—especially given the one actual fact we know of his nationality.

        I think it is time for him to go, as well, and in the meantime to be ignored.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 7:29 pm

        the ZOT for lil tommy?

        bub buyah!

      • Taly d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) August 3, 2011 / 7:35 pm

        Thanks to you and Spook for jumping in here & reminding us who we’re dealing with.

        I suppose we could always speculate that it was “Tiny Tim” that drove his skank to boinking another man.

        last I checked, you tucked tail and ran in Vietnam….how does that feel?

        Do you know of a way to get his IP address? I’d love to send it to neo so tommy-sue can get the chance to impugn the Corps face-to-face.

      • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 7:43 pm

        I think it is time for him to go, as well, and in the meantime to be ignored.

        For the life of me, I can’t figure out what it is about this blog that makes creeps like Sasan and slccr want to continue to come back over and over under different screen names. Maybe they just get off on trading insults and being nasty. If so, God knows we’ve enabled them. I agree — time to stop.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 7:44 pm


        last I checked, you tucked tail and ran in Vietnam….how does that feel?

        seems lil tommie cant make up his mind.
        1. fake Marine.
        2. was in Viet Nam

        I have no tail,
        and yes I ran for the bunkers daily on the perimeter…….dec 1966 – jan 1968
        Da Nang, Phu Bai, Hue, Dong Ha, Khe Sanh.

        His IP could invoke a visit from fellow Marines who do not like iranians.

      • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 7:46 pm

        Do you know of a way to get his IP address?

        Sorry, that I can’t do. I thought I was doing pretty well just identifying his word use and sentence structure.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 7:49 pm


        a long while back sarah blocccccch admitted that the forkers were paid bloggers by soros funded media matters.
        I believe this to be true of our ardent trolls who spill their bilge here daily.

        also sergio andropov was a group who blogged under a single name from berkley.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 7:53 pm

        Do you know of a way to get his IP address?

        some have it.
        as well as catspukes employer and his picture.

      • Taly d'Haricots (@Count_dHaricots) August 3, 2011 / 7:56 pm

        Casper? I wouldn’t want to cause him any trouble; he’s wrong IMO but not dangerous crazy like tommy-sue.

        But i would pay the airfare to see you confront tommy-sue.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 8:03 pm


        and bail? LOL

        catspuke is Ok
        just an aging hippy stuck in the past fading glory who never discovered how moronic those youthful days were.

        If you were under 20 and not a liberal you had no heart
        if you were over 30 and a liberal you had no brain

        catspuke is the latter.
        tommy? his posts speak for them selves.

      • Retired Spook August 3, 2011 / 8:03 pm

        But i would pay the airfare to see you confront tommy-sue.

        Having seen photos of Neo, I’ll second that.

      • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 8:15 pm

        Darn it you beat me to it Neo. I was going to I had your bail covered. 🙂

  10. Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 8:18 pm

    “If you were under 20 and not a liberal you had no heart” I do not agree with this at all. I was never a libbie. I did not think at the time I was “heartless”. 😦

    • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 8:23 pm

      actually it was a (loose) quote attributed to Sir Winston Churchill.

      • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 8:40 pm

        I have heard the quote before. I just do not think it holds true.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 8:43 pm


        I just thought it was a good fit for catspuke.

  11. mitch August 3, 2011 / 8:25 pm

    You people are fkng nuts. What are you going to do with an IP address of someone who riles you so much? Go to the house and kill whomever is in it? Like the self appointed white supremacist militia group in Arizona who invaded the “wrong” house and murderd the entire family including an 8 yr old girl who begged for her life? Go screw yourselves. And Neo, fake Marine retarded child of B4V or whomever you portend yourself to be, you would never has passed muster in boot camp. Lying a-wad that you are.Racist ignorant diabetic who hides behind a keyboard and his air-conditioning expertise. I was a Cessna O-2 officer stationed in Da Nang, as I explained to Amazona in one of her calm periods and I must say that if any Marine expressed the vile crap that you do karma would have either put multiple bullets into your body or you would have been fragged. No one bragged about killing. No one. Vietnam was not filled with Jeremy Morlock’s. Great name there, Morlock. Perfect fit for his hockey coach.
    So Neo, fake, phony a-wad that you are, too bad you weren’t amoungst the friendly-fire error that I made and have felt guilty for everyday for the past 38 yrs. Your ilk would have rationalized my mistake. I would have done humanity a favor.

    • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 8:32 pm


      foam at the mouth much LOSER.
      some Fn loser one seat piper cub pilot who lived in air conditioned barracks and carried a .38 special side arm who would have shot his barney fife foot if he ever pulled it.
      tough talk from some flop who never shot his wad let alone a weapon.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 8:34 pm

        Does Bmitch sound like willy wanker to anyone?


    • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 8:42 pm


      the friendly-fire error that I made

      Yup that figures,
      to much smoke? or drunk in the seat?
      either way YOU got good men killed by your incompetence……deal with it you Fn loser.

      • mitch August 3, 2011 / 9:29 pm

        Piper Cub??? Don’t think so bitch.I can land those @ 40 TIAS. In my backyard. The only AC we had was when we ran. Rifles in the air. I directed FAC @ over 150 kts and under 1000′ MSL. And you grunt?? Face in the jungle mud sucker? I had my ass in a comfortable seat, my hand on 2 throttles and a stick (not my dk) in my hand to go up and down, left or right depending if I was getting shot at.
        You are a phony.

    • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 8:44 pm

      I have very serious doubts you ever served in the Air Force. If you did and you called in arty or an air strike on your comrades you are lucky to lasted that 38 years. Count on it.
      Would love to see your article 15 proceedings or whatever equivilant the airforces has.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 8:49 pm


        he would have been shot down by “friendly” fire himself if he ever did that.
        One of the Marine F4 pilots would have lit him up if the grunts didnt.

      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 8:58 pm

        so the marines are traitors now? killing their own mates on purpose?

        wow, you’re one sick puppy. must suck to be you or associated with you.

      • mitch August 3, 2011 / 9:45 pm

        Wasn’t in the AF.
        My mistake was investigated and I was absolved. Mechanical failure of on board electronic equipment as a result of being impacted by NVC anti-aircraft fire and poor visibility led to a series of poor decisions on my part. I am man enough to admit that when I got shot at I freaked because the fire was hitting my aircraft in vital areas.
        You can dis me all you want.
        I live with this. You don’t. And you, for questioning me about this are as much an a-wad as fake marine Neo.

      • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 10:32 pm

        NVC??? Would that be the North Viet Cong?? Let see was this just a little mistake?? Oh of course it was. Never heard of a vietnam vet refer to them as anything other than NVA or charlie for all of them .
        Of course it was equipment failure, never would of expected anything else. Care to release the pertinent info on the investigation that was done? Document number case number anything like that? Would love to read it.
        Oh well live and learn.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 10:48 pm


        anti-aircraft fire and poor visibility led to a series of poor decisions on my part.

        “anti aircraft fire” in a Fn piper cub???????????
        Bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha

        more like pidgin shit on the windshield, and you being the Punk ass you are you pooped your lil panties, and KILLED valiant Marines by your cowardice and panic.

    • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 8:58 pm


      these people are sick. Amazona has already been accused of being a stalker. It was quite scary actually. I felt bad for the other person.

      It was solely because she disagreed with amy, and then amy went nuts and started stalking her and trying to find out where she lived and worked. Quite the madness.

      as far as myself, I was born in Germany and moved here at a young age, and have lived here ever since. But to neo, that makes me a marxist, communist, fascist, nazi…he thinks those are all the same thing.

      and to amy, if you ever dare to disagree with her, she will jump on you by bragging about her wealth, the fact that she “owns” her own business and how she lives next to millionaires who are her friends.

      It’s quite sickening. this blog has about 7 regular posters, and they all reinforce each other’s nuts views and deranged rants.

      spook even thinks I am a persian guy from his past who haunts him to this day! how creepy is that?

      either way, men like you, who served with honor are few and far in between….neo should have just been killed in combat, but no worries…father time will catch him soon enough.

      • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 9:08 pm

        So killing your own is honorable? Blut und Erhe ja? Thomas you are just plain irrelavent.

      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 9:25 pm

        don’t act German when you’re not old timer. You may have served the US military in Germany…(stationed there), but you’re not a German.

        So stick to mastering English first, then go to German.

      • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 9:42 pm

        Lol old timer? You really need to work on your insults Thomas. You could have said something like this.
        I hear you are so fat that a japanese whaling boat is tracking you.
        Again smart guy that was not really deutsch. That is the language I grew up speaking most. Figure that one out smart guy.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 10:33 pm


        father time catches ALL of us, but dont be to smug I have seen a whole lot of people go back to the earth that thought they had dozens of years left.
        so be smug in your youth but be prepared, you may not see the morning yourself.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 10:41 pm


        killing their own mates on purpose?

        obviously you do not understand………one azzwipe in a piper cub calls in an air strike on a battalion of Marines and does not wave it off he may well be shot down, not murdered.
        hopefully he would survive.

        yet you seem to miss the threats by Bmitch to frag or shoot Me…..why is that?
        selective outrage?
        or are you both the same poster?

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 10:50 pm

        Poor little Sassy is all fwightened because some uber-Left nut case posted her name, her home town and her occupation and then freaked out because we knew her name, her home town, and her occupation. Awwwww. He’s as dumb. After a series of particularly virulent anti-American mental sludge from Sasan I merely googled his screen name, and up popped a whole list of his other posts, including the ones where he was so pathetic he went to an online lonely-hearts club site to beg for advice on how to get his sleazy “girlfriend” back after she dumped him by making out in front of him with his “best friend”. Stalking? Yeah, like buying a chicken at the market is ‘hunting’.

        Though I do not doubt that he is quite scared. Why else would he hide behind the internet to bluster and brag, and try to pick fights? I will bet that any one of us would have him whimpering in a corner and squealing about being “quite frightened” if we said “BOO!”

        Yet he is pretty happy with the ongoing violent imagery of mitch’s posts—-mitch, who chortles in ghoulish glee at the prospect of violence happening to conservatives, who recently posted a desire to see someone’s “head split open”.

        But this is the insane irrational rabidly radical Left for you—-whining about an alleged “stalking” that consisted of repeating what someone said, yet never squeaking about actual, pathological, hatred expressed in explicitly violent terms and fantasies. It’s moral relativity, writ large.

      • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 11:08 pm

        Actually, just to insert a fact or two into your ( Sasan’s) ranting and raving, I have never “bragged about (my) wealth” and never claimed to be “friends” with my millionaire neighbors. (Though they are billionaires, not millionaires.) Of course I define “friendship” as a close personal relationship, not just a cordial business relationship. Maybe you are so desperate you find simple courtesy to mean someone is your “friend”.

        Ranchers tend to not make judgments based on superficialities. We talk about fences, water, grazing, zoning, river rehabilitation, and so on. Perhaps to someone like you, as socially rejected as you must be, this does qualify as “friendship” just because it is friendLY.

        Putting the word “owns” in quotes implies that I do not own my business(es). In fact, I own one outright, with not a cent of debt, and recently became a full partner with 25% ownership in another.

        No one ever said you “haunt” spook.

        Or do you define “haunts” as being the same as having the smell stick around after you have cleaned the dog doo off your shoe?

        He and the Count and I noticed certain specifics connecting your posts and Sasan’s, and a carefully placed comment or two elicited responses that confirmed, beyond any doubt, that you are one and the same. No, I will not say what the responses were. You are such a spineless coward, you will undoubtedly sneak back with a new name, and we may want to use the same tactics again.

        It says a lot about you that you have to invent a personality to be able to stand yourself. Not that it’s not understandable—-even at Georgia Tech you were an outcast and essentially friendless. The thing is, the personalities you invent are just as creepy as the real one.

        Who you are and what you are are completely obvious, as shown by your wish that neo had been killed in combat. Nice. You and mitch are such a darling pair.

        But there remains the question—-why, if you are totally lacking an actual political philosophy, you persist in infesting a political blog with your non-political pathology?

      • thomasg0102 August 3, 2011 / 11:56 pm

        amy honey,

        you really have a thing for this guy you are stalking huh? and to you stalking the other poster…it’s true, you did stalk her, and she didn’t reveal her real name and her city. You just stalked her.

        also, you must have a fabulous life with people living next to you who are in forbes magazine.

        Like I have said many times before, you have no evidence for any of your rants, you simply WANT to believe that people who post on this blog are some previous poster who magically stopped posting.

        It’s pathetic and it shows your lack of brains, but then again, someone who calls themselves a “horse farmer” can’t have that much brains.

        Another thing I wonder is….how can you possibly care so much about another poster that you google their name and find out their personal life? was he that impressive to you? or maybe you had a secret crush on him and don’t want to admit it?

        we have a word like that in German for you, but ill let you figure that out.

        Have a fun time stalking me, I could use a stalker…haven’t had one before.

      • Amazona August 4, 2011 / 12:21 am

        I do have a great life, but it has nothing to do with how rich my neighbors are. As a matter of fact, my best friend here is from an old homesteading ranching family and is far from rich, but is an amazing woman.

        This coy little game of referring to the “other guy” I allegedly stalk is quite funny, in a sad, pathetic, kind of way. Surely you don’t think you are fooling anyone…..

        And yes, the woman in question, who has been lying about me, did give her name, her city, and her occupation and a description of her company right on the blog, several times. Just as you posted all over the net using the same name, and tying that to other posts using your real name.

        Not my fault you two are so stupid, or so toxic that after months of increasingly vicious posts someone might become a little curious about why you are so batshit crazy. With you, it was your virulent anti-American sentiments, which you repeated several times a day. With her, it was just curiosity, wondering if anyone so stupid could really be a lawyer.

        And, uh, DUH, the “horse farmer” is a direct insult to YOU, because only a complete moron like you would insist on calling a rancher a “farmer” and then trying to make an insult out of it. You are so blatant, you have become a joke, and the terms “horse farmer” and “cow farmer” are really inside references to your utter stupidity. And now you are too stupid to see the fact that you are the butt of the joke.

        Quite sad, really.

        As for finding you “impressive” or having a crush on you, in your dreams. I prefer real men, not nancy-boys who have to invent personalities to even be able to stand themselves and then can’t manage to invent personalities less creepy than they are. Nothing ‘impressive” about a guy who brags about owning a condo in Paris and making sooooo much money, but who really lives in a third-rate condo in Houston, or who is so pathetically desperate that even when the campus skank dumps him he sniffs after her like a sad old hound dog.

        But you just keep digging, OK, Sasan? You clearly have no personal dignity, so you just keep making it worse with more and more feeble denials. And why do you care, anyway? What is wrong with you, that you are so desperate that you have to keep coming back to a site which despises you and finds you a laughingstock? All you are doing is reinforcing that perception, you know. Isn’t there at least ONE place, even on the Web, where SOMEONE can tolerate you and your silly stories and inventions?

        Hint: As long as you pollute this political blog with non-political toxic sludge, you will be treated as a toxic waster distributor.

      • Amazona August 4, 2011 / 12:22 am

        “Toxic WASTE distributor…”

  12. Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 10:12 pm

    Thomas, Is it true that you are so ugly that france and italy are trying to pass a law that requires you to wear a burqa if you ever visit?

    • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 10:33 pm


      more like a rubber…..

    • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 11:09 pm

      I heard that Sasan is so ugly, when he was born the doctor slapped his mother…..

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 11:45 pm

        LOL 🙂

    • Amazona August 3, 2011 / 11:58 pm

      I have seen a photo of Sasan and think making fun of his looks would be too much like making fun of the kids on the short bus.

      Besides, it’s his sheer utter nastiness that deserves ridicule and dismissal.

      After all this time, and all these names, he still hasn’t managed to talk about politics.

      PS—his new name might be a reference to where he got his last college degree. Whatchu think, Sassy?

    • Amazona August 4, 2011 / 12:00 am

      But…one more.

      Thomas/Sasan walked into a bar with a duck on his head. The bartender said “Where’d you get that?” and the duck said “Beats the hell out of me. It started off as a pimple on my butt.”

  13. Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 10:54 pm

    Tell me mitch, what was the tail number of your aircraft? Or is that super sekrit??

    • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 10:59 pm


      dial your super duper cheney decoder ring to setting BF549 and Bmitch will code it to you through Jr Samples spirit…….LOL

      Loons R us tonight…..
      I swear Bmitch sounds like the looniest loon ever to romp here.. sir willys wanker.

      • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 11:13 pm

        Well you see I already have a list of all the cessna O-2’s built and where they ended up. As mitch stated he was not in the U.S. Air Force this is a small problem. I am havinf difficulty finding any O-2’s operated by any branch of the service other than the U.S. Air Force out of Danang Airfield. That Unit would be the 20th Tactical Support Squadron.

        I am also unable to find any reference of the 1st Army Aviation Brigade operating any O-2’s at all.

        So if mitch was not in the Air Force, providing his tail number would go a long way in getting to the truth of the matter.

        Oh well.

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 11:33 pm


        you nailed Bmitch good with the “NVC”…BIG oops slip up,,, ROTFL

        NVA = North Vietnamese Army = hard core, trained, uniformed combat troops.

        Charlie = Viet Cong,
        communist insurgent fighters who typically fought hit and run attacks at night, were farmers by day,
        noted to wear black pajama looking garb mostle south of I corps

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 11:44 pm


        38 years ago???????

        2011 – 38 = 1973 WTF??????

        The question asked when the last US ground combat troops left Vietnam.

        We gave the correct answer, ie 1972.

        The last American combat unit was a task force from the 3d Bn, 21st Inf Regt and battery B, 3d Bn, 82d Field Artillery Regt which had been stationed in Danang (I commanded battery C, 3d Bn, 82d FA and B btry was our ‘sister’ battalion). These were the last US ground combat units in Vietnam and I was there when they left in August of 1972. As a matter of fact, when my unit disbanded in June 1972, we sent B Btry about 15 of our guys who stayed with B Btry until it left in August. Of note: these C btry guys took along a US flag that had flown over my firebase and put it up over the B Btry firebase where it flew until the task force departed in Aug 72.

        Therefore, the last American flag to fly over a US firebase in Vietnam was mine.

        Some American troops (no combat troops) were still in Vietnam until they left in 1973.

        But But But Bmitch was calling in air strikes in 1973

        OOPS …………..LOL LOL LOL !!!!!

      • neocon1 August 3, 2011 / 11:52 pm

        mitch August 3, 2011 at 8:25 pm #

        You people are fkng nuts.

        too bad you weren’t amoungst the friendly-fire error that I made and have felt guilty for everyday for the past 38 yrs.

        Bmitch must have been in cambodia Christmas eve with JFnK…
        .the memory of those 1973 air strikes seared into his brain…….ROTFLMAO

        Too Fn FUNNY!!!!!!!

      • Green Mountain Boy August 3, 2011 / 11:56 pm

        Glad you covered that angle Neo. I didn’t think of it. Another one bites the dust. Debunked and mythbusted.
        Why do these people have to lie? mitch is dead!! long live the new mitch, under whatever he name he comes up with this time.

      • neocon1 August 4, 2011 / 12:03 am


        just as funny lil tommiegasbag ran headlong to Bmitches aid, spit flying, arms a wavin, hooting and hollering about murders, traitors and the war was OVER.

        you cant pay for entertainment like that.
        we want to ban these morons why?
        the entertainment value of these LOONS is priceless.

      • Green Mountain Boy August 4, 2011 / 12:12 am

        I would have to agree. It is almost like children wanting to gain some kind of acceptance into the “in crowd”. Why do they torture themselves in this way? Who knows.
        Here we have the german who cant speak german defending the pilot that can’t fly. The mothership must have abandoned them on earth for being looney tunes.

        As far as mitch and thomas being the same person, more than possible, likely even. Although I would do it differently.

      • Retired Spook August 4, 2011 / 12:24 am

        As mitch stated he was not in the U.S. Air Force this is a small problem.


        Mitch and Thomas are phonier than a $3 bill — blog vandals, pure and simple.

      • Amazona August 4, 2011 / 12:28 am

        If you guys have ever read “Stolen Valor” you have seen story after story of liars and posers like mitch and thomas, people who invent elaborate stories of combat (or professional expertise or wealth, etc.) to try to invent personas less pathetic than their realities.

        Some of these losers were in Viet Nam but behind the scenes, but most never left the United States or were even in the military. They just look in the mirror, see someone looking back who could never spark admiration or respect in anyone (even themselves) and proceed to steal the stories of real men.

      • neocon1 August 4, 2011 / 12:34 am


        like this traitor?

        Enemy documents from 1971 show that Vietnamese communists guided the American antiwar movement via meetings between the communist delegations to the Paris Peace talks and American antiwar activists. John Kerry and the VVAW were working toward the exact goals set forth in the communist directives.

        Read about it in John Kerry and the VVAW: Hanoi’s American Puppets? by Dr. Jerome Corsi and Scott Swett.


        In Yesterday’s Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers, Scott Swett tells the story of a former VVAW member and participant in the Winter Soldier Investigation who has now filed an affidavit stating that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam.

        In the smash best-seller Unfit for Command, John O’Neill presents eyewitness accounts from Kerry’s fellow Swift sailors that demolish his tales of combat heroism, while Dr. Jerry Corsi draws on the WinterSoldier.com research and other new material to expose Kerry’s radical activities as a leader of the VVAW.

        John Kerry’s photograph hangs in the War Protestors Hall of the War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City — an indication of the value the Vietnamese communists place on Kerry’s support of their efforts during the Vietnam War.


  14. Feel the Fangfeelthefang August 4, 2011 / 12:13 am

    Right on brother tell em how its done!!!

  15. Feel the Fang August 4, 2011 / 12:14 am

    Stupid gravatar!

    • neocon1 August 4, 2011 / 12:22 am

      what is it supposed to be?

      • Green Mountain Boy August 4, 2011 / 12:26 am

        Neo, I do believe Feel the Fang was voicing his agreement with me on how proper sock puppeting is done.

      • Feel the Fang August 4, 2011 / 12:28 am

        You are so right. 🙂

  16. Green Mountain Boy August 4, 2011 / 12:15 am


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  17. Green Mountain Boy August 4, 2011 / 1:12 am

    “we have a word like that in German for you, but ill let you figure that out.”
    Hope you are not using a online translator for ” this word” They hardly ever can place a word in context.
    Keep trying though. I do admire your sticktooiveness 🙂

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