The TEA Party Lives!

Reports of the death of the TEA Party are greatly exaggerated – from Slate:

The Tea Party movement is alive in Utah. With representatives from FreedomWorks in the audience, delegates at the Utah Republican Convention managed to force Sen. Orrin Hatch into a June 26 primary. He got 59.2 percent of their votes against Dan Liljenquist, a 38-year-old state senator. Hatch needed 60 percent to avoid the primary. He couldn’t do it. In two rounds of voting, he went from 2,243 votes to 2,313 votes. If he’d gotten 32 more votes, he would have wrapped this up…

Nothing against Hatch – in fact, I’ve met him and he’s intelligent, well informed and a complete gentleman…but he’s also been in DC for a loooong time and he has, at times, “worked across the aisle” which means, really, nothing more than helping liberal Democrats destroy our nation, piece by piece.  Hatch saw what happened to Bennett in 2010 and so has both shifted right as well as worked his GOP base in anticipation of this – but the fact that he couldn’t wrap it up shows (a) that he’s still mistrusted as a DC insider and (b) that he’ll have to fight hard to retain his seat.

The bottom line is that the Second American Revolution continues – we, the people, are not just going sit there and take it.  Hatch is likely to win the GOP primary – but what happened to him will both make a better Senator out of him, as well as show all GOPers in DC that they’d better darn well do the work of the people, not the work of the Ruling Class.

121 thoughts on “The TEA Party Lives!

  1. feelthefang April 22, 2012 / 1:51 am

    This is likely Hatch’s last election, win or loose. I would respectfully disagree that anything can make a better senator out of him. Reaching accross the isle and compromising with the donkys seems to be a feature, not a bug with the republican party.

    Republicans like Hatch and Murkowski have an entitlement to office that in my opinion is worse than the donkys.

    Anything to just stay in power a little bit longer. Hatch and his ilk are more than happy to watch America decline. As long as they are in D.C. to watch that decline.

    Best that we can do?

    • James April 22, 2012 / 2:46 am

      You call this a victory for the tea party? Hatch will walk all over his opponent in the election. You call that a victory?

      Once he gets back into office, and knows that he won’t run again…he will finally compromise on core issues and help get things done for our nation.

      As a whole though, the tea party has lost its power. Their members in the House of Representatives caved on EVERY single important measure in front of them. You call that success?

      ok.

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 9:15 am

        I liked the line from James – “help get things done for our nation”, which is an empty cliche at best but lets take a closer look at what Washington has gotten done for our nation:

        $15 trillion dollars in debt
        Unfunded entitlement programs that are headed towards bankruptcy
        A new, constitutionally challenged, health care program
        A GSA bureaucracy that is completely out of control
        A 2007 housing crisis

        These are just to name a few, but clearly with achievements like this it’s time most people would look toward new leadership, with the exception of James of course.

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 12:32 pm

        Bozo,

        Thank you for proving to me once again why brain dead people like you need to be thrown out of office. Since 2009, our country has accumulated $5 trillion in new debt all of which came after our current president called bush unpatriotic for accumulating $4 trillion in debt. Secondly, tax RATE cuts do not cost the government anything – we’ve gone over that before.

        How about if you just let people that actually know what they are doing replace this current bunch of incompetence? Would that be too much to ask? Or would you prefer to continue to play the shell game?

      • James April 22, 2012 / 2:32 pm

        Cluster, you are full of talking points and ignorance.

        $15 trillion dollars in debt

        Again, debt matters only as a percentage of your GDP. Secondly, we have a RESERVE currency. do you know what that means?

        Unfunded entitlement programs that are headed towards bankruptcy

        they aren’t unfunded, they are underfunded and need repair. and this bankruptcy you talk about will never happen. there will be a resolution.

        A new, constitutionally challenged, health care program

        so what? that’s a bad thing how? that just shows the system is working….

        A GSA bureaucracy that is completely out of control

        ooooh..the horror. this must be the first agency to be out of control. this must be the first time in our nations history an agency has done something wrong only to be caught!

        A 2007 housing crisis

        The housing bubble was going to pop either way.

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 2:42 pm

        Excellent points James. Nothing to see here, all is well. Carry on.

        Thank God you’re not running my business.

      • James April 22, 2012 / 2:44 pm

        and therein lies the problem. The US government is NOT a business. It doesn’t exist to make a profit or increase shareholder value.

        gratuitous insult //M

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 2:47 pm

        James, your ignorance is a constant source of amusement for me. Thanks for that.

      • Amazona April 22, 2012 / 2:47 pm

        “James” why don’t you tell us all about this ” reserve currency” and how it mitigates the national debt. Can it be used to pay the interest on this debt? How will it help if the Fed lets interest rates go up even one per cent? Please explain the impact on the nation if that were to happen, and especially what the “reserve currency” will do to head off disaster.

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 2:49 pm

        James, just one of your mindless musings:

        “The housing bubble was going to pop either way”

        Bubbles are completely preventable James. Do you get that? Your comment implies that bubbles are a given. Carry on

      • James April 22, 2012 / 5:14 pm

        amazon,

        gratuitous insult //M

        “James” why don’t you tell us all about this ” reserve currency” and how it mitigates the national debt.

        It doesn’t mitigate the national debt completely. It does however make the national debt less important for two reasons.

        1. most of our national debt is held by nations that trade with us in our own currency. therefore, when we pay them in the very money they gave us, we don’t really give up anything. A perfect example is this. Recently, a chinese economist stated that China is in a catch 22 with regards to buying up our national debt. If they don’t buy up our debt, and the dollar collapses or we default…then their holdings of dollars is worthless. If they do buy up more of our debt, they become more dependent on us.

        2. At a certain point, money stops having an intrinsic value. A country like Saudi Arabia has about a little less than 1 trillion dollars of US money in its central bank. They give us oil, we give them more money which they put in their central bank. Therefore, inflation stays low on our currency, and we get oil to boot! In other words, the money that the Saudi’s are storing in their bank is worthless to them.

        Can it be used to pay the interest on this debt?

        gratuitous insult //M

        How will it help if the Fed lets interest rates go up even one per cent?

        Why would the fed let interest rates up? you act as if the Fed wants our economy to do badly? gratuitous insult //M

        Please explain the impact on the nation if that were to happen,

        That will never happen. the fed, for the foreseeable future has stated clearly in their minutes of meeting that the rate will stay down. this means that for the next probably 24 months, it will stay at ZERO. gratuitous insult //M
        and especially what the “reserve currency” will do to head off disaster.

        Have you noticed how bond rates are at historic lows for us? why do you think that is? Every nation on earth that has commerce or trade has a vested interest in keeping our currency stable and operating. This is because the WORLD trades in our currency…minus some countries like Iran and North Korea that have sanctions on them.

        gratuitous insult //M

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 5:59 pm

        James – you have once again proven yourself to be a complete idiot.
        Bond rates are artificially low because of the policies of the Feds which are holding rates down at the risk of hurting the economy, which in fact they are by discouraging savings. Secondly, there is a real danger in constant increase in th money supply despite your assertions. Right ow we are walking a tight rope with inflation and a money supply that is dangerously high. If we cross the line, the value of the dollar plummets, inflation sky rockets and the poor and middle class are hurt the worst.

        I find it hard to believe that you have a college education. You speak as though you haven’t a clue as to how money works, how macro economic works, or how a political philosophy that you embrace has only served to restrict individual upward movement and Relegate a country to economic malaise.

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 6:00 pm

        Oh and I forgot to mention that today you denigrate Midwestern women following yesterday’s denigration of farmers.

        Why do you have so much hate I side of you. You must be a really weird person to be around.

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 6:25 pm

        Oh and James, one other thing. You may or may not have noticed that the “world” is considering not using the dollar as the worldwide exchange currency anymore. Can you guess why that is?

      • James April 22, 2012 / 6:32 pm

        Cluster,

        you’re the true idiot. lets break it down for you. hide the women and children, this is going to get ugly.

        Bond rates are artificially low because of the policies of the Feds which are holding rates down at the risk of hurting the economy, which in fact they are by discouraging savings.

        Huh? Bond rates have very little to do with the policies of the Fed. The fed sets the interest rate for BORROWING. not borrowing for you and me, but by banks from the fed. gratuitous insult //M They are discouraging savings? DUH! you want people to invest, borrow, and use lines of credit, that’s why you want to keep rates LOW. good job gratuitous insult //M , you figured out why rates are so low. But to just emphasize…bond rates are dictated by the MARKET, or by those who are letting us borrow the money. not by the fed. gratuitous insult //M

        Secondly, there is a real danger in constant increase in th money supply despite your assertions.

        Maybe you don’t understand the basic tenets of economic policy or macro economics….there is NO increase in the money supply. The bonds we issue that a country like China buys goes straight into their central bank holdings and is NOT out on the market. They want to keep the extra dollars off the market so that the value of THEIR holdings doesn’t drop. gratuitous insult //M

        Right ow we are walking a tight rope with inflation and a money supply that is dangerously high. If we cross the line, the value of the dollar plummets, inflation sky rockets and the poor and middle class are hurt the worst.

        The same BS talking points that you and spook have been spewing for the longest time…and yet, rates are at an all time low, and there is low inflation…why is that? you think maybe, just maybe there is no increase in money supply even though bonds are being issued at a higher rate than before? why do you think that all our debt so far hasn’t led to higher inflation? Once again, its called a reserve currency. Look it up.

        I find it hard to believe that you have a college education. You speak as though you haven’t a clue as to how money works,

        gratuitous insult //M

        how a political philosophy that you embrace has only served to restrict individual upward movement and Relegate a country to economic malaise.

        Right……Mr. I don’t know how Macro Economic Policy works. gratuitous insult //M

      • James April 22, 2012 / 6:34 pm

        Shape up or hit the bricks, James. If you can’t post something without sexism and ageism in it then don’t bother because it will be deleted and at some point in the near future if this continues all of your posts will be deleted no matter what they say because of your pattern of getting cut off, temporarily toning down your bigotry and then raising it again till you are deleted again. Enough is enough. //Moderator

      • tiredoflibbs April 22, 2012 / 7:30 pm

        cluster: “Secondly, there is a real danger in constant increase in th money supply despite your assertions.”

        Yes cluster, drones like Tommy-boy just mindlessly regurgitate dumbed down talking points. The Fed is forcibly holding down interest rates. Many experts blame the price rise in oil on the excessive money supply. ObAMATEUR need money for his spending schemes (accumulated debt more than Washington through Clinton combined) then he cranks up the printing presses and takes out his Chinese Bankcard (obAMATEUR’s own words). This results in the DEVALUING of our dollar and the rise in the price of oil (among other things).

        Tommy-boy keeps referring to this imagined “reserve currency” and the “debt doesn’t matter when compared to the GDP”. The problem is the debt as a percentage of GDP is increasing, which is not a good thing despite his dumbed down talking points.

        What’s funny is that the debt/GDP ratio under Bush was lower than than of Clinton and obAMATEUR but liberals loved to complain about the debt during the Bush years, touting the doom and gloom to come. obAMATEUR criticized Bush for his $4 trillion in debt, financing it with his “Bank of China credit card”, complaining that he “kicked the can to our future generations” and that it was “unpatriotic”. But now all those criticism by obAMATEUR, Democrats, bloggers, repeaters, and mindless drones are gone.

        Tommy-boy is just a mindless drone regurgitating nonsense he was spoon-fed. I mean he states that we just “pay them in the very money they gave us, we don’t really give up anything.”. This statement alone shows us his complete ignorance.

        Pathetic.

      • Retired Spook April 22, 2012 / 8:01 pm

        How will it help if the Fed lets interest rates go up even one per cent?

        Why would the fed let interest rates up? you act as if the Fed wants our economy to do badly? Once again, your position is not based on reality.

        James, do you have any idea how much more U.S. debt the Fed can buy?

        The WSJ Op Ed in Question: Demand for U.S. Debt Is Not Limitless

        By Lawrence Goodman | WSJ.com

        The conventional wisdom that nearly infinite demand exists for U.S. Treasury debt is flawed and especially dangerous at a time of record U.S. sovereign debt issuance.

        The recently released Federal Reserve Flow of Funds report for all of 2011 reveals that Federal Reserve purchases of Treasury debt mask reduced demand for U.S. sovereign obligations. Last year the Fed purchased a stunning 61% of the total net Treasury issuance, up from negligible amounts prior to the 2008 financial crisis. This not only creates the false appearance of limitless demand for U.S. debt but also blunts any sense of urgency to reduce supersized budget deficits.

        Still, the outdated notion of never-ending buyers for U.S. debt is perpetuated by many. For instance, in recent testimony before the Senate Budget Committee, former Federal Reserve Board Vice Chairman Alan Blinder said, “If you look at the markets, they’re practically falling over themselves to lend money to the federal government.” Sadly, that’s no longer accurate.

      • Amazona April 23, 2012 / 12:02 am

        My goodness, but “James” is a shrill little thing, isn’t he?

        I asked some questions to see if he might, for a change, know what he is talking about, and he uses that as yet another springboard for snarling insults.

        Having a reserve currency is not Kevlar, protecting us from economic disaster. It gives us a slight edge—until the dollar is replaced by another currency. The odd way he phrased his reference to it indicated to me that he really didn’t understand what it is, tying it into his casual dismissal of debt.

        He goes on to say, in his typically overheated response, in regard to his explanation of why having a reserve currency protects us from problems due to debt, ….when we pay them in the very money they gave us, we don’t really give up anything..

        It sounds like he has found the financial version of a perpetual motion machine. Country A buys our debt, we pay them interest using the same money they lent us, so there is really no cost for the debt. But where is the money we borrowed? If we put it in a coffee can in the back yard, so we can take out the interest amount when we need to make an interest payment, then yes, the interest isn’t really costing us anything out of our own pockets.

        But what happens is that the government borrows the money, and spends the money, then uses taxpayer dollars to make the interest payments. So the “we” making those interest payments DO “really give up” something. Perhaps in some grandiose scheme of things, nothing really matters, it’s dollars in and dollars out and it’s all the same. But in reality, money paid to the government in taxes is then sent to the lending nations, and not being used for domestic purposes. So more taxes are necessary to accomplish the domestic goals of the government. And that’s not enough, so they borrow more money and spend that, and then the taxpayer has to pay even more in taxes to keep up with the interest payments.

        “Jame” just blithely dismisses the source of these dollars that he claims just flow back and forth in some unending circular motion. It is a charming little fantasy of Leftist economics, one that explains a lot about the justification for just spending and borrowing and spending and borrowing—because it all goes in a circle, coming back to us, and “we really don’t give up anything”.

        I asked How will it help if the Fed lets interest rates go up even one per cent? and “James” responded by saying Why would the fed let interest rates up? you act as if the Fed wants our economy to do badly?

        Now that I repeat it, I realize that he didn’t answer the question at all. He dodged it by explaining that the Fed would have to want our economy to do badly to raise the interest rate. Hmmmm. Isn’t that a tacit agreement that raising the interest rate would harm the economy?

        I then ask Please explain the impact on the nation if that were to happen,

        Again, no answer. Not a word about the impact on the nation of rising interest rates. Instead we get an example of Magical Thinking— That will never happen.

        He goes on to explain that “never” really means in 24 months. Or 24 months from when they made their promise. Or the “foreseeable future”. Never, the foreseeable future, “probably 24 months”, whatever. A lot of ground to cover in two sentences. And none of it addressing the problems that will ensue when the Fed DOES raise interest rates.

        Which, according to him will only be because they want to harm the economy. Which wouldn’t matter because ….when we pay them in the very money they gave us, we don’t really give up anything..

    • Canadian Observer April 22, 2012 / 7:19 am

      It would have been geat to have seen the Tea Party produce a strong conservative Presidental candidate with the ability to demolish Romney and run against President Obama; that would have really shown the power of the Tea Party movement. However, it appears that they failed miserably and now y’all will have to suck it up and support the Republican establishment candidate. Sigh…

      • Retired Spook April 22, 2012 / 8:49 am

        CO,

        And you care about this, why? There was never any attempt by the Tea Party as a national organization to recruit or advance a candidate for President. We’re all too busy at the state and local level, building Conservatism from the ground up, and, in a few cases, as I noted above, in attempting to replace less conservative senators and representatives with more conservative ones.

        I think you’re going to be surprised, nay, shocked, at how little Republicans will “have to suck it up” to vote for Romney.

      • Canadian Observer April 22, 2012 / 9:14 am

        Retired Spook April 22, 2012 at 8:49 am #

        CO,

        And you care about this, why?
        ————————————————————————————-

        Well, as I’ve stated many times before, Spook, whatever happens in the U.S. does affect the rest of us, whether we like it or not. It might surprise you to know that other nations actually do take an interest in politics happening outside their own borders and think that being informed is not necessarily a bad thing.

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 9:18 am

        So CO, I would think you would welcome the nomination of a moderate Republican who is a hard working, God fearing, successful self made millionaire as opposed to a lazy, career politician who divides people along societal lines to hide his failures.

      • neocon1 April 22, 2012 / 10:37 am

        the musings of a foreign creep who bashes Sarah Palin and kneepads for a marxist muslim usurper…..do us a favor KO heep your nonsense at home where it belongs eh? frog…ribit

      • Amazona April 22, 2012 / 2:25 pm

        Yes, neo, the Canadiots do love to stick their noses into our business, don’t they? I personally doubt that CO is Canadian, but is probably posing as such because the radical Left assumes everyone is as starstruck and groveling for foreign approval as they are.

      • James April 22, 2012 / 2:33 pm

        Spook,

        local politics is fine and dandy, but things get done on a national level.

        a conservative state senator in Indiana can’t do much about our foreign policy or federal tax system.

        have at it! change all the local level personnel you want!

      • Amazona April 22, 2012 / 2:55 pm

        “James” thank you so much for your explanation of how our government works. Here we were thinking that legislation takes place in the House and the Senate, meaning that the makeup of Congress has some effect on what laws are passed.

        And we thought the Senate has to approve treaties! Silly silly us, eh, ” James” ? Perhaps you will continue to educate us, from your lofty position of superior geographic location and vast education.

        Who does make laws, such as tax laws? Who does oversee treaties with foreign nations? Just who, specifically, ” on the national level” DOES have responsibility and authority in these areas?

      • James April 22, 2012 / 5:20 pm

        Amazona,

        You’re lucky today, my exception expires at 6 pm eastern time, so take advantage of this opportunity to get yourself some knowledge. gratuitous insult //M

        “James” thank you so much for your explanation of how our government works. Here we were thinking that legislation takes place in the House and the Senate, meaning that the makeup of Congress has some effect on what laws are passed.

        That is true. But unfortunately, that’s not what Spook was referring to, and neither was I. State and Local politics are oftentimes different than national politics. Example. The governor of Indiana won his state in 2008 pretty easily….at the same time, Indiana on the same day voted for Obama….hmm…odd isn’t it. In many states, local and national politics are divorced from each other.

        And we thought the Senate has to approve treaties! Silly silly us, eh, ” James” ?

        who ever mentioned treaties? since when do treaties encompass ALL our foreign policy? gratuitous insult //M I don’t remember the President coming to the Senate for approval for talks with Iran, or North Korea, or withdrawal from Iraq, or the no fly zone in Libya….read your constitution, gratuitous insult //M
        Perhaps you will continue to educate us, from your lofty position of superior geographic location and vast education.

        Coming from the lady who claims to live next to millionaires and calls them close friends. Coming from the lady who brags about her personal stories of success and her families success despite no formal education. Coming from the lady who….ah.. gratuitous insult //M

        Who does make laws, such as tax laws?

        again, look at my response above. national politics and local politics often don’t mesh.

        Who does oversee treaties with foreign nations?

        again, see above.

        gratuitous insult //M
        Thanks for playing!

      • Amazona April 23, 2012 / 12:26 am

        As usual, “James” wallows in overheated rhetoric.

        Coming from the lady who claims to live next to millionaires and calls them close friends. Coming from the lady who brags about her personal stories of success and her families success despite no formal education. …

        Not quite sure what all this is supposed to mean. For one thing, the first statement is simply a lie. Well, the first part of it is just inaccurate. I USED to live next to, not millionaires, but BILLIONAIRES. Yes, “James”, with a B. Anyone with much land in that part of the country is a millionaire, either in the bank or in the value of his land. Evidently you have no idea of land values in certain parts of the country. Being a millionaire is no big deal around there, though most of the people prefer to live quietly with no ostentation.

        Those who keep up with the buying trends of the very very rich would know where they are spending their money. I will be happy to email, to people who also post here, the names of the three billionaires with whom I shared fence lines and the fourth who moved into the county and pestered me to sell him my riverfront land. They can vouch for the fact that two of these names are quite famous and two are known to people who know such things.

        And I don’t live there any more. I shared fence lines with three Billionaires, and never once claimed to be friends, much less “close friends” with any of them. I didn’t particularly like them, though we got along OK when we ran into each other, which was not often. They would fly in for a few days at a time, and the ranches were run by hired help. I not only never claimed friendship with any of them, I repeatedly stated, when “James” would sneer at the idea of me living near such wealth and at his own fantasy that I claimed friendship with the rich and famous, that on the contrary I had no friendship with any of them.

        When I wanted to sell, I got along with them well enough for two of them to make me, shall I say, very happy. Not billionaire-B-happy, but happy. I don’t know the financial status of my new neighbors, nor do I care. Unlike “James” I do not judge people by their financial worth.

        So in one sentence, or sentence fragment, he has two mistakes and one lie. Pretty impressive, even for “James”.

        As for the second sentence fragment, well, it’s ain’t bragging if it’s true. Though he manages to get a lie in that one, too. My very successful brother has little formal education. I do have. I think his winkie is in a twist because my brother has made millions by being smart, innovative, ambitious, and being his own boss, while “James” is a flunky for someone like my brother. Poor baby.

        And if “James” did refer to me as being Midwestern, that is just more rebuttal to his claims of being so highly educated. Both Colorado and Wyoming are Western, not Midwestern. Duh.

      • tiredoflibbs April 23, 2012 / 6:15 am

        Ama, Tommy-boys (james) sounds like these Occupy-anywhere for anything idiots, who felt that the country owed them something because they had some formal education. Some of them had college degrees but could not find a job (thanks to obAMATEUR policies) but they “deserved” and were “owed” that job. They could not find one (or one did not fall into their lap) so they blamed “the evil rich” and “the Jews” for their predicament – like good little mindless drones.

        Their belief (and Tommy-boy’s) is that someone who succeeds, without “formal education”, became successful because of their greedy and nefarious actions and not through hard work and determination – something drones like Tommy-boy and the Occupy-Anywhere idiots don’t accept or refuse to do.

        He is very angry and envious of others’ success, which plays into the hands of obAMATEUR and the Democrats wealth envy and class warfare schtick.

        Pathetic.

      • Majordomo Pain April 23, 2012 / 3:23 pm

        “We’re all too busy at the state and local level, building Conservatism from the ground up”

        Ah, yes, with the help of FreedomWorks.

      • Amazona April 23, 2012 / 8:29 pm

        Major pain, do you have a problem with Freedom Works? You, yourselves, dead and/or alive—-do you all agree on your opinion?

        It’s the name, perhaps? The message of the name? Too uncomfortable for one—or however many you are—-such as You.

      • Majordomo Pain April 24, 2012 / 7:57 am

        Amazona,

        We, Ourselves, of the Collective, have no problem with Freedom or Work. These are both things which Human Beings need to thrive. What is curious to Us is that the Tea Party are seeking conservative outsiders while they are being organized by a group of former Washington insiders like Richard Armey.

        As for the Collective, We are what We are; dead and alive; hive bound and individual; automatic and meditating. We, Ourselves, seek Peace by way of action with a goal to each individual Human Being being respected and having every opportunity for success, both in Life and in Afterlife.

    • Retired Spook April 22, 2012 / 8:43 am

      There’s an interesting dynamic at work here, and I’m not sure why the Conservatives in Utah got upset with Hatch. His lifetime ACU rating is 90%, and 100% in 2010 and 2011. Murkowski, by comparison, has a lifetime rating of 68%, and was 73% in 2010 and 50% in 2011. Hatch may talk to those on the other side of the aisle, but it doesn’t appear that he votes with them very often.

      The Tea Party in Indiana is attempting to unseat Richard Lugar, who was in the same 1976 freshman class along with Hatch. Lugar has a lifetime ACU rating of 77% and was 71% in 2010 and 75% in 2011. I think there’s a 50/50 chance that the challenger, Richard Mourdock, a 2-term State Treasurer, will knock off Lugar in the May 8th primary. Lugar has left himself vulnerable in a number of areas, not the least of which was a Senate ethics violation where he filed a required Indiana semi-annual Business Entity Report on his family farm from his senate office in Indianapolis. When caught, he quickly re-filed it from the office of the farm management company in Nebraska that manages the affairs of the farm. He claimed no-harm, no-foul and got a pass from the powers that be. I’m hoping the voters of Indiana won’t be so cavalier on May 8th.

      • J. R. Babcock April 22, 2012 / 9:09 am

        Spook,

        Living next door to Utah in Idaho, I can tell you that the voters of Utah are upset that Hatch has voted to extend the debt ceiling something like 16 times. You’re right that he talks to the other side of the aisle but doesn’t vote with them often. He does, however, make a big deal about being friends with them. He and Ted Kennedy were good friends, and a lot of Utah voters saw that as akin to being friends with the Boston Strangler. Hatch also speaks in conciliatory tones most of the time, giving the impression, at least, that he just really doesn’t have any strong core convictions. I don’t think that’s true, but that’s the way it’s perceived. At the end of the day, I’d be surprised if Hatch loses his seat.

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 9:26 am

        Hatch is much like McCain here in AZ, who definitely has to go. He and Hatch have simply been there too long and are immersed inside the DC bubble with little connection anymore to the real world. At this point, both politicians believe that these Senate seats are their right, and that where the problems begin. Unfortunately, AZ is losing our best Senator this year in John Kyl who is retiring.

      • neocon1 April 22, 2012 / 10:33 am

        WikiLeaks: McCain knew Obama team stuffed ballot boxes bribed Jackson took Russian money in 2008
        Coach Is Right ^ | 4/22/2012 | Kevin “Coach” Collins

        According to internal Emails circulated among the staff at Stratfor, an Austin Texas based private intelligence gathering firm, John McCain was presented with proof that Democrats in Pennsylvania and Ohio used voter fraud to win those states and committed other disturbing crimes. The communiqués were stolen and made public by WikiLeaks.

        An Email dated November 7, 2008 under the subject line “ Insight – The Dems & Dirty Tricks ** Internal Use Only – Pls Do Not Forward **,” was sent by Fred Burton, Stratfor’s V.P. of Intelligence. It said in part, The black Dems were caught stuffing the ballot boxes in Philly and Ohio as reported the night of the election and Sen. McCain chose not to fight. The matter is not dead inside the party. It now becomes a matter of sequence now as to how and when to “out”.

        Burton also mentioned a “six-figure” Democrat donation/bribe to Jesse Jackson to buy his silence about Israel. On October 14, 2008 Jackson told fellow attendees in at the World Policy Forum in Evian France a ‘President Obama’ would “remove the clout of Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades.”

        Burton continued with an explosive charge he apparently considered quite believable, The hunt is on for the sleezy Russian money into O-mans coffers. A smoking gun has already been found. Will get more on this when the time is right. My source was too giddy to continue. Can you say Clinton and ChiCom funny money? This also becomes a matter of how and when to out.

      • neocon1 April 22, 2012 / 2:14 pm

        pure low class filth

        Revealed! Michelle Obama Masterminded Ann Romney Mom Smear!

        Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:01:04 PM · by Nachum
        National Enquirer ^ | 4/22/12 | Rick Eguisquiza
        Political sources revealed to The ENQUIRER that MICHELLE OBAMA brain-stormed the scheme to sic a pit bull strategist on the GOP contender’s wife ANN ROMNEY and it backfired! Talking head Hilary Rosen set off a firestorm when she mocked Mitt Romney for relying on his wife for advice on the economy, sniping that Ann – who raised five sons, has battled breast cancer and suffers from mul­tiple sclerosis – “never worked a day in her life

      • Amazona April 22, 2012 / 2:22 pm

        What about the fact that embezzler John Corzine is still bundling “donations” to the Obama campaign?

      • neocon1 April 22, 2012 / 2:26 pm

        News Flash: Michelle Obama Started the War-On-Women, Now She’s in Barry’s “Dog House”
        Michelle Obama’s Mirror ^ | 4-22-2012 | MOTUS

        Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:40:57 PM by NOBO2012

        Don’t say I didn’t try to steer you in the right direction regarding Lady M’s fingerprints being all over the “War Against Republican Women named Ann”…

        .Did I not tell you that Hilary Rosen really didn’t appreciate being thrown under that bus? Generally in this town – especially if
        you’re in charge – you can get away with dissing a lot of people. Butt a menopausal lesbian militant feminist? Good luck with that, I don’t care who you are…

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 2:45 pm

        Was it kind of like your “uneducated underclass” comment from the other day? Or similar to your many ageist comments your so fond of?

      • Majordomo Pain April 24, 2012 / 8:03 am

        Neocon,
        These are the sorts of people you are relying upon for information.

        This from STRATFOR:

        Real interest rates are negative (i.e. below inflation), and the Fed and
        Treasury are every day loosening their definition of what’s possible.
        These factors are very inflationary, although not in an immediate
        sense. In the immediate present, investors are fleeing stocks for the
        perceived safety of bonds. As another wave or two of price inflation
        hits, that perception of safety will erode drastically. Investors will
        demand higher interest rates to compensate. Rapid issuance of Treasury
        bonds to cover ballooning obligations (plus bailouts) will also drive
        interest rates up. Bonds of all stripes should suffer heavily in the
        next couple years. Look to short Treasuries and Eurodollar CD’s over
        the coming months, especially if the Fed cuts its target rate further.
        There are also easy to use ETF’s that will track the inverse movement of
        key interest rates. You just buy shares and sit on em.

        Not sure if this screws anybody else, but it will personally make you money.

        Fred Burton wrote:
        > How do I personally make money and screw everybody else is what every
        > rational Stratfor subscriber is thinking today (like me.)

  2. Amazona April 22, 2012 / 2:20 pm

    Even if Hatch retains his seat, the message is clear——-stick to constitutional conservative govenment or fight to keep your seat and have every Liberal vote used to try to replace you. He doesn’t have to lose to get the message.

    Interesting to see that the Libs, from Barry allllllll the way down to “James”, are admitting that it takes claiming conservative principles to get elected and that they can only come out of the closet and openly act to implement Liberal policies when they have nothing to lose.

    In other words, Americans won’t vote for Liberalism but have to be tricked into putting Libs in power.

      • neocon1 April 22, 2012 / 3:02 pm

        A MUST SEE………

        If I Wanted America To Fail
        Today is Earth Day – celebrated by communists…err…environmentalists and also (coincidentally or not), Vladimir Ilich Lenin’s birthday. Just in time for the celebration, an excellent video produced by

        http://www.freemarketamerica.org

      • neocon1 April 22, 2012 / 3:06 pm

        GREAT……..Paul Harvey

      • Retired Spook April 22, 2012 / 3:42 pm

        Geez, I totally forgot about Earth Day. Guess I’ll go out and cut down a tree to celebrate.

      • neocon1 April 22, 2012 / 3:45 pm

        yeah Im going to burn a huge pile of leaves, may throw on a tire or two.

    • James April 22, 2012 / 5:21 pm

      gratuitous insult //M

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 6:04 pm

        James, how about if you just go outside and scream at some conservatives, or find some Midwestern women and/or farmers and tell them that they are part of the uneducated underclass.

        I am sure you can find somewhere to vent all the hate that is raging inside you. Good luck

      • James April 22, 2012 / 6:37 pm

        gratuitous insults //M

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 7:07 pm

        James, tell us all again how there is NO increase in the money supply. I always like it when you tell that story.

      • James April 22, 2012 / 7:21 pm

        gratuitous insults //M

      • Cluster April 22, 2012 / 7:30 pm

        James, read up on quantitive easing and get back with me.

      • tiredoflibbs April 22, 2012 / 7:34 pm

        Another response to tommy-boy from cluster:

        And the Feds policies have kep rates artificially low, and it has been the IMF that Is calling for a replacement of the dollar.

        http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/shocking-new-imf-report-the-u-s-dollar-needs-to-be-replaced-as-the-world-reserve-currency-and-that-sdrs-could-constitute-an-embryo-of-global-currency

        James you are just too stupid to have a discussion with, so have a nice day and remember to brush your teeth in the morning.

      • Amazona April 23, 2012 / 12:30 am

        If I were to imagine “James” verbally conveying what he does on this blog, I think he would sound like that latest Mel Gibson rant.

  3. Cluster April 22, 2012 / 7:10 pm

    I think we can all thank James for so clearly demonstrating the misogyny, the stupidity, and the utter disdain liberals have for those who have the temerity to have a different world view. It truly makes one wonder why they call themselves “progressives” when in reality, they are certainly “regressive”.

    • James April 22, 2012 / 7:22 pm

      gratuitous insult, racism //M

  4. Cluster April 22, 2012 / 7:28 pm

    We have the largest and most vibrant economy in the world and are no where close to the apocalypse you predict and desire” – James

    You have to wonder if James even reads current journals, periodicals or newspapers. George Soros, not exactly a conservative or in opposition to the Obama agenda, has even expressed serious concern of a financial collapse.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/shocking-new-imf-report-the-u-s-dollar-needs-to-be-replaced-as-the-world-reserve-currency-and-that-sdrs-could-constitute-an-embryo-of-global-currency

    James, is George Soros an idiot too?

    • James April 22, 2012 / 7:35 pm

      gratuitous insult //M

    • tiredoflibbs April 22, 2012 / 9:05 pm

      Again, Tommy-boy’s (James’) posts have been easily and thoroughly debunked, yet again. This is too easy.

      But it clearly demonstrates the proggies’ and drones’ inability to grasp the concept of “repeating the same action and expecting a different result” and “repeating a lie long enough won’t make it the truth” (though that will apply to weak minded individuals).

      SInce he can’t win his arguments he has resorting to gratuitous insults, bigotry and personal attacks – those posts are being deleted, then he will act completely surprised and whine when he is banned for such behavior (like wally who still cannot grasp the concept).

      Pathetic.

    • bozo April 23, 2012 / 6:54 am

      We have the largest and most vibrant economy in the world and are no where close to the apocalypse you predict and desire” – James

      You know, when you quote “gratuitous insults” like this, you just make it harder for the moderator to scrub it all clean, and make James seem just a little less crazy.

      I’m all for the TEA Party continuing to exert it’s influence like this. However, Breitbart is rolling in his grave. Andy, we hardly knew ye.

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 6:59 am

        blowzo

        the donks have a better field?

        we now have dumb and dumber, with hillery, in the wings, and who can forget the band aid bandit? sure a deep field there blowzo. Maybe you can wun bwany fwank after he marries his gay boyfriend…..

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 7:11 am

        blowzo

        make James *seem* just a little less crazy.

        *SEEM* is the defining word………

      • bozo April 23, 2012 / 7:18 am

        “after he marries his gay boyfriend”

        Jealous? I for one am glad he’s not marrying his straight boyfriend…that could be awkward…

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 7:23 am

        blowzo

        ill leave the jealousy to you,
        straight, crooked, homosexual, all the same to you donks, the party of dopers, pole smokers, thieves and commies…..you must be so proud.

  5. GMB April 22, 2012 / 7:57 pm

    Beautiful here on the farm. Even if it is a litlle cold. I am available to be yelled at. 🙂

    • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 7:08 am

      As the debt grows, government’s interest burden grows with it. The more of our tax dollars consumed by interest, the fewer dollars available for discretionary spending. What’s worse, more pressure is then exerted to use tax increases to fund mandatory spending programs, such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. To illustrate how the interest burden is growing, consider this: in 1963, the federal government spent just 6.9 percent of its total budget on net interest. By 1993, the total interest outlay was 14.1 percent of total spending. But judging interest as a percentage of spending is not the real story. We all know government spends more than it collects. The federal interest burden exists simply because government, like you and me, must actually service its debt. Interest, of course, represents the cost of debt service.

      To see a true measure of the problem, we should examine interest payments as a percentage of revenue collected, not as a percentage of total spending. Congress only spent a total of $92.642 billion in 1963. What’s more, the federal government ran a very small deficit. As a result, the amount of interest paid as a percentage of revenue collected was still around 6 percent. By 1993, however, Congress collected $1.153 trillion, and spent $292.502 billion on net interest. That puts the interest component of total federal revenue at 25.3 percent of revenue collected. As you can see, that is nearly double the less telling number of 14.1 percent.

      This problem is exacerbated when we add to the mix the question of entitlements. Entitlements include those programs which guarantee a payment to citizens. Chief among them are Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, but entitlements also include federal pensions of every description. As these mandatory spending demands increase along with interest payments, the government’s latitude to spend elsewhere, including for defense, is greatly inhibited. Consider this observation from the opening remarks of the Final Report of the Bipartisan Commission on Entitlement and Tax Reform. At page 4, we are handed this most sobering bulletin: “The gap between federal spending and revenues is growing rapidly. Absent policy changes, entitlement spending and interest on the national debt will consume almost all Federal revenues in 2010. In 2030, Federal revenues will not even cover entitlement spending.” (emphasis added)

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 7:19 am

        But, like the sky diver falling without a parachute, the danger for the US economy lies not in the present while tumbling through space but at some point in the future when the ground makes its presence known. It’s inevitable that the economy will pick up steam and with growth will come a rise in interest rates. Even small increases in rates can have a profound impact on the interest we pay on the debt.

        Right now the interest payment on the national debt is about $242 billion a year. Interest rate increases over the next decade have the capability of causing the interest on the national debt to exceed $1 TRILLION a year! Chew on this number for a while. This amount represents mandatory spending that does not go towards any social program, military asset, or regulatory agency. These billions pay investors in the US debt of which almost 50% are now foreigners (mostly the central banks of China, Japan, the United Kingdom and Brazil).

        There is a very real possibility of a spiraling and out of control situation to develop as the interest on the national debt becomes bigger. Growing entitlement programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid) combined with the increased interest payments could cause mandatory spending to exceed total government revenue. At this point the government’s ability to manage the debt would become even more difficult from a budgetary and political standpoint. The remaining choices, massive cuts in discretionary spending (including defense), massive cuts in entitlement benefits, and/or massive tax increases would become ever more drastic and unpopular. Just like today there would be government gridlock, indecision, and political pettiness all resulting in action that will be too little, too late. Meanwhile, the spiral continues, with increased budget deficits creating an ever larger national debt with increased interest payments

        What happens then? The problem is that nobody really knows, not even Dr. Krugman. There is a great amount of debate among economists about how big the national debt burden could become and when the economy would become negatively affected. There is evidence that among industrialized countries, those with national debt below 60% of GDP had better annual economic growth (3-4%) than those with debts of 90% or more of GDP (1.6%). Though it’s unclear whether the larger debts were due to a slower economy and a decrease in tax revenues, the possibility remains for a negative impact on economic growth. Krugman further tries to differentiate debt held by households from the national debt.

      • bozo April 23, 2012 / 7:19 am

        (emphasis not added)

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 7:25 am

        intelligence missing

  6. Retired Spook April 23, 2012 / 9:12 am

    Interesting new Pew research that seems to confirm the Left/right interaction we see on this blog.

    • J. R. Babcock April 23, 2012 / 11:39 am

      Spook,

      This portion of your linked article is quite telling:

      Much of this polling and survey work has been backed up by novel research from the University of Virginia.

      UVA researchers have used a massive online survey to show that conservatives better understand the ideas of liberals than vice versa. The results are described in a new book by UVA researcher Jonathan Haidt, “Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion.”

      The book uses a variety of data to argue that conservatives have a balanced set of moral intuitions, while liberals are focused on aiding victims, fairness and individual liberty. Conservatives recognize how liberals think because they share those intuitions, but liberals don’t understand how conservatives think because they don’t recognize conservatives’ additional intuitions about loyalty, authority and sanctity, Haidt argues.

      I would, however, question liberals concern for individual liberty, at least anyone’s individual liberty except their own. And to the list of conservatives’ intuitions of loyalty, authority and sanctity, I would add honor and intellectual honesty. I would also argue that, before liberals are concerned with aiding victims, they are concerned about creating victims.

      • Retired Spook April 23, 2012 / 2:24 pm

        J.R.,

        I’d add a couple more: trust and duty.

    • tiredoflibbs April 23, 2012 / 12:56 pm

      Actually, cluster I would say that this is the UNUnited States of the Banana Republic, since obAMATEUR has done nothing to unite us!

      Which if you remember, he was going to UNITE the “divide” caused by Bush, heal the planet, stop the oceans from rising, end the wars, pay down the debt – you know accomplish everything short of walking on water.

      All we see now is a pResident who is using class warfare – rich vs poor, any minority vs white, Christians vs non-Christians, on and on and on. That is all he has left, since he has been a complete failure in all his promises and policies. He has no positive record to run on.

  7. GMB April 23, 2012 / 10:54 am

    When will conservatives start rioting? When will conservatives start thier mass demonstrations? A one week general strike by conservatives would do more damage than all the lefty strikes, riots, boycotts, or whatever put together for a decade. To the pocketbooks of the taxeaters that is.

    barky is taking a shredder to our Constitution and the repubs are calling him a nice guy or well meaning.

    Say what?

    • Cluster April 23, 2012 / 11:20 am

      I think the usual mild mannered, center right conservatives, who are the majority of this country, are definitely taking note of this rogue regime and their thuggish ways, and will quietly but unequivocally, vote them out of office in November.

      • GMB April 23, 2012 / 11:27 am

        Until then you are just going to sit back and do nothing while the GOP controlled House of Represenatives keep funding barkys programs?

        Not even a stern letter to the editor?

      • Cluster April 23, 2012 / 11:39 am

        Knock yourself out GMB, as for me, I am more methodical. A letter to the editor will accomplish nothing, but a smart strategy and patience will. But we have to stay focused and stick to the plan.

        Below is a very good and concise summary of what liberalism is all about, and then the article is a must read:

        “The new regime”—his name for progressive apparatchiks who run California’s government—”wants to destroy the essential reason why people move to California in order to protect their own lifestyles.”

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304444604577340531861056966.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

      • GMB April 23, 2012 / 12:12 pm

        Cluster. I understand what liberalism is all about. It is about the total subjagation of the individual to the will of the government. It is about making the people fearing the government. Not the other way around.

        California is a hellhole because it is “the will of people” There is not one GOP member that holds a statewide office. The California GOP is as impotent as political body on this earth. Maybe they should change the tactics they use instead of crossing the isle and compromising.

        What say you?

      • Cluster April 23, 2012 / 12:26 pm

        Don’t disagree, but it sounds to me like the California GOP has no plan.

      • bozo April 24, 2012 / 9:54 am

        Crank up the Spinal Tap:

        “It’s better in a hell hole
        You know where you stand in a hell hole
        Folks lend a hand in a hell hole
        Girl get me back to my hell hole”

        Love my liberal California hellhole. Really love how in two paragraphs you can describe completely opposite notions of it. Liberalism is “total subjagation of the individual to the will of the government.” And then in the next paragraph “California is a hellhole because it is ‘the will of people’.” Ergo, California must not be liberal since the people, and not the government, rule? Or is it the will of Californians to not get their way? Our will is that Moonbeam takes away our rights?

        Classic.

      • Amazona April 25, 2012 / 10:00 am

        freakzo, how did California come to be governed by the Left?

        Didn’t Californians vote them in?

        Aren’t they in office thanks to “the will of the people”?

        And if these particular people are happy to have their liberties eroded because they get government handouts in return, isn’t that “the will of the people”?

        You actually almost said something right, for a change, though you just tripped over it in your eagerness to show how snotty you can be.

        Ergo, California must not be liberal since the people, and not the government, rule? Or is it the will of Californians to not get their way? Our will is that Moonbeam takes away our rights?

        OK, the first sentence is just freakzo snot. But the second is veering close to the truth, in a typically freakzo convoluted way. It is the will of enough Californians to trade some of their liberties for government benefits and the joy of socking it to those damned “rich”.

        Why don’t you stop your sneering and address facts? Does a government which is extremely large and powerful, imposing regulations and restrictions and edicts, taking vast amounts of personal wealth from individuals to fund these efforts, result in less personal liberty?

        Yes or no?

  8. bardolf April 23, 2012 / 1:30 pm

    “Reports of the death of the TEA Party are greatly exaggerated”

    There’s a rule in life that says you’re either growing or you’re dying.- Lou Holtz

    So the TEA Party is alive, but dying. The fundamental problem is the Taxed Enough Already slogan wasn’t joined with We Are Still Spending Too Much. Obama played the house GOP like a cheap hooker on coke. The SS holiday pretty much showed the GOP to not unconcerned with being fiscally prudent. The GOP concern for the economy is clearly second to getting elected a few more times. The diffusion of responsibility, the hey everyone is taking pork for their districts cut the TEA Party off at the knees.

    Hatch will win handily in Utah so he need not worry ever again about appearing conservative enough. He’ll cross the aisle more than ever since he will feel harassed by the TEA Party. His future on the speaking circuit and invitations to galas pretty much demand a move leftward.

    B4V Matt endorsed Newton. If someone can point to sacrifices that Newt said would be necessary it would be news to me. That can probably be said of Mitt as well.

    • Cluster April 23, 2012 / 2:00 pm

      I would submit to you stool that the two budgets that Ryan and the GOP House passed are clear examples of their effort to bring fiscal responsibility to the nation. Interesting that you said Obama played them like cheap hookers, which is true and clearly demonstrates Obama’s lack of interest in doing anything productive for this country, and his disdain for any alternative view points.

      Rest assured that the GOP will keep the House, probably take the Senate from the brain dead Harry Reid, and kick Obama so far out in the street his head will spin. Maybe then the GOP, reminiscent of 1994, will again bring fiscal responsibility back.

      And just because the tea party doesn’t throw tantrums, or vandalize anything, doesn’t mean that they are dead. They are very much alive, and still doing the heavy lifting this country requires, while ivory tower morons like you continue to whine from the cheap seats.

      • bardolf April 23, 2012 / 2:28 pm

        “Maybe then the GOP, reminiscent of 1994, will again bring fiscal responsibility back.”

        Believing that the GOP was fiscally responsible in 1994 is why people like yourself need an education.

        Unfortunately, people like you clamoring for tax cuts and spending cuts which don’t make you more independent have killed the GOP chances of taking back the Senate and WH.

        If is phony fiscal conservatism, lying to people that they don’t need to cut back on their share of government handouts that has ballooned the deficit.

        Your points are refuted simply by your childish name calling and use of cliches like ivory tower, cheap seats, heavy lifting and tantrums. You can get a computer to generate that kind of mindless drivel.

      • Cluster April 23, 2012 / 2:43 pm

        I really don’t know what you just said stool, but we did have balanced budgets with the Newt led House, we did have an acceptable debt to GDP ratio, and welfare reform went a long way to roll back entitlement spending, etc. So considering the environment we have today, the mid 90’s are certainly a picture of fiscal responsibility.

        Re: your mindless drivel of tax cuts, spending cuts etc, don’t make you more independent (again I have no idea what you mean by that), it’s imperative that we reform and flatten the tax code, dropping rates and eliminating a lot of exemptions which does need to coincide with big spending cuts, or at the very least cuts in the rates of growth. That is of course unless you think the GSA needs more money.

        Leave the governing to the adults stool, you are clearly best suited for whining.

      • Cluster April 23, 2012 / 2:48 pm

        Actually I now think you lashed out at me – claiming that fiscally prudent GOP will never take back the Senate and WH – because you may have taken exception at me calling out the dumb f**k currently in WH who is clearly more interested in foaming up people like you rather than responsible governance.

        In fact, Obama stopped governing last summer preferring the campaign trail instead where he can swoon young heads full of mush.

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 4:07 pm

        Your references to “Chicongo” have been removed, hoping you would catch on and stop using this offensive word. Since you have not done this, it will be done for you. //Moderator

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 4:19 pm

        baldork

        There’s a rule in life that says you’re either growing or you’re dying.- Lou Holtz

        actually it is a rule of BUSINESS not life……..
        also the TEA “party” is NOT a “PARTY” at all………..now back to the basket weaving.

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 4:43 pm

        not so hard at all…….

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 4:47 pm

        This guy has got it………..

      • Count d'Haricots April 23, 2012 / 5:26 pm

        Nice retort ‘dolf, get much traction with that argument?

        First off, the 1994 Republican congress was quite successful at restoring some fiscal sanity to the federal government; as we are aware the deficits dropped significantly during the period from 1995 through 1999 until the dot-com-bust slowed the economy into deficit (Q3 2000) and ultimately recession. They (the Republicans) were not as disciplined as I would have liked, and just as the dimocrats did during the Reagan years, began to squander their new found wealth before the assets actually hit the books.

        I haven’t a clue what “cuts and spending cuts which don’t make you more independent” is supposed to mean so its hard to debate that; I could simply say the cheeselog is hovering and consider that I’ve successfully countered your argument and defy you to prove otherwise.

        The TEA Party is very much alive and very active; I attend or conference with three different groups in my area and all three are active in local and statewide issues, and are supporting TEA candidates around the country. As Cluster has pointed out, we don’t make the evening news but we work hard to change the culture of spending. We are grassroots and it’s from the roots that change will happen.

        One more thing; I leave for a few days and you all seem to go off the rails.

        Reserve currency is held as part of the Treasury to deal with currency exchanges, it is not Obama’s Private Stash; it does not add one thin dime to the federal assets; it is not something held in reserve to deal with financial crises. It’s value is either in native currency or exchanged currency, but it is worth no more or less than the total equity of the asset diverted and counted.

        Reserve currency is comparable to the local bank having rolls of quarters to make change.

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 5:50 pm

        NY Times: Obama to Expand Use of Executive Power and Bypass Congress More

        “Aides say many more such moves are coming.”

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 5:51 pm

        Van Jones to Conservatives: ‘How Many American Children Are You Willing to Kill for a Job?’

        “Why don’t we stand up for our principles?”

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 6:00 pm

        marco RUBE-eO ? for VP?

        how about this Man….?

        Allen West: Muslim Brotherhood & Other Extremist Groups Are Influencing U.S. Strategy

        “We have to understand that when tolerance becomes a one-way street it leads to cultural suicide.”

      • Canadian Observer April 23, 2012 / 6:36 pm

        how about this Man….? Neocon

        —————————————————————————
        Oh yes, Mr. Romney… please, please, please, chose Allen West for your running mate. With a strong pick like him for your VP, you’ll be a shoo in for Pres. Neocon guarantees it!

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 6:47 pm

        K0

        stick to arguing with frog-marxist idiots, suits you to a T

      • Cluster April 23, 2012 / 6:55 pm

        It would be difficult to have a worse VP than Biden

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 6:55 pm

        the looney left loosing it more every day…….

        Chris Matthews Calls Republican Party “The Grand Wizard Crowd”

        After arguing with MSNBC contributor and former chairman of the RNC Michael Steele over Mitt Romney being a “flat-earther,” Chris Matthews called the Republican party the “Grand Wizard crowd.”

        gee chrissie sleep through American history class?
        or are you a dupe from Kanada?

        http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 7:04 pm

        Ooh Cluster be careful this IS the democRAT party we are talking about……….LOL

        It would be difficult to have a worse VP than Biden

        harry, nancy, mad max, cynthia, bwany, hillary, the list goes of for about three pages 🙂
        dumber? NO , worse? yup….

      • Amazona April 23, 2012 / 8:20 pm

        Count, I just asked how the reserve currency could help in a financial crisis to see what “James” would have to say.

      • Retired Spook April 23, 2012 / 10:43 pm

        I thought what James was referring to was the fact that the U.S. dollar is the world’s reserve currency.

  9. bagni April 23, 2012 / 7:01 pm

    mark neo
    muslim bro-hood definitely pulling strings at the pentagon
    and so far they’ve gotten the obamster to surge in afghan land
    they increased all those predator strikes in the region
    the brotherhood was definitely in charge when special forces snuck in to kill bin laden
    and that air war in libya? they were in on that too….

    neo……you and west are surely blowing bubbles out of the same bong

    as always
    love and kisses…..
    ::))

    • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 7:09 pm

      na nu nanu dork

      zip lost the whole ME to the MB, including lybia.
      bin laden? predator? just muzzies killing different sects of muzzies happens a thousand times a day…….yet hands off syria and iran…. ahh the ignorance of the public educated useful idiots in full bloom….

    • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 7:15 pm

      nanu nanu dork

      thanks Ubama

      Iran making overtures to China on access to US drone technology

      While the Iranians claim they’ve reverse-engineered the American drone that went down last year inside its borders,

      Fox News has learned that Tehran is making overtures to the Chinese to potentially give them access to the sensitive drone technology. The drone’s stealth coating, which resists detection by radar, is of particular interest to the Chinese, who also sought access to a stealth U.S. helicopter tail from Pakistan after the Usama bin Laden raid. A former intelligence official earlier told Fox News it’s unlikely the Iranians could figure out how to recreate the drone, despite their c

    • Amazona April 23, 2012 / 8:23 pm

      One again, I point out that of the two literary names who effectively ignored the Shift key, baggy is definitely not e e cummings.

  10. GMB April 23, 2012 / 7:23 pm

    Whats the matter the CO? You don’t like the smell of Wild Roses? lolzer 😛

    • Canadian Observer April 23, 2012 / 8:11 pm

      Some folk can become intoxicated by the fragrance of wild roses, GMB. :}

      • neocon1 April 23, 2012 / 8:18 pm

        K0

        and some people are just stupid…….your point?

  11. bagni April 23, 2012 / 11:42 pm

    mark neo
    i found this list on some liberal site pissed at obamster for not being liberal enough
    you should love this list……
    i don’t think you give the guy enough credit……cmon dickweed get on the goodfoot….
    ::))

    Signed the NDAA into law — assassinating US citizens w/o trial now legal
    – Waged war on Libya without congressional approval
    – Started a covert, drone war in Yemen
    – Escalated the proxy war in Somalia
    – Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan
    – Will maintain a presence in Iraq even after “ending” war
    – Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan
    – Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries
    – Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia
    – Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia
    – Touted nuclear power, even after the disaster in Japan
    – Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster
    – Did a TV commercial promoting “clean coal”
    – Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports
    – Signed the Patriot Act extension into law
    – Continued Bush’s rendition program

    oh and zona??
    i’m certainly not eecummings
    and you’re certainly not dan quayle….lloyd bentsen or jack kennedy

    • neocon1 April 24, 2012 / 7:11 pm

      I agree with them, he is a useless POS, lets kick the nasty twerp out.

    • Amazona April 25, 2012 / 1:22 am

      As I said, only two characters have used lower case exclusively, with style, and not appeared stupid while doing so.

      One was e e cummings and one was a cockroach.

      And you are no e e cummings

      • bagni April 25, 2012 / 11:18 am

        zona
        i never said i was stylish
        and could never compete with your style…..
        ::))

    • neocon1 April 24, 2012 / 7:10 pm

      nanu nanu dork

      was this the obamster?

      he wouldnt know a computer virus from VD unless the computer was named larry and was a laptop in the back seat of a limo…..

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