What??

Have we ever had a President, or dog catcher for that matter, this hostile towards private business?

If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.

It is absolutely mind boggling how out of touch this President is. In his auto biography “Dreams of my Father”, Obama wrote that his short foray into the private sector made him feel that he was “a spy behind enemy lines”, revealing once again how much disdain he has for private markets, which is completely anti American. I would expect this from some tin horn despot, but not from the President of the United States. We can do much, much better and let’s make sure we do this November.

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101 thoughts on “What??

  1. Ms Miller July 16, 2012 / 12:14 pm

    America is softened up by everything the dictator Obama does. Its not for the common good as Clinton, Pelosi, Big Sis and the other socialist or Commies think. Nope it is for the benefit of his Muslim brothers and sisters so they may complete their jihad. Our own people were used as patsies duped and done. They will never be the elite control freaks they aspired to be.

    • mitchethekid July 16, 2012 / 5:16 pm

      Your insane.

      • Amazona July 17, 2012 / 3:09 pm

        Maybe explaining the “turbot effect” will straighten her out.

        Aren’t you the guy who once accused a poster of having “turret syndrome”?

  2. bloodypenquinstump July 16, 2012 / 12:31 pm

    By definition you cannot build a business without other people. All the rich in our society got that way with the help of society, fact.

    • Retired Spook July 16, 2012 / 12:43 pm

      Stumpy,

      You’re just simply wrong, and you have a faulty grasp of capitalism. If anything, it’s the other way around, and my own business is proof. I started my company 21 years ago. I don’t have any employees, and don’t want any. Every bit of business I’ve done, I’ve done on my own. No one has ever come to me and said, “I understand you need my help to succeed.” No one has ever come to me and said, “I will help you succeed by buying something from you.” The vast majority of successful people have become successful by coming up with an idea for a product or service that will improve the lives of others.

      • Count d'Haricots July 16, 2012 / 1:02 pm

        Or by getting an education, working hard, passing a State qualifying exam, working even harder, get your credentials, provide a service better than the other guy, and … hard work, long hours little reward for years until viola you’re an overnight success and moochers and takers like p-stump and Obama are entitled to the fruits of your labor because you won at life’s lottery.

      • dbschmidt July 16, 2012 / 4:35 pm

        See, and I was thinking off all them people that “helped me” start my two business from my garage. You know the CPA I had to pay along with a battery of attorneys to survive the red tape from the government. The loans I had to repay with interest when I wanted to expand into a real building which I also had to pay the lease on. The business lines, electrical lines, and all of the additional equipment to keep the regulators and tax Nazis at bay.

        Or maybe the venture capitalist that owned 35% of my venture until I bought them out because the banks would no longer loan to small business because of the government. You know~just like all of taxes we still pay for roads and infrastructure that disappear down a rat hole–they are government and here to help you. But I so glad and appreciative of all them folks that had to pay in order to start and manage my businesses all by myself.

        The State lotteries (years ago in Florida and now in North Carolina) that replace tax dollars rather than supplement them for education. Another big lie brought to from them government folks just helping everyone. Sure, I am so glad I had all of them folks there to help me out–more like help themselves.

      • bozo July 17, 2012 / 2:52 pm

        “getting an education” – that is awesome! So you stalked a mighty education, all by yourself, through the woods and across the deserts, until you finally caught it, beat it to a pulp and swallowed it’s brains, thus emerging into adulthood with all the knowledge required to succeed at business. And all by yourself.

        Foolish me. I relied on socialist public school for an education, socialist police to keep me safe from gangs and pedophiles, and socialist firemen to keep my entire city from burning down just as I was getting to algebra, not to mention socialist roads to get to school and back.

        Guess that’s why I’m not nearly as awesome as you.

      • Amazona July 17, 2012 / 3:15 pm

        Well, bozo, you probably had the same access to approximately the same education that we had, yet you still don’t know what a “socialist” is, you still can’t see through demagoguery and propaganda, you are still a victim of the Rogue Apostrophe, and you still can’t figure out why, with equal opportunity, you are not as “awesome” as pretty much everybody else.

        You show us your true self. You show it through your political ignorance, you show it through your bigotry, you show it with your choice of how you see yourself (your avatar), you show it with the name you think describes you. And you are quite right—it is not “awesome” at all.

        Unless you borrow rico’s special dictionary, where you might find “awesome” redefined as “vitriolic dupe”.

  3. bloodypenquinstump July 16, 2012 / 1:47 pm

    So without other people you would still have a business? That is pretty unbelievable.

    • Retired Spook July 16, 2012 / 1:57 pm

      Stumpy,

      Now you’re moving the goal posts. Do you practice to become that dense, or does it come naturally? In your original comment you said: “All the rich in our society got that way with the help of society, fact.” I would submit that that IS NOT A FACT. I’m successful by helping other people, not the other way around. In all fairness, I guess it does depend on how you define “help”, and I do think that Conservatives and Liberals define “help” differently. Liberals generally believe helping others means making as many people as possible dependent on government (ie. recruiting ads for food stamps), while Conservatives generally look at helping others as striving to get as many as possible OFF government assistance. The original premise (and one you subscribed to in your first comment) is that no one can succeed without society’s help — not mere existence, but help.

    • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 2:33 pm

      count

      Or by getting an education, working hard, passing a State qualifying exam, working even harder, get your credentials, provide a service better than the other guy, and … hard work, long hours little reward for years until viola you’re an overnight success and moochers and takers like p-stump and Obama are entitled to the fruits of your labor because you won at life’s lottery.

      AMEN!!!!!

  4. bloodypenquinstump July 16, 2012 / 1:59 pm

    Way to cut off the quote to make it sound like it means something it doesn’t. Here is the full quote, “‘Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business – you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Really just a statement of reality. So remember reality is not to be trusted, I bet it is some kind of conspiracy, like birf certifacats or climate science.

    • Ryan Murphy July 16, 2012 / 5:21 pm

      WHose taxes do you think paid for the roads and bridges …? Usually taxes paid by … THE BUSINESS OWNER!!!!!!

  5. bloodypenquinstump July 16, 2012 / 2:02 pm

    Even better is a little more context wherein your post looks even dishonest.

    Full quote: If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    • Count d'Haricots July 16, 2012 / 2:15 pm

      Wrong, those things (roads, bridges, and internet) allow commerce to operate more efficiently; success depends on the hard work and creativity of the entrepreneur ~ this was the case long before those things existed and will continue no matter what else is added or deleted from the equation.

      And that is something failures like p-stump and Obama can never understand. They look for excuses as to why they cannot achieve like the rest of us who worked for our successes.

      • Count d'Haricots July 16, 2012 / 2:21 pm

        HA!

        “This is such a crock.

        This is a bunch of meaningless people (who know that their lives don’t account for anything) trying to matter, and coming up with this ridiculous philosophy that says, “Successful people have not done it on their own. Successful people only exist because of the nameless, faceless, real, true hard workers.” You know, before Marx there was no such thing as class-driven economics. If that guy had been aborted, we’d have a whole different world today.”

        El Rushbo.

    • Retired Spook July 16, 2012 / 2:44 pm

      Somebody invested in roads and bridges.

      They did; but which came first? Did someone go around building roads and bridges so that some entrepreneur could invent the car? Did someone say, “gee, we have cars, but now we need to help car manufacturers be successful by building roads and bridges.” I don’t think so.

    • tiredoflibbs July 16, 2012 / 3:44 pm

      “Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

      Wow, stumpy, you and the obAMATEUR show your ignorance as to the origins and purpose of the Internet. But hey, whatever is necessary to make the obAMATEUR sound intelligent and drive the belief that people are successful only because of government!

      Way to go mindless drone!

    • Ryan Murphy July 16, 2012 / 5:22 pm

      WHose taxes paid for the roads? WHose taxes paid for the bridges? Whose taxes pay for the military researchers that created the infrastructure which private citizens turned into the internet?

  6. Amazona July 16, 2012 / 2:48 pm

    I think the twisted, distorted view of stumpy and his ilk is that, gee, Spook, you couldn’t ship your product without roads and vehicles and airplanes, etc. so to claim you built your own business is just bogus.

    Yet everyone has access to the same transportation systems, the same bridges, the same financial systems, for the most part to the same schools. The same potential markets are out there, to be seen by anyone. The same ideas are out there, to be recognized and organized in new ways to meet the same needs anyone could identify. But only a few manage to connect the dots, tie it all together, and make a successful business.

    Businesses were failing long before Bain Capital came along, long before Mitt Romney said “You know, if I do this and that, if I devote more than a hundred hours a week and risk everything I own and dedicate my whole life to figuring out how to save some of them and make them profitable I can also make some pretty decent money for myself”.

    The circumstances were there all along. The same patterns of mismanagement, the same lack of capital to be able to hang on till a business could get established, the same miscalculations and errors that had caused businesses to go under. Anyone could have looked at this as an opportunity. But who did? Who had not only the vision but the courage to risk everything and the skill to correct the mismanagement, to make better calculations, the energy to keep at it till it worked?

    How many million people in this country had the same opportunity to identify this need and the same skills and courage to try to meet it?

    Damned few, and Mitt was one.

    And the hive people, the collectivists who resent individual ambition and initiative, who never aspire to emulate the success of those who produce and are compensated for it, strive only to drag the successful down to their level, and try to diminish the determination and skill and intelligence and drive and courage it takes to succeed.

    Well, history is full of successful people who made things work. No roads to get goods to market? That is an opportunity, a need to be met, and here comes a road-builder to meet it. Ah, but he gets no credit for identifying and meeting a need, because he didn’t invent dirt.

    Yes, society is an interaction among people, and when it works each element adds to and enriches and enables the others. But when all have the ability to see what needs to be done and only a few actually DO, credit has to be given because it is deserved.

    I remember reading about a woman who invented little snap-in flowers and bugs and so on, to snap into the holes in Crocs to decorate them. She made millions, eventually selling her idea to Crocs. How many people saw and wore Crocs and even thought of how cute it would be to decorate them? But only one did anything about it, and the surly resenters like stumpy would just grump and grouse that after all this woman could not have done it if someone had not first come up with Crocs so she should get no credit at all, much less all that money.

    stumpy could never see failing businesses, try on his own to analyze why they were failing, see the management mistakes they were making, devise new ways of financing them, revise their business models into more successful ones, dedicate time and energy to applying his ideas, and risk whatever he has because of faith in his ideas. But he sure is good at trying to tear down those who can. And do.

    • Count d'Haricots July 16, 2012 / 4:34 pm

      Amazona,

      I think Obama’s strategy to hold Romney responsible for actions Bain taken long after he left makes sense; after all Bush is responsible for the actions Obama has taken long after Bush left the White House.

  7. Amazona July 16, 2012 / 3:01 pm

    This quote that impresses stumpy so much? Let’s look at two elements in it.

    1. “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

    So if somebody starts a business because so many people like her cookies that she realizes she could sell them, and then so many people buy them she has to move into a real bakery, and then so many MORE people buy them she starts to market them in grocery stores, and so many MORE people buy them she sells stock in the company, just who built the business? Because millions of people make cookies every day, yet only one turned her skill into a business.

    2. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

    Aside from the lie that the internet was invented to make it possible for other people to make money, this sentence relies on the idea that “government” is not people, but a monolithic entity of its own. And it ignores the basic premise of business, which is to first identify a need and then try to meet it.

    PEOPLE who were employed by the government saw a need for a specific type of instantaneous communication, primarily for military use, and then when the need was identified they worked on meeting it.

    But gee, Barry, why stop there? There would have been no need for the internet without computers, which were invented and improved by PEOPLE to meet specific needs. Then other people said “Hey, we can use those machines for other things, too!”

    But we couldn’t have had computers without plastics, so we would have to go back to the petroleum industry, and inventors who said “What the hell can we do with all this gunk besides burn it?”

    But then we would have to go back to dinosaurs………

    You Lefties are so silly………

    • J. R. Babcock July 16, 2012 / 3:13 pm

      You Lefties are so silly………

      If all they were was “silly”, they could just be dismissed out of hand as irrelevant. Sadly, they’re much more dangerous than they are silly.

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 4:15 pm

        jr

        Sadly, they’re much more dangerous than they are silly.

        COMMUNISTS are VERY dangerous…..

  8. Cluster July 16, 2012 / 3:26 pm

    I wonder what Obama and Elizabeth Warren would have to say about all the people that took the risk and failed in business. What about them? If people become successful because of others, do they fail because of others? And if that is the case, shouldn’t we help off set their losses?

    • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 4:12 pm

      pstump

      I’ll tell you WHO DID NOT build the roads, bridges, schools or PAY for them………..
      the 47% looters and takers who pay NO federal income tax, the welfare queens, innercity plantation dwellers who DO NOT own property, have vehicles, pay gasoline, property, income taxes yet reap BILLIONS of OPM.

      The self professed DOPE head POS FELON (yes possessing coke, pot and distributing it is a FELONY) kenyan FOREIGN Moron AA never was doesnt have a clue what it takes to start or run a business.
      he should stick with back seat limo rides with larry sinclair and eating doge with michael vick.

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 4:14 pm

        doge = dogs

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 4:26 pm

        WoW

        Egyptians pelt Hillary Clinton motorcade with tomatoes…

        ‘Monica, Monica’ chants taunt…

        They throw shoes…

        maybe some of them arent so dumb after all…..LOL

    • Count d'Haricots July 16, 2012 / 4:31 pm

      …do they fail because of others?

      EXACTLY!

      It’s not p-stump’s fault he’s a failure; it’s someone else’s fault.

      Losers think this way. And Obama wants to sew up the Loser Vote.

  9. GMB July 16, 2012 / 4:28 pm

    Did owl bore finish the intertubes yet? Is it safe to sign on now?

  10. watsonredux July 16, 2012 / 4:43 pm

    bloodypenquinstump said, “Way to cut off the quote to make it sound like it means something it doesn’t. Here is the full quote, “‘Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business – you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Really just a statement of reality. So remember reality is not to be trusted, I bet it is some kind of conspiracy, like birf certifacats or climate science.”

    Actually, that’s still a partial quote. The full quote gives even more context. But that doesn’t matter to cluster. This is a favorite tactic of his, along with his B4V authors tiredoflibbs and Matt Margolis. Pretty soon tired will come by and complain that he’s just doing it because liberals did it first.

    As far as Spook’s contention, my guess is that he went to public schools for his primary education, but maybe not. He may have gone to a state university, but maybe not. Whatever it is that he sells may require some modicum of knowledge and intelligence on the part of his customers, the vast majority of whom were publicly educated. But maybe not.

    Existing infrastructure, like roads and stuff, probably helped make Spook’s business possible, but maybe not.

    He did not have to worry too much about his place of business being burglarized because there is probably law enforcement in his community. But maybe not.

    If a fire occurred, he could probably call the local fire department, which would respond quickly and prevent a total loss of Spook’s business. But maybe there is no fire department where he lives.

    It wouldn’t surprise me that he has used the US postal service a time or two in his business, but maybe not.

    From what we have learned of Spook in past posts, he retired from a government job with a taxpayer-funded pension. My guess is that relying on the taxpayers for a monthly check was a big help in putting him in a position to pursue his own business, but maybe not.

    Spook probably doesn’t worry too much that the food he eats is going to poison him and put him out of business because we have food inspectors and stuff. But maybe he grows his own.

    If a customer of Spook’s stiffs him for payment or commits fraud against his business, Spook can take him to court and pursue legal remedies.

    Spook does not have to worry about being bankrupted by medical expenses if he his hit by a drunk driver tonight because such expenses would be paid for by the public.

    But you know, this is all collectivist, statist talk. The defining hallmark of being an American these days is selfishness.

    • Cluster July 16, 2012 / 4:55 pm

      watson,

      Thank you once again for cementing your status as one the most ignorant liberals I have ever been acquainted with.

      Everything you mentioned as being the reason for success for Spook’s business, was partially paid for by Spook, and in fact Spook probably contributed more to the completion of that infrastructure than most people did, so shouldn’t he get to use it more than others? What about the 47% who pay no income taxes? Should they be allowed to use the roads?

      Now going back to Amazona’s point – everyone had pretty much the same public education, and everyone had the opportunity to conceive, originate, and start up the business that Spook started – he just did it first and worked his ass of to make it a success. So please tell me how you contributed to that success? I would like to know.

      I finally just can’t believe the level of discourse we are having – this is what children talk about and by stating this, Obama has exposed himself as not only the most incompetent president we have ever had, but now he can be labeled as the dumbest son of a bitch ever to be president. He is worthless and has no concept of what free enterprise is. It’s embarrassing.

      • Count d'Haricots July 16, 2012 / 5:03 pm

        Ah! Yet another failure chimes in …

        This is why waddy and p-stump insist on everyone winning a “Participant Award.; success is just dumb luck.

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 5:04 pm

        I agree

        ‘This Man Hates This Country’: Limbaugh Excoriates Obama for Telling Business Owners ‘You Didn’t Build That’

        “This is what we have as a president: a radical ideologue, ruthless politician who despises the country and the way it was founded and the way in which it became great.”

        and a marxist, muslim, usurper, doper.

      • watsonredux July 16, 2012 / 5:25 pm

        Cluster, you started this silly thread with your deceptiveness by cheery-picking quotes. It is your dishonesty that created the unbelievable level of discourse in the first place. Next time, try harder, if you have it in you.

        The question is not, did Spook partially pay for all of the infrastructure that he benefits from? The point is that he does benefit from it, directly and indirectly. And without it, he would probably not have the business that he has.

        Now, is he mostly responsible for his own success? Of course. But to act like it all happened in a vacuum is just stupidity or dishonesty–in your case probably both.

      • Count d'Haricots July 16, 2012 / 5:44 pm

        Spook would still be successful and you’ll still be an envious loser blaming your failures on everyone else.

      • Cluster July 16, 2012 / 6:08 pm

        Watson,

        I didn’t cherry pick anything – you’re just upset because the messiah you worship said something so completely stupid that even you are having trouble defending it.

        Using your logic, should we allow those who pay no income tax to use the roads? Should they benefit from that if they don’t pay for it? And without private commerce, where would the government get the money to build those roads? Business came before infrastructure, so the infrastructure owes it’s existence to private entrepreneurs. Without the brilliance of Henry Ford, we wouldn’t even need roads, so let’s keep things in proper perspective shall we moron?

      • Retired Spook July 16, 2012 / 6:21 pm

        And without it, he would probably not have the business that he has.

        What you don’t seem to grasp, Watson, is that without people like me, none of that infrastructure would exist.

      • Amazona July 16, 2012 / 6:41 pm

        I will point out that Spook did this AFTER serving his country for about 20 years (did I get that right, Spook—retired and all?) when he worked for US, day in and day out, and did not have the chance to start working for himself until later in his life.

        (For which service I belatedly thank you.)

      • tiredoflibbs July 16, 2012 / 9:12 pm

        watty and stumpy, sounds like a cartoon of morons – Bevis & Butthead!

        Wow, you two drones cannot fathom that a road, bridge, the internet or any piece of infrastructure does not create a need for a product or service that an business provides and convinces you to purchase said product or service. The business man has the means, develops the ability and convinces you to purchase his product or service – and not some government agency (unless you provide health care).

        I know one thing – watty is happy obAMATEUR said something so stupid that it takes the pressure off of him!!!!

      • tiredoflibbs July 16, 2012 / 9:26 pm

        “Cluster, you started this silly thread with your deceptiveness by cheery-picking quotes.”

        Cheery-picking? Do you know what proof-reading is?

        uh, watty, obAMATEUR said it – FACT. No matter how you try to spin it, obAMATEUR said the businessman is not responsible for his success. He continues with his theme – America is great not because of liberty and capitalism but because of government!!!

        Of course, if you were not a mindless drone, you could understand that simple statement by obAMATEUR when he briefly worked for the private sector – he said he was “behind enemy lines”. Instead you are a starry-eyed little groupy with “YES WE CAN”, “HOPE AND CHANGE” and now “FORWARD!!!”.

        Pathetic.

    • GMB July 16, 2012 / 4:58 pm

      “The defining hallmark of being an American these days is selfishness.”

      I’ll remember that the next time the tax man comes around. Wonder what would happen to my property if I failed to pony up for all those services you mentioned.

      Make you an agreement here. You quit forcing me to pay for those services and I will quit using them.
      Deal?

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 5:06 pm

        GMB

        only PROPERTY OWNERS pay for the schools, fire and police…..renters and section 8 do not.

        the roads are paid for at the PUMP by car owners through gasoline taxes, not by bus and bike riding drones.

      • watsonredux July 16, 2012 / 5:27 pm

        I don’t force you to pay anything, GMB. If you prefer, just don’t pay and accept the consequences. But don’t sit here and tell us that you benefit not at all from any taxpayer subsidized activities and infrastructure. Even cluster knows that’s a lie.

      • GMB July 16, 2012 / 5:44 pm

        I am paying for those service yet I owe credit for the success of my small business to those I am paying taxes to?

        Strange world you live in there watson.

      • watsonredux July 16, 2012 / 5:53 pm

        GMB, you can continue to play your childish games as long as you like. It still does not change the fact that you benefit directly and indirectly by infrastructure and other services that are paid for collectively by all of us, for the benefit of all of us, including you.

      • GMB July 16, 2012 / 6:04 pm

        Childish games. Lol. That kind of thing is for folks like you. If I am paying for something I owe nothing to your collective.

        I owe absolutely nothing to you or anyone like you for my success. I worked for it. Nobody else. I and people like me will be success with or without all those services.

        We will find a way to accomplish. You and your kind will find a way to leech off us. You will find a way to make excuses for your failure.

      • watsonredux July 16, 2012 / 6:14 pm

        Oh yeah, I’m leaching off you, GMB. That’s truly your biggest fear, isn’t it? That someone, somewhere, could be leaching off of you.

      • Amazona July 16, 2012 / 6:32 pm

        Two gems from the wattle:


        But don’t sit here and tell us that you benefit not at all from any taxpayer subsidized activities and infrastructure.
        ******************************
        It still does not change the fact that you benefit directly and indirectly by infrastructure and other services that are paid for collectively by all of us, for the benefit of all of us…

        Got that? TAXPAYER money. But to the wattles, taxpayer money is really government money.

        And he just ignores what he doesn’t understand, such as the reality that business happens when people see a niche that needs to be filled, and then come up with a way to fill it.

        Businesses were started in times and places that did not have roads or bridges or computers or the internet or phones or even indoor plumbing. While most people were wading across a ford at the river, someone went across, tied off a big rope, set up a pulley system, made a raft, and started a ferry business.

        Before taxation, you could find one man who was a better farmer than the others, who was more productive and more successful, or a woman whose cheese and butter were so good people preferred to buy from her instead of making their own. How far back would the RRL have to go to find a way to claim that these businesses were not built by the individuals, but only existed because God made cows?

        What I don’t get is the passion the Left and the Pseudo Left have for being so dismissive of business success. It is so petty and so stupid. Some people are good at business, some are not. Some have the vision, skill and drive to make it in business, some are better at being employees than bosses. Most of us understand this and are fine with it.

        But for some reason there is this little knot of people who are so intimidated by success, so resentful of productivity and reward, so determined to diminish everyone to bring them down to their level, that they freak out about the idea of giving credit where credit is due. I think it might go back to comments I have made about the difference between seeing success as inspiration and motivation to rise to that level or beyond, vs the surly resenters who just try to drag the successful down to their own level.

        There are just people like that. There will always be the guy who sees the gorgeous Jag convertible and thinks “If I go back and finish my degree and apply for that promotion, I could have a car like that” and the other guy who just drags his key through the paint.

      • Amazona July 16, 2012 / 6:37 pm

        The wattle’s latest post, above, brings up something else I have noticed about the rabid Pseudo Left—their obsession with attributing strong negative emotions to people who don’t exhibit such feelings.

        Now the wattle is claiming that someone lives in fear of moochers. ????

        Sorry, wattle, but you guys are just incapable of generating much more than annoyance and the occasional eyeroll. Ankle biters who can’t do anything but yip and yap and snarl at whatever anyone else says are hardly the stuff of fear-making, or any strong reaction.

        I think the strongest reaction I have ever had to any of you is contempt.

      • GMB July 16, 2012 / 6:47 pm

        “Oh yeah, I’m leaching off you, GMB. That’s truly your biggest fear, isn’t it? That someone, somewhere, could be leaching off of you.”

        Nice try at redirection there watson. How about this. Go bake your own pies and catch your own fish. You will feel much better about accomplishing something on your own.

        You won’t need to worry about other people paying their fair share while you are busy earning a living for a change.

      • Amazona July 16, 2012 / 6:50 pm

        “But don’t sit here and tell us that you benefit not at all from any taxpayer subsidized activities and infrastructure. ”

        No one has said that. It’s always fun to see when the PL trolls start to lose it—-they start defending against things that were not said. They have to—–they sure can’t defend against what was.

        Ever watch horse racing? When you see a horse’s head bob, you know that in a stride or two he will pull up lame. The PL flailing against what no one has said is the PL equivalent of an equine head bob, signaling lameness, or in the case of such as the wattle, increased lameness on the intellectual level.

        Hard to imagine, I know, but there it is.

      • tiredoflibbs July 16, 2012 / 9:21 pm

        “The defining hallmark of being an American these days is selfishness.”

        Wow, watty regurgitates that dumbed down talking point right on CUE!!!

        He surely has demonstrated that he doesn’t know squat about capitalism, just like his hero and mentor the obAMATEUR!

        I especially like this little gem: “I don’t force you to pay anything, GMB.”

        No you don’t, the government does with the threat of incarceration and confiscation if you don’t!!!

        That is another thing, businessmen take all the risks, but government benefits more from a business than the business does. Look at “BIG OIL”, the government makes more in taxes on a gallon of gas than the oil company does! – Yet, according to the looters, moochers and drones – they are the greedy ones!!

        Keep regurgitating those dumbed down talking points watty, you continue to reveal what a sponge you are to society!!!

      • tiredoflibbs July 16, 2012 / 9:28 pm

        watty’s intelligence: “That someone, somewhere, could be leaching off of you.”

        Could be?

        As Pelosi would say “Are you serious?”

    • Ryan Murphy July 16, 2012 / 5:26 pm

      And whose taxes, might I ask, paid for all of those protections and the like. . and whose didn’t?

    • Amazona July 16, 2012 / 6:44 pm

      Oh, I see! Spook’s a success because his town has a fire department!

      Or does his town have a fire department because people like Spook pay for one?

      Ditto for schools, police, etc.

      No business, no taxes. No taxes, no services.

    • Amazona July 16, 2012 / 6:46 pm

      “The defining hallmark of being an American these days is selfishness…….” is what the wattle gets from looking in the mirror.

      I wonder what HE does for this nation, or for anyone in it.

      • GMB July 16, 2012 / 7:04 pm

        He cheers and say they deserve it when putt and mooch take a mufti-million dollar vacation on the tax payer dime.

        Other than that, I got nothing.

    • Amazona July 16, 2012 / 7:03 pm

      The wattle seems quite proud of all the benefits Spook receives from living in the United States. Sure, he put in 20 years or so SERVING the United States, but all the wattle can whine about is whatever pension he gets afterward. How many years did you serve your country, wattle? Is this what you meant when you complained that Americans are defined by selfishness—-sitting on your ass while other people protected you?

      He goes on and on—-public schools, state university, existing infrastructure (like roads and stuff) law enforcement in his community, the local fire department, the US postal service, food inspectors, the legal system and courts.

      But what he neglects to say is that millions—–MILLIONS—-of people have exactly the same benefits, the same advantages, and either don’t work at all or work for others, instead of starting and running a successful business. So what is the difference?

      wattle, you have the same benefits. Do you have your own business? Or do you work for someone else? Or not at all?

      I think this is my favorite: “Spook does not have to worry about being bankrupted by medical expenses if he his hit by a drunk driver tonight because such expenses would be paid for by the public.”

      THE PUBLIC !!!

      No, wattle, not THE PUBLIC. Nearly half of all the adults in this nation would not have put in one penny toward providing care for Spook or anyone else, and another quarter or so pay so little overall that their contributions are minimal. No, if for some reason Spook did receive any taxpayer funds, it would be from people just like him.

      And me.

      • GMB July 16, 2012 / 7:30 pm

        Yeah watson, it was pure selfishness on my part when I signed that first pink contract at the MEPS Staion in Chicago back in 83.

        In exchange for 680 bucks a month, the federal government owned my life. Well, at least I avoided both klintoon and barky.

        Hate to think about buying my farm on some worthless meals on wheels mission you collectivists are so fond of.

      • dbschmidt July 16, 2012 / 10:32 pm

        What is a Veteran? A “Veteran”–whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve–is someone who at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to “The United States of America,” for an amount of “up to, and including their life.” And you have done what?

  11. Cluster July 16, 2012 / 4:59 pm

    In fact, couldn’t this statement from Obama be construed as plagiarism? After all, it was that famous Native American Elizabeth Warren who first made this idiotic statement. You know Elizabeth – that squaw who has lived off tax payer money her entire life.

    • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 5:07 pm

      ROTFLMAO

      or the Mooch who had a 300K AA “job” about nothing.

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 5:11 pm

        waspstooge

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 6:04 pm

        Just Tear it Down!’: YouTube Video Warns Large Group of ‘Anarchists and Radicals’ Has Mobilized to Wreak Havoc at RNC

        time for 10,000 armed citizen vigilantes to keep Florida’s streets clean.

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 6:09 pm

        Ubamas civilian army

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 7:26 pm

        Have we ever had a President, or dog catcher for that matter, this hostile towards private business?

        We never had a president who ate dogs and was not qualified to be a dog catcher before.

  12. bloodypenquinstump July 16, 2012 / 7:39 pm

    “Top 10 Percent of Earners Paid 71 Percent of Federal Income Taxes”

    Claim: The top 10 percent wealthiest Americans pay 70 percent of federal income taxes.

    Fact: This statistic presents a deeply misleading picture of the actual federal tax burden because (1) it fails to include payroll taxes, which every worker pays, and which fall disproportionately on the middle class, and (2) because it doesn’t reflect that high-income Americans earn a disproportionate share of income.

    Payroll taxes account for 34 percent of federal revenues. They only apply to income earned on the job – not income from capital gains on investments, which make up a much greater share of the income of the top 10 percent. And payroll taxes for Social Security are capped at $106,800.
    For both of these reasons, wealthier Americans face a disproportionately lower burden from payroll taxes. According to the independent, non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, the wealthiest 10 percent only pay 25 percent of all payroll taxes.
    Counting both payroll and income taxes, the top 10 percent only pay about 50 percent of that tax burden – not much larger than their share of our nation’s income (around 42 percent).

    • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 7:42 pm

      BS

      those payroll taxes are RETURNED 100% with up to several thousand dollars of “Earned” income credit which means that did they pay NO income tax,but they got a pile of FREE OPM…….schweetttttt

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 7:46 pm

        From other IRS data, we can see that in 2009, around 59 million tax returns were filed with either positive or negative AGI that used exemptions, deductions and tax credits to completely wipe out their federal income tax liability.

        Not only did they get back every dollar that the federal government withheld from their paychecks during 2009, but some even received more money back from the IRS. This is a result of refundable tax credits like the earned income tax credit (EITC), the refundable portion of which is not included in the aggregate percentile data

    • Count d'Haricots July 16, 2012 / 7:46 pm

      “Top 10 Percent of Earners Paid 71 Percent of Federal Income Taxes”

      Fact: Payroll taxes are not Income Taxes.

      Fact: Payroll Taxes are dedicated Taxes; Social Security, Medicare etc. Not General Fund Taxes.

      Fact: Payroll Taxes top out at a Percentage whereby the payee can never recoup their investment.

      Fact: Libiots lie when parsing statistics simply because it is over their tiny heads.

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 7:48 pm

        count

        facts ? libs don needs noooo steenking facts.

    • Cluster July 16, 2012 / 8:36 pm

      Bloody,

      Payroll taxes, ie: social security, medicaid, etc, are not general fund revenues. They are specific and are matched by the employer, in fact employer contributions currently are greater than those contributions of the employees. Now I don’t disagree that these funds should be out of the hands of congress but they are not, they are mixed in with general funds and spent – just like everything else is.

      Look, paying for and maintaining an excellent infrastructure is not the issue here. Everyone agrees with that. What I find objectionable is the complete distortion of private enterprise and governments role with respect to each other. Private enterprise drives the government and hence the infrastructure – not the other way around. The governments role is too simply collect money FROM private enterprise, hire other private enterprises to execute the job, and to bring the project in on time and on budget. They don’t do that very well.

    • tiredoflibbs July 16, 2012 / 9:41 pm

      There goes stumpy with the dumbed down talking points!!!

      My colleagues responded so well to your mindless regurgitations that it was my job to point out your first of many mistakes!

      Try again drone.

  13. bloodypenquinstump July 16, 2012 / 7:49 pm

    Saw this elsewhere it made me LOL, since Romney is hiding behind Teresa’s skirt.

    “Teresa Heinz Kerry : Takes farms full of tomatoes, crushes them, and makes ketchup.

    Willard ‘Mitt’ Romney : Takes companies full of people, crushes them, and makes money.”

    • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 7:58 pm

      like Staples?

      Next BS story?

      Ps Poor P Pumb

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 8:01 pm

        how about

        “Teresa Heinz Kerry : Takes farms full of tomatoes picked by migrant workers for $.50,hr, crushes them, and makes ketchup, then sells it for BILLIONS to pay for her fake, fraud, giggelo husbands yacht he dodged taxes on….yeah a great donk eh?

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 8:09 pm

        bPpump

        Hmmmmmm

      • GMB July 16, 2012 / 8:11 pm

        Rats you beat me to it there Neo. 🙂 You see stump, even J effn K doesn’t want to pay his fair share.

        Off with the Ron Popiel spray on toupee already!!!

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 8:17 pm

        bPpump

        Among Bain Capital’s investments under Romney, the large job creators are clearly Staples and Sports Authority. Both of these were small, young companies when Bain Capital invested in them. Bain invested in Staples when it had only one store, so there were likely fewer than 200 employees at the time. Bain appears to have invested in the Sports Authority when it had fewer than ten stores. Unfortunately, there are no public data to say how many people were employed at that time. At the end of 1998, Staples had more than 42,000 employees, Sports Authority had almost 14,000, Gartner Group had almost 3,000, and Steel Dynamics had over 500. So at the beginning of 1999, when Romney left Bain Capital, these four companies alone employed almost 60,000 total employees. While some of the job growth at Sports Authority came from acquisitions, there is no doubt that these four companies created tens of thousands of jobs over the period.

        Fast forward to today. By the end of 2011, Staples had about 89,000 employees. Sports Authority is now a private company. The last time it reported employee numbers, in 2006, it had 14,300 employees. In addition, Gartner Group had over 4,400 and Steel Dynamics had over 6,000 employees. Using the most recently available data, these four companies alone employed almost 125,000 total employees.

        Bain Capital also successfully turned around several existing businesses during Romney’s tenure. For example, Bain Capital bought Wesley Jessen Vision Care for $6 million in 1994. It had been a division of Schering Plough and was not profitable. Bain Capital and a new CEO turned it around and sold it to Ciba Geigy for over $300 million in 2001. When it was sold, it appears to have had 2,600 employees. Today, the company is part of Ciba Vision.

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 8:28 pm

        ‘And what do you know?’: Business leaders hit back at Obama after he says the wealthy…
        dailymail ^ | 7 16 12

        America’s leading small business association has slammed Barack Obama for showing ‘an utter lack of understanding’ of the country’s entrepreneurs when he told them: ‘If you’ve got a business – you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.’

        In a hard-hitting statement to Mail Online, the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB) president Dan Danne said: ‘What a disappointment to hear President Obama’s revealing comments challenging the significance of America’s entrepreneurs.

        Mr Danne added: ‘His unfortunate remarks over the weekend show an utter lack of understanding and appreciation for the people who take a huge personal risk and work endless hours to start a business and create jobs.’

    • Amazona July 16, 2012 / 8:25 pm

      Of course it made stumpy LOL–it is just his speed. I wonder if there is a bumper sticker than shows how TerAYsa Heinz Kerry “earned” (ahem!) her fortune and the business that so impressed stumpy.

      Or how John F’n Kerry “earned” whatever part of it she doles out to him. That one is easy. He threw his wife of 17 years under the bus. Didn’t just divorce her, you understand, but claimed the marriage (sanctified in a huge Catholic Mass) had never been valid, and used his Kennedy connections to get the Catholic Church to ANNUL the marriage so TerAYsa could say she had not married a divorced man.

      Made his daughters bastids, as I understand it, as he was, amazingly, never married at all. Nice way to treat your family, but then he had to “earn” his money.

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 8:29 pm

        but then he had to “earn” his money.

        and his band aid “medals”

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 8:34 pm

        rut ro

        ‘Indisputable proof’ of Obama forgery to be released
        | July 16, 2012

        Live-streamed event features latest revelations of Sheriff Joe’s Posse

        At a news conference Tuesday in Phoenix that will be live-streamed by WND, Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his Cold Case Posse will present “indisputable proof” the Obama birth document released by the White House is a forgery, according to the posse’s lead investigator.

        Mike Zullo said the new information was developed during an investigative trip to Hawaii in May.

        The press conference will be held Tuesday at 5:30 p.m. Eastern Time at the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. [Local time will be 2:30 p.m., as Arizona does not observe Daylight Saving Time].

        -snip-

        Three weeks after the March 1 press conference, Arpaio said there would be “tons” more potentially shocking information on Obama in connection with his probe into the president’s eligibility.

      • GMB July 16, 2012 / 8:36 pm

        I understand that to this day, j effn k’s butler is forbidden to bring hard boiled eggs with the shell on them into his presence.

        Nam flashbacks.

        INCOMING!!!

      • neocon1 July 16, 2012 / 8:40 pm

        GMB

        yup, a deserter after only 3 months on a boat.
        Then returned home to become a traitor and was DD

      • Amazona July 16, 2012 / 10:44 pm

        neo, have you heard TerAYsa’s voice?

        Believe me, John has EARNED that yacht.

  14. bagni July 16, 2012 / 10:51 pm

    hey
    clust
    love the obligatory edit on the obamster’s original quote/statement
    then you guys get all juiced up on it
    mmm….chum in water…..yummy
    ::))

    • neocon1 July 17, 2012 / 2:52 am

      nanu nanu dork

      actually it wasnt Ubamas statement, he (like everything else) stole it from a senate candidates speech.

      chum in the water? and a sucker (fish) you, shows up.

    • Cluster July 17, 2012 / 8:44 am

      Hey bags, the link to the entire article was there for everyone to read. And it doesn’t get any better for Obama. You might want to read it.

  15. Retired Spook July 17, 2012 / 12:44 pm

    The one thing left out of this entire thread is, just who were Obama’s comments aimed at? There’s mounting evidence that, while these comments may cement his support among his looter/taker base, they are likely to turn off a lot of undecided Independents. Perhaps one of our resident Lefties could comment on that.

  16. Retired Spook July 18, 2012 / 8:39 am

    Just got an email from a financial guru friend who is helping me with some of the details of settling my mom’s estate, letting me know he will be a few minutes late for our meeting today. He ended with this:

    Also, I just figured out how I was able to build a successful business over the last 10 years. Wheeew. Sure glad the government was there when times were tough.

    Obama’s comments have really launched a firestorm in the business community. Of course we wont know until November, but this last bit of idiocy may well have cost him the election.

    • Amazona July 18, 2012 / 9:27 am

      Spook, I am thinking this election is not ours to win, but ours to lose.

      That is, given the death spiral of Obamaism, its multiple dramatic failures, the blatant efforts of Obama to turn Americans against each other instead of working together as one nation, and his increasing desperation as he lurches from one formerly supporting group to another trying to lock IT in while alienating the others, I think all we have to do is not screw up and let the downward momentum of him and his agendas do our work for us.

  17. tiredoflibbs July 18, 2012 / 11:13 am

    obAMATEUR was speaking OFF teleprompter. Therefore, his handlers and speech writers could not control what he said. We know, from experience, that when he is off teleprompter he is a babbling idiot. he has reaffirmed this once again. He spoke from the heart, in which, he showed us what he thought of capitalism and the bourgeoisie.

    then we watch the MSM, his handlers, his stooges, looters and mindless drones rush into DAMAGE CONTROL, as we have seen here, and regurgitate the “infrastructure” talking points without question!

    pathetic.

  18. watsonredux July 18, 2012 / 4:05 pm

    NeoClown said, “‘Indisputable proof’ of Obama forgery to be released.” So where is this indisputable proof, Clown?! We want to know. The Sherrif said at his press conference, “My investigators believe that the long-form birth certificate was manufactured electronically and that it did not originate in a paper format as claimed by the White House.” Believe? Wow. That is truly indisputable. And look out, that crafty Obama got “Bane” in the latest Batman movie! Indisputable proof that he is taking over the motion picture business!

    Spook said, “The one thing left out of this entire thread is, just who were Obama’s comments aimed at?” and asks “Perhaps one of our resident Lefties could comment on that.” As a resident independent, I find the absurd reaction by the far right more ridiculous than Obama’s comments were. Perhaps an answer to a different question, but I’ll leave it at that.

    Amazona said, “Sorry, wattle, but you guys are just incapable of generating much more than annoyance and the occasional eyeroll. Ankle biters who can’t do anything but yip and yap and snarl at whatever anyone else says are hardly the stuff of fear-making, or any strong reaction.” More name-calling from The High and Mighty Amazona. Funny. No one else resorted to name-calling but you. No matter how hard you pretend to be superior to the rest of us, you invariably revert to junior high school. It is sad that you have the mind of a child trapped in an adult body.

    Amazona also said, “Now the wattle is claiming that someone lives in fear of moochers. ????” No, I said that GMB lives in that someone, somewhere, is _leeching_ off of him. Leeching, Amazona. The word GBM himself used. If you’re going to paraphrase me, then don’t put words into my mouth.

    • Amazona July 19, 2012 / 5:35 pm

      Wattle, I rephrased your stupid comment because I know no one is “leaching” (sic) off anyone and instead of either correcting your abysmal spelling (clearly that socialist education didn’t teach you how to spell any better than it taught you how to think) or repeating your mistake I simply chose another way to say what you said.

      if you are going to insist that “living in fear of someone leeching off him” is so different from “living in fear of moochers” please make your argument.

      Otherwise, quit whining.

  19. Dave the Engineer July 19, 2012 / 9:50 am

    Hey Hollywood. Have you been envious of the rich movie stars that came out of Soviet Russia? Well they didn’t do that it was done by someone else.

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